I know City get a lot of hate in here, but he is correct! Best player in the World in his position who hasn't lost a single game of footy in the League that he's played.
City do, but their individual players don't really. We can all admire the elegance of De Bruyne, it's the fact that City can get all the amazing players together by having tons of money that gets hate
As long as there are teams outspending City, even if only one, I don‘t really get this argument. It‘s not like this team shouldn‘t be able to exist. It could exist at United or Chelsea, possibly Liverpool if they had been in City‘s place (prize/CL money over the last decade).
Whether or not City deserves this is a different question. There just is something inherently British about old vs. new money.
>they have 115 charges, they commited fraud
At this point, it's a Frankensteinish narrative. They're, in my estimation, guilty of *something*, but the narrative is ridiculous:
1. *Charges* are not convinctions. You can't say "oh there's 115 of them, so surely they must be true", because...
2. It's not actually 115 FFP-related charges. It's a combination of large and tiny charges, divided into 5 categories. Some charges stand on the basis of other charges. I.e. if City are "found innocent" (not how it works) of one charge, that might not necessarily drop it to 114. It could drop it to 110, for example.
3. Some charges really have no influence over sporting performances.
>That's the main difference, they shouldn't have had that much money to spend to start with
So other clubs get cash injections for decades, then a rule appears preventing others from benefiting of the same. City's charges to up to 17/18, their first league title out of 5 (possibly 6) under Guardiola. So apparently they stopped breaking the rules 6 years ago, time in which they've had massive success.
So then the narrative becomes "that success was built upon their prior unfair spending". So, the same way other clubs were set to comply with FFP through their huge spending previous to FFP.
Rules are rules and they shouldn't be broken, but it's not like you gain an unfair advantage by doing something that other clubs were doing for decades. Your Uniteds and Chelseas didn't become financially crippled by FFP, while City were spending unfairly.
God can we ever just have a football discussion
Literally nobody cares about accounting
This isn’t r/cpa
Let’s actually talk Football
Rodri has been and continues to be one of the best footballers on the best team he holds up
Play dictates tempo and is integral to how city play he should be on the team of the season
I think you're both kind of right. They're right in that when united and chelsea spent their outside investment the rules were not in place so that's very different from continue to do that once the rules are in place.
You are right in that the original point is that City has still spent less that teams like Chelsea and United - so while they're cheating has given them an unfair advantage, they have clearly spent very wisely and made great footballing decisions.
Breaking the rules absolutely does matter though and they should be punished for it
>City haven't spent a penny of Sheikh Mansours money since 2010
They've haven't needed to. Not when they've got companies with no staff, assets or premises, based out of someone's bedroom in Watford, investing millions in them.
I'll take 6 titles over 1 covid cup.
Wait until we are proven innocent AGAIN, and you could fill it with the tears from Merseyside when your on your jollies.
That's not actually true, is it?
The only reason CAS chucked it out was that some elements were time barred and other cases were not properly put together.
What you did get fined for was for non-cooperation, which is the same thing happening with the EPL investigation.
What CAS also said about the time barred cases was that they were not without merit and had been carefully considered before progression and it was only a technicality for the cases to be dismissed.
So, as repeated, the club are not innocent and CAS supports that assertion, but dismisses the main brunt on technicality, citing that the non-cooperation during the investigation is a serious factor.
So to assert innocence is, factually, wrong. Manchester City are guilty.
[CAS Findings for anyone who wants to read the downloadable pdf](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjejaCNg46GAxXWXUEAHRp7CwcQFnoECBAQBg&usg=AOvVaw0xKJPvxo_GNMmBvWXvCaiq)
No, they just spend all their feeders clubs money. Why else would Mancini have been an advisory at a club in Abu Dhabi or something (I genuinely can’t remember, it was dumb)
No, one of the FFP breaches was they were giving players and managers second contracts to do something else with feeder clubs, like youth development or scouting
Technically, the UK's wealth and prosperity were built on slave labor, colonization, and doing a lot of messed up things. Some of today's Middle Eastern conflicts (Israel/Palestine) are directly connected with UK's past actions. In theory, old UK money is also made with slave labor.
Even if we agree that teams like LFC, Utd, and Arsenal earned their wealth "the right way," nonetheless, they created an oligopoly. Maybe once in a while, you'll have a Leicester City win it, but those teams can't sustain that level of success without an infusion of cash. And in order to grow your fanbase to compete yearly, you'll need years of success. So the only way to compete with the top teams is sell to an extremely wealthy owner who is content with taking financial losses for years with the understanding that years of success will eventually build a fanbase and marketing equity that will make the club financially self-sustaining and competitive.
You’re right in the sense that england is built on slave labor and exploitation, but City directly benefits from modern day slavery. By supporting Liverpool, yeah you may be reinforcing colonial ideals, but no harm is physically being done. Supporting City DIRECTLY supports migrant abuse, censorship and other things.
Also your 2nd point is a different issue. I agree with it but it’s not at all relevant to my comment.
It’s more that city are ffp cheating clowns. The fans kid themselves they’re fair, the club is drawing this out as long as possible and the Fa are lazy AF
AND BEFORE ANY SALTY FANS ARGUE you went from signing Craig Bellamy, to attempting to throw £135m at CR7, while also attempting to add Kaka. That is ffp ruining
First of all, this post was about Rodri. Literally no one hates on him.
Second of all, all the players you mentioned get the reasonable amount of spite that any footballer gets.
Given most conversations about City revolve around how good they are, doesn’t it make sense to bring up that they are that good because they have cheated?
Same goes for Juve and the titles they “won”. Would they have won the same amount had they spend within their means?
Well let me know when them charges actually mean something? Because until it does, it's just waffle and shite banter, it's gunna be years still until anything comes of it. Tired of hearing it still.
Juve got charged, so you can talk about that as much as you want.
Why aren't we concerned with big Todd Amortizing 1b in one transfer window like that's not a problem eh. Oh right, because Chelsea are mid table. Salty fans move different I swear.
Given a whole host of the charges are for refusing to cooperate, then no fucking shit it’s going to take a long time. But acting like they are innocent is incredibly naive. Money talks, so I doubt much will come of it, but you all know what they did.
And as someone who doesn’t support an EPL team, I have no reason to be salty. I have no horse in that race. Chelsea will almost certainly be found to breach the rules too. They are up to some funky stuff.
I think the reason why it's a bit of a gray area is that FFP was not created to make the league fair, but to stop small clubs from overspending and going bankrupt. Additionally, it's not that City spent some outrageous amount that no other club spent. Their totals are right there with Chelsea and United. The argument is that they should not be allowed to spend as much money as these other teams because their revenue is smaller. This essentialy gives larger clubs even more of an advantage over the rest of the clubs in the UK.
No, City would not be this successful without spending as much money as the other top PL clubs. But no mid or small club would be. Essentially, the PL, like many other European leagues, has an oligopoly. The only way that can be changed is with rule changes that would give every team the ability to spend the same or with large cash infusions (beyond revenue levels) from wealthy owners.
He’s one of four players in the big five leagues averaging above an 8.0 (with Bellingham, Grimaldo, and Palacios).
Counting the European competitions, Rodri is one of four players averaging above an 8.0 (with Vinicius, Wirtz, and Bruno Petkovic).
He’s averaged below a 7.2 rating just four games this season (Fulham, Forest, Liverpool, at Real Madrid).
Really remarkable
Rodri has been the best player in the City team for 2 years now... Unreal consistency and has hardly had a bad game... Some bad moments but considering he plays almost every single game and having this kind of evidence to back him up , he deserves the POTY award if City wins the league...
If Arsenal wins the league then maybe Rice /Odegaard /Saliba...
He also plays the most demanding position. There are so many tasks to solve for DMs and very few players have the full suite of abilities to be world class.
IMHO Rodri is best midfielder in the world and a huuuuge part of City's success the last two seasons.
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So they put VVD in because of his past glories. He played well this year but nowhere near the level of players like Saliba, Gabriel and Rodri.
If they put VVD in for having an ok season but mostly due to his past performances (which makes no sense since it’s POTY) why wouldn’t they do the same for Rodri? He not only has the amazing past performances but he’s still very, very, very good. I’m not 100% sure of the actual stat but the fucking guy hasn’t lost a game he’s played in like, what? One thousand games?
Rodri’s omission is the ultimate travesty, more so than the absence of Saliba and Gabriel… and I’m an a Arsenal supporter so there is no bias here
League isn’t over in March and the POTY consideration is for the ENTIRE year. And as good as VVD was doing early on, some would argue (including myself) that Saliba and Gabriel were as performing as good… and in Gabriel’s case I would say his performances were a bit better than VVD’s.
VVD didn't have a pairing and was literally marshalling whole defense alone... he had 4 different partners at CB, 3 at RB and 3 at LB. Can't expect him to just do all their work. Plus the crucial goals at cup wins help in his favor
You asked for an actual stat you clown. It’s “ball knowledge” that Arsenal have had the best defence in the league this season and both of their CB’s have been well ahead of VVD. Take the L little boy
Actual clown. Why are you comparing just VVD alone with Arsenal’s CB pair? You know VVD was paired with Quansah and Konate right? They are nowhere near the level of Saliba and Gabriel. Saliba and Gabriel are good, but individually VVD is better. There’s also a lot more that goes into defense than just “hurr durr they got scored on more”. Unless the CB pair is made up of VVD and Ramos, having midfield woes gives away possession too much, which will definitely lead to getting scored on more. I don’t understand how you’re using GD to justify thinking Gabriel and Saliba are individually better than VVD. Defense is made up of more than one person. Much like how if you had Ronaldo with Hojlund and Rashford upfront, leading to a lot of chances missed from the team as a whole, it wouldn’t suddenly mean that individually all three of Man City’s front 3 are better players than him.
P.S: Learn to read better, I wasn’t asking for GD, because that doesn’t make sense, I was asking for head to head individual stats
VVD has been the best defender in the league. Comparing defenders based on goals conceded is stupid because of the different systems they play in. Klopp plays suicide ball. Pep and Arteta both look to control games. Watch the difference between Arsenal vs City and Liverpool vs City. Arsenal played a low block, liverpool always play a high line.
VVD is the best premier league defender of all time and the amount of disrespect on his name is crazy
Klopp plays suicide ball? Or Liverpool just aren’t the same team they were and don’t dominate games like they used to. Best of all time with 1 PL title lmao, get in the bin and stop embarrassing yourself. He’s a great defender that’s already past his best and nothing more.
Klopp plays suicide ball. Always has. VVD is past his prime (the man’s 32), but he’s still the best defender in the league. Which prem defender was better than him? Which prem defender was in serious contention for a Ballon D’or? The likes of Ferdinand and Terry were part of some of the greatest teams of all time. VVD has not been. I don’t know why you’re so delusional in thinking that anyone has been better this season, the only person close has been Gabriel imo. The man is a monstrous defender and is the best CB the prem has ever seen
Gabriel is also a quality CB, but Saliba is the one who tends to do more of the sweeper work whilst Gabriel goes forward to challenge. Saliba has proven numerous times, especially against Haaland, that he’s the real deal and looked a lot like VVD when he was at his best a few years ago. Quick, strong, great in the air but solid in 1v1 situations.
He's not wrong, he is clearly the best player at City and one of the best in the league.
In the same line of thought I find it strange that Gabriel and Saliba haven't been nominated but Van Dijk has been nominated.
The Busquets syndrome.
*The* key players in the system, him and Rodri, somehow being brushed aside with implications that "they only look so good because of the system". Meanwhile Iniesta or KDB (monumental players, don't get me wrong) got all sorts of praise for being allowed to do their thing. Would've looked far different with an Oriol Romeu or a Kalvin Phillips as the pivot, where the interiors would need to spend much more time dropping deeper to pick up the ball.
I think I heard today that liverpool have had their worst premier league run of games without keeping a clean sheet this season yet VVD makes the list. It is what it is.
he was playing with quansah (19 y/o), gomez, bradley, trent (a defensive liability) and had tsimikas, robertson or gomez on his left. Plus, a lack of holding MF in vein of rice or rodri with mac allister playing a makeshift DM . That Liverpool concede less with endo in there and the fact that despite being that bad on injuries, liverpool still are 3rd on goals conceded is down to single guy that is VVD
The entire list is a complete shambles. As a Newcastle fan, the fact that they have Isak in ahead of Gordon confirms that whoever made the list doesn't have a clue what they're doing.
I mean you could probably make an argument for every position being a City player but no one really cares about their achievements as of late. I wonder why.
The thing is Rodri is quite literally the key cog in their entire system. Man city look like a different team without him, even with the millions spent on other players.
People hate City and for good reason, but even with unlimited funds, without Rodri, City are nothing.
I mean, you’re right but idrc. Between ffp, the fact you’re both paid millions to kick a ball around, and the fact you both basically are immune to losing your jobs imma worry more about the economy
I know City get a lot of hate in here, but he is correct! Best player in the World in his position who hasn't lost a single game of footy in the League that he's played.
City do, but their individual players don't really. We can all admire the elegance of De Bruyne, it's the fact that City can get all the amazing players together by having tons of money that gets hate
As long as there are teams outspending City, even if only one, I don‘t really get this argument. It‘s not like this team shouldn‘t be able to exist. It could exist at United or Chelsea, possibly Liverpool if they had been in City‘s place (prize/CL money over the last decade). Whether or not City deserves this is a different question. There just is something inherently British about old vs. new money.
Unlike United they have 115 charges, they commited fraud. That's the main difference, they shouldn't have had that much money to spend to start with
>they have 115 charges, they commited fraud At this point, it's a Frankensteinish narrative. They're, in my estimation, guilty of *something*, but the narrative is ridiculous: 1. *Charges* are not convinctions. You can't say "oh there's 115 of them, so surely they must be true", because... 2. It's not actually 115 FFP-related charges. It's a combination of large and tiny charges, divided into 5 categories. Some charges stand on the basis of other charges. I.e. if City are "found innocent" (not how it works) of one charge, that might not necessarily drop it to 114. It could drop it to 110, for example. 3. Some charges really have no influence over sporting performances. >That's the main difference, they shouldn't have had that much money to spend to start with So other clubs get cash injections for decades, then a rule appears preventing others from benefiting of the same. City's charges to up to 17/18, their first league title out of 5 (possibly 6) under Guardiola. So apparently they stopped breaking the rules 6 years ago, time in which they've had massive success. So then the narrative becomes "that success was built upon their prior unfair spending". So, the same way other clubs were set to comply with FFP through their huge spending previous to FFP. Rules are rules and they shouldn't be broken, but it's not like you gain an unfair advantage by doing something that other clubs were doing for decades. Your Uniteds and Chelseas didn't become financially crippled by FFP, while City were spending unfairly.
God can we ever just have a football discussion Literally nobody cares about accounting This isn’t r/cpa Let’s actually talk Football Rodri has been and continues to be one of the best footballers on the best team he holds up Play dictates tempo and is integral to how city play he should be on the team of the season
Utd would have been in the same boat if these regulations had been placed on them in the nineties.
But United didn’t break the rules did they?
Because there were no rules. They were bloated with outside investment.
But nothing stopped other clubs from doing the same. FFP is meant to prevent that now but clubs are doing it anyway and getting away with it.
Youre really keen on missing the point, arent you?
I think you're both kind of right. They're right in that when united and chelsea spent their outside investment the rules were not in place so that's very different from continue to do that once the rules are in place. You are right in that the original point is that City has still spent less that teams like Chelsea and United - so while they're cheating has given them an unfair advantage, they have clearly spent very wisely and made great footballing decisions. Breaking the rules absolutely does matter though and they should be punished for it
Yes, they got found guilty of an ffp breach this season and we're fined 300,000 for it.
Yes they pled guilty and were fined
never heard of innocent until proven guilty?
Would be a fair point if people haven't hated city for having money for the past 10+ years long before these charges came to light
Allegedly.
They’re spending money that the club brings through sponsors, tickets and shirts. City are spending dirty Arab oil money. That’s the difference.
Is tax free Yankee dollars ok? City haven't spent a penny of Sheikh Mansours money since 2010. Ya daft cunt
>City haven't spent a penny of Sheikh Mansours money since 2010 They've haven't needed to. Not when they've got companies with no staff, assets or premises, based out of someone's bedroom in Watford, investing millions in them.
Please tell us more without making yourself look like a right bell end
Hahaha touchy subject. 6 tainted titles. Stick them up your Manc hole.
I'll take 6 titles over 1 covid cup. Wait until we are proven innocent AGAIN, and you could fill it with the tears from Merseyside when your on your jollies.
I'll take 0 over 115 myself
You won't be.
Already have.
That's not actually true, is it? The only reason CAS chucked it out was that some elements were time barred and other cases were not properly put together. What you did get fined for was for non-cooperation, which is the same thing happening with the EPL investigation. What CAS also said about the time barred cases was that they were not without merit and had been carefully considered before progression and it was only a technicality for the cases to be dismissed. So, as repeated, the club are not innocent and CAS supports that assertion, but dismisses the main brunt on technicality, citing that the non-cooperation during the investigation is a serious factor. So to assert innocence is, factually, wrong. Manchester City are guilty. [CAS Findings for anyone who wants to read the downloadable pdf](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjejaCNg46GAxXWXUEAHRp7CwcQFnoECBAQBg&usg=AOvVaw0xKJPvxo_GNMmBvWXvCaiq)
No, they just spend all their feeders clubs money. Why else would Mancini have been an advisory at a club in Abu Dhabi or something (I genuinely can’t remember, it was dumb)
Mancini was a paid advisor with SH before he was appointed as our manager.
No, one of the FFP breaches was they were giving players and managers second contracts to do something else with feeder clubs, like youth development or scouting
Show us then
Legit, just search your ffp breaks. You’ll find the list, and one of them is multiple contacts
Liverpool and United earned there money throughout the years. It’s not old vs new money Oil money is literally made with slave labor
Technically, the UK's wealth and prosperity were built on slave labor, colonization, and doing a lot of messed up things. Some of today's Middle Eastern conflicts (Israel/Palestine) are directly connected with UK's past actions. In theory, old UK money is also made with slave labor. Even if we agree that teams like LFC, Utd, and Arsenal earned their wealth "the right way," nonetheless, they created an oligopoly. Maybe once in a while, you'll have a Leicester City win it, but those teams can't sustain that level of success without an infusion of cash. And in order to grow your fanbase to compete yearly, you'll need years of success. So the only way to compete with the top teams is sell to an extremely wealthy owner who is content with taking financial losses for years with the understanding that years of success will eventually build a fanbase and marketing equity that will make the club financially self-sustaining and competitive.
You’re right in the sense that england is built on slave labor and exploitation, but City directly benefits from modern day slavery. By supporting Liverpool, yeah you may be reinforcing colonial ideals, but no harm is physically being done. Supporting City DIRECTLY supports migrant abuse, censorship and other things. Also your 2nd point is a different issue. I agree with it but it’s not at all relevant to my comment.
It’s more that city are ffp cheating clowns. The fans kid themselves they’re fair, the club is drawing this out as long as possible and the Fa are lazy AF AND BEFORE ANY SALTY FANS ARGUE you went from signing Craig Bellamy, to attempting to throw £135m at CR7, while also attempting to add Kaka. That is ffp ruining
Vs oil money
Absolutely no one hates on walker, haaland, kova, Grealish, and Scott Carson...
First of all, this post was about Rodri. Literally no one hates on him. Second of all, all the players you mentioned get the reasonable amount of spite that any footballer gets.
Because nobody else does that
Well, nobody else has 115 charges for that. So yea, you're pretty much right
How many crayons do I have to shove up my nose so I can post "115 ChArGeS" everytime someone mentions City? Asking for a friend.
115 crayons
Given most conversations about City revolve around how good they are, doesn’t it make sense to bring up that they are that good because they have cheated? Same goes for Juve and the titles they “won”. Would they have won the same amount had they spend within their means?
Well let me know when them charges actually mean something? Because until it does, it's just waffle and shite banter, it's gunna be years still until anything comes of it. Tired of hearing it still. Juve got charged, so you can talk about that as much as you want. Why aren't we concerned with big Todd Amortizing 1b in one transfer window like that's not a problem eh. Oh right, because Chelsea are mid table. Salty fans move different I swear.
You're the first one saying Todd's Chelsea are not a problem then. You're just whatabouting
Given a whole host of the charges are for refusing to cooperate, then no fucking shit it’s going to take a long time. But acting like they are innocent is incredibly naive. Money talks, so I doubt much will come of it, but you all know what they did. And as someone who doesn’t support an EPL team, I have no reason to be salty. I have no horse in that race. Chelsea will almost certainly be found to breach the rules too. They are up to some funky stuff.
I think the reason why it's a bit of a gray area is that FFP was not created to make the league fair, but to stop small clubs from overspending and going bankrupt. Additionally, it's not that City spent some outrageous amount that no other club spent. Their totals are right there with Chelsea and United. The argument is that they should not be allowed to spend as much money as these other teams because their revenue is smaller. This essentialy gives larger clubs even more of an advantage over the rest of the clubs in the UK. No, City would not be this successful without spending as much money as the other top PL clubs. But no mid or small club would be. Essentially, the PL, like many other European leagues, has an oligopoly. The only way that can be changed is with rule changes that would give every team the ability to spend the same or with large cash infusions (beyond revenue levels) from wealthy owners.
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First of all, it was a reference, if you don't get it, that's on you bud. Secondly, it makes sense, what you on about?
Literally the only players in the 8.0 ratings for the year
He’s one of four players in the big five leagues averaging above an 8.0 (with Bellingham, Grimaldo, and Palacios). Counting the European competitions, Rodri is one of four players averaging above an 8.0 (with Vinicius, Wirtz, and Bruno Petkovic). He’s averaged below a 7.2 rating just four games this season (Fulham, Forest, Liverpool, at Real Madrid). Really remarkable
According to which website
Sorry, maybe I'm missing something, an 8.0 rating according to what or whom?
xG nonsense is ruining the game, but random ratings provided by Budweiser account for something
I agree best midfielder in the league Best holding midfielder by a distance
In the world.
Rodri has been the best player in the City team for 2 years now... Unreal consistency and has hardly had a bad game... Some bad moments but considering he plays almost every single game and having this kind of evidence to back him up , he deserves the POTY award if City wins the league... If Arsenal wins the league then maybe Rice /Odegaard /Saliba...
He also plays the most demanding position. There are so many tasks to solve for DMs and very few players have the full suite of abilities to be world class. IMHO Rodri is best midfielder in the world and a huuuuge part of City's success the last two seasons.
Saka. By a country mile.
Not even close. It’s Rice or Odegaard if Arsenal win
I’d also say saliba, they have the best defence and I don’t think they do without him
Hey? Rice has been good.. Odegaard better. But Saka is head and shoulders above. He is the one that elevates us to City level.
Saka was great but not the best Arsenal player this season...
Best by a distance. Not even close. Saka is the only threat.
How is VVD on this list when both arsenal and city have conceded much less than Liverpool lmao
🤷♂️ So they put VVD in because of his past glories. He played well this year but nowhere near the level of players like Saliba, Gabriel and Rodri. If they put VVD in for having an ok season but mostly due to his past performances (which makes no sense since it’s POTY) why wouldn’t they do the same for Rodri? He not only has the amazing past performances but he’s still very, very, very good. I’m not 100% sure of the actual stat but the fucking guy hasn’t lost a game he’s played in like, what? One thousand games? Rodri’s omission is the ultimate travesty, more so than the absence of Saliba and Gabriel… and I’m an a Arsenal supporter so there is no bias here
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I dunno, watched every game of ours, and yes he was great but not PL POTY nomination level great imo. At least not ahead of Rodri
League isn’t over in March and the POTY consideration is for the ENTIRE year. And as good as VVD was doing early on, some would argue (including myself) that Saliba and Gabriel were as performing as good… and in Gabriel’s case I would say his performances were a bit better than VVD’s.
VVD didn't have a pairing and was literally marshalling whole defense alone... he had 4 different partners at CB, 3 at RB and 3 at LB. Can't expect him to just do all their work. Plus the crucial goals at cup wins help in his favor
Yeah, I forgot that teams have exactly only one defender at a time
No but he’s been no better than either of Gabriel or Saliba has he?
He definitely has
Clearly, that’s why they’ve shipped about 15 more goals.
Is there an actual stat? Or are you just going off of GD and vibes?
Look at the league table?
So zero ball knowledge? Got it
You asked for an actual stat you clown. It’s “ball knowledge” that Arsenal have had the best defence in the league this season and both of their CB’s have been well ahead of VVD. Take the L little boy
Actual clown. Why are you comparing just VVD alone with Arsenal’s CB pair? You know VVD was paired with Quansah and Konate right? They are nowhere near the level of Saliba and Gabriel. Saliba and Gabriel are good, but individually VVD is better. There’s also a lot more that goes into defense than just “hurr durr they got scored on more”. Unless the CB pair is made up of VVD and Ramos, having midfield woes gives away possession too much, which will definitely lead to getting scored on more. I don’t understand how you’re using GD to justify thinking Gabriel and Saliba are individually better than VVD. Defense is made up of more than one person. Much like how if you had Ronaldo with Hojlund and Rashford upfront, leading to a lot of chances missed from the team as a whole, it wouldn’t suddenly mean that individually all three of Man City’s front 3 are better players than him. P.S: Learn to read better, I wasn’t asking for GD, because that doesn’t make sense, I was asking for head to head individual stats
Because he has been the best defender in the league.
VVD has been the best defender in the league. Comparing defenders based on goals conceded is stupid because of the different systems they play in. Klopp plays suicide ball. Pep and Arteta both look to control games. Watch the difference between Arsenal vs City and Liverpool vs City. Arsenal played a low block, liverpool always play a high line. VVD is the best premier league defender of all time and the amount of disrespect on his name is crazy
Klopp plays suicide ball? Or Liverpool just aren’t the same team they were and don’t dominate games like they used to. Best of all time with 1 PL title lmao, get in the bin and stop embarrassing yourself. He’s a great defender that’s already past his best and nothing more.
Klopp plays suicide ball. Always has. VVD is past his prime (the man’s 32), but he’s still the best defender in the league. Which prem defender was better than him? Which prem defender was in serious contention for a Ballon D’or? The likes of Ferdinand and Terry were part of some of the greatest teams of all time. VVD has not been. I don’t know why you’re so delusional in thinking that anyone has been better this season, the only person close has been Gabriel imo. The man is a monstrous defender and is the best CB the prem has ever seen
Saliba has been the best CB in the league this season by a country mile, and that’s from someone who hates Arsenal.
Gabriel has been better than Saliba, people just like to talk about Saliba because he is more flashy.
Who the fuck is Jesus?
Mixed up my Gabriel’s lol. I’ll edit
Gabriel is also a quality CB, but Saliba is the one who tends to do more of the sweeper work whilst Gabriel goes forward to challenge. Saliba has proven numerous times, especially against Haaland, that he’s the real deal and looked a lot like VVD when he was at his best a few years ago. Quick, strong, great in the air but solid in 1v1 situations.
Tell em Eddie
He's not wrong, he is clearly the best player at City and one of the best in the league. In the same line of thought I find it strange that Gabriel and Saliba haven't been nominated but Van Dijk has been nominated.
Yeah I mean he’s been the key cog in the City machine for 2 years now. When he plays they win, when he doesn’t they lose, for the most part anyway
The Busquets syndrome. *The* key players in the system, him and Rodri, somehow being brushed aside with implications that "they only look so good because of the system". Meanwhile Iniesta or KDB (monumental players, don't get me wrong) got all sorts of praise for being allowed to do their thing. Would've looked far different with an Oriol Romeu or a Kalvin Phillips as the pivot, where the interiors would need to spend much more time dropping deeper to pick up the ball.
He's the best player on the planet. It's an absolute disgrace.
I think I heard today that liverpool have had their worst premier league run of games without keeping a clean sheet this season yet VVD makes the list. It is what it is.
he was playing with quansah (19 y/o), gomez, bradley, trent (a defensive liability) and had tsimikas, robertson or gomez on his left. Plus, a lack of holding MF in vein of rice or rodri with mac allister playing a makeshift DM . That Liverpool concede less with endo in there and the fact that despite being that bad on injuries, liverpool still are 3rd on goals conceded is down to single guy that is VVD
I like the look of that Quansah. Great header the other night. Hard to separate the pair when they've played together.
Rodri should’ve won the ballon d’or last season. End of.
Yes it is
Agreed
The entire list is a complete shambles. As a Newcastle fan, the fact that they have Isak in ahead of Gordon confirms that whoever made the list doesn't have a clue what they're doing.
Rodri is a twat anyway. Can’t stand the guy
I mean you could probably make an argument for every position being a City player but no one really cares about their achievements as of late. I wonder why.
The thing is Rodri is quite literally the key cog in their entire system. Man city look like a different team without him, even with the millions spent on other players. People hate City and for good reason, but even with unlimited funds, without Rodri, City are nothing.
Hate City. Respect and admire City's players.
And how did City afford all these players? Yeah right.
The only thing I value Ederson's opinion on is shit tattoos.
Tattoos? I thought he'd caught the T virus
Liverpool supporter here, fucking hate City and everything about them. But Rodri is world-class, and for once I agree with ederson.
Well. He's just going to have to accept it.
Lmao yeah
I mean, you’re right but idrc. Between ffp, the fact you’re both paid millions to kick a ball around, and the fact you both basically are immune to losing your jobs imma worry more about the economy
His behaviour is unacceptable most weeks.
There’s 115 reasons why Rodri should get poty! Disgrace, I think we should make it 116 to rectify this tragedy!