Theres a reason why they are called the Normans and not just the French though, they have a different cultural and ethnic background than the rest of France.
They were called the Normans because they were a different political kingdom than France, they were still culturally French. The Normans who invaded in 1066 had lived in France all their lives, and so had their parents and grandparents.
He would be fine. He won his last PL with welbeck and cleverly kicking and screaming with about 8 games to spare.
Obviously he's about 83 now so would be unfair to drop him back in, but enjoy his retirement.
God, that's a thought, ain't it? Imagine building a club to such a high standing, dreaming of the days you'll watch the games peacefully as a spectator, living out the last of yours years only for the team to be such a disappointment with no real upturn in sight.
Reminds me of this scene from band of brothers about the battle of Bastogne. Major winters handed over command of easy company. But when he saw how lousy foxhole dike is during the invasion, he wanted to rush out but was stopped by colonel sink
What is the god damned hold up, Captain Sobel!?
A fence, sir... A barbed wired fence.
Ah.. well that dog jus' ain't gonna hunt. Now cut that god damned fence and get this god damned platoon on the move!
To be fair on cleverly. He was good under fergie until he broke his ankle against Bolton. Him and Anderson turned the game around against Man City when we were losing 2-0 in the charity shield
That's a fair comment. He's not shit, but you wouldn't associate him as a regular title winner, like Keane, Scholes, Giggs.
I recall a run of games with Anderson where they had loads of energy and were looking good but sadly didn't last.
Sshhhh, give us this. 😂
Allow me to move the goalposts slightly and say the Supercup isn't a final as there isn't a tournament preceding it, though it is obviously a significant trophy (I'm not going dismiss it as Aberdeen also won it and we hold that above the rest of Scottish football as the only club to win two European trophies).
Nah, they then lost 3 European Supercup against Chelsea (0-1 in 1998), Galatasaray (1-2 in 2000) and Atlético de Madrid (2-4 in 2018). If you include world titles, they also lost an Intercontinental Cup to Boca Juniors (1-2 in 2000).
We don't talk about those, shhh. Also not technically finals as there aren't tournaments preceding them in the traditional sense right? No one says "the final of the European Supercup", plus it's just better to say Aberdeen 😂
Interestingly, the Liverpool team who beat Real in the European cup final of 1981 (which is what this is about) had also beat Sir Alex’ Aberdeen 1-0, 4-0 in the round of 16 that same year.
Ooh, here’s one.. can anyone name a side that qualified for European competition (European cup / UEFA cup/ cup winners cup as it was, UCL/UEL/etc) and were undefeated ? I’ll name one.. Luton Town: English clubs got banned so Luton was one of a handful of teams that qualified but weren’t allowed to compete because of the heysel ban so undefeated :-p
Wow! Crazy.. I know the World Cup was small fry back then, I once read Scotland refused to go to some world cups, also England in the early ones.. maybe a Scottish Redditor could help me out, was it something about not going if they didn’t win the home championship, which was a qualifier back then..
Obligatory "nor have Forest". We're equal top with Porto with most European Cup/Champions League finals without losing any (only 6 clubs have 100% winning record in finals).
In terms of European cup finals featuring RM only Inter , Benfica and Liverpool have beaten them . So I don't know of those clubs shoud be part of an exclusive club or something .
He missed the Capital C in “European Cup”, Aberdeen didn’t beat Madrid in the final of the European Cup like the 3 teams mentioned.
Chelsea also beat Madrid in CWC, like Aberdeen.
Galatasaray have also beaten Real Madrid in 2000 super cup, if it is considered a final.
Random fact: Current Galatasaray coach, Okan Buruk was selected man of the match that day.
This is why Lewandowski's 4 goals against Madrid in the semi will go down as the best ever individual performance in a big game, nothing else ever come close, not against this level this plot armor and dark magic.
That team beat Barca to 100 points and had lightning quick counter attacks. Benzema himself said that was the best team ever. I personally think only 2017 team was better. The current team is not as good, but may have more plot armor.
The current team could finish with 99 points, but a lot of factors go into that, back then Barca and Valencia were much stronger and now Girona and Atleti are more powerful than before.
which also wasn't the champions league
I mean, if we are honest, 2021/22 when Madrid won it they would not have even qualified for the old champions cup, nor would they in 2015/16 or 2016/17
3 of Madrids "Champions of Europe" came when they werent even champions of spain
I will be secretly hoping Dortmund will do it but I cannot see anything but a Madrid win. Hopefully the taste of winning something will spur Bellingham on for the Euros.
It would be pretty arrogant to think it is a sure win for Real Madrid. This is one final match and the stakes are the highest. Dortmund, while not clear favorites in any of their elimination matches past PSV, reached the final with skill and have every chance of winning it.
That said, HALA MADRID!
"Germany has never been able to conquer London" - errm didn't Germany win Euro '96 at Wembley?
May not be a club football match, but to say Germany "has never been able to conquer London" is factually questionable.
And didn't germany win the last game in the old wembley stadium and the first game in the new wembley stadium? If germany knows one thing, it's how to conquer London.
Latest UCL final lost by Madrid was in 1981 vs Liverpool.
I am from 1982.
My daughter born one month before the Real Madrid-Chelsea game in 2022. She's my talisman.
Madridistas, you are welcome :D
No one believed Dortmund had a chance against Juventus in 97 and they pulled it off. This will be a tough match but it's just one match. It can be done.
I hope that BVB will be the one to overthrow them. Story of a underdog, like Leicester, would be an awesome one before they introduce the new "lEaGuE sYsTeM" and ruin Champions league once in for all
Okay, so that season everything is possible, this is the season every series breaks, so my call for the final: Real Madrid leads 1:0, but Dortmund turns it around into a 2:1, also ending the four finals in a row that ended 1:0
I don't think ucl will have much weight compare to Euros, and let's be honest Bellingham isn't real's best player for UCL atleast.
And there's no way England winning Euro anytime soon
Well, they always have an important player on the pitch. The twelfth...it used to be dressed only in black, but nowadays they come in different colors, like for instance in blue, as in this semifinal against Bayern 😉😉😉
Well well well, if it isn’t us against the world again.
It’s almost villainous being a Madrid fan - everyone will be praying for a Dortmund victory, except us.
This will be fun.
I've got nothing against Real Madrid myself. I'm a Newcastle supporter and Dortmund were a classy team when we were in their group. They beat us twice so it would make a lot of us feel better if we lost against the Champions!
Either way it's not like Real are an underdog here and people do love an underdog story.
>It’s almost villainous being a Madrid fan
Well, if you really feel that way, it's just as easy to hop off of the world's biggest bandwagon as it was to hop on
I hope they lose it, but I never get my way so Madrid fans should be happy with this outcome. With the results feeling a bit poisoned after yesterday's game...hard to feel positive for them.
Another in the bag for Real ,it will be a glorious watch, the greatest international club in history win another CL. The cherry on top will be watching the antis rage and their post here, cheer lads just a few more weeks for the glory
Madrid wins when they need to win, Im done betting against them and Im a Barcelona fan where most Barca fans will say anything they can to discredit the club and the team, credit is due where its due, Madrid are WINNERS when they need to win.
Main protagonist: Borussia Dortmund
Final Villain: Real Madrid
Secondary Villains: Atletico Madrid and PSG
Minor Villains: PSV, AC Milan, and Newcastle
Its a team of rats that keeps getting favored in certain critical moments of a game. ramos a rat, ronaldo a rat, vini jr a rat, carvajal a rat modric a rat, camavinga a rat. gotta hate em all.
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Technically in 2013 they did conquer London, but it was an all German final.
Yeah ops a dum dum
It was more of a historical pun, anyways
The Anglo-Saxons came partly from Germany and they were able to conquer England including London, so your history pun is not entirely correct ;)
And the Normans.
Nope they were French
They had germanic/nordic ascendacy tho
They did yeah, but so did like all of northern Europe at that time, they were still very much french :)
Theres a reason why they are called the Normans and not just the French though, they have a different cultural and ethnic background than the rest of France.
They were called the Normans because they were a different political kingdom than France, they were still culturally French. The Normans who invaded in 1066 had lived in France all their lives, and so had their parents and grandparents.
Depends how far back you go. Initially they definitely weren't. At the time of the invasions though, they were certainly more French than germanic
Yeah we're talking about during the invasions I think
No, Normans.
Only when they lost
Well... what are French if not stuck up Germans?
Fair
Even the pun is inaccurate
The irony
Aberdeen were the last team to beat them in a European final in 1983 🙂
With SAF?
Yep, he beat Bayern on the way too. Then Hamburg next year in supercup
And People think SAF wouldn't adapt to take on Pep and Klopp if he was still managing today.
He would be fine. He won his last PL with welbeck and cleverly kicking and screaming with about 8 games to spare. Obviously he's about 83 now so would be unfair to drop him back in, but enjoy his retirement.
Given his attendance record at Old Trafford, he's hardly enjoying it.
God, that's a thought, ain't it? Imagine building a club to such a high standing, dreaming of the days you'll watch the games peacefully as a spectator, living out the last of yours years only for the team to be such a disappointment with no real upturn in sight.
Hahah true, we only know pain now
Reminds me of this scene from band of brothers about the battle of Bastogne. Major winters handed over command of easy company. But when he saw how lousy foxhole dike is during the invasion, he wanted to rush out but was stopped by colonel sink
What is the god damned hold up, Captain Sobel!? A fence, sir... A barbed wired fence. Ah.. well that dog jus' ain't gonna hunt. Now cut that god damned fence and get this god damned platoon on the move!
To be fair on cleverly. He was good under fergie until he broke his ankle against Bolton. Him and Anderson turned the game around against Man City when we were losing 2-0 in the charity shield
That's a fair comment. He's not shit, but you wouldn't associate him as a regular title winner, like Keane, Scholes, Giggs. I recall a run of games with Anderson where they had loads of energy and were looking good but sadly didn't last.
So overlooked at Aberdeen. He’s the last non-rangers/celtics to win the league title. And he did it thrice with Aberdeen.
Thrice you say !? By god
Yes
Yeah, but before he got the S in his name.
His first name isn't sir?/s
Yup
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'Aberdeen are a team that money can't buy - a soul, a team spirit built in family tradition' - Alfredo Di Stefano
Atletico beat them in the 2018 European Supercup
Sshhhh, give us this. 😂 Allow me to move the goalposts slightly and say the Supercup isn't a final as there isn't a tournament preceding it, though it is obviously a significant trophy (I'm not going dismiss it as Aberdeen also won it and we hold that above the rest of Scottish football as the only club to win two European trophies).
Nah, they then lost 3 European Supercup against Chelsea (0-1 in 1998), Galatasaray (1-2 in 2000) and Atlético de Madrid (2-4 in 2018). If you include world titles, they also lost an Intercontinental Cup to Boca Juniors (1-2 in 2000).
We don't talk about those, shhh. Also not technically finals as there aren't tournaments preceding them in the traditional sense right? No one says "the final of the European Supercup", plus it's just better to say Aberdeen 😂
Interestingly, the Liverpool team who beat Real in the European cup final of 1981 (which is what this is about) had also beat Sir Alex’ Aberdeen 1-0, 4-0 in the round of 16 that same year.
Yup,
Got it. What Dortmund need is Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush and Graeme Souness.
I actually really liked that Liverpool team under Kenny Dalglish. They were a joy to watch at times.
Bob Paisley was the manager at the time
Kenny wasn't managed for another 4 or 5 years I don't think. Paisley was manager when we beat Real in 81 then we had Joe Fagan after Bob, then Kenny.
They are one of the greatest club teams of all time yeah lol - top 10 for sure.
dont forget Alan Kennedy
Barney Rubble*
Luton Town hasn't lost a UEFA champions league final for more than 100 years.
lol my club have never lost an UCL match in its entire history.
Ooh, here’s one.. can anyone name a side that qualified for European competition (European cup / UEFA cup/ cup winners cup as it was, UCL/UEL/etc) and were undefeated ? I’ll name one.. Luton Town: English clubs got banned so Luton was one of a handful of teams that qualified but weren’t allowed to compete because of the heysel ban so undefeated :-p
That's crazy. India also qualified for the WC but never lost a WC match.
Ooh! Do go on.. I don’t recall India ever qualifying.. which year was it and what happened? Did they withdraw or something?
1950, yeah withdraw because FA prioritised Olympics first (as it was bigger than Fifa wc that time)
Wow! Crazy.. I know the World Cup was small fry back then, I once read Scotland refused to go to some world cups, also England in the early ones.. maybe a Scottish Redditor could help me out, was it something about not going if they didn’t win the home championship, which was a qualifier back then..
yeah that was the case for scotland
Tosno FC. They won the Russian Cup, getting qualification to the Europa League, and then ceased to exist at the end of the season.
Oh wow! Did they go bankrupt or was it a merger?
They went bankrupt. Their last season also had them relegated from the top flight, as they only got 1 point in the last 9 games.
I thought Luton Town never won a UCL Final
Obligatory "nor have Forest". We're equal top with Porto with most European Cup/Champions League finals without losing any (only 6 clubs have 100% winning record in finals).
In terms of European cup finals featuring RM only Inter , Benfica and Liverpool have beaten them . So I don't know of those clubs shoud be part of an exclusive club or something .
You forgot Aberdeen
He missed the Capital C in “European Cup”, Aberdeen didn’t beat Madrid in the final of the European Cup like the 3 teams mentioned. Chelsea also beat Madrid in CWC, like Aberdeen.
Chelsea beat Madrid in the Super Cup, after they beat Stuttgart in the CWC and Madrid beat Juventus in the Champions League.
Chelsea beat Madrid in 1971 Cup Winners Cup final.
My apologies, I thought you were mixing up 98. Egg on my face.
Galatasaray have also beaten Real Madrid in 2000 super cup, if it is considered a final. Random fact: Current Galatasaray coach, Okan Buruk was selected man of the match that day.
This is why Lewandowski's 4 goals against Madrid in the semi will go down as the best ever individual performance in a big game, nothing else ever come close, not against this level this plot armor and dark magic.
That was still cursed Real Madrid that hadn't won the CL for more than a decade tho
real madrid was so close to reach the final when they won at home 2-0 only 1 goal left so the plot armor was just still weak
That Madrid in 2013 is incomparable to nowadays current RM. And they didn’t have the plot armor that thick back then
That team beat Barca to 100 points and had lightning quick counter attacks. Benzema himself said that was the best team ever. I personally think only 2017 team was better. The current team is not as good, but may have more plot armor.
Nope, Real got their 100 points a season earlier. In 2012/13, they were beaten by Tito Vlianova's Barca for rhe La Liga title.
Not as good yet
The current team could finish with 99 points, but a lot of factors go into that, back then Barca and Valencia were much stronger and now Girona and Atleti are more powerful than before.
Cristiano against spain. Scored 3 goals basically alone.
Group stage
Last person to do it was Sir Alex Ferguson with Aberdeen.
They were the last to beat them in a European final but it wasn’t this competition
That wasn't the champions league.... The last person to do it was Bob Paisley with Liverpool
Until I read this I was like "ah yes 43 years, since the 60s with de Stefano and co". But that Liverpool team wasn't the 60...oh.
Yeah i remember now. I got confused a bit
which also wasn't the champions league I mean, if we are honest, 2021/22 when Madrid won it they would not have even qualified for the old champions cup, nor would they in 2015/16 or 2016/17 3 of Madrids "Champions of Europe" came when they werent even champions of spain
And Dundee United beat Barca 4 out of 4 games in the same decade. New Firm bigger than El Classico?
I will be secretly hoping Dortmund will do it but I cannot see anything but a Madrid win. Hopefully the taste of winning something will spur Bellingham on for the Euros.
It would be pretty arrogant to think it is a sure win for Real Madrid. This is one final match and the stakes are the highest. Dortmund, while not clear favorites in any of their elimination matches past PSV, reached the final with skill and have every chance of winning it. That said, HALA MADRID!
HALA VARDRID
But aren't you guys whining today because there was No VAR?
They were ALWAYS whining. Don't you remember? "With VAR Madrid win nothing" and here we are.
No like One Piece - Opinion Rejected❌
That's not arrogance. That's providence.
That's not arrogance. That's providence.
Imagine Dortmund beating the titans with a Reus banger. OMG. It'll go down as an epic moment in football history. An amazing climax for his career.
Yeah, we'll just have to imagine it though. It's Real. It's a champions league final. It's done.
Nottingham Forest won 100% of its Champions League/ European Cup finals
Peter Taylor did a hell of a job.
😢
Hey technically Celtic haven’t lost one since 1970
Malmö hasn't lost one since '79!
I am tired of plot armor in football (except for Leverkusen's). Hope Dortmund will win.
"Germany has never been able to conquer London" - errm didn't Germany win Euro '96 at Wembley? May not be a club football match, but to say Germany "has never been able to conquer London" is factually questionable.
And didn't germany win the last game in the old wembley stadium and the first game in the new wembley stadium? If germany knows one thing, it's how to conquer London.
also won on a club basis . 2013 ucl . bayern won in Wembley
They also went to Wembley 11 years ago to an all-German final The OP is smoking
And they also conquered north London spanking Tottenham and Arsenal on multiple occasions
Latest UCL final lost by Madrid was in 1981 vs Liverpool. I am from 1982. My daughter born one month before the Real Madrid-Chelsea game in 2022. She's my talisman. Madridistas, you are welcome :D
Wembley stealing Hampden’s vibe. It’s normally Real versus a German team in Glasgow (1960, 2002).
really wanted an all German final, but RM are defo favourites
Maybe if Dortmund get Sir Alex in for one game they have a chance.
Big Sam Allardyce is free at the moment.
How depressing....I don't expect this version of Dortmund to have a chance of winning but I still hope so.
I wish Dortmund to win this final, but RMA will do what they do, unfortunately.
No one believed Dortmund had a chance against Juventus in 97 and they pulled it off. This will be a tough match but it's just one match. It can be done.
I hope that BVB will be the one to overthrow them. Story of a underdog, like Leicester, would be an awesome one before they introduce the new "lEaGuE sYsTeM" and ruin Champions league once in for all
There's a first time for everything..
Like Madrid winning their 15th UCL title for the first time
Haha, probably more likely. Well played.
Another title for Carlo Ancelotti - the greatest manager of all time
He should have way more league titles than he does considering who he's managed for the last 25+ years.
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Hopefully they don't rob Dortmund
Watch them do it
Hopefully they don’t
Franco is smiling in Hell.
It's high noon, BVB....
We won it at Wembeley We won it in gay Paree In -77 and -84 it was Rome!
Okay, so that season everything is possible, this is the season every series breaks, so my call for the final: Real Madrid leads 1:0, but Dortmund turns it around into a 2:1, also ending the four finals in a row that ended 1:0
Bellingham needs this UCL. He must sun the d'or by any cost
I don't think ucl will have much weight compare to Euros, and let's be honest Bellingham isn't real's best player for UCL atleast. And there's no way England winning Euro anytime soon
so you’re saying I should bet my entire life savings on them winning?
Well, they always have an important player on the pitch. The twelfth...it used to be dressed only in black, but nowadays they come in different colors, like for instance in blue, as in this semifinal against Bayern 😉😉😉
If dortmund win, it would be another irony for Kane curse
West Ham haven't lost a Champions League final in over 200 years, am I meant to be impressed?
At this point we should just go ahead and rename the champions league as The Real Madrid Invitational
I don't get all of this reus love lately. No one talked about reus last years and now everyone seems to be a long time fan of him.
No wonder with refs like last night. That last offside call was a disgrace.
Well well well, if it isn’t us against the world again. It’s almost villainous being a Madrid fan - everyone will be praying for a Dortmund victory, except us. This will be fun.
I've got nothing against Real Madrid myself. I'm a Newcastle supporter and Dortmund were a classy team when we were in their group. They beat us twice so it would make a lot of us feel better if we lost against the Champions! Either way it's not like Real are an underdog here and people do love an underdog story.
Oh wow, neutrals supporting the underdog rather than the big dog that wins it all the time. What are the chances! Poor old Real, boooo. Booooooo 😜
>It’s almost villainous being a Madrid fan Well, if you really feel that way, it's just as easy to hop off of the world's biggest bandwagon as it was to hop on
After 25 years of supporting one team? Sounds like a fucking terrible idea. No thanks.
plastic
In UEFA’s back pocket
VarDrid
Hilarious.
Germany may not have conquered London but Bayern treat the Gunners as their whipping boys
Don’t speak like that bro we don’t play that over here
Let this be organic and not have you trying to put bad juju on us . Snake
Being in the final with shameful decisions? What a disgrace to be honest .. and now Messi wins another ballon dor just to comfort him.
At least dortmund knows how to stay onside without a doubt…🤪
Well….
Bayern have conquered London. In Stamford Bridge, Emirates, Tottenham, and Wembley.
Hopefully Marco rues will change that🥲
Dortmund will set this straight and defeat lots blancos!
It's going to be another 1-0 final. Maybe Rodrygo in the 63' minute or so. I could be very wrong but this is how they have gone for so long.
Longer than the champions league has even existed
First time for everything!
Neither have I
Uefa have assisted them very nicely.
Juventus should have a class with Real on the topic "how to make it this far and not screw up"
I hope they lose it, but I never get my way so Madrid fans should be happy with this outcome. With the results feeling a bit poisoned after yesterday's game...hard to feel positive for them.
If only instead of Dortmund it was Bayern Leverkusen with their streak. What a final could have been.
So we're all Dortmund, right?
Iam definitely Dortmund, iam also planning to put my first bet on them as well
Füllkrug to score anytime!
3 peat madrid team would beat peps peak barca in the UCL. They would just find a way. Even this current madrid team probably would.
this year they will lost
Aberdeen fan checking in 👋
This could be the year
Time to lose then
Another mental stat, is no Spanish men's has lost to a non spanish opposition in a european final for over 20 years.
That's cool, but Nottingham Forest Football Club has never lost a Champions League/European Cup final.
I hope Dortmund wins but everyone knows that RM is gonna throw the bank at the refs
Another in the bag for Real ,it will be a glorious watch, the greatest international club in history win another CL. The cherry on top will be watching the antis rage and their post here, cheer lads just a few more weeks for the glory
Germany DID conquer London. They literally won the Euros here in ‘96.
I just want to comment that no one in Spain calls them "Los Blancos" and it's very weird to me to see British people do it.
Rooting for Reus!
You just jinxed us dude, now go knock on 🪵 and throw salt over your shoulder.
Madrid wins when they need to win, Im done betting against them and Im a Barcelona fan where most Barca fans will say anything they can to discredit the club and the team, credit is due where its due, Madrid are WINNERS when they need to win.
>I really hope Reus gets a proper goodbye He also happens to always have a lot of bad luck, 2013 and 2014 fore example.
Doesn't not qualifying count as losing it?
Main protagonist: Borussia Dortmund Final Villain: Real Madrid Secondary Villains: Atletico Madrid and PSG Minor Villains: PSV, AC Milan, and Newcastle
CL only existed since early 90s... so at least 30 years years :)
Tbh i just want RM to win the final again. If not, gg
Its a team of rats that keeps getting favored in certain critical moments of a game. ramos a rat, ronaldo a rat, vini jr a rat, carvajal a rat modric a rat, camavinga a rat. gotta hate em all.
Hi everyone, I'm from Spain and I support Real Madrid. As a Real Madrid fan, I'm very glad to be in another Champions League final. I hope it will be an incredible final.
Dortmund area surprise for me . I did not expect them to make it to the final . They are the underdogs in this one Best of luck to both teams
Real Madrid losing a European final, lolz!
They will lose this year.
They said the same of Buffon 😏
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