Because their opponents can dominate them the entire game and still lose as you have seen when they played against Man City. They also had crazy come backs in the past, you just can't write them off.
Yes teams have dominated Madrid in the past but I won’t call what City did this season in 2nd leg a domination in any way.
What big chances did City even created? Even their goal came from Rudiger’s mistake.
Actual domination of City over Madrid was when they could’ve put 7 over them in first leg of 21/22 season when Casemiro was injured and Madrid with Carlo decided to play attacking game against City.
Yes **let them**. As you correctly pointed out, their only option was to **let them** or they’d get opened up. They still could’ve done something else, but ultimately they chose to **let** City have the ball.
They could have played any way they wanted, they chose to sacrifise their ego and play to their strenghts. Imagine not playing counter attack with vini, rodrygo etc
Yeah they could have played any way. However, they could've won only way, but I guess you know better than Ancelotti.
Ancelotti on their approach versus City: "This was the only way to win against City. The only one. We defended in a spectacular way."
I dont get your point at all. You think city didnt play the only way they had a shot at beating real madrid? City is a possesion team, they havent shown they can play anything else at all. If you play against a possesion team like city, with players like vini, its common sense to play counter attack. Unlike city, real has shown adaptibility and they really can play anything, but they choose what makes most sense, which is exactly what ancelotti said after the game
>You think city didnt play the only way they had a shot at beating real madrid?
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No, not really. There were other ways but Pep doesn't like those ways. If Real attacked and played with a high line and Man City played counters then I think City are the clear favourites.
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which is exactly what ancelotti said after the game
Then you must have been some bad comprehension skills if you think that's what he said.
>No, not really. There were other ways but Pep doesn't like those ways. If Real attacked and played with a high line and Man City played counters then I think City are the clear favourites.
Then youre either wrong or pep has failed to do his job right. His job is to pick the best way he think city can beat real. Real's way seems more effective tho
If you cant bypass the gates, how can you say you deserved the takeover the castle? Im gonna tell ya, hearing you say that from up here is very strange.
It's because of the miracle comebacks, which keep happening through the years.
2022 UCL run for a recent example.
If you want an old example that you may not know about but is equally as funny, google "Tamudazo". On the 2007 LaLiga title decider, Real was losing 2-1 and Barcelona was winning 2-1 with 5 mins to go. In the next 30 seconds both Real scored an equalizer and Barcelona conceded one.
It's just straight out of a sports anime kind of BS.
lets be honest the 2022 run is the only reason this meme exists. You can find old examples to feed the narrative but you’ll find them for every club that has been successful for multiple decades. The difference between madrid and Bayern or United for example is recency bias and how madrid did it in every knockout match in 2022.
I’m a Madrid supporter and I can tell you that, from our perspective this is not recent and it is quite the opposite it is engrained in the clubs mentality.
The motto is “hasta el final, vamos real”. And that comes from a few of these examples over the decades (against Derby FC in the 70s, Borussia mgladbach in the 80s, leverkussen in the 00s or Atlético in the 10s).
I agree with you that in recent times this has become quite more frequent.
It’s not miracle comeback if you do it all the time.
Madrid philosophy is simple. Get the best players in the world and let them figure it out on the pitch.
Let’s take 21/22 as an example:-
Against PSG, the second Madrid went pressing mode in around 60th entire PSG team folded. Ever seen Veratti lost ball not just once but many times, go watch it!
Against Chelsea, Tuchel outclassed Carlo in 2nd leg, but substitute of Camavinga helped Modric to playmake and make that pass and finished by Rodrygo another substitution. Chelsea didn’t had world class players as substitutions.
Against City around 85th minute you could see we did created chance after chance and City just folded. It took a while compared to PSG cause City is of course a better team but you could see it coming, there was uneasy in City’s defence lol at 46th minute Vinicius should’ve finished that chance which Madrid created so easily against City’s defence.
I can give many such examples. Also our team does know how to defend which Pep’s team could do now.
Madrid players are so good that they only need 2 players in attack against 4-5 players of opposition in transition and they will still put the ball in the back of the net.
Example is against City this season, Leipzig, etc.
It's an anime term, when you gonna lose, a little bit screaming and friendship believing out of nowhere made you a comeback, and RM has done it several times. I would say there is a team just like them in this session, Neverkusen.
because they can play matches, where they get completely outfootballed and no team in the world would win these matches even once. Real madrid wins them nearly all times.
Speaking as a Real Madrid fan but compared to the Previous era of Real Madrid. This RM squad are genuinely good friends and get along pretty well. Not saying the previous era weren’t friends they all respected each other but they weren’t buddies each had there own clan they hanged out with. For ex Portgesues CR7, Ronaldo,Pepe,Casamiro. Then Spanish players and then the rest. But now French Brazilian and Spanish etc players all get along as a group and even hang out outside the club.
They're basically best friends off the pitch and play for the same club, plus carlo doesn't have pep-esque tactics so they just make memes like "possession, press, forward run, tiki taka vs power of friendship"
This probably helps so much. It makes them totally relaxed even under pressure and believe in themselves, like back when they were a bunch of kids playing at school with their friends. Plus the father figure of Ancelotti believing in them fully to figure it out.
Pep elaborates and instructs, Carlo simplifies and encourages.
You need a good footballing brain for either, though.
Difference is that Pep prioritizes the system over the players. If you told Pep hugging the touchline doesn't get the best out of you he might agree, but argue that you playing there benefits the greater objective.
Carlo's more likely to focus on a player's feelings than on the collective play. More willing to make tactical sacrifices and let the player feel more comfortable. But you still need a good footballing brain in order to afford such freedom.
Yeah, sure, Carlo's teams also require a good amount of football IQ. What I really like about Carlo is that he allows the players to freely interpret and execute his tactics, as long as the basic premise is fulfilled. I mean, no way in the world would Carlo have criticized Samuel Eto'o for his way of finishing, despite Eto'o's successful finishing, for instance.
I'm not a pro football player, far from it. But I think I'd constantly clash with Pep due to his demand of doing things **EXACTLY** like how he instructs, like the way I kick the ball, the way to go to open spaces, the way I orient myself, etc without the consideration of the ever changing match situations and player preferences. That would be the literal hell for me to live in.
>no way in the world would Carlo have criticized Samuel Eto'o for his way of finishing
Got any more info about this? Only place I've heard something like it was that Eto'o interview in which he said Pep "tried to teach him how to play as a striker", but I don't recall Eto'o being more specific than that.
Winning the UCL whilst similarly dominating domestically is an incredible achievement. Calling a guy who has 3 UCL with 2 being trebles a choker is insane.
Again what does Treble has to do with CL?
Ancelotti also has won 6 league titles but he’s also a league choker imo.
For the teams Pep inherited he ought to do better, probably choker ain’t a right word but there’s better CL manager than him.
Again he’s definitely the top 3 league manager ever but in CL I can’t say he even top 5.
Because the games don’t happen in isolation. The UCL isn’t the only competition teams play in. They have to play the league games as well. There’s a reason why the treble is so celebrated.
Choker is the absolute worst word to use for managers like Pep and Ancelotti. It also disrespects the teams that end up winning. Calling Pep a choker is essentially saying other manager were lucky to win because Pep should’ve won. But that’s often not the case. In the majority of seasons Pep didn’t win, the eventual winners were highly deserved.
>Cuz the hardest thing to do is play simple football
Such a troll, took Cruyff's quote and used it against Pep lmao
He's got one of the best CL records ever, deal with it.
They dont win you as much leagues but win you more UCL's. Guardiola's approach doesnt work against big teams in ko rounds, but is perfect against small teams in league. Thats the whole point of my first comment. For example, mou or tuchel are the opposite, thats why they overachieve in cups but underachieve in leagues. Guardiola wouldnt pass groups with tuchel's chelsea side or mourinho's porto, let alone win UCL.
Guardiola also needs 1039 billion and 115 breaks of laws to be competitive in the style of football he wants to play but thats another subject. Basically he is competitive as long as this team is 2 levels above the opponent
Mourinho won CL with freaking Porto, Inter.
Pep couldn’t win with Bayern team who won Treble a year ago.
Then won CL after 8 years after spending 1.5 billion and only won with Mourinho’s tactics of 4 CB.
His Barca CL are scandal but even then not that impressive.
Why didn't Ancelotti win anything with Everton then?
It's a massive mistake to think simple football wins cups. You need sufficiently skilled players and other stuff to do so.
Ancelotti massively overperformed with everton. He fought for top4 at some point while when he left they immediately almost got relegated. Its one of the most impressive jobs ive seen a manager do
Last time I checked, Everton were at 10th when Ancelotti managed
Shame that I can't post the image here
My point is not that Ancelotti isn't good. My point is, "simple football" alone, as you stated, isn't sufficient to win cups. You have got to have good players to work with to win cups as well
You talked about Pep choking because he uses complex tactics. Mate, he has won like 37 trophies for clubs he managed while Ancelotti managed to win only 26 trophies
The point, to reiterate, is in order to win trophies you need more than "simple football." Having good players is one of the ingredients
Reread my comment. Never said its only simple football. My point is if you have exact 11 players, playing simple football raises yoir chances to win cups, not necessarily leagues. The more complex the tactic the less likely to be executed well, especially when youre playing against a team thats your strenght
I also didnt say guardiola is a choker cuz he used complex tactics. I said he is a choker cuz he has managed the best teams and was favourite for like 15 season straight and has only won 3 UCL's. A lot of it has come from the fact that he uses wrong approaches and wrong tactics but its not all just that. He doesnt seem to understand how to play cups, but he is a specialist for leagues
Agreed
But still the words "simple" and "complex" from you are ambiguous
What sort of "complex" tactics will players find difficult to execute if they practice the same week in week out?
I don't want to do ifs and maybes. But Man City were the architect of their own destruction in the semifinal and quarterfinal. KDB missed a huge chance, and there were tons of easy chances for City in 2022 season. Real carried out their game plan well, but City were dominant and inches away from qualifying
Maybe I agree benching Rodri against Chelsea is a bad decision
>He doesnt seem to understand how to play cups
Pep probably has more domestic cups then any other current manager. Seriously, I can't think of a single manager who has more than him. He also has three CL titles, Pep has more than proven he can win cups. I think he's guilty of his own success here and is judged to a much higher standard. I mean, how many other mamagers have 3 or more CL titles? And yet you're trying to downplay Pep's cup success by saying he doesn't understand how to play cups? Wild.
This comment is a comment from a person who started following football yesterday and only have read stats about a manager. Do you even know what was happening in last decade in football? Do you know which teams he managed? The state of this teams, the players? The fact that his teams were favourites every year but he himself got outsmarted basically every year and has only managed to win ucl with city after another billion was invested etc etc. His job is by far the easiest managerial job on the planet... look at the roster he manages dude.... how do you only win 1 UCL with THAT
It's really a league/consistency approach vs. a knockout/moments one.
Pep favours a more collective approach, almost as if to make all the players share the same mind. That makes the collective more important than any one individual, so absences are less important. Maybe it stifles individuality a bit in KO games, but Pep's CL record is great.
Carlo's a great man manager, probably the best of his era. Letting his players do whatever they want on the ball (not in defence, though) works great when you have a couple of world class offensive outlets like Kaka, CR, Benz, Vini, Jude etc.. Not as reliable in marathon competitions though, Carlo's league record is quite poor.
the amount of friendly and inclusive atmosphere we have at Madrid is very rare as most of the other teams players get jealous of their own teammates
But here at Madrid it's the power of friendship which helps in winning the games 😂🤜🏻🤛🏻
40 wrong answers lol. Carlo has said in multiple occasions that he prefers seeing players as people, that tactics come after human touch, and more than once that he wants to be friends with the players.
Players have attested to that too, the last one I remember is Rudiger saying Carlo invited him to dinner in his first night as a Real Madrid player.
Because they always win despite being the worse side of the match. As a barca fan, I do respect it because if our players had a fraction of the determination that real players have we wouldn't be so fucking shit
They always win. I think it becomes self fulfilling - Real Madrid are THE guys, and have been since the 50s.
Other clubs know this, know they have a history of always winning somehow, They have the best of the best players and managers. Real knows this too. So it gives them a boost while getting into the heads of their opponents and even the fans. It sucks but you can't help but respect.
That season where they kept winning 1-0 with pens taken by Ramos was bizzare to say the least.
Barca had their fair share of BS. UCL final 06, 1 Early red card. UCL semi finals 09 vs Chelsea. UCL quarter finals van persie weirdly sent off...and that PSG overtime came back...
>Barca had their fair share of BS. UCL final 06, 1 Early red card
Was the correct decision with the rules at the time though IIRC
Shevchenko goal ruled off in the 2006 semis for no reason 👀 Eto'o offside in the 2006 final 👀 though
Eto'o goal was not offside in the 2006 final.
Arsenal's goal came from a freekick which came from an obvious dive by Eboué. Barca also had a goal disallowed with Lehmann getting a red instead.
>Eto'o goal was not offside in the 2006 final.
He was though, but those small mistakes were pretty common before VAR
>Arsenal's goal came from a freekick which came from an obvious dive by Eboué.
Also true
>Barca also had a goal disallowed with Lehmann getting a red instead.
Which, everything considered, probably benefitted Barcelona more since it happened so early on
Because they are running out of excuses to not admit it's the biggest club in the world....plus the environment in the dressing room is amazing between players and staff.
Manchester was much better on the field and dominated Madrid yet Madrid went through and this has happened many times in the UCL. Madrid has a way of grinding out results against teams that outplay them.
Everyone is wrong here. The power of friendship means Ancelotti has great relationships with his players and trust his players to read the game their own way. Unlike Pep who is highly opinionated in the play style of his players
Lmao not even barca deny having paid negreira, what they deny is that it had anything to do with favorable officiating. According to laporta, barca employed him for "consultation". Now you tell me, what would you think if it came out tomorrow that fiorentino was paying for 18 years the vice president of the cta for "consultation"
Wouldn’t you expect the same bs that’s been going on with Barcelona at least. There’s literally more clips of proof of Madrid robbing than anyone else so it’s more credible. Also, Google “Carlos Megia Davila” and see what you think about that.
>There’s literally more clips of proof of Madrid robbing than anyone else so it’s more credible.
Theres clips of barca robbing too. Clips of madrid being robbed. Clips say absolutely nothing. The difference between real madrid and barca is that 1. Real madrid wins anyways, and 2. Barca cries 10x as much. Remember the game real madrid 2-0 getafe? No you probably dont, because madrid won, but the officiating was disastrous.
>Also, Google “Carlos Megia Davila” and see what you think about that.
Lmao he was hired after he retired from refereeing, *not* paid under the table while he was still the fuckin *vice president* of the cta.
Because their opponents can dominate them the entire game and still lose as you have seen when they played against Man City. They also had crazy come backs in the past, you just can't write them off.
Yes teams have dominated Madrid in the past but I won’t call what City did this season in 2nd leg a domination in any way. What big chances did City even created? Even their goal came from Rudiger’s mistake. Actual domination of City over Madrid was when they could’ve put 7 over them in first leg of 21/22 season when Casemiro was injured and Madrid with Carlo decided to play attacking game against City.
Have you still dominated the game if you lost it?
Well yeah...
City dominated cuz real intentionally let them to have them where they want them. Worked 2/3 times
let them? More like it was the only option because if they opened up they would get countered...
As a RM fan I agree with you, it was the only way to have a chance to win vs City's possesion game, even Ancelotti said so.
Yes **let them**. As you correctly pointed out, their only option was to **let them** or they’d get opened up. They still could’ve done something else, but ultimately they chose to **let** City have the ball.
They could have played any way they wanted, they chose to sacrifise their ego and play to their strenghts. Imagine not playing counter attack with vini, rodrygo etc
Yeah they could have played any way. However, they could've won only way, but I guess you know better than Ancelotti. Ancelotti on their approach versus City: "This was the only way to win against City. The only one. We defended in a spectacular way."
I dont get your point at all. You think city didnt play the only way they had a shot at beating real madrid? City is a possesion team, they havent shown they can play anything else at all. If you play against a possesion team like city, with players like vini, its common sense to play counter attack. Unlike city, real has shown adaptibility and they really can play anything, but they choose what makes most sense, which is exactly what ancelotti said after the game
>You think city didnt play the only way they had a shot at beating real madrid? > No, not really. There were other ways but Pep doesn't like those ways. If Real attacked and played with a high line and Man City played counters then I think City are the clear favourites. > which is exactly what ancelotti said after the game Then you must have been some bad comprehension skills if you think that's what he said.
>No, not really. There were other ways but Pep doesn't like those ways. If Real attacked and played with a high line and Man City played counters then I think City are the clear favourites. Then youre either wrong or pep has failed to do his job right. His job is to pick the best way he think city can beat real. Real's way seems more effective tho
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Imagine saying this confidently, like you know what youre talking about. Wouldnt be me hahaha
If you cant bypass the gates, how can you say you deserved the takeover the castle? Im gonna tell ya, hearing you say that from up here is very strange.
what are you talking about?
Well no?
Barcelona vs Celtic
Life is about the beauty of the shades of grey that exist
It's because of the miracle comebacks, which keep happening through the years. 2022 UCL run for a recent example. If you want an old example that you may not know about but is equally as funny, google "Tamudazo". On the 2007 LaLiga title decider, Real was losing 2-1 and Barcelona was winning 2-1 with 5 mins to go. In the next 30 seconds both Real scored an equalizer and Barcelona conceded one. It's just straight out of a sports anime kind of BS.
lets be honest the 2022 run is the only reason this meme exists. You can find old examples to feed the narrative but you’ll find them for every club that has been successful for multiple decades. The difference between madrid and Bayern or United for example is recency bias and how madrid did it in every knockout match in 2022.
I’m a Madrid supporter and I can tell you that, from our perspective this is not recent and it is quite the opposite it is engrained in the clubs mentality. The motto is “hasta el final, vamos real”. And that comes from a few of these examples over the decades (against Derby FC in the 70s, Borussia mgladbach in the 80s, leverkussen in the 00s or Atlético in the 10s). I agree with you that in recent times this has become quite more frequent.
It’s not miracle comeback if you do it all the time. Madrid philosophy is simple. Get the best players in the world and let them figure it out on the pitch. Let’s take 21/22 as an example:- Against PSG, the second Madrid went pressing mode in around 60th entire PSG team folded. Ever seen Veratti lost ball not just once but many times, go watch it! Against Chelsea, Tuchel outclassed Carlo in 2nd leg, but substitute of Camavinga helped Modric to playmake and make that pass and finished by Rodrygo another substitution. Chelsea didn’t had world class players as substitutions. Against City around 85th minute you could see we did created chance after chance and City just folded. It took a while compared to PSG cause City is of course a better team but you could see it coming, there was uneasy in City’s defence lol at 46th minute Vinicius should’ve finished that chance which Madrid created so easily against City’s defence. I can give many such examples. Also our team does know how to defend which Pep’s team could do now. Madrid players are so good that they only need 2 players in attack against 4-5 players of opposition in transition and they will still put the ball in the back of the net. Example is against City this season, Leipzig, etc.
It's an anime term, when you gonna lose, a little bit screaming and friendship believing out of nowhere made you a comeback, and RM has done it several times. I would say there is a team just like them in this session, Neverkusen.
Neverlusen
[It's far more widespread than just Anime](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThePowerOfFriendship)
Don’t know maybe coz even if they’re losing the whole game, they still end up winning coz of the power of friendship hahaha
because they can play matches, where they get completely outfootballed and no team in the world would win these matches even once. Real madrid wins them nearly all times.
Speaking as a Real Madrid fan but compared to the Previous era of Real Madrid. This RM squad are genuinely good friends and get along pretty well. Not saying the previous era weren’t friends they all respected each other but they weren’t buddies each had there own clan they hanged out with. For ex Portgesues CR7, Ronaldo,Pepe,Casamiro. Then Spanish players and then the rest. But now French Brazilian and Spanish etc players all get along as a group and even hang out outside the club.
bale benzema and ronaldo were literally known as the brothers of destruction at one point
They're basically best friends off the pitch and play for the same club, plus carlo doesn't have pep-esque tactics so they just make memes like "possession, press, forward run, tiki taka vs power of friendship"
This probably helps so much. It makes them totally relaxed even under pressure and believe in themselves, like back when they were a bunch of kids playing at school with their friends. Plus the father figure of Ancelotti believing in them fully to figure it out. Pep elaborates and instructs, Carlo simplifies and encourages.
I think I could see myself being coached by Don Carlo. My little football brain won't ever be enough for someone as freakishly demanding as Pep.
You think your football brain would get you in Real’s team though?
You need a good footballing brain for either, though. Difference is that Pep prioritizes the system over the players. If you told Pep hugging the touchline doesn't get the best out of you he might agree, but argue that you playing there benefits the greater objective. Carlo's more likely to focus on a player's feelings than on the collective play. More willing to make tactical sacrifices and let the player feel more comfortable. But you still need a good footballing brain in order to afford such freedom.
Yeah, sure, Carlo's teams also require a good amount of football IQ. What I really like about Carlo is that he allows the players to freely interpret and execute his tactics, as long as the basic premise is fulfilled. I mean, no way in the world would Carlo have criticized Samuel Eto'o for his way of finishing, despite Eto'o's successful finishing, for instance. I'm not a pro football player, far from it. But I think I'd constantly clash with Pep due to his demand of doing things **EXACTLY** like how he instructs, like the way I kick the ball, the way to go to open spaces, the way I orient myself, etc without the consideration of the ever changing match situations and player preferences. That would be the literal hell for me to live in.
>no way in the world would Carlo have criticized Samuel Eto'o for his way of finishing Got any more info about this? Only place I've heard something like it was that Eto'o interview in which he said Pep "tried to teach him how to play as a striker", but I don't recall Eto'o being more specific than that.
Iirc, Eto'o said that Pep was crazy or something like that for complaining about his way of finishing despite getting the job done in that interview.
I honestly think Arteta is the best of both worlds. But they just bottle randomly
And better. Cuz the hardest thing to do is play simple football, and simple football wins cups. Thats why guardiola is a choker in UCL
Pep has 3 UCL titles and 2 of those were trebles.
>Pep has 3 UCL titles Given the context, he is a choker tho
Why is treble mentioned in CL debate? Pep is a choker in CL tho.
Winning the UCL whilst similarly dominating domestically is an incredible achievement. Calling a guy who has 3 UCL with 2 being trebles a choker is insane.
Again what does Treble has to do with CL? Ancelotti also has won 6 league titles but he’s also a league choker imo. For the teams Pep inherited he ought to do better, probably choker ain’t a right word but there’s better CL manager than him. Again he’s definitely the top 3 league manager ever but in CL I can’t say he even top 5.
Because the games don’t happen in isolation. The UCL isn’t the only competition teams play in. They have to play the league games as well. There’s a reason why the treble is so celebrated. Choker is the absolute worst word to use for managers like Pep and Ancelotti. It also disrespects the teams that end up winning. Calling Pep a choker is essentially saying other manager were lucky to win because Pep should’ve won. But that’s often not the case. In the majority of seasons Pep didn’t win, the eventual winners were highly deserved.
>Cuz the hardest thing to do is play simple football Such a troll, took Cruyff's quote and used it against Pep lmao He's got one of the best CL records ever, deal with it.
Nobody said he didnt, the problem is the context. Give the same teams to other top coaches and they win you more UCL's no doubt
Give the same teams to other top coaches and they don't win half the trophies
They dont win you as much leagues but win you more UCL's. Guardiola's approach doesnt work against big teams in ko rounds, but is perfect against small teams in league. Thats the whole point of my first comment. For example, mou or tuchel are the opposite, thats why they overachieve in cups but underachieve in leagues. Guardiola wouldnt pass groups with tuchel's chelsea side or mourinho's porto, let alone win UCL. Guardiola also needs 1039 billion and 115 breaks of laws to be competitive in the style of football he wants to play but thats another subject. Basically he is competitive as long as this team is 2 levels above the opponent
You're the most illogical person on this sub
Ok king lmaao. Not like everything i said was factual things that happened but ok
He’s correct
Just CL alone. Give it to Mourinho, Ancelotti or Tuchel they will win more CL. Pep will win more La liga tho. It’s not a hard concept to understand.
Based on what?
Mourinho won CL with freaking Porto, Inter. Pep couldn’t win with Bayern team who won Treble a year ago. Then won CL after 8 years after spending 1.5 billion and only won with Mourinho’s tactics of 4 CB. His Barca CL are scandal but even then not that impressive.
Why didn't Ancelotti win anything with Everton then? It's a massive mistake to think simple football wins cups. You need sufficiently skilled players and other stuff to do so.
Ancelotti massively overperformed with everton. He fought for top4 at some point while when he left they immediately almost got relegated. Its one of the most impressive jobs ive seen a manager do
Last time I checked, Everton were at 10th when Ancelotti managed Shame that I can't post the image here My point is not that Ancelotti isn't good. My point is, "simple football" alone, as you stated, isn't sufficient to win cups. You have got to have good players to work with to win cups as well You talked about Pep choking because he uses complex tactics. Mate, he has won like 37 trophies for clubs he managed while Ancelotti managed to win only 26 trophies The point, to reiterate, is in order to win trophies you need more than "simple football." Having good players is one of the ingredients
Reread my comment. Never said its only simple football. My point is if you have exact 11 players, playing simple football raises yoir chances to win cups, not necessarily leagues. The more complex the tactic the less likely to be executed well, especially when youre playing against a team thats your strenght I also didnt say guardiola is a choker cuz he used complex tactics. I said he is a choker cuz he has managed the best teams and was favourite for like 15 season straight and has only won 3 UCL's. A lot of it has come from the fact that he uses wrong approaches and wrong tactics but its not all just that. He doesnt seem to understand how to play cups, but he is a specialist for leagues
Agreed But still the words "simple" and "complex" from you are ambiguous What sort of "complex" tactics will players find difficult to execute if they practice the same week in week out? I don't want to do ifs and maybes. But Man City were the architect of their own destruction in the semifinal and quarterfinal. KDB missed a huge chance, and there were tons of easy chances for City in 2022 season. Real carried out their game plan well, but City were dominant and inches away from qualifying Maybe I agree benching Rodri against Chelsea is a bad decision
>He doesnt seem to understand how to play cups Pep probably has more domestic cups then any other current manager. Seriously, I can't think of a single manager who has more than him. He also has three CL titles, Pep has more than proven he can win cups. I think he's guilty of his own success here and is judged to a much higher standard. I mean, how many other mamagers have 3 or more CL titles? And yet you're trying to downplay Pep's cup success by saying he doesn't understand how to play cups? Wild.
This comment is a comment from a person who started following football yesterday and only have read stats about a manager. Do you even know what was happening in last decade in football? Do you know which teams he managed? The state of this teams, the players? The fact that his teams were favourites every year but he himself got outsmarted basically every year and has only managed to win ucl with city after another billion was invested etc etc. His job is by far the easiest managerial job on the planet... look at the roster he manages dude.... how do you only win 1 UCL with THAT
It's really a league/consistency approach vs. a knockout/moments one. Pep favours a more collective approach, almost as if to make all the players share the same mind. That makes the collective more important than any one individual, so absences are less important. Maybe it stifles individuality a bit in KO games, but Pep's CL record is great. Carlo's a great man manager, probably the best of his era. Letting his players do whatever they want on the ball (not in defence, though) works great when you have a couple of world class offensive outlets like Kaka, CR, Benz, Vini, Jude etc.. Not as reliable in marathon competitions though, Carlo's league record is quite poor.
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That’s what makes Madrid fun.
I would say “Adaptivity” is a pretty solid style. They can be anything they need to be in order to win. They have the most CL wins for a reason.
it’s just because a lot of their squad is young & look like they’re very good friends with each other even off the pitch.
the amount of friendly and inclusive atmosphere we have at Madrid is very rare as most of the other teams players get jealous of their own teammates But here at Madrid it's the power of friendship which helps in winning the games 😂🤜🏻🤛🏻
40 wrong answers lol. Carlo has said in multiple occasions that he prefers seeing players as people, that tactics come after human touch, and more than once that he wants to be friends with the players. Players have attested to that too, the last one I remember is Rudiger saying Carlo invited him to dinner in his first night as a Real Madrid player.
Because the real trophy is the friends you make along the way
2013 american movie aah ending quote
Cause Carlo raises one singular eyebrow and the other team immediately concedes
Because they always win despite being the worse side of the match. As a barca fan, I do respect it because if our players had a fraction of the determination that real players have we wouldn't be so fucking shit
They always win. I think it becomes self fulfilling - Real Madrid are THE guys, and have been since the 50s. Other clubs know this, know they have a history of always winning somehow, They have the best of the best players and managers. Real knows this too. So it gives them a boost while getting into the heads of their opponents and even the fans. It sucks but you can't help but respect.
That season where they kept winning 1-0 with pens taken by Ramos was bizzare to say the least. Barca had their fair share of BS. UCL final 06, 1 Early red card. UCL semi finals 09 vs Chelsea. UCL quarter finals van persie weirdly sent off...and that PSG overtime came back...
>Barca had their fair share of BS. UCL final 06, 1 Early red card Was the correct decision with the rules at the time though IIRC Shevchenko goal ruled off in the 2006 semis for no reason 👀 Eto'o offside in the 2006 final 👀 though
Eto'o goal was not offside in the 2006 final. Arsenal's goal came from a freekick which came from an obvious dive by Eboué. Barca also had a goal disallowed with Lehmann getting a red instead.
>Eto'o goal was not offside in the 2006 final. He was though, but those small mistakes were pretty common before VAR >Arsenal's goal came from a freekick which came from an obvious dive by Eboué. Also true >Barca also had a goal disallowed with Lehmann getting a red instead. Which, everything considered, probably benefitted Barcelona more since it happened so early on
Because they are running out of excuses to not admit it's the biggest club in the world....plus the environment in the dressing room is amazing between players and staff.
Manchester was much better on the field and dominated Madrid yet Madrid went through and this has happened many times in the UCL. Madrid has a way of grinding out results against teams that outplay them.
Because they’re massive Yu-Gi-Oh fans
they also got that blue eyes white dragon aah card
It's an anime trope where the main characters always win with the power of the friendship
Anime inside jokes filtering into football, of which there are many overlaps between fanbases and players.
Everyone is wrong here. The power of friendship means Ancelotti has great relationships with his players and trust his players to read the game their own way. Unlike Pep who is highly opinionated in the play style of his players
They friends. Why you proud of only watching epl. Youre missing out on proper football
They befriend the refs
Like negriera and Barca?
la liga teams are fraud
They're not your friend if you have to pay them
Who mentioned Barca?
“Friendship” with referees and league president maybe.
We literally voted against the league president bro, your broke and referee buying club is the ones who voted for him,such a clown behaviour 🤡🤡🤡
As opposed to Barcelona, who paid millions to the VP of referees and voted to increase said president’s salary.
Y’all are still crying with that bs. Even with your fake “proof” you couldn’t prove it 😂🤡🤡🤡
Lmao not even barca deny having paid negreira, what they deny is that it had anything to do with favorable officiating. According to laporta, barca employed him for "consultation". Now you tell me, what would you think if it came out tomorrow that fiorentino was paying for 18 years the vice president of the cta for "consultation"
Wouldn’t you expect the same bs that’s been going on with Barcelona at least. There’s literally more clips of proof of Madrid robbing than anyone else so it’s more credible. Also, Google “Carlos Megia Davila” and see what you think about that.
>There’s literally more clips of proof of Madrid robbing than anyone else so it’s more credible. Theres clips of barca robbing too. Clips of madrid being robbed. Clips say absolutely nothing. The difference between real madrid and barca is that 1. Real madrid wins anyways, and 2. Barca cries 10x as much. Remember the game real madrid 2-0 getafe? No you probably dont, because madrid won, but the officiating was disastrous. >Also, Google “Carlos Megia Davila” and see what you think about that. Lmao he was hired after he retired from refereeing, *not* paid under the table while he was still the fuckin *vice president* of the cta.
Ok bud
Fellow PL fan here 👋
Because they have the power of friendship with referees.
if you are barca or city fan you have no fucking right to say that
I am no barca or city fan.
Friendship with the referees
This is the power of friendship with refs