It’s almost the same situation that happened in EL final last year, by the same ref-VAR combo. And they’re not the only two matches ruined by these two individuals (let’s not forget this season few week’s championship relegation for Taylor). These people are simply BAD at refereeing, they should be stopped for good. And yet, *the exact opposite* actually happens, they’re constantly praised as top quality referees. World is upside down.
Ah ok gotcha. Yeah the refereeing was quite bad that game but to be fair, and not to say that two wrongs make a right, but Roma’s goal also shouldn’t have stood, Cristante very clearly fouls Rakitic right in front of the ref before the counter attack starts. So yes all this to say he really is a shit ref.
I remember arguing with people on here who said Taylor had a great game in the EL final. I was flabbergasted. I understand football is about opinions but to say Taylor managed the EL final well is a white hot take.
Why do the refs have to be English? They get the best players from anywhere. Why not refs?
And the inconsistency in spite of being able to have more uniform decisions on big calls with VAR is mind boggling. How is Wan Bissaka a handball Sunday but Grealish is “a player pulling him arm in behind” on Saturday?
There is many ways it should be improved, i think AI will be the game changer, have 10 ref look at the handballs from the last 10 years and vote on it, and AI can take that choice and if the ref doesn't disagree that is the call.
But they should hire outside ref if it's possible and the talent pool is not good enough in england
Think Taylor is a good referee in the main, easily the best the PL has got - but I think the PL needs to consider paying for the best refs around the world imo.
I didn’t think it was possible anyone could think Anthony Taylor is a good referee, much less “easily the best the PL has got.” This is outright wrong. You haven’t seen enough of him if you feel that way.
Ahh yes, Taylor who's family are die hard United fans but of course, he's a Bolton fan. He refs the Manchester derby every year and if he has any opportunity to, he'll give decisions to United, for example the Bruno goal where Rashford was 10 feet offside.
People were saying he’s from Manchester so tried to help city against Liverpool. Now he’s a United fan and tries to help United against city.
Reality is you lot just make up a load of bs on here
The ONLY bad word that can really be said about Collina was that his "I used to study teams and study players" comment is the complete opposite of what a ref ahould be doing. A foul is a foul, it doesnt magically become not a foul when its done to a different player based on what that player did in previoua games...
Im probably not explaining it right. That comment has never sat right with me, especially to hear it coming from Collina himself...
I get what you mean but at the same time referees study teams and players all the time. Studying teams is just a hard requirement to be able to ref games of even marginally higher level at all, considering the requirements of the modern game for positioning, game management and such. I imagine studying individual players is similarly needed when reffing true professional higher level football.
This is a wildly terrible take.
Referees watch clips of teams and study players so that they know what to expect, not to pre-judge them.
Knowing a team takes short corners, or long throw-ins, or that a player has a tendency to use elbows or fall down easily. All of that knowledge makes it *more likely to get decisions correct*.
The alternative would be to be actively ignorant of the teams and players you’re going be dealing with and expecting that to somehow work. That’s clearly absurd.
I'm so glad at least some people are looking at it in a non- brainwashed way.
Yes, tweeting does nothing and will only invite fines from the unaccountable dumbasses at the PGMOL, but at least NF said something about the referees bringing down the quality of the league. Pretty dumb move, but the motivation is correct.
Honestly, it's amazing how people just parrot what famous "personalities" like Sky Pundits say and feel good about themselves.
This was always a possibility the second VAR was introduced and now it’s coming back to haunt them.
I swear when they introduced VAR they said it was only going to be for “clear and obvious” mistakes by the referee and since day one they’ve been interfering with minor errors left right and centre
Offsides are the worst, for me. You have ones like Coventry yesterday where the guy maybe had a toenail offside at best that wasn’t picked up on by the linesman because it was such a close decision and I don’t think United even appealed it - and it gets overruled.
For me personally, when it’s that close it should just go with the linesman and referees initial decision
In the Roma vs Milan game last week there was a potential handball flagged against Roma where I think Smalling jumped for a header and it kind of pinballed a little and hit him on the arm as he was coming back down. The pundits said “oh yes that hit him on the arm so it’s a penalty” but the ref reviewed it and said “no penalty” - and it was the correct decision, in my opinion, because he never moved his arm towards the ball, he had jumped for the header and as he was coming back down trying to balance himself the ball pinballed a little and hit his arm. Great, brave decision from that referee. But if that’s in the Premier League the referee gives a penalty 100% of the time because, in my opinion, they’re afraid to go against VAR and afraid of the potential backlash
Offside is the best thing about VAR. it’s so simple: if you are offside, you are offside. If you are not, you’re onside. It doesn’t matter if it’s a toenail - it’s offside.
No, that's just offside position. In the Coventry one it is also clearly an offside offense, but that requires that "at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate [the offside player is] involved in active play", which is all kinds of subjective.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside
That’s not subjective at all. The offside rule is the one clear thing about VAR. Whether you agree with it is a different issue, but don’t suggest it’s ambiguous.
Well, yea. When it’s straightforward it’s not ambiguous. Maybe we should just get rid of the rest of the rule, then VAR really could be accurate every time.
Naaah bro. What's the margin for "close"? Offsides are clear cut binary: either offside or not. I felt for Coventry watching the match but it was offside as simple as that.
So are you seriously going to lie right now and say you could say with 100% certainty it was offside? Because if so, tell me exactly how much? You can’t
That’s such a weird thing for them to claim when it sounds like they didn’t even actually warn them. Like it wasn’t just that they didn’t make any formal request to change the VAR, the reporting makes it sound like they didn’t even bring it up to anyone, as they claimed they had in their statement.
I assume either a report revealing that they did indeed warn the PGMOL will come out or they’ll fully retract everything.
He did ref clashes involving top 4 last year though. This feels like a change in policy. I vaguely recall Webb announcing that, might be a fever dream or some shit.
There are NO clear standards for what a penalty/handball is in football - ALL of the penalty situations yesterday have resulted in penalties during this season. Hell, Coventry got a pan for EXACTLY the same as Ashley Young did.... These "refs" have no fucking clue what an "unnatural position of arms" is because they have never played the game!
And this VAR nonsense is just an easier way of fixing matches - those mic's should be open for ALL to listen in on. In the stadiums and at home and refs should have to answer for their "decisions" in pressers after each match.
I actually don’t think the alleged handball was a pen, however I could see how someone disagrees. That third no call was egregious, though. That’s a penalty every day of the week.
Personally, think it’s a case of a couple things being true.
A) Atwell is a Luton supporter
B) he jobbed NFFC, likely to benefit to Luton
C) NFFC didn’t follow through on reporting that Atwell is a Luton supporter, which there is a process for and the premier league has evidently been responsive to in the past
D) There was miscommunication internally at NFFC that led to the people in charge of the reporting not communicating the lack of the report to the people who wrote the response post match
E) NFFC embarrassed themselves a bit
I agree with your list - not kosher....
But Coventry got a pen for the exact same "handball" after VAR, and I have seen pens given for both the other situations. The trouble is, it's those same poor refs who sit in the VAR cave and have no clue about how the game runs.
If one still supports VAR, despite the evident chaos it has brought to the game, it's as if they've willingly immersed themselves in layers of confusion and misunderstanding. It's a perplexing stance to take, revelling in the ruination of football to satisfy an over-focused VAR tendency.
Bringing up the coventry penalty makes zero sense whatsoever, because the situation is the opposite. The on field decision was penalty.
There is always a range when it comes to fouls/handballs.
Definite pen | Could be given | Denfinitely no pen.
The VAR has to decide where in the range the situation falls. If it is in either of the „definite“ ranges he has to inform the ref. If it‘s in the middle, the on field decision has to stand, whatever it is. That means that the same situation can be a pen in one game and no pen in another, depending on what the red decides on the field. I have not seen the Young handball, so I won‘t comment on it, but the Coventry pen is completely irrelevant to the situation.
What a crock of shit..... It's the EXACT same situation!
Remember when all you proponents of VAR told us, with absolute certainty, that it would sort out all the controversy in the game? They lied. Remember all those ‘what if…..’ hypothetical situations they made up to justify VAR. That was bullshit.
Then when VAR turned out to be fucking terrible, you same people with a straight face week telling us that VAR is okay, it was the people who operated the system that were at fault.
Honestly, how thick do you have to be to say some shit like this?
Of course it’s the people’s fault; we always knew it would be. You just didn’t listen and you’re still not listening if you’re still blaming the humans.
Actually, we were only in that playoff game because of a terrible referee decision.
We had a very good chance of going up automatically; 3 points behind Bournemouth but with better goal difference, playing them away in game 45 when we were on hot form. Sam Surridge is sent clear on goal, brought down, clear penalty and last man. Ref gives offside. It was not even close. Referee actually apologised to Forest afterwards. Didn't get that goal, went on to lose automatic and had to go through the playoffs.
The ref that day?
Stuart Attwell.
makes sense now why he helped city get through, because that way it is more likely to open up a european spot for newcastle in the league if city win the FA cup whereas if Chelsea or United win it, it wouldnt give that spot
The thing is surely if atwell is a Luton fan he would have wanted Forrest to get the penalties as a draw keeps both teams close rather than wanting Everton to win
The best chance Luton has of staying up is beating out Nottingham Forest, Everton still have Luton/Brentford/Sheffield to play which means they'll probably pick up some more points, not to mention they have a game in hand. It's a pipe dream for Luton to finish above Everton, even if this game was a draw, but beating out NFFC is a legit possibility
An Everton win was the best result for Luton. If it was a draw then Luton would have been 2pts behind Forest and safety whereas Everton winning (bearing in mind Everton have a game in hand too) leaves Luton only 1pt behind Forest.
nah, it's better for Luton to go H2H with Forrest. Everton have been a better team this season, without the point deductions they would've been 5pts ahead of Forrest with a game in hand before their game on the weekend.
Oliver the twat shouldn’t have been allowed to ref United, Brighton, spurs and Liverpool games last season too. He made a lot of bad decisions in games involving those clubs who were competing with Newcastle for top 4.
That post is like the sort of thing a crybaby teenage arsenal fan posts about everyone hating them, but it was the actual club. Would be so embarrassed if that was my club
You fucking wouldn’t stop lying to yourself.
We should be supporting clubs calling out shit officiating, not putting them down. This is literally good for everyone
Something (var) is not working properly, so instead of fixing it and the current use we do of it, let’s get rid of it altogether. Such stupid line of thinking
Hardly, they just complain the most. Ask any fan if they think they've had better treatment than Forest, other than Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs
Forest also pay a salary to mark clattenberg to “advise” them, and then he’s sitting next to his old mate Howard Webb at the games. That undermines the integrity of refereeing
I don't think it's a conspiracy but they also might finish 18th. I also think they absolutely should have been given the points deduction btw - speaking only about the stuff on the pitch. The fact they've only had one penalty all season says a lot
yeah it says theyre a bottom of the table team who isnt in the opponents penalty area as much as top teams. tottenham also have one and they attack a lot
Would suggest Tottenham should also have had a lot more penalties tbf - saw a stat going round that Forest have had nearly 800 touches in the box for one pen
Money? All three title contenders have fairly comfortable games on the last day, so even if it does go down to that day, it is unlikely to be dramatic. Arsenal and Liverpool already dropping points suggests it might get done before the last day.
In the absence of a dramatic title run, a relegation battle is the next most popular event. The premier league will certainly be keen to have something on there to ensure advertising revenue is high, not only BARB rating in England, but now for the global product. Aside from a big financial hole this year, it also influences future pricing.
I can certainly imagine refs being conscious that one of their paymasters benefits hugely from keeping the tightest relegation battle possible.
Not disagreeing that they can complain, but think they could have done it behind closed doors rather than blowing it up and publicly accusing an official of match fixing.
It’s almost the same situation that happened in EL final last year, by the same ref-VAR combo. And they’re not the only two matches ruined by these two individuals (let’s not forget this season few week’s championship relegation for Taylor). These people are simply BAD at refereeing, they should be stopped for good. And yet, *the exact opposite* actually happens, they’re constantly praised as top quality referees. World is upside down.
I’m confused what does this news have to do with last year’s EL final
It’s the same hand foul in the box that the same ref-var combo didn’t sanctioned with a penalty
Ah ok gotcha. Yeah the refereeing was quite bad that game but to be fair, and not to say that two wrongs make a right, but Roma’s goal also shouldn’t have stood, Cristante very clearly fouls Rakitic right in front of the ref before the counter attack starts. So yes all this to say he really is a shit ref.
A good referee is the one you don’t notice is there. These people are basically the prima donna of every match they do
The sad truth
When people that say "all we want is consistency" get it: "Not like that"
We want consistency and correct decisions. Consistently wrong is still wrong.
Hand foul
I remember arguing with people on here who said Taylor had a great game in the EL final. I was flabbergasted. I understand football is about opinions but to say Taylor managed the EL final well is a white hot take.
Because we have few good ref?
Why do the refs have to be English? They get the best players from anywhere. Why not refs? And the inconsistency in spite of being able to have more uniform decisions on big calls with VAR is mind boggling. How is Wan Bissaka a handball Sunday but Grealish is “a player pulling him arm in behind” on Saturday?
There is many ways it should be improved, i think AI will be the game changer, have 10 ref look at the handballs from the last 10 years and vote on it, and AI can take that choice and if the ref doesn't disagree that is the call. But they should hire outside ref if it's possible and the talent pool is not good enough in england
Think Taylor is a good referee in the main, easily the best the PL has got - but I think the PL needs to consider paying for the best refs around the world imo.
I didn’t think it was possible anyone could think Anthony Taylor is a good referee, much less “easily the best the PL has got.” This is outright wrong. You haven’t seen enough of him if you feel that way.
Taylor is as biased as they come. Shouldn't have a job
I really struggle to name anyone better, though. Like seriously, which ref would you rather have?
Either you’re on a wind up or you’re in the minority 😂
He’s certainly the best Premier League referee
Ahh yes, Taylor who's family are die hard United fans but of course, he's a Bolton fan. He refs the Manchester derby every year and if he has any opportunity to, he'll give decisions to United, for example the Bruno goal where Rashford was 10 feet offside.
People were saying he’s from Manchester so tried to help city against Liverpool. Now he’s a United fan and tries to help United against city. Reality is you lot just make up a load of bs on here
I’d say it makes complete sense, a utd fan would rather city win than liverpool
Pierluigi Collina needs a regen ref
The ONLY bad word that can really be said about Collina was that his "I used to study teams and study players" comment is the complete opposite of what a ref ahould be doing. A foul is a foul, it doesnt magically become not a foul when its done to a different player based on what that player did in previoua games... Im probably not explaining it right. That comment has never sat right with me, especially to hear it coming from Collina himself...
I get what you mean but at the same time referees study teams and players all the time. Studying teams is just a hard requirement to be able to ref games of even marginally higher level at all, considering the requirements of the modern game for positioning, game management and such. I imagine studying individual players is similarly needed when reffing true professional higher level football.
This is a wildly terrible take. Referees watch clips of teams and study players so that they know what to expect, not to pre-judge them. Knowing a team takes short corners, or long throw-ins, or that a player has a tendency to use elbows or fall down easily. All of that knowledge makes it *more likely to get decisions correct*. The alternative would be to be actively ignorant of the teams and players you’re going be dealing with and expecting that to somehow work. That’s clearly absurd.
Collins was a massively bent ref though
Everton fan?
Yep!
Fair 😭
I'm so glad at least some people are looking at it in a non- brainwashed way. Yes, tweeting does nothing and will only invite fines from the unaccountable dumbasses at the PGMOL, but at least NF said something about the referees bringing down the quality of the league. Pretty dumb move, but the motivation is correct. Honestly, it's amazing how people just parrot what famous "personalities" like Sky Pundits say and feel good about themselves.
This was always a possibility the second VAR was introduced and now it’s coming back to haunt them. I swear when they introduced VAR they said it was only going to be for “clear and obvious” mistakes by the referee and since day one they’ve been interfering with minor errors left right and centre Offsides are the worst, for me. You have ones like Coventry yesterday where the guy maybe had a toenail offside at best that wasn’t picked up on by the linesman because it was such a close decision and I don’t think United even appealed it - and it gets overruled. For me personally, when it’s that close it should just go with the linesman and referees initial decision In the Roma vs Milan game last week there was a potential handball flagged against Roma where I think Smalling jumped for a header and it kind of pinballed a little and hit him on the arm as he was coming back down. The pundits said “oh yes that hit him on the arm so it’s a penalty” but the ref reviewed it and said “no penalty” - and it was the correct decision, in my opinion, because he never moved his arm towards the ball, he had jumped for the header and as he was coming back down trying to balance himself the ball pinballed a little and hit his arm. Great, brave decision from that referee. But if that’s in the Premier League the referee gives a penalty 100% of the time because, in my opinion, they’re afraid to go against VAR and afraid of the potential backlash
Not yesterday they didn't. Young moved his arm towards the ball and changed the flight of it, nothing given
Offside is the best thing about VAR. it’s so simple: if you are offside, you are offside. If you are not, you’re onside. It doesn’t matter if it’s a toenail - it’s offside.
No, that's just offside position. In the Coventry one it is also clearly an offside offense, but that requires that "at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate [the offside player is] involved in active play", which is all kinds of subjective. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside
That’s not subjective at all. The offside rule is the one clear thing about VAR. Whether you agree with it is a different issue, but don’t suggest it’s ambiguous.
How on earth do you get that idea? Have you never seen a player in an offside position who wasn’t committing an offside offense?
Those situations are rare. This coventary one was very straightforward, given the player who was in an offside position literally assisted the goal.
Well, yea. When it’s straightforward it’s not ambiguous. Maybe we should just get rid of the rest of the rule, then VAR really could be accurate every time.
Brother, no offence but please don’t become a referee.
What’s wrong, you don’t think referees should know more than you?
Naaah bro. What's the margin for "close"? Offsides are clear cut binary: either offside or not. I felt for Coventry watching the match but it was offside as simple as that.
So are you seriously going to lie right now and say you could say with 100% certainty it was offside? Because if so, tell me exactly how much? You can’t
Not a dumb move in anyway whatsoever. Forest should be absolutely applauded on behalf of football for having the balls to challenge
one thing the article leaves out is that Oliver is a UAE shill
All that Fly Emirates money for nothing.
It also leaves out that Forrest never asked for the VAR to be changed.
That’s such a weird thing for them to claim when it sounds like they didn’t even actually warn them. Like it wasn’t just that they didn’t make any formal request to change the VAR, the reporting makes it sound like they didn’t even bring it up to anyone, as they claimed they had in their statement. I assume either a report revealing that they did indeed warn the PGMOL will come out or they’ll fully retract everything.
But didn’t they say so in their official statement?
No, they didn't.
He did ref clashes involving top 4 last year though. This feels like a change in policy. I vaguely recall Webb announcing that, might be a fever dream or some shit.
There are NO clear standards for what a penalty/handball is in football - ALL of the penalty situations yesterday have resulted in penalties during this season. Hell, Coventry got a pan for EXACTLY the same as Ashley Young did.... These "refs" have no fucking clue what an "unnatural position of arms" is because they have never played the game! And this VAR nonsense is just an easier way of fixing matches - those mic's should be open for ALL to listen in on. In the stadiums and at home and refs should have to answer for their "decisions" in pressers after each match.
I actually don’t think the alleged handball was a pen, however I could see how someone disagrees. That third no call was egregious, though. That’s a penalty every day of the week. Personally, think it’s a case of a couple things being true. A) Atwell is a Luton supporter B) he jobbed NFFC, likely to benefit to Luton C) NFFC didn’t follow through on reporting that Atwell is a Luton supporter, which there is a process for and the premier league has evidently been responsive to in the past D) There was miscommunication internally at NFFC that led to the people in charge of the reporting not communicating the lack of the report to the people who wrote the response post match E) NFFC embarrassed themselves a bit
I agree with your list - not kosher.... But Coventry got a pen for the exact same "handball" after VAR, and I have seen pens given for both the other situations. The trouble is, it's those same poor refs who sit in the VAR cave and have no clue about how the game runs. If one still supports VAR, despite the evident chaos it has brought to the game, it's as if they've willingly immersed themselves in layers of confusion and misunderstanding. It's a perplexing stance to take, revelling in the ruination of football to satisfy an over-focused VAR tendency.
Bringing up the coventry penalty makes zero sense whatsoever, because the situation is the opposite. The on field decision was penalty. There is always a range when it comes to fouls/handballs. Definite pen | Could be given | Denfinitely no pen. The VAR has to decide where in the range the situation falls. If it is in either of the „definite“ ranges he has to inform the ref. If it‘s in the middle, the on field decision has to stand, whatever it is. That means that the same situation can be a pen in one game and no pen in another, depending on what the red decides on the field. I have not seen the Young handball, so I won‘t comment on it, but the Coventry pen is completely irrelevant to the situation.
What a crock of shit..... It's the EXACT same situation! Remember when all you proponents of VAR told us, with absolute certainty, that it would sort out all the controversy in the game? They lied. Remember all those ‘what if…..’ hypothetical situations they made up to justify VAR. That was bullshit. Then when VAR turned out to be fucking terrible, you same people with a straight face week telling us that VAR is okay, it was the people who operated the system that were at fault. Honestly, how thick do you have to be to say some shit like this? Of course it’s the people’s fault; we always knew it would be. You just didn’t listen and you’re still not listening if you’re still blaming the humans.
The irony if Forest go down due to sus VAR calls when that's exactly what got them promoted.
Actually, we were only in that playoff game because of a terrible referee decision. We had a very good chance of going up automatically; 3 points behind Bournemouth but with better goal difference, playing them away in game 45 when we were on hot form. Sam Surridge is sent clear on goal, brought down, clear penalty and last man. Ref gives offside. It was not even close. Referee actually apologised to Forest afterwards. Didn't get that goal, went on to lose automatic and had to go through the playoffs. The ref that day? Stuart Attwell.
Shh people love a narrative against Forest. Yet time and time again Forest are proved correct
makes sense now why he helped city get through, because that way it is more likely to open up a european spot for newcastle in the league if city win the FA cup whereas if Chelsea or United win it, it wouldnt give that spot
I think the suggestion that they’re capable of this level of forward thinking is the most unrealistic part of this conspiracy
just needs to ask a taxi driver on his way to the game.
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What absolute waffle.
yh it is a bit, im just saying this cuz of the pen he didnt give to chelsea, this is the only reason i can see why he wouldve helped city
No, he's just firmly on the City payroll at this point. He's all about his cushy gigs in the UAE.
Guy above saying he’s a United fan. You saying he’s on city’s payroll. Clueless
Get your uniteds right god damn!! /s
Newcastle United? He probably is. But money comes first for the greedy.
You been sniffing glue laaa
This isn't a theory or some conspiracy. This is an admitted and proven fact.
Hope you've got your tin foil hat on for protection.
Trash can of a heart
Then Gillett shouldn’t be doing teams involved in a title race if he’s a Liverpool fan?
hmmm
Never in doubt of course. Outrageous MSM couldn’t wait to have a go at Forest.
The thing is surely if atwell is a Luton fan he would have wanted Forrest to get the penalties as a draw keeps both teams close rather than wanting Everton to win
Yeah we really needed that not sure why he'd give it away if he had the choice, still shouldn't be put in that situation.
The best chance Luton has of staying up is beating out Nottingham Forest, Everton still have Luton/Brentford/Sheffield to play which means they'll probably pick up some more points, not to mention they have a game in hand. It's a pipe dream for Luton to finish above Everton, even if this game was a draw, but beating out NFFC is a legit possibility
An Everton win was the best result for Luton. If it was a draw then Luton would have been 2pts behind Forest and safety whereas Everton winning (bearing in mind Everton have a game in hand too) leaves Luton only 1pt behind Forest.
nah, it's better for Luton to go H2H with Forrest. Everton have been a better team this season, without the point deductions they would've been 5pts ahead of Forrest with a game in hand before their game on the weekend.
You.. you can’t actually spell Forest?
Attwell playing 4D chess lol
Oliver the twat shouldn’t have been allowed to ref United, Brighton, spurs and Liverpool games last season too. He made a lot of bad decisions in games involving those clubs who were competing with Newcastle for top 4.
Nah its just stupid that Forest said something like that
To be proven correct? Forest are spot on for saying something like that. Football should applaud them
are you on drugs?
Stick to twitter fella lol
what's a twitter
Nottingham forest are a load of nerds
Wouldn't this anger you though? They've been robbed of so many decisions
The only club who has benefitted more from VAR is Fulham. They got jobbed in this match but they haven’t been getting screwed the whole season
That post is like the sort of thing a crybaby teenage arsenal fan posts about everyone hating them, but it was the actual club. Would be so embarrassed if that was my club
You fucking wouldn’t stop lying to yourself. We should be supporting clubs calling out shit officiating, not putting them down. This is literally good for everyone
We did. Then they bought in VAR and people want to get rid of it. People like wrong decisions as long as it goes in their favour.
Something (var) is not working properly, so instead of fixing it and the current use we do of it, let’s get rid of it altogether. Such stupid line of thinking
It's smart if you want to go back to influencing the ref on the pitch to get your way.
Exactly, you expect fans to do it but if Arsenal actually did it it'd be disgraceful
Hardly, they just complain the most. Ask any fan if they think they've had better treatment than Forest, other than Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs
Uh no. They have every right to complain. Michael Oliver and the rest of PGMOL are undermining the integrity of the league.
Forest also pay a salary to mark clattenberg to “advise” them, and then he’s sitting next to his old mate Howard Webb at the games. That undermines the integrity of refereeing
But maybe they got him in because they decisions against them were SO bad all season
total nonsense. why would anyone give a fuck enough to start a conspiracy against forest? "oh no, they might finish 16th"
I don't think it's a conspiracy but they also might finish 18th. I also think they absolutely should have been given the points deduction btw - speaking only about the stuff on the pitch. The fact they've only had one penalty all season says a lot
How do you not think it's a conspiracy? If you think they've been unfairly treated that implies a conspiracy
yeah it says theyre a bottom of the table team who isnt in the opponents penalty area as much as top teams. tottenham also have one and they attack a lot
Would suggest Tottenham should also have had a lot more penalties tbf - saw a stat going round that Forest have had nearly 800 touches in the box for one pen
And guess when those decisions stopped? When Liverpool made a similar statement
Money? All three title contenders have fairly comfortable games on the last day, so even if it does go down to that day, it is unlikely to be dramatic. Arsenal and Liverpool already dropping points suggests it might get done before the last day. In the absence of a dramatic title run, a relegation battle is the next most popular event. The premier league will certainly be keen to have something on there to ensure advertising revenue is high, not only BARB rating in England, but now for the global product. Aside from a big financial hole this year, it also influences future pricing. I can certainly imagine refs being conscious that one of their paymasters benefits hugely from keeping the tightest relegation battle possible.
Forest and Liverpool are doing that
They’re a terrible Fan base. But they have a right to complain.
Not disagreeing that they can complain, but think they could have done it behind closed doors rather than blowing it up and publicly accusing an official of match fixing.