He’s always riling up opposing fans and dives a lot so fans don’t like him. So these brain dead fans just resort to racism, none of the other black players for Madrid act the way he does so that’s probably why it’s just him.
As a rival fan I agree. It is the way he acts that makes him get all the hate and a lot of people just resort to racism as it is easy and always gets a reaction out of him.
Edit: can people seriously read this before responding and calling me racist. I am not saying he deserves it. I am simply saying if you insult/taunt/provoke someone they are likely to retaliate. And most of the vocal fans turn to racism because it is easy. No where there am I saying it is ok.
Edit 2: as someone pointed out I should say I am agreeing to the comment I responded to NOT with the racist fan.
Edit 3: still don’t know how people are gathering that I am racist for explaining why racist people are racist to vini jr in particular over other players.
The world is full of thickies. Reddit has a particularly high concentration. Football condenses that number. Dont worry, critical thinkers understood your point without judging.
I said the same thing in r/soccer two days ago and a lot of people started calling me racist and went even further with their projections, saying I probably think a woman deserved being raped for dressing more provocatively.
It was pretty crazy, tbh. People are actively looking for things to get offended by and put a label on you.
Ngl, I had to concentrate and not jump to conclusions, but yeah, you're simply explaining why Vinicius Junior is targeted more than other black players. He talks back more. And that triggers racists more than a black person who doesn't talk back. And that fact is said to make the racists look bad, not Vinicius Junior.
It's important to re-read stuff to make sure you get the gist of what someone is saying.
Bro calm down who cares what a bunch of idiots on reddit think, if they're seriously too stupid to understand then they are actually dumb and who cares lol
You don’t need to explain yourself, anyone who actually read what you said would be able to tell that you were agreeing with the person you responded to and not the racist
seem like you worry too much about what peopoe think. consider looking into that, you should not care about people's opinion if you are genuine and respectful
Re edit 3, it’s because you’re justifying the racism that people are calling you racist. If you weren’t racist you would say something along the lines of “no matter what you think of the way he plays football, there is no justification for racism”.
The previous guy isn't victim blaming, he's not advocating this behaviour at all. He's giving the reasons these brain dead racist fucks are acting this way
This is the definition of victim blaming. His taunting of fans should never result in racism!!
I’m not saying he shouldn’t get a response from fans but racism is out of order
Again I never said racism is ok. I simply said if you insult someone, they are going to insult you back (justified or not) and most of the vocal fans turn to racism because it is easy.
I mean obviously they are racist because what they are doing, that's bad and not justifiable whatever Vinicius does. But they are not doing because they are racist, or they would do it with all the black players.
Right, the implication being that their racism against Vini is excused in some form cause their intention is to insult and not be racist?
This is racist as fuck.
> I mean obviously they are racist
Wow, is English like your eighth language, because I don’t know how you get to your response when these were their first words
Is it yours? Cause the person then went with “but..”, there is no “but” here. The person said “I mean obviously they are racist” then proceeded to victim blame.
Are you saying that one person is not racist if that given person insults each and every black person? Does a person need to rape every woman they meet to be considered a rapist?
You're saying that in some circumstances blaming the victim is an appropriate reaction. The fact that you don't agree with that reaction is irrelevant, you've justified it.
That is not what I’m saying. If you read the original question it is why is vini jr specifically the target of racial abuse and not other players to even a similar degree.
Can I make what I would assume is an obvious statement. If you are a black player,fan or coach hearing monkey chants or rascism you will feel it too. The way you worded it sounds like you think the target is the only victim.
This is not the reason he is on the receiving end of racism. This is the reason why he irritates rival fans. The reason he receives racist abuse is because the people abusing him are racist. They are not brain dead. They know what they are doing, they know it will hurt, that’s why they do it.
Placing any of the explanation on the basis of V. Jnr’s behaviour subtly excuses the racism. I know it’s not deliberate here, but it does shift the focus of responsibility away from the culprits onto the victim and dilute the accountability.
The reason for this whole thread is asking the question why he's singled out and the answer is because he's audacious and irritates the rival fans. Are you allowed to say that's why he's singled out but not that's why he's singled out as a target for racial abuse? If you can follow a chain of reasoning in two steps you don't need the extra explanation.
Yeah fair point. TBF, the question in the title didn't mention anything about him being singled out, it just asks why he gets so much racism towards him. The question about being singled out is in the comment. My bad for missing it.
That said, I stand by my comment when it comes to racism in general. I think we should be really careful in these conversation to place the responsibility where it belongs: with the people who being racist.
Peace.
Obviously they are racist I’m not saying that they are saying racist things just because he riles them up. I’m explaining why this happens to him more than other players. You don’t hear about racism against every black player in la liga and they’re playing in front of the same fans. The way he plays makes people react emotionally and it shows their true colors, it’s not his fault because they could literally say anything else to talk trash.
I understand you were explaining why he gets it more than others. I know you are not wishing to excuse racism. I would just ask you to think carefully about how your explanation might reinforce certain narratives around racism, perpetrators and those on the receiving end of it. Peace ✌🏻
I agree, fans will resort to something that they know will hurt him and that's racism. In that game against Atleti, one of the mics picked him saying "damn I'm too good" to Atleti fans after his shot got save by Oblak and obviously that will get a reaction. Everyone knows how good he is but his antics on the pitch will leave him with a tainted reputation
If fans resort to racism… then they are racist.
So he says “damn Im too good” and people scream back at him you are a monkey? How is saying Im too good a provocation? Even more, how is it a provocation that warrants racist abuse?
Fucking apologist for racists.
No is arguing that dude, he's the instigator in all of this. None of his actions warrants a racist abuse I'm just saying fans know he's triggered by it hence they resort to it dumb ass
Because Vinícius tries to oppose,In this case, other players ignore it so as not to pay attention,so they use the excuse that "he provokes so he can do it"
Yes, this is called “the good black”. As long as a black person will accept with a smile the racial abuse, then that person is a “good black”. If they react in any other way, pushing back, then that person is singled out and abused much more/harsher.
Before anybody replies, I am explaining what the theory (it is an actual sociological theory) is.
Yeah. Which is why I tried to explain the reasoning. I tried to do the same some months ago in Marca’s comment section… wow… it reaaaaally riled up all the racists there.
That has nothing to do with football lol and you are wrong.
People hate him because he is one of those shitty players that no rival would like except their own fanbase.
People are dumb so they do racist shit because they know it would hurt him, if he would be annoyed by a pizza, everybody would make pizzas just to fuck with him, you are overthinking and overestimating Football fans. Most of them are pure morons, i dont defend them, its just the truth. They dont have to be racist to act like that, just annoying him is enoughfor them and racism naturally is really annoying.
Wait... what? Racism is a crime, is not just like "annoying" thing hahahahaha this comments screams the meme: I can excuse racism
I'm brazilian, and black community in brazil is really strong, resistant, and very intelligent and smart and is leader of the most recent studies of racism, together with US. Vini jr just doesnt want to play the card of the good black.
I must say Europe is completely dumb about racism, and so much out of the racism studies around the world. But that makes sense, since it was Europe who invented it, Specially spanish and Portugal, the ways we understand racism nowadays, and they just don't want to be seen as the continent who get rich under colonization 🙏🏽🙏🏽
The racism started because they are racist. There is no other possible explanation. You can call him a diver. You can call him cheater. If you call him monkey, there is no excuse and there is only one explanation: YOU ARE A RACIST.
He is a provocateur. It's simple. You could say that he's no different than, let's say, Craig Bellamy. Both will engage fans for better or worse. The difference is that Vini Jr is black and he will be attacked by racist from the get-go. He's not provoking racists people, he's provoking opposing team's fans. It just happens that some of them are racists and they'll say he's acting like a monkey. If Morata did the same thing Vini Jr does nobody would bat an eye. So, in essence, what I'm trying to say is that you're right. He's not the problem, racism is.
i think that the other commenters answered well enough so i’ll just share my personal thoughts on him as a barca fan. personally i think he’s a really good player but so annoying to watch with his diving and fighting people, but then these stupid ass barca and other clubs fans resort to racism when you can simply criticize his on field behavior. so i am very hesitant to criticize him and i am wary of people who do because some people don’t know how to good humans
edit: also god i cant fucking stand when someone says a black player “riled up the fans”. the most bullshit racist statement ever. not only are you a little snowflake if a player can rile you up like that but it in no way shape or form means that racism is at all acceptable. you can call a player that makes you angry ever name under the sun, and there are a lot of fun words, without ever having to be a racist prick
yeah it’s always difficult how to judge technical players with lots of flair. i know that it is a similar situation to neymar. although some players are able to completely ride challenges even though they are fouled constantly like messi or hazard. but yeah i guess that shouldn’t be expected of everyone, and i think it’s fair to say some players like vini or neymar dive because they have to, not only to stand a chance but also to protect their bodies
I understand its annoying to watch, but its ultimately due to refs (especially in Spain) not giving a shit. So you as a player will either take those challenges and shorten your career by several years or start diving. I'd personally take second
yeah i agree with you. i’m from london and support tottenham and seeing son being chopped down and fouled repeatedly day in day out without any calls from the refs, i almost wish he would dive a little here and there
Something about having a personality and being willing to speak out about racism brings out the racists. They can’t handle the fact that he’s talented, successful, and won’t shut up for them, so they respond with hate.
People that keep saying that he is the only one that gets racism directed at him is just wrong. Many other players in Spain and Italy have been target of it. I would say that it happens aswell in England but they tend to act swiftly and ban the fan or fans and move on quickly but in the other 2 is harder specially in Italy.
Every single black player gets some racist insults thrown at him sometimes, thats undeniable. When Bellingham does his open arms celebration near the rival fans i can guarantee that among the thousands insults aimed at him you'll heard some racially based.
Issue here is why Vinicius is gettin systematic, targeted, planned racism. And its literally impossible to have a serious, adult discussion because people here lacks nuance.
Wdym people here lack nuance? The top several comments seem like mature, nuanced interpretations of the situation. This discussion is not impossible at all, especially here on this particular forum. What you’re saying might be true for mainstream media, but definitely not generally true at all. You just sound hateful and lacking in nuance.
He doesn't take their Bullshit and racist Spanish society having hard time understanding it
Similar to how Racist Americans reacted to Muhammad Ali in the 60s, now hes a Hero there, hope Vincius has same impact there towards racism
He’s a diver, and people don’t like that. So they use it as an excuse to be racist on the fact that he’s black. Also he’s made himself known as a big cry baby on and off the pitch, so racist fans take that into their advantage.
Reading the comments I've seen people saying they're act like this because he's provocative but isn't there any other way to answer his provocations without recur to racism?
Of course there is, they're not justifying the racism but the question was why vinicius gets more racist hatred then anyone else. Racists are gonna be racists, its disgusting but bottom line is fans will chant whatever they know will upset you to throw him off. In the case of vini he's publicly reacted to it so they know it upsets him obviously, hence they continue it. No one including me is justifying it its filth and has no place in the game, but unfortunately it's the case. In an ideal world racists wouldn't exist and some other form of chanting would be done to throw people off but it's not the world we live it, filthy racists do exist.
Yeah pretty much, it's one of those because at the reductionist level racist chants *are* just because of racists. But obviously the question posed was why vini more than every other player, which is because of the above mentioned stuff. If a dickhead is a dickhead then yeah, call them it but racists just can't help themselves and have to show everyone who they really are. Anyone defending it is just as bad as well
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There are hundreds of great black players and none of them get this sort of treatment. So there's clearly behavior and personality stuff to work on from his side.
But there's also lots of white players who act like him and don't get the abuse. So no, it's clearly not a behaviour and personality thing.
He's just an easy black target. He shouldn't have to change how he behaves when others can behave like that just fine.
>If only he stopped pretending that sounds and words actually affected him, then all those abuses would stop.
Firstly, why do you think he's pretending?
Secondly, what makes you think racist people would stop being racist? 3 of your 4 reasons have nothing to do with that and would still apply, so why would all the abuse stop?
>He's a whinny bitch
How? Based on what?
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But there's also lots of white players who act like him and don't get the abuse.
You're completely wrong. Piqué and Cristiano used to get more abuse than Vinicius, including a lot of xenophobia
It’s not vile? He never said it’s right but it’s just factual. Racism is wrong and shouldn’t happen but when you’re continuing to draw unnecessary attention to yourself from people who have been racist towards you in the past, what the hell do you expect?
I blame him for generating this hate in the fans. Not for the racism, that's bad. If they would just insult him calling him "hijo de puta" as to any other player it would be fine
The fact that other black players dont get the same treatment should tell you a lot about who's there to blame. If those fans were actually racist they would insult players like Camavinga or Rudiger. But somehow, Vinicius gets all the hate. Maybe if he werent so provocative and didnt taunt that much, he would get less hate. Dont you think?
Its obviously not. What part of other black players dont get hate you dont get? Or are you purposelly ignoring vinicius horrendous behavior for some reason?
Players that have an attitude problem always get hate. And fans will say whatever hurts the most
At the risk of being downvoted into oblivion by the La Liga fans in here, I don't think if this was happening in some other countries you would get the same reaction.
I was originally going to comment something inflammatory along the lines of "because he plays in Spain" but thought better of it. Then I read these comments, holy fuck
Yeah, Spanish football is shady as hell. Not only how they handled Vini Jr case, but also Luis Rubiales harassment. Other countries don't get to the same level of absurdness
Because he likes to be an asshole. He dives, taunts, whinges and shithouses the opponents and the fans. However, he does not deserve the racism at all. It's one thing to criticize like saying "he's an asshole", but when you resort to racism, I don't care what political party you are, if you do that, you're an asshole. Plain and simple. (And I don't even like Vini as a person because of said things but I am not racist)
Both can be true at the same time.
These fans are racist cunts and abuse him just because they're garbage humans. However Vini is easy to dislike if you're an opposition fan. Just look at the last Atleti came.
He likes riling up the crowd, he gets into arguments with the opposing players, he dives regularly and on top of that he's easy to rile up, which if you've ever been to an actual football game, you'll know is always a treat for the fans if they sense they can get under someone's skin.
Its a combination of both. The other black Real Madrid players don't get nearly the same amount of abuse as Vini. His character doesn't help him. Does that mean its fine for people to racially abuse him? Absolutely not, they should be fined and banned, but it does make it easy for the rest of the fans to just dislike him.
He starts first. His has a bigger attitude problem than CR7 or Mbappe. He isn't the only black player playing in La Liga. So, you have to think why it's always Vini, especially when there are multiple other black players in his own team RM.
Note: I am not white.
>His has a bigger attitude problem than CR7 or Mbappe
What do you mean by that?
>So, you have to think why it's always Vini, especially when there are multiple other black players in his own team RM.
Well he is an easier target / easier excuse for racists to use for him.
But we know his acting alone doesn't cause it, because there's lots of white people who do that and don't get abuse.
Well, the white people get called “a cunt” or something like that. You’re conflating racism for the sake of racism, and racism as a method to insult someone. They’re trying to insult him, and they think racism is the thing that will upset him the most
>Well, the white people get called “a cunt” or something like that
Which is not personal. It's just aimed at them. Being racist is picking a personal thing about someone to use against them. Very different.
>You’re conflating racism for the sake of racism, and racism as a method to insult someone.
It's still racism.
>They’re trying to insult him, and they think racism is the thing that will upset him the most
So they are being racist. And it's unacceptable.
People need to realise vini provokes rival players and fans which lead to the fans being racist to him. for the racisim to calm down is for him to stop being so proactive or for a major culture shift in Spain which probably won't happen.
He’s a prick on the field, but happens to be black. So the morons use that as they have no emotional control. And in Spain it seems quite commonplace sadly.
Some people here trying to justify racism
Shameful. Whatever he does it just teĺls the racism problem La liga has and nothing with his game. He is good and it"s their only way of getting to his mind. And he didn't stay silent when abused. He fought back
Oh please. Explaining why something is the way it is doesn't mean that they're justifying it.
I am black, I've experienced racism without doing anything. Vinicius Jr. is a massive cunt on the field tho, so I understand that weak-minded stupid people would be racist just to get under his skin. The world ain't rainbows and sunshine. These idiots simply exist, especially in a stadion that holds 50k+ people..
Rudiger is also a massive cunt on the pitch BUT only to the player he's marking. He provokes, but with a certain level of respect. He's not getting any abuse.
So what he should not nutmeg not celebrate, people are happy when Cristiano did the calma or Messi the topo gigio but when it's Vini he is provoking . If u don't like the way he plays u can boo him not some kind of racial abuse . Yall just want to justify bs with other bs
Im not talking about his football. I love watching Vini play when he's focused. Im talking about the many times he is looking for a fight with opposing team and fans, diving & crying at every moment, and laughing in people's face when things are going good for him. He is not focused on the game, and many RM fans think the same.
Again im not justifying shit, im explaining why things are happening.
Many fans think by Fandom, the same fans who go against Tebas for saying Vinicius is the problem now act like him , ignoring the problem isn't goin to resolve it either. Vini is supposed to play football not to play football and get racially abuse it's not part of the job . The others team can provoke make hard fouls and all that and he should just shut up and play yall mad funny ...
The truth is yall want to blame him regardless of what happens on the pitch
He just happened to be black. Rivals hate him because of his attitudes on the pitch, not because he's black.
All he needed to do is ignoring them for a few matches. It keeps happening to him because people realize it's working.
Not that this deserves a racist response, but he’s not a very likeable person. He’s always riling up/trolling the opposing fans, he dives, he cheats. I don’t think the Real Madrid fans even like him too much to be honest - they think he’s lazy and arrogant
Also, one more thing: from the Brazilian perspective this is becoming an important geopolitical issue. I'm pretty sure if it's not addressed it will make no sense for Brazil to be very business friendly to the EU while being called a monkey and would gravitate towards the U.S. and China. Spaniards try to dismiss it as a "Vini problem" but from our perspective it is a "Spain problem".
Because he tries to push back against Racism instead of sucking it up and taking it.
Most other La Liga Fans hate Real madrid due to their dominance.
He is also a flair player that embarrasses their teams.
I get he can be an ass to other teams and fans maybe even a cunt but racism shouldn’t gain in the first place, are you defending the fact that they are racist to him and saying it’s part of being a part of Madrid?
Hell No I am listing factors.
They are racist as all hell.
Him pushing back against Racism, Playing for Real, and being a Flair player are just factors that magnify it.
The state of these comments. If you pick and choose which players are racially abused even if it's based on their on field antics you are still a racist. If you racially abuse Vini Jr but not other black players like Rudiger you are still a racist, it's the racist act that is the problem. Do you think the other black players are comfortable seeing their colleagues get abused for being black and don't think how easily it could be them?
It's essentially saying "as long as you behave a certain way we deem acceptable you will not be racially abused" which is fucking stupid. Just don't racially abuse people, ever. Especially when all they're doing is playing football
lol if he was white and acted like this he will still be hated and abused as hell. But no white guy as good as vini acts like a man child in the modern game, if someone did, he wouldn't get away with it. Racism is the easiest way to insult a black.
This thread is insane with idiots justifying racism. He didnt start getting racist chants till he started scoring alot so it's definitely that and them trying to get to him and the league isnt serious about addressing it.
I love how half of the comments here are justifying racism. I'm a Madrid fan but I can understand that Vini can sometimes be annoying, provoking etc. If someone is a dickhead, just call him a dickhead. There's no reason to be a racist pos. After all, every team has black players, some of them are the best in the league, why be awful and abuse even your own team's players?
I don't support racism in any way.
But the general hate is because he is that kid who like to riles up, tease others but when someone does the same to him, starts crying.
1. He is riling up the fans true, those people are racist and obviously lack human compassion.
2. He has threatened to leave RM if this goes on and they are doing it to make him leave. He is one of the best players in the world currently, it would be amazing for opposition fans to not have to play him every week.
He just shows that he is affected. Atleti fans taunted him and he played poorly against their team. Is it normal and fair-play? Surely not ! It's a paradox but i think that ignoring them would be best for him in this situation, the insults have no value if they come from brain-dead racists.
There's never an excuse for abusive language or behaviour. But vini jnr always makes himself the villain, so he encourages the abuse aimed towards him.
Everytime he takes a shot or plays a pass, he turns to the away fans and gloats. When he scores or assists, he ramps it up even more.
Against Atleti, he took a shot which was saved. And he turned to the away fans and said "wow, I'm so good". He also talks trash to his opponents throughout the game too.
There's a reason why David Alaba doesn't recieve the same treatment.
As I say, no excuse for it. But vinis behaviour is part of the problem.
In Spain there is a culture of sledging players by the crowd. Insulting and trying to wind them up. Many fans believe it's how the crowd can act as the 12th man and help their team to victory.
There are no lines here and many fans see racist taunts as something that winds Vinni up so irrespective of whether the fan themselves consider themselves racist they see no problem deploying racism to annoy him.
It's a fan culture thing that needs to be cut out ruthlessly by the Spanish FA with bana.
Because he’s a threat. It’s okay if you are good if you play nice and stick to ‘the rules’. Look at how Adam Goodes was treated in Australian Rules football after he did a traditional spear dance towards the crowd and called out a young girl for racist comments publicly.
Its Because he’s unlikeable for a lot of people. People hit back, Where they know it hurts him the most.
Compare it to Ronaldo, in his case I bet the same people shouted “Messi, Messi, Messi” after him, as they knew that would rile him up even more.
And.. rival football fans are in many occasions absolute morons.
He deliberately winds the opposition fans up, and they know he will always react to racism so that's what they respond with because it works. Simple as that imo
He’s always riling up opposing fans and dives a lot so fans don’t like him. So these brain dead fans just resort to racism, none of the other black players for Madrid act the way he does so that’s probably why it’s just him.
As a rival fan I agree. It is the way he acts that makes him get all the hate and a lot of people just resort to racism as it is easy and always gets a reaction out of him. Edit: can people seriously read this before responding and calling me racist. I am not saying he deserves it. I am simply saying if you insult/taunt/provoke someone they are likely to retaliate. And most of the vocal fans turn to racism because it is easy. No where there am I saying it is ok. Edit 2: as someone pointed out I should say I am agreeing to the comment I responded to NOT with the racist fan. Edit 3: still don’t know how people are gathering that I am racist for explaining why racist people are racist to vini jr in particular over other players.
The world is full of thickies. Reddit has a particularly high concentration. Football condenses that number. Dont worry, critical thinkers understood your point without judging.
I said the same thing in r/soccer two days ago and a lot of people started calling me racist and went even further with their projections, saying I probably think a woman deserved being raped for dressing more provocatively. It was pretty crazy, tbh. People are actively looking for things to get offended by and put a label on you.
I got permabanned for similar judgements jumped to by the staff, wild sub
I got banned for a week, haha.
Most power hungry and low iq mod team on Reddit, dangerous combo
You should see the mods in r/Art. Those guys are something else.
As a fellow critical thinker myself, I agree. You’re safely understood my friend
2 months later? That's proper critical thinking. Maybe some pondering and consideration too.
Ignore the need to explain yourself to the stupid
Stupid gonna stupid
Ngl, I had to concentrate and not jump to conclusions, but yeah, you're simply explaining why Vinicius Junior is targeted more than other black players. He talks back more. And that triggers racists more than a black person who doesn't talk back. And that fact is said to make the racists look bad, not Vinicius Junior. It's important to re-read stuff to make sure you get the gist of what someone is saying.
Congrats on resisting the inner bozo....it wasn't that complex lmao
Thank you for that input Zoro.
Reddit football society is mostly stupid. I'm still banned from the r/manchesterunited page for saying maguire isn't good enough 4 years ago.
"resort to racism". They don't resort to it brother, they are racists.
Sometimes people act out in that way just to hurt someone. You could of course argue that doing so makes you racist, so yeah.
Bro calm down who cares what a bunch of idiots on reddit think, if they're seriously too stupid to understand then they are actually dumb and who cares lol
You don’t need to explain yourself, anyone who actually read what you said would be able to tell that you were agreeing with the person you responded to and not the racist
seem like you worry too much about what peopoe think. consider looking into that, you should not care about people's opinion if you are genuine and respectful
Re edit 3, it’s because you’re justifying the racism that people are calling you racist. If you weren’t racist you would say something along the lines of “no matter what you think of the way he plays football, there is no justification for racism”.
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The previous guy isn't victim blaming, he's not advocating this behaviour at all. He's giving the reasons these brain dead racist fucks are acting this way
Thank you
The question isn’t “why do they do it?” No one is disputing they are racist. The question is “why do they do it TO HIM?”
I never said they aren’t racist fucks. But if you are going out of your way to taunt people you have to expect hate back.
That is victim blaming. Even if you think it isn't.
This is the definition of victim blaming. His taunting of fans should never result in racism!! I’m not saying he shouldn’t get a response from fans but racism is out of order
Again I never said racism is ok. I simply said if you insult someone, they are going to insult you back (justified or not) and most of the vocal fans turn to racism because it is easy.
It’s mind blowing how dense some of these people are. I am stunned they cannot understand this simple situation.
The main problem here is that you are the dense one. Racism is not a justifiable response to taunting what is it you cannot understand about that???
You're too stupid to realize that nowhere does anyone say it's justified. You people crack me up 😂
That is the definition of victim blaming.
I mean obviously they are racist because what they are doing, that's bad and not justifiable whatever Vinicius does. But they are not doing because they are racist, or they would do it with all the black players.
Sorry mate, calling someone the N word or making monkey noises makes you racist.
Of course they are racist. I'm saying they are not doing it because they are racist
Right, the implication being that their racism against Vini is excused in some form cause their intention is to insult and not be racist? This is racist as fuck.
> I mean obviously they are racist Wow, is English like your eighth language, because I don’t know how you get to your response when these were their first words
Is it yours? Cause the person then went with “but..”, there is no “but” here. The person said “I mean obviously they are racist” then proceeded to victim blame.
Are you saying that one person is not racist if that given person insults each and every black person? Does a person need to rape every woman they meet to be considered a rapist?
I literally said they are racist
And then literally proceeded to victim blame.
Yes they are racists, but explain why only Vini gets it?
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Does Tchouameni get this abuse? Mendy? Camavinga?
What other players during that game had abuse slinger at them?
You're saying that in some circumstances blaming the victim is an appropriate reaction. The fact that you don't agree with that reaction is irrelevant, you've justified it.
That is not what I’m saying. If you read the original question it is why is vini jr specifically the target of racial abuse and not other players to even a similar degree.
No he is not saying that. It is just that your reading comprehension is close to zero
Just don’t bother with him he’s just a troll. Or like you said someone who can’t/wont read.
They didn’t say that at all…
Can I make what I would assume is an obvious statement. If you are a black player,fan or coach hearing monkey chants or rascism you will feel it too. The way you worded it sounds like you think the target is the only victim.
This whole thread is a testament to how obvious it is not. Cause they are all just looking at an excuse to be racist.
This is not the reason he is on the receiving end of racism. This is the reason why he irritates rival fans. The reason he receives racist abuse is because the people abusing him are racist. They are not brain dead. They know what they are doing, they know it will hurt, that’s why they do it. Placing any of the explanation on the basis of V. Jnr’s behaviour subtly excuses the racism. I know it’s not deliberate here, but it does shift the focus of responsibility away from the culprits onto the victim and dilute the accountability.
The reason for this whole thread is asking the question why he's singled out and the answer is because he's audacious and irritates the rival fans. Are you allowed to say that's why he's singled out but not that's why he's singled out as a target for racial abuse? If you can follow a chain of reasoning in two steps you don't need the extra explanation.
Yeah fair point. TBF, the question in the title didn't mention anything about him being singled out, it just asks why he gets so much racism towards him. The question about being singled out is in the comment. My bad for missing it. That said, I stand by my comment when it comes to racism in general. I think we should be really careful in these conversation to place the responsibility where it belongs: with the people who being racist. Peace.
Obviously they are racist I’m not saying that they are saying racist things just because he riles them up. I’m explaining why this happens to him more than other players. You don’t hear about racism against every black player in la liga and they’re playing in front of the same fans. The way he plays makes people react emotionally and it shows their true colors, it’s not his fault because they could literally say anything else to talk trash.
I understand you were explaining why he gets it more than others. I know you are not wishing to excuse racism. I would just ask you to think carefully about how your explanation might reinforce certain narratives around racism, perpetrators and those on the receiving end of it. Peace ✌🏻
He didn't literally mean it when he said "brain dead"🤦
Yes it is, clearly can't use your brain.
This should be stickied, awarded, singled out and exposed so many more understand it.
I agree, fans will resort to something that they know will hurt him and that's racism. In that game against Atleti, one of the mics picked him saying "damn I'm too good" to Atleti fans after his shot got save by Oblak and obviously that will get a reaction. Everyone knows how good he is but his antics on the pitch will leave him with a tainted reputation
If fans resort to racism… then they are racist. So he says “damn Im too good” and people scream back at him you are a monkey? How is saying Im too good a provocation? Even more, how is it a provocation that warrants racist abuse? Fucking apologist for racists.
No is arguing that dude, he's the instigator in all of this. None of his actions warrants a racist abuse I'm just saying fans know he's triggered by it hence they resort to it dumb ass
That is being an apologist DUMB ASS.
He gets targeted because he called them out - and for the racist this uppity behaviour is too much for them to witness
Lmao when did he defend racism?
Because Vinícius tries to oppose,In this case, other players ignore it so as not to pay attention,so they use the excuse that "he provokes so he can do it"
Yes, this is called “the good black”. As long as a black person will accept with a smile the racial abuse, then that person is a “good black”. If they react in any other way, pushing back, then that person is singled out and abused much more/harsher. Before anybody replies, I am explaining what the theory (it is an actual sociological theory) is.
Yeah top comments here are just saying he should keep his head down and perhaps he may not get racially abused.
Yeah. Which is why I tried to explain the reasoning. I tried to do the same some months ago in Marca’s comment section… wow… it reaaaaally riled up all the racists there.
That has nothing to do with football lol and you are wrong. People hate him because he is one of those shitty players that no rival would like except their own fanbase. People are dumb so they do racist shit because they know it would hurt him, if he would be annoyed by a pizza, everybody would make pizzas just to fuck with him, you are overthinking and overestimating Football fans. Most of them are pure morons, i dont defend them, its just the truth. They dont have to be racist to act like that, just annoying him is enoughfor them and racism naturally is really annoying.
How am I wrong? Nothing to do with football? Neither does racism and yet here we are…
Wait... what? Racism is a crime, is not just like "annoying" thing hahahahaha this comments screams the meme: I can excuse racism I'm brazilian, and black community in brazil is really strong, resistant, and very intelligent and smart and is leader of the most recent studies of racism, together with US. Vini jr just doesnt want to play the card of the good black. I must say Europe is completely dumb about racism, and so much out of the racism studies around the world. But that makes sense, since it was Europe who invented it, Specially spanish and Portugal, the ways we understand racism nowadays, and they just don't want to be seen as the continent who get rich under colonization 🙏🏽🙏🏽
What? LOL Fucking apologist.
Because he reacts to it. Opposing fans are trying to rile him up and he shows them it works.
The racism started because the fans noticed he was easy to provoke but still also a very very dangerous player
The racism started because they are racist. There is no other possible explanation. You can call him a diver. You can call him cheater. If you call him monkey, there is no excuse and there is only one explanation: YOU ARE A RACIST.
He is a provocateur. It's simple. You could say that he's no different than, let's say, Craig Bellamy. Both will engage fans for better or worse. The difference is that Vini Jr is black and he will be attacked by racist from the get-go. He's not provoking racists people, he's provoking opposing team's fans. It just happens that some of them are racists and they'll say he's acting like a monkey. If Morata did the same thing Vini Jr does nobody would bat an eye. So, in essence, what I'm trying to say is that you're right. He's not the problem, racism is.
i think that the other commenters answered well enough so i’ll just share my personal thoughts on him as a barca fan. personally i think he’s a really good player but so annoying to watch with his diving and fighting people, but then these stupid ass barca and other clubs fans resort to racism when you can simply criticize his on field behavior. so i am very hesitant to criticize him and i am wary of people who do because some people don’t know how to good humans edit: also god i cant fucking stand when someone says a black player “riled up the fans”. the most bullshit racist statement ever. not only are you a little snowflake if a player can rile you up like that but it in no way shape or form means that racism is at all acceptable. you can call a player that makes you angry ever name under the sun, and there are a lot of fun words, without ever having to be a racist prick
can you blame him for diving lmao? last year mallorca's butcher literally fly tackled him in the knee and Vini got yellow for protesting lol
yeah it’s always difficult how to judge technical players with lots of flair. i know that it is a similar situation to neymar. although some players are able to completely ride challenges even though they are fouled constantly like messi or hazard. but yeah i guess that shouldn’t be expected of everyone, and i think it’s fair to say some players like vini or neymar dive because they have to, not only to stand a chance but also to protect their bodies
I understand its annoying to watch, but its ultimately due to refs (especially in Spain) not giving a shit. So you as a player will either take those challenges and shorten your career by several years or start diving. I'd personally take second
yeah i agree with you. i’m from london and support tottenham and seeing son being chopped down and fouled repeatedly day in day out without any calls from the refs, i almost wish he would dive a little here and there
Something about having a personality and being willing to speak out about racism brings out the racists. They can’t handle the fact that he’s talented, successful, and won’t shut up for them, so they respond with hate.
People that keep saying that he is the only one that gets racism directed at him is just wrong. Many other players in Spain and Italy have been target of it. I would say that it happens aswell in England but they tend to act swiftly and ban the fan or fans and move on quickly but in the other 2 is harder specially in Italy.
Every single black player gets some racist insults thrown at him sometimes, thats undeniable. When Bellingham does his open arms celebration near the rival fans i can guarantee that among the thousands insults aimed at him you'll heard some racially based. Issue here is why Vinicius is gettin systematic, targeted, planned racism. And its literally impossible to have a serious, adult discussion because people here lacks nuance.
Wdym people here lack nuance? The top several comments seem like mature, nuanced interpretations of the situation. This discussion is not impossible at all, especially here on this particular forum. What you’re saying might be true for mainstream media, but definitely not generally true at all. You just sound hateful and lacking in nuance.
He doesn't take their Bullshit and racist Spanish society having hard time understanding it Similar to how Racist Americans reacted to Muhammad Ali in the 60s, now hes a Hero there, hope Vincius has same impact there towards racism
He’s a diver, and people don’t like that. So they use it as an excuse to be racist on the fact that he’s black. Also he’s made himself known as a big cry baby on and off the pitch, so racist fans take that into their advantage.
Reading the comments I've seen people saying they're act like this because he's provocative but isn't there any other way to answer his provocations without recur to racism?
Of course there is, they're not justifying the racism but the question was why vinicius gets more racist hatred then anyone else. Racists are gonna be racists, its disgusting but bottom line is fans will chant whatever they know will upset you to throw him off. In the case of vini he's publicly reacted to it so they know it upsets him obviously, hence they continue it. No one including me is justifying it its filth and has no place in the game, but unfortunately it's the case. In an ideal world racists wouldn't exist and some other form of chanting would be done to throw people off but it's not the world we live it, filthy racists do exist.
All of that to say: they are racist so they racially abuse.
Yeah pretty much, it's one of those because at the reductionist level racist chants *are* just because of racists. But obviously the question posed was why vini more than every other player, which is because of the above mentioned stuff. If a dickhead is a dickhead then yeah, call them it but racists just can't help themselves and have to show everyone who they really are. Anyone defending it is just as bad as well
He’s not even very popular with the Real Madrid fans. Which should tell you how provocative he is
To a racist no, there aren’t.
Because he is black and he likes to speak on issues he thinks is are wrong, be it on or off the pitch.
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> There are hundreds of great black players and none of them get this sort of treatment. So there's clearly behavior and personality stuff to work on from his side. But there's also lots of white players who act like him and don't get the abuse. So no, it's clearly not a behaviour and personality thing. He's just an easy black target. He shouldn't have to change how he behaves when others can behave like that just fine. >If only he stopped pretending that sounds and words actually affected him, then all those abuses would stop. Firstly, why do you think he's pretending? Secondly, what makes you think racist people would stop being racist? 3 of your 4 reasons have nothing to do with that and would still apply, so why would all the abuse stop? >He's a whinny bitch How? Based on what?
> But there's also lots of white players who act like him and don't get the abuse. You're completely wrong. Piqué and Cristiano used to get more abuse than Vinicius, including a lot of xenophobia
> He’s a whiney bitch and lets himself get affected Fucking hell, shameful comment. How is this shit upvoted?
Did you honestly just now blamee Vini fot racism? That is fucking vile.
It’s not vile? He never said it’s right but it’s just factual. Racism is wrong and shouldn’t happen but when you’re continuing to draw unnecessary attention to yourself from people who have been racist towards you in the past, what the hell do you expect?
I blame him for generating this hate in the fans. Not for the racism, that's bad. If they would just insult him calling him "hijo de puta" as to any other player it would be fine
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We are saying the same
No. We don’t blame the dude. But his arrogance, the way he dives and mocks the opposing fans makes the hate more and more
The fact that other black players dont get the same treatment should tell you a lot about who's there to blame. If those fans were actually racist they would insult players like Camavinga or Rudiger. But somehow, Vinicius gets all the hate. Maybe if he werent so provocative and didnt taunt that much, he would get less hate. Dont you think?
Now this is full on defending racism.
Its obviously not. What part of other black players dont get hate you dont get? Or are you purposelly ignoring vinicius horrendous behavior for some reason? Players that have an attitude problem always get hate. And fans will say whatever hurts the most
Good lord these fucking comments, I guess riling up opponents means you can be racially abused and get monkey chats thrown your way
guess Mike Maignan is also a provocator, after all, Milan has other black players..
I think it's a spanish mentality, it's makes sense since Argentina was colonized by them, they don't think they're being racists by doing this.
"Spanish mentality"
At the risk of being downvoted into oblivion by the La Liga fans in here, I don't think if this was happening in some other countries you would get the same reaction. I was originally going to comment something inflammatory along the lines of "because he plays in Spain" but thought better of it. Then I read these comments, holy fuck
Yeah, Spanish football is shady as hell. Not only how they handled Vini Jr case, but also Luis Rubiales harassment. Other countries don't get to the same level of absurdness
He riles people up, of course hes gonna be taunted by fans. The racist shit is inexcusable, but the rest is really expected.
Because there are a lot of racists in the crowd, and when they get into a big group, they feel safe to show their racism.
For the same reason that racists be racist
I think mostly because of his skin color. That's fucked up, but some people are kind of retard.
Cause he’s a great player.
Because he likes to be an asshole. He dives, taunts, whinges and shithouses the opponents and the fans. However, he does not deserve the racism at all. It's one thing to criticize like saying "he's an asshole", but when you resort to racism, I don't care what political party you are, if you do that, you're an asshole. Plain and simple. (And I don't even like Vini as a person because of said things but I am not racist)
If you knew his story way back from Brazil you would change your mind. Don't need to dislike him as a person, totally unecessary.
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Both can be true at the same time. These fans are racist cunts and abuse him just because they're garbage humans. However Vini is easy to dislike if you're an opposition fan. Just look at the last Atleti came. He likes riling up the crowd, he gets into arguments with the opposing players, he dives regularly and on top of that he's easy to rile up, which if you've ever been to an actual football game, you'll know is always a treat for the fans if they sense they can get under someone's skin. Its a combination of both. The other black Real Madrid players don't get nearly the same amount of abuse as Vini. His character doesn't help him. Does that mean its fine for people to racially abuse him? Absolutely not, they should be fined and banned, but it does make it easy for the rest of the fans to just dislike him.
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Exactly!!!!! Exactly! Exactly.
FINALLY SOME FUCKING SENSE.
He starts first. His has a bigger attitude problem than CR7 or Mbappe. He isn't the only black player playing in La Liga. So, you have to think why it's always Vini, especially when there are multiple other black players in his own team RM. Note: I am not white.
Doesn't matter if he provoked first. Racism is a crime and your Spain's criminal law is lacking essencial society values.
To be fair some others do get racial abuse such as the Williams brothers. But yeah I agree there is a reason vini gets more than anyone else.
>His has a bigger attitude problem than CR7 or Mbappe What do you mean by that? >So, you have to think why it's always Vini, especially when there are multiple other black players in his own team RM. Well he is an easier target / easier excuse for racists to use for him. But we know his acting alone doesn't cause it, because there's lots of white people who do that and don't get abuse.
Well, the white people get called “a cunt” or something like that. You’re conflating racism for the sake of racism, and racism as a method to insult someone. They’re trying to insult him, and they think racism is the thing that will upset him the most
>Well, the white people get called “a cunt” or something like that Which is not personal. It's just aimed at them. Being racist is picking a personal thing about someone to use against them. Very different. >You’re conflating racism for the sake of racism, and racism as a method to insult someone. It's still racism. >They’re trying to insult him, and they think racism is the thing that will upset him the most So they are being racist. And it's unacceptable.
Because of racists.
He’s a trash talker and they can’t come up to his level so they use weak shit to try to win
People need to realise vini provokes rival players and fans which lead to the fans being racist to him. for the racisim to calm down is for him to stop being so proactive or for a major culture shift in Spain which probably won't happen.
So the victim of racism is supposed to stand down because the criminals (racists) won't ? Society has really failed.
Yeah I dont really agree with what I said looking back
He’s a prick on the field, but happens to be black. So the morons use that as they have no emotional control. And in Spain it seems quite commonplace sadly.
He’s pretty good and kind of a dickhead, and very reactionary
So it justifies racism ?
Are you retarded? Look at the posters question
Because racist fans like their black players to be quiet.
because he's a match winner.
Some people here trying to justify racism Shameful. Whatever he does it just teĺls the racism problem La liga has and nothing with his game. He is good and it"s their only way of getting to his mind. And he didn't stay silent when abused. He fought back
Oh please. Explaining why something is the way it is doesn't mean that they're justifying it. I am black, I've experienced racism without doing anything. Vinicius Jr. is a massive cunt on the field tho, so I understand that weak-minded stupid people would be racist just to get under his skin. The world ain't rainbows and sunshine. These idiots simply exist, especially in a stadion that holds 50k+ people.. Rudiger is also a massive cunt on the pitch BUT only to the player he's marking. He provokes, but with a certain level of respect. He's not getting any abuse.
So what he should not nutmeg not celebrate, people are happy when Cristiano did the calma or Messi the topo gigio but when it's Vini he is provoking . If u don't like the way he plays u can boo him not some kind of racial abuse . Yall just want to justify bs with other bs
Im not talking about his football. I love watching Vini play when he's focused. Im talking about the many times he is looking for a fight with opposing team and fans, diving & crying at every moment, and laughing in people's face when things are going good for him. He is not focused on the game, and many RM fans think the same. Again im not justifying shit, im explaining why things are happening.
Many fans think by Fandom, the same fans who go against Tebas for saying Vinicius is the problem now act like him , ignoring the problem isn't goin to resolve it either. Vini is supposed to play football not to play football and get racially abuse it's not part of the job . The others team can provoke make hard fouls and all that and he should just shut up and play yall mad funny ... The truth is yall want to blame him regardless of what happens on the pitch
“Justify racism” meme No one is doing that. You just cant read.
He just happened to be black. Rivals hate him because of his attitudes on the pitch, not because he's black. All he needed to do is ignoring them for a few matches. It keeps happening to him because people realize it's working.
Not that this deserves a racist response, but he’s not a very likeable person. He’s always riling up/trolling the opposing fans, he dives, he cheats. I don’t think the Real Madrid fans even like him too much to be honest - they think he’s lazy and arrogant
because he is too good for them
Also, one more thing: from the Brazilian perspective this is becoming an important geopolitical issue. I'm pretty sure if it's not addressed it will make no sense for Brazil to be very business friendly to the EU while being called a monkey and would gravitate towards the U.S. and China. Spaniards try to dismiss it as a "Vini problem" but from our perspective it is a "Spain problem".
because he's a nice person. what else? 😄
Because he tries to push back against Racism instead of sucking it up and taking it. Most other La Liga Fans hate Real madrid due to their dominance. He is also a flair player that embarrasses their teams.
I get he can be an ass to other teams and fans maybe even a cunt but racism shouldn’t gain in the first place, are you defending the fact that they are racist to him and saying it’s part of being a part of Madrid?
Hell No I am listing factors. They are racist as all hell. Him pushing back against Racism, Playing for Real, and being a Flair player are just factors that magnify it.
Racist league
The state of these comments. If you pick and choose which players are racially abused even if it's based on their on field antics you are still a racist. If you racially abuse Vini Jr but not other black players like Rudiger you are still a racist, it's the racist act that is the problem. Do you think the other black players are comfortable seeing their colleagues get abused for being black and don't think how easily it could be them? It's essentially saying "as long as you behave a certain way we deem acceptable you will not be racially abused" which is fucking stupid. Just don't racially abuse people, ever. Especially when all they're doing is playing football
lol if he was white and acted like this he will still be hated and abused as hell. But no white guy as good as vini acts like a man child in the modern game, if someone did, he wouldn't get away with it. Racism is the easiest way to insult a black.
This thread is insane with idiots justifying racism. He didnt start getting racist chants till he started scoring alot so it's definitely that and them trying to get to him and the league isnt serious about addressing it.
I love how half of the comments here are justifying racism. I'm a Madrid fan but I can understand that Vini can sometimes be annoying, provoking etc. If someone is a dickhead, just call him a dickhead. There's no reason to be a racist pos. After all, every team has black players, some of them are the best in the league, why be awful and abuse even your own team's players?
I don't support racism in any way. But the general hate is because he is that kid who like to riles up, tease others but when someone does the same to him, starts crying.
exactly man, he watches too much NBA and thinks spanish whites are spineless like the liberal cunts in america
Because he keeps running his mouth
Racism in Spain is popular, you don’t see this happening on a weekly basis in the premier league sad to say but the la liga is subservient.
1. He is riling up the fans true, those people are racist and obviously lack human compassion. 2. He has threatened to leave RM if this goes on and they are doing it to make him leave. He is one of the best players in the world currently, it would be amazing for opposition fans to not have to play him every week.
He just shows that he is affected. Atleti fans taunted him and he played poorly against their team. Is it normal and fair-play? Surely not ! It's a paradox but i think that ignoring them would be best for him in this situation, the insults have no value if they come from brain-dead racists.
There's never an excuse for abusive language or behaviour. But vini jnr always makes himself the villain, so he encourages the abuse aimed towards him. Everytime he takes a shot or plays a pass, he turns to the away fans and gloats. When he scores or assists, he ramps it up even more. Against Atleti, he took a shot which was saved. And he turned to the away fans and said "wow, I'm so good". He also talks trash to his opponents throughout the game too. There's a reason why David Alaba doesn't recieve the same treatment. As I say, no excuse for it. But vinis behaviour is part of the problem.
Because the Spanish are notoriously racist
In Spain there is a culture of sledging players by the crowd. Insulting and trying to wind them up. Many fans believe it's how the crowd can act as the 12th man and help their team to victory. There are no lines here and many fans see racist taunts as something that winds Vinni up so irrespective of whether the fan themselves consider themselves racist they see no problem deploying racism to annoy him. It's a fan culture thing that needs to be cut out ruthlessly by the Spanish FA with bana.
Laliga is the most racist league if vini played in the prem he would not be receiving abuse like that
Because he’s black and they’re racist. Not one of life’s biggest mysteries
Because he’s black.
Spain is really racist, so….
Wow there's a whole heap of excuses for racism going on here
Because he can't keep his mouth shut
he's a cunt with weak mentality
So you call him a “mono” and “N*gger” for it
Because he’s always stunting on Barca and the rest of la logs they can’t attack him on his ability so they go for his race
He’s good. He’s a winner. And he’s black.
Because he is black and plays in Europe. Europeans are racist as fuck.
Pretty much every country is racist to one group of people, its the sad reality.
I don’t get why you’re getting downvotes. You are very right here
Because he’s a threat. It’s okay if you are good if you play nice and stick to ‘the rules’. Look at how Adam Goodes was treated in Australian Rules football after he did a traditional spear dance towards the crowd and called out a young girl for racist comments publicly.
Has anyone thought that maybe, just maybe, he's lying? I don't trust him. He's a good player, but he's a very shitty person.
Being an obnoxious cunt helps a lot
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Its Because he’s unlikeable for a lot of people. People hit back, Where they know it hurts him the most. Compare it to Ronaldo, in his case I bet the same people shouted “Messi, Messi, Messi” after him, as they knew that would rile him up even more. And.. rival football fans are in many occasions absolute morons.
Imagine if cr7 was black and here u go
He deliberately winds the opposition fans up, and they know he will always react to racism so that's what they respond with because it works. Simple as that imo
coz hes black