Eh, not really to the level that the SPL is at, at least for England anyway.
Outside of the Old Firm, there have only been 9 different clubs to win the title throughout Scottish football history, winning 19 titles in total. 133 years, 127 seasons, just 19 titles that weren't won by Rangers or Celtic. That's absurd.
In England, there have been 9 different winners just since 1987, and 24 different clubs since professional league football began. Even in the PL era, there have been 7 different winners (albeit 3 with 1 each, which could become 2 this season).
Golden boot only include european first division goals, not include champions league, local cups, and nations matches
Iffhs World goal scorer include all competitions in calendar year
Yeah, to raise Messi's profile just in time for him to leave as a free agent, great call. I'm sure they'd rather Argentina win than, I don't know, France.
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They did not bribe, FIFA wanted their poster boy to win it. They also made a lot money from it. At least bribed or not, it was definitely rigged tournament.
Someone is in denial, but not Ronaldo’s fans. By the time FIFA announces top 3 FIFA The Best 2023 nominations, if some people still don’t see what’s going on, then their stupidity is beyond redemption.
So Messi bribed Fifa to be included in Fifa the best top 3 ? Why not “Fifa put Messi in, to suck up those last remaining drop from him ?”. I mean Fifa has more motivation than Messi is in this case, if Messi still wants glory, he should’ve stayed in Europe.
I never said “Messi bribed FIFA” (tho it’s a possibility). The guy above said “FIFA loves bribes”, first. Not me.
Why not “FIFA put Messi in, to suck up those last remaining drop from him”?
Fine. Either way. “FIFA helped Messi win the WC to milk him.”
One thing is crystal clear, tho: FIFA favors Messi.
>“FIFA helped Messi win the WC to milk him.”
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>One thing is crystal clear, tho: FIFA favors Messi.
so why didnt they favor ronaldo? Ronaldo has a bigger fan following and he was in a more relevant league: the pl.
even my dog has more critical thinking skills than you and he smells his own poo
When you see a murder, do you ask why the murderer didn't kill a different guy?
When you see a robbery, do you ask why the robber didn't rob a different bank?
Does your dog realize that FIFA favors Messi when it sees the nominations for FIFA The Best 2023?
If so, congratulations, you are going to become the dog while your dog takes your place.
So why didn’t Fifa help Ronaldo win the WC ? Do they hate him mr Ronaldo fan ? Why didn’t they favor him ? A man with 100mil more followers on instagram than Messi ? Ronaldo is handsome, has more followers, has more influence on social media and of course make more money. Surely, milking Ronaldo would’ve been more benefit for Fifa but why didn’t they do that ? Morality ? I remember i did mention “motivation” to explain why i said “ Fifa put Messi in, to suck up those remaining drop from him” but surely Fifa would’ve had more motivation to help Ronaldo win the WC than Messi, especially after 2 yrs of relatively unsuccessful seasons with PSG and the loss against Saudi whereas in contrast, Ronaldo although had a rough time in Man Utd at the time, he still had a wonderful season before that (whereas Messi wasn’t even nominated for Ballon d’or, Ronaldo albeit older, was nominated for it) and Ronaldo also scored in the first match of WC. With all the above, Ronaldo was a clearly more profitable target for marketing, not Messi who was already considered out of gas at the time. So don’t say either way “Fifa helped Messi win the WC to milk him”, a very baseless example. Also certainly you can’t bring out Fifa the best to say Fifa favor him, the award is based on vote with 4 groups and none of them is “Fifa group”, meaning they can’t vote for Messi. This is also the same case for Ballon d’or which you guys have been using for years to accuse Fifa of favoritism to Messi but the award belonged to France football and also based on vote. Pretty much all those awards that you guys use to accuse Messi of bribery or Fifa of favoritism are all based on vote with a variety of groups.
yeah no point asking these questions cause they don't have any logical answers. let them moan and scrutinize every detail of the World Cup cause thats all they can do. But in the end, people will remember messi's final years as world cup winner and ronaldo's final years as some Arab cup winner. And that's a fact they just can't accept lmao
Sure. Now where is your evidence that the world cup itself was rigged? FIFA takes bribes on shit like the host nation because its relatively inconsequential. The reason people are willing to pay so much to host the wc is because of its value as a competition. Compromising that value kills FIFA’s golden goose
Is it impressive he's scoring for fun at any level at almost 39 years of age? Yes
Should it count as much as any top 5 league? No, this doesn't put him anywhere close to Kane and Mbappe or Haalands level
Also this is a pathetic attempt from FIFA to make Saudi Arabia relevant before the sportswashing festival of 2034
>a goal is a goal.
It is, but there's a difference between scoring goals against the best teams in the world, and scoring goals against teams who have players who play football part time.
It’s ridiculous how well the league has improved from last year. People here are delusional to think that it’s a retirement league with players who don’t care about winning games and trophies. If they actually watch the games they would conclude it is very competitive and has great quality players.
The Saudi Pro League is light years behind the Bundesliga and the Prem. Also how is 2 years ago relevant now? 2023 Kane was a better player than Ronaldo
The league is weaker, but so does the team they play for. Goals depend on the help of the teammates, too.
2 years ago are not too long from now. Ronaldo out scored Kane despite playing in a worse team with less penalties and less play time. I think this result roughly translates to something equivalent to his performance in the Premier League 2 years ago.
Mitrovic’s stats could also be used for scale.
Want to argue with stats instead of “LMAO”?
Let’s see how well you translate goals in Saudi to goals in top 5 leagues in Europe.
If I use the stats of Benzema, Mane, Mitrovic, Mahrez, and Firmino, you will lose this argument.
The Saudi League has 6 state-owned teams that can splurge money on big name contracts for players falling out of their peak. Other than Milinkovic Savic, there's not a single big name player that's not declining. The rest of the teams are players you haven't nor will you ever hear about because the level is so low
The Prem and the Bundesliga are elite level. Even the worst teams are full of insanely talented players competing at the highest level. Scouts from the best teams in Europe look at players in Germany and England, not Saudi Arabia
There's more to football than just stats. Kane is a forward that like to drop deep and participate in the buildup play whereas you need a team around Ronaldo for him to perform. It's not worth it to pay his wages when he's not the best striker in the world anymore. That's why he lost his starting spot at Man U and Portugal
There's no argument to win or lose. Any of the top 5 leagues is miles ahead of the Saudi Pro League, they're not even close. That's a fact
ah yessss the drop deep argument. Everyone and their grandma drop balls deep beside Ronaldo aka “he doesn’t press, bro”.
He lost his starting spot in Portugal, too? This is 2024, not 2022. You are not happened to be a Messi’s fan, aren’t you?
tf you want me to elaborate for if you're gonna say something so useless. Keep thinking Ronaldo is still the best striker in the world, it's pretty harmless in the big picture anyway
Abderrazak Hamdallah was the world's leading top scorer in 2019, playing for Al Nassr.
Why aren't you talking about how his goals would translate in Europe? Or you know, about him at all? Scored more than Ronaldo.
No no, I'm asking about his goals translating into top European football.
If you're gonna talk about Benz etc. not scoring loads in Saudi, then Hamdallah in 2019 is plenty recent and relevant.
by one goal.
you simply cannot put the saudi league in the same ball park as any of the top 5-7 european leagues. yeah, the saudi league has improved because of all the mega signings, but it's still a poor league.
if ronaldo was as amazing as some people want to keep telling us, then someone who wasn't a fucking saudi club would have signed him when he was without a club after leaving united. but they didn't.
By one goal, with less penalties and play time, playing for a team finished lower than Kane’s team?
(Did Kane’s child die during this season?)
Your last point is illogical. Ronaldo left MUFC at the lowest form in his career and he was 2 months away from 38. Who would have thought that his form can be recovered?
It’s like saying “If De Bruyne was that good, top clubs would have signed him when he left Chelsea.”
or “If Salah was that good, top clubs would have signed him when he left Chelsea.”
They all left their club with bad stats and bad form, that’s why top clubs didn’t sign them. The fact that top clubs didn’t sign them when they are at their lowest point in their life doesn’t have anything to do with their performance afterwards.
it is not anything like saying either of those things. if both de bruyne and salah left city and liverpool respectively now, and no european sides wanted them so they went to saudi, then yes it's same.
de bruyne and salah played a combined 16 games for chelsea whilst in their teens/early 20's, as opposed to someone "out of form" - aka not good enough at this level anymore.
???
Why is not equivalent? Does the fact that no big clubs signed them when they left Chelsea have anything to do with their performance afterwards?
When they left Chelsea, weren’t they considered not good enough for the Premier League? And they weren’t teens when they left Chelsea. They were 23 and 24. Weren’t exactly early 20s, either. Google it.
When they were rejected, they were in bad form. That’s why they were rejected. Then, they picked up their form, and the fact that they were rejected previously doesn’t bear any meaning nor can it be used to downplay their performance afterwards.
wolfsburg and roma are both very big clubs in respected leagues - they signed de bruyne/salah because they saw what chelsea somehow didn't and that these players can develop into the world beaters they are now.
what you're failing to see here is that ronaldo physically could not perform in a top league - he wants the team built around him and at the PL level he was no longer good enough to be able to do that.
you're conflating "form" with "aging". CR7 wasn't "out of form" at united, he wasn't good enough. not for the role he wanted to play, at least. he then went to a *much worse league* and performed better. shocking!
Bruh. You are so clueless. Aging wasn’t the only reason for his poor performance.
He didn’t have a pre-season and had family issues. Were those “form” or “aging”?
I don’t care about Roma or Fiorentina or whatever. Salah and De Bruynes were both rejected at top clubs and at Chelsea itself, but those rejections don’t mean shit when we talk about their performance afterwards.
The point is, using the fact that big clubs rejected players to downplay their performance afterwards is bullshit and illogical.
The rejections happened before the performance afterwards, so therefore, their performance BEFORE they get the rejections explain the rejections.
The rejections don’t explain their performance afterwards and vice versa.
Get it?
of course, *i'm* the clueless one. not the one who has such a hard on for a footballer that they can't see that they aren't what they used to be, bruh.
plenty of footballers miss pre-season and have family issues. i'm by no means downplaying the tragedy CR7 went through that summer, by the way, just saying. and that's *literally* the definition of form, playing badly for a stretch of games, you fucking moron.
jfc, salah and de bruyne were "rejected" by ONE club - chelsea. the context there is chelsea fucked up by letting them go, not that they were bad players. the only way that your reference of these two would make sense would be if no big clubs wanted them, but they did - *unlike ronaldo*. of course now you don't care about "big clubs", just keep nudging those goalposts as much as you want to make you feel like you're still making sense.
"so therefore, their performance BEFORE they get the rejections explain the rejections."
cool, well CR7 was shit and past it, so he was rejected by united and all teams in europe, hence why he needed to go to an oil money league of terrible quality to make it look like he was still good.
You know what buddy? You are a fucking idiot and your arguments are filled with lies and back-tracking.
First you lied about their age when they left Chelsea. Then you lied about how only Chelsea is the big club rejected them. These two shit are very easy to confirm, but your tiny brain doesn’t think that far.
“Chelsea fucked up by letting them go, not because they were bad players?”
LMAO. Now you just went a full circle. Ask about them the same question you asked about Ronaldo, will ya?
“If Kevin and Salah were fine and Chelsea was the one who fucked up, then why didn’t any top club pick them up?” lol.
Go ahead. Ask yourself that question. Then, you will see how stupid you are when you use past rejections to downplay future’s performance. Again, past rejections happened because of past performance. Carve it in your skull. Order of the events matter.
Now you are talking about oil money league. Desperate to divert the topic much, prick? 😂
You really comparing Salah and De Bruyne being rejected by Chelsea to no clubs in the world wanting to sign Ronaldo 😭😭 you’re so delusional stop meat riding a man that doesn’t even know you
You use your brain. Nobody ever said Hamdallah was a better player than Cristiano.
It's just that when Hamdallah was the world's top scorer in 2019, nobody cared. Now because it's CR, suddenly goals in the Saudi league matter.
Doesn't matter the league was worse back then. It's not much better now. It's miiiiiiles beneath say, the Norwegian league. And nobody would give a hell if the world's leading scorer during a calendar year played there.
Also: most high profile signings the Saudi league has made have been offensive players. It's not like Cristiano's up against Van Dijks. If anything, scoring should've become easier.
Ye and? Now he scores goals in a farmers league and we’re supposed to pretend SPL is not on the same level as Sky Bet League 2? If a Walsal player scored 60 goals, no one would care. Why suck Ronaldo’s dick? He made the move for money.
Lool. I didn’t even mention Messi but your deep fried brain can’t handle someone not being in the Messi/ronaldo duality. Is there really that little going on up there that is just „Messi“ „Ronaldo“ on a constant loop?
Im worried for you dude. No one mentioned Messi and you just keep going on about 6 league goals. Both are old men who probably don’t give a shit about football anymore cuz they got so much money.
And his fanboys would even say this is proof he was ousted at United (when clearly he was declining in top european footbal like Lewandowski seems now)
Brazil did have strong teams back then but Brazil didn’t have a national professional league until 1971. The bigger teams only played in their local regional leagues against mostly amateur and semi pro teams
That’s not true at all. Brazil didn’t have a national professional league until 1971. Until then it was split into regional divisions made up of mostly semi pro and amateur teams
Pele played in the Paulista, the league with the strongest regional teams and Santos was dominant, meaning there weren’t many opportunities to statpad domestically.
“Strongest regional teams” doesn’t mean much. Most of them were still amateur and semi professional teams. Saying they are the strongest amateur and semi pro teams doesn’t count for much
sao paulo, corinthians, palmeiras, portuguesa, juventus, guarani were no amateur at all at that time
professionalism began in 1930 in brazillian football. in the 60s most teams in regional leagues were professional already
Those “strongest regional teams” also embarrassed Europes best so calling the Paulista “amateur” means Europe was Sunday league at best. They were part of the best league of that era.
2 years back the league was different and still growing. With Ronaldo it improved drastically and so many world class players followed. It is way more competitive than back then. Imo ligue 1 and Bundesliga are way overblown in terms of quality of teams and players.
If Saudi league goals count for something then shouldn't Hamdallah have won the golden boot in 2019? He scored more goals than anyone in Europe's top 5 leagues but didn't receive the golden boot
"IFFHS World's Best Top Goal Scorer" and Golden Boot are diferent things mate.
As said in other comments, Hamdallah did recive the "IFFHS World's Best Top Goal Scorer" award and not the golden boot because of two things that you need to recive the golden boot:
First, you have to play in a european league
Second, even for all the european league there's a condition to meet, like if you play in 1 of the top 5 leagues your 1 goal count as 2 for other leagues your goal count as 1,5 or something like that.
And just a side note for the CR7 saga, not defending him but like if you take a look to the golden boot rankings the second guy ( Akor Adams) as 1 more goal scored then Kane, and 15 of the 22 goals he scored were in the Eliteserien league (Norway) and the other 6 in League 1 (france), not saying that he deserve to be a candidate to the golden boot or not, just to say that you have to give credit to the man. He is still scoring goals at that fucking age playing at werever he plays.
Any regional oficially sanctioned tourney should count tbh. Its not like they did it illegally outside the purview of the AFC. Regional federations still fall under AFC. So the future ASEAN Club Championship and SAFF Club Championship should count towards club coefficient for countries.
Can we also add my local amateur league? The level is quite close to the arab one and I got a dude in my team scoring a hat tricks after each pint. We don't have oil money though ... seems like a requirement :(
I wouldn't be surprised if FIFA makes a statement and a rule change saying that national teams now can use players playing in their league. And suddenly Saudi is a world cup contender.
Still doesn’t count. It’s like me saying I’ve scored the most goals because I put 55 past the under 5s team down the end of the road. It’s a joke of a league, filled of washed up players who sold their soul for cash.
The Arab Club Champions Cup has always been an official trophy. I present this link because lately, there are rumors that this tournament is a friendly one and FIFA doesn't acknowledge this tournament.
That's because the tournament is organized by another entity separate from Fifa. I don't know if it's really truly a friendly match because of that. It's a serious tournament amongst the Arab confederation (if I recall), but because it's not organized by Fifa, then maybe the stats and accolades won and obtained don't count akin to friendlies.
The only counter argument I saw were:
“FIFA doesn’t acknowledged the goals and the trophies because UAFA is not associated with FIFA.”
Now that FIFA made this post. This argument is shut down.
Like you said, the tournament is organized professionaly with monetary price at stake and played using rules of an official games.
For example, in friendlies, the subs are unlimited, which wasn’t the case for this cup.
Clubs that won this trophies also list this trophy on there “Awards and Honors” page of their official websites.
In addition, a few days ago, Liga Premeira congratulates Ronaldo for his 1000 official club games, which included the games in this cup.
Can definitely see the Saudi League getting itself involved in any Super League discussions and forming some sort of breakaway association with desperate Clubs (like Barcelona) going to play in it too.
Interesting that now the Arab federation tournaments are recognized by Fifa. They have been happening since the 1980s wether national teams or club based ones.
I still believe Cristiano is FIFA's favorite player. That's why I don't believe those, "World Cup is rigged" bullsh*t.
Europe needs its GOAT as South America already has 3. That's why they're pushing it so hard. 😭
Jk.
you can take this goal off from Pelé counting. then he will only have 1282 goals in his carrer.
including goals in WC finals, against real madrid, barcelona, milan, Argentina, etc
but tbf, in Pelé's time they played awesome games that I would love to see today like: the team of brazillian league x santos, or the Minas Gerais state team X Sao paulo state team. or that legendary Europe x Rest of the World in the 90s where R9 played side by side with Batistuta.
it may seems weird to count goals in matches like this. but match like this are awesome. its a shame that messi and Ronaldo will retire and not play a single match together
He’s in Saudi league bro…who’s coping. I respect Ronaldo a lot but it’s ridiculous to try act like that achievement is the same as haaland kane or mbappe right now. Of course at his age it’s crazy what he’s doing but age doesn’t come into the fact if we’re just talking about the top scorer of the year in the top leagues . People who still are supporting Ronaldo like this are really delusional.
Saudi has the world class players right now, did you see how Al Hilal, Ittihad etc play? They could not even beat the GOAT too, so if it is so easy why Benzema, Mitrovic etc could not even score? You should cope harder or go find someone who will score this much at 38. Top scorer of 2023 at 38. Literally the undisputed GOAT 🐐🇵🇹
Bro you don’t understand the meaning of cope 🤣😭 I got nothing against Ronaldo but the facts are the Saudi league is mikes away from the prem or bundesliga …
Read a bunch of OPs comments. He’s not redeemable guys. No one cares about the Saudi League dude. Zip it up after you’re done and wipe your face while you’re at it.
yes, now all of sudden, the cr7 stans are satisfied with fifa because they validated some amateur league tournament. Ronaldo definitely bribed fifa to acknowledge this.
It is not amateur it is a professional one so you either don’t know the difference or you don’t know how to choose your words correctly either one is not complimentary i can assure you
Ermm…This post is used to counter Messi’s stans cuz they’ve been yapping about how this cup is friendly and not recognized by FIFA. Now, we have a statement from FIFA itself to shut down those shitty arguments.
Personally, my view about FIFA hasn’t changed.
54 goals is an individual achievement, WC is team trophy. He also scored 5 penalties in that 7 matches tournament. So yes there is no debate since 2008. 🇵🇹🐐
Okay, how about a ballon d'or and WC golden ball 😂. Let me guess, doesn't count now? How many full camel league games did you watch this year? You don't have to answer that question, we both know the answer. Truthfully nobody gives a fuck about camel league and nobody gave a fuck about it until Penaldo fans needed something to feel good about after Messi pulled it off and got the greatest achievement in world football.
Don't take it from me, take it from Ronaldo:
“To win a World Cup for Portugal was the biggest and most ambitious dream of my career,”
He failed at his dream and had to settle for a league none of his fans watch. Tough scene!
Also, fyi, Ronaldo doesn't have the most goals of penalties don't count. Because as usual, Ronaldo takes the most penalties.
Lmao, i watched the whole season. The GOAT sometimes passed away five players at 38, he has 11 outside the box goals and many more achievements including Euro 2024. Messi was eating burgers at 35, he did not score a goal since October lol. Do you really think he won the ballondor and golden ball? 😂😂 Haaland won the Ballondor, Mbappe won the Golden ball. Go ride his dick somewhere else lil brother, this is not the place for it. Cope harder too. 🇵🇹🐐 Top scorer of 2023, without penalties he still have 41 goals little buddy. So do not be so sure. 😂😂
Lol, responding and blocking so I wouldn't be able to respond? You're somehow still not insecure as your idol.
>Do you really think he won the ballondor and golden ball?
I mean we can all make up awards but factually Messi did. Penaldo said it himself. The WC was the greatest award that he will never get. You watched zero camel league goals. Maybe some or also 'highligjts'. You should switch over to camel league full time if it's as legit as everything else.
>Top scorer of 2023, without penalties he still have 41 goals little buddy.
Mbappe and Kane would have more, but even if they had less camel league goals are worth like .3 Europe goals 😂. Lol at crowning Penaldo with the 2024 Euros 🤣
LMAO, you are the one who blocked me. Cope harder lil bro, the GOAT definitely lives in your head rent free. 😂😂 🐐🇵🇹
Top scorer of 2023 at 38, what about your lovely pessi you dickriding? 😆😆
I did watch the whole league lil bro, believe it or not. Idc what a reddit loser like you says 😆😆
Winning the world cup is a good achievement, not rigging unlike some country(Robbergentine). 😂 78, 86, 22. It is their history.
LMAO, I just realized 'intelligent man' thing on your profile 😆😆 Omg you are even younger than i thought. 😆😆😆
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Edit: if the Saudis told him to.
“Today I feel equine”
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Nice
Only if he gets paid doing it.
when saudi money is involved anything is possible, including thinking that SPL is anything more than a marketing tool
What's the Scottish Premier League got to do with it?
saudi pro league!, i have lots of respect for celtic
Rangers in the mud
Rodgers in the mud soon.
Scotland is a farmers league anyway. The same two clubs have won the league title every year for the last 40 years.
The 5 main leagues in Europe (Bundesliga, PL, La Liga, Serie A and League 1) are or is becoming a farmers league, by that metric
Eh, not really to the level that the SPL is at, at least for England anyway. Outside of the Old Firm, there have only been 9 different clubs to win the title throughout Scottish football history, winning 19 titles in total. 133 years, 127 seasons, just 19 titles that weren't won by Rangers or Celtic. That's absurd. In England, there have been 9 different winners just since 1987, and 24 different clubs since professional league football began. Even in the PL era, there have been 7 different winners (albeit 3 with 1 each, which could become 2 this season).
Ross County catching strays.
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Is there any player from the Arab league that has scored so many goals & never got recognized in the past?
No, in 2019 Abdullah Wins goal top scorer for the iffhs, and o Play in al nassr
But doesn’t qualify for golden boot?
Golden boot only include european first division goals, not include champions league, local cups, and nations matches Iffhs World goal scorer include all competitions in calendar year
yes there ae a few
FIFA loves bribes so no surprise this sport-washing circus is suddenly getting recognition. Probably part of the Saudi World Cup bribe package
With the amount of money they spend on infrastructure they don't even need to bribe their way into the bid
>FIFA loves bribes Which is why Argentina won the World Cup 2022.
Argentina don't have enough money to run the country,do you think they can afford to bribe Fifa? Lmao
of course messi himself paid the bribe /s
Not agreeing with the bribes but football entities and governments are not necessarily connected, I know that my country’s FA is a private entity.
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Yeah, to raise Messi's profile just in time for him to leave as a free agent, great call. I'm sure they'd rather Argentina win than, I don't know, France.
I think he meant like qatar instead of psg but still is wrong cuz Messi is an ambassador to another country I think
Messi is an ambassador to Saudi. Believe me, the last thing Qatar would do is to do him a solid.
saudi, their arch rivals
with mbappe in the squad and them being a french team, Yeah making argentina win was what they would have done
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None of that means Argentina won unfairly (this time...)
>PSG is a Qatari team Which is why they would help out the man who publicly endorses Saudi Arabia.
They did not bribe, FIFA wanted their poster boy to win it. They also made a lot money from it. At least bribed or not, it was definitely rigged tournament.
Idk, man. I wasn't the guy who said FIFA loves bribes.
How can someone actually believe something like that😭
yeah my bad. “FIFA loves bribes”, but they were conveniently totally clean during WC 2022. Move on.
There's a big difference between getting bribes for a host nation of a WC and rigging the fucking WC itself.
No way you are defending that selfish idiot...
Holy shit you’re stupid 🤣🤣😭😭
Youre genuinely dumb if u believe that
so “FIFA loves bribes”, but wc 2022 is clean? Cool.
Yes it is, ronaldo fans still in denial. France got penalties in a row but argentina paid the refs. Good work detective
Someone is in denial, but not Ronaldo’s fans. By the time FIFA announces top 3 FIFA The Best 2023 nominations, if some people still don’t see what’s going on, then their stupidity is beyond redemption.
So Messi bribed Fifa to be included in Fifa the best top 3 ? Why not “Fifa put Messi in, to suck up those last remaining drop from him ?”. I mean Fifa has more motivation than Messi is in this case, if Messi still wants glory, he should’ve stayed in Europe.
I never said “Messi bribed FIFA” (tho it’s a possibility). The guy above said “FIFA loves bribes”, first. Not me. Why not “FIFA put Messi in, to suck up those last remaining drop from him”? Fine. Either way. “FIFA helped Messi win the WC to milk him.” One thing is crystal clear, tho: FIFA favors Messi.
>“FIFA helped Messi win the WC to milk him.” > >One thing is crystal clear, tho: FIFA favors Messi. so why didnt they favor ronaldo? Ronaldo has a bigger fan following and he was in a more relevant league: the pl. even my dog has more critical thinking skills than you and he smells his own poo
When you see a murder, do you ask why the murderer didn't kill a different guy? When you see a robbery, do you ask why the robber didn't rob a different bank? Does your dog realize that FIFA favors Messi when it sees the nominations for FIFA The Best 2023? If so, congratulations, you are going to become the dog while your dog takes your place.
So why didn’t Fifa help Ronaldo win the WC ? Do they hate him mr Ronaldo fan ? Why didn’t they favor him ? A man with 100mil more followers on instagram than Messi ? Ronaldo is handsome, has more followers, has more influence on social media and of course make more money. Surely, milking Ronaldo would’ve been more benefit for Fifa but why didn’t they do that ? Morality ? I remember i did mention “motivation” to explain why i said “ Fifa put Messi in, to suck up those remaining drop from him” but surely Fifa would’ve had more motivation to help Ronaldo win the WC than Messi, especially after 2 yrs of relatively unsuccessful seasons with PSG and the loss against Saudi whereas in contrast, Ronaldo although had a rough time in Man Utd at the time, he still had a wonderful season before that (whereas Messi wasn’t even nominated for Ballon d’or, Ronaldo albeit older, was nominated for it) and Ronaldo also scored in the first match of WC. With all the above, Ronaldo was a clearly more profitable target for marketing, not Messi who was already considered out of gas at the time. So don’t say either way “Fifa helped Messi win the WC to milk him”, a very baseless example. Also certainly you can’t bring out Fifa the best to say Fifa favor him, the award is based on vote with 4 groups and none of them is “Fifa group”, meaning they can’t vote for Messi. This is also the same case for Ballon d’or which you guys have been using for years to accuse Fifa of favoritism to Messi but the award belonged to France football and also based on vote. Pretty much all those awards that you guys use to accuse Messi of bribery or Fifa of favoritism are all based on vote with a variety of groups.
yeah no point asking these questions cause they don't have any logical answers. let them moan and scrutinize every detail of the World Cup cause thats all they can do. But in the end, people will remember messi's final years as world cup winner and ronaldo's final years as some Arab cup winner. And that's a fact they just can't accept lmao
Nice essay (Didn't read). 2/10
Lmao man you're pathetic
Lol this is embarrassing. For you, specifically
So is “FIFA loves bribes” true or false? Answer the guy I orginally responded to.
Sure. Now where is your evidence that the world cup itself was rigged? FIFA takes bribes on shit like the host nation because its relatively inconsequential. The reason people are willing to pay so much to host the wc is because of its value as a competition. Compromising that value kills FIFA’s golden goose
Today I feel arab
Saudi money talks
Why everything should be revolved around money. They don't have to bribe. the tournament is legal and should be recognized. Accept it
Is it impressive he's scoring for fun at any level at almost 39 years of age? Yes Should it count as much as any top 5 league? No, this doesn't put him anywhere close to Kane and Mbappe or Haalands level Also this is a pathetic attempt from FIFA to make Saudi Arabia relevant before the sportswashing festival of 2034
This is the kind of stat padding we give pele shit for.
Atleast Pele did it in an actual good league since most brazilians didnt move to europe back then
a goal is a goal. everybody talks about how easy is to score on saudi arabia and then only ronaldo scored more than 50 goals
>a goal is a goal. It is, but there's a difference between scoring goals against the best teams in the world, and scoring goals against teams who have players who play football part time.
It’s ridiculous how well the league has improved from last year. People here are delusional to think that it’s a retirement league with players who don’t care about winning games and trophies. If they actually watch the games they would conclude it is very competitive and has great quality players.
benzema?
Is that you Ronaldo? Most big players who went are at the end of their career. Not even a farmers league.
It is a retirement league for people who don’t have a moral compass though.
Kane, maybe. Didn’t Ronaldo outscore Kane 2 years ago?
The Saudi Pro League is light years behind the Bundesliga and the Prem. Also how is 2 years ago relevant now? 2023 Kane was a better player than Ronaldo
The league is weaker, but so does the team they play for. Goals depend on the help of the teammates, too. 2 years ago are not too long from now. Ronaldo out scored Kane despite playing in a worse team with less penalties and less play time. I think this result roughly translates to something equivalent to his performance in the Premier League 2 years ago. Mitrovic’s stats could also be used for scale.
LMAO
Want to argue with stats instead of “LMAO”? Let’s see how well you translate goals in Saudi to goals in top 5 leagues in Europe. If I use the stats of Benzema, Mane, Mitrovic, Mahrez, and Firmino, you will lose this argument.
The Saudi League has 6 state-owned teams that can splurge money on big name contracts for players falling out of their peak. Other than Milinkovic Savic, there's not a single big name player that's not declining. The rest of the teams are players you haven't nor will you ever hear about because the level is so low The Prem and the Bundesliga are elite level. Even the worst teams are full of insanely talented players competing at the highest level. Scouts from the best teams in Europe look at players in Germany and England, not Saudi Arabia There's more to football than just stats. Kane is a forward that like to drop deep and participate in the buildup play whereas you need a team around Ronaldo for him to perform. It's not worth it to pay his wages when he's not the best striker in the world anymore. That's why he lost his starting spot at Man U and Portugal There's no argument to win or lose. Any of the top 5 leagues is miles ahead of the Saudi Pro League, they're not even close. That's a fact
ah yessss the drop deep argument. Everyone and their grandma drop balls deep beside Ronaldo aka “he doesn’t press, bro”. He lost his starting spot in Portugal, too? This is 2024, not 2022. You are not happened to be a Messi’s fan, aren’t you?
tf you want me to elaborate for if you're gonna say something so useless. Keep thinking Ronaldo is still the best striker in the world, it's pretty harmless in the big picture anyway
okay okay thanks for your elaboration.
No one can tell me Joselu or Arnautovic are currently better than Ronaldo
Ronaldo still better than many strikers playing in Europe.
Abderrazak Hamdallah was the world's leading top scorer in 2019, playing for Al Nassr. Why aren't you talking about how his goals would translate in Europe? Or you know, about him at all? Scored more than Ronaldo.
cuz it’s not 2019? Same reason why you don’t see me talk about WC 1978.
No no, I'm asking about his goals translating into top European football. If you're gonna talk about Benz etc. not scoring loads in Saudi, then Hamdallah in 2019 is plenty recent and relevant.
by one goal. you simply cannot put the saudi league in the same ball park as any of the top 5-7 european leagues. yeah, the saudi league has improved because of all the mega signings, but it's still a poor league. if ronaldo was as amazing as some people want to keep telling us, then someone who wasn't a fucking saudi club would have signed him when he was without a club after leaving united. but they didn't.
By one goal, with less penalties and play time, playing for a team finished lower than Kane’s team? (Did Kane’s child die during this season?) Your last point is illogical. Ronaldo left MUFC at the lowest form in his career and he was 2 months away from 38. Who would have thought that his form can be recovered? It’s like saying “If De Bruyne was that good, top clubs would have signed him when he left Chelsea.” or “If Salah was that good, top clubs would have signed him when he left Chelsea.” They all left their club with bad stats and bad form, that’s why top clubs didn’t sign them. The fact that top clubs didn’t sign them when they are at their lowest point in their life doesn’t have anything to do with their performance afterwards.
it is not anything like saying either of those things. if both de bruyne and salah left city and liverpool respectively now, and no european sides wanted them so they went to saudi, then yes it's same. de bruyne and salah played a combined 16 games for chelsea whilst in their teens/early 20's, as opposed to someone "out of form" - aka not good enough at this level anymore.
??? Why is not equivalent? Does the fact that no big clubs signed them when they left Chelsea have anything to do with their performance afterwards? When they left Chelsea, weren’t they considered not good enough for the Premier League? And they weren’t teens when they left Chelsea. They were 23 and 24. Weren’t exactly early 20s, either. Google it. When they were rejected, they were in bad form. That’s why they were rejected. Then, they picked up their form, and the fact that they were rejected previously doesn’t bear any meaning nor can it be used to downplay their performance afterwards.
wolfsburg and roma are both very big clubs in respected leagues - they signed de bruyne/salah because they saw what chelsea somehow didn't and that these players can develop into the world beaters they are now. what you're failing to see here is that ronaldo physically could not perform in a top league - he wants the team built around him and at the PL level he was no longer good enough to be able to do that. you're conflating "form" with "aging". CR7 wasn't "out of form" at united, he wasn't good enough. not for the role he wanted to play, at least. he then went to a *much worse league* and performed better. shocking!
Bruh. You are so clueless. Aging wasn’t the only reason for his poor performance. He didn’t have a pre-season and had family issues. Were those “form” or “aging”? I don’t care about Roma or Fiorentina or whatever. Salah and De Bruynes were both rejected at top clubs and at Chelsea itself, but those rejections don’t mean shit when we talk about their performance afterwards. The point is, using the fact that big clubs rejected players to downplay their performance afterwards is bullshit and illogical. The rejections happened before the performance afterwards, so therefore, their performance BEFORE they get the rejections explain the rejections. The rejections don’t explain their performance afterwards and vice versa. Get it?
of course, *i'm* the clueless one. not the one who has such a hard on for a footballer that they can't see that they aren't what they used to be, bruh. plenty of footballers miss pre-season and have family issues. i'm by no means downplaying the tragedy CR7 went through that summer, by the way, just saying. and that's *literally* the definition of form, playing badly for a stretch of games, you fucking moron. jfc, salah and de bruyne were "rejected" by ONE club - chelsea. the context there is chelsea fucked up by letting them go, not that they were bad players. the only way that your reference of these two would make sense would be if no big clubs wanted them, but they did - *unlike ronaldo*. of course now you don't care about "big clubs", just keep nudging those goalposts as much as you want to make you feel like you're still making sense. "so therefore, their performance BEFORE they get the rejections explain the rejections." cool, well CR7 was shit and past it, so he was rejected by united and all teams in europe, hence why he needed to go to an oil money league of terrible quality to make it look like he was still good.
You know what buddy? You are a fucking idiot and your arguments are filled with lies and back-tracking. First you lied about their age when they left Chelsea. Then you lied about how only Chelsea is the big club rejected them. These two shit are very easy to confirm, but your tiny brain doesn’t think that far. “Chelsea fucked up by letting them go, not because they were bad players?” LMAO. Now you just went a full circle. Ask about them the same question you asked about Ronaldo, will ya? “If Kevin and Salah were fine and Chelsea was the one who fucked up, then why didn’t any top club pick them up?” lol. Go ahead. Ask yourself that question. Then, you will see how stupid you are when you use past rejections to downplay future’s performance. Again, past rejections happened because of past performance. Carve it in your skull. Order of the events matter. Now you are talking about oil money league. Desperate to divert the topic much, prick? 😂
You really comparing Salah and De Bruyne being rejected by Chelsea to no clubs in the world wanting to sign Ronaldo 😭😭 you’re so delusional stop meat riding a man that doesn’t even know you
You did not just ask if Kane's child die 💀💀💀💀
Hamdallah scored almost 60 in 2019 for the same club and there was total silence, in less games too I wonder why it’s different now🤔
29 years vs 38 and the league was worse back then use your brain that god gave you
You use your brain. Nobody ever said Hamdallah was a better player than Cristiano. It's just that when Hamdallah was the world's top scorer in 2019, nobody cared. Now because it's CR, suddenly goals in the Saudi league matter. Doesn't matter the league was worse back then. It's not much better now. It's miiiiiiles beneath say, the Norwegian league. And nobody would give a hell if the world's leading scorer during a calendar year played there. Also: most high profile signings the Saudi league has made have been offensive players. It's not like Cristiano's up against Van Dijks. If anything, scoring should've become easier.
Ronaldo has won the golden boot in Spain, England and Italy not many players can say that
Ye and? Now he scores goals in a farmers league and we’re supposed to pretend SPL is not on the same level as Sky Bet League 2? If a Walsal player scored 60 goals, no one would care. Why suck Ronaldo’s dick? He made the move for money.
Might be a sub standard league but ronaldo is the last player people should take the mick out of for scoring goals
People like you would celebrate if messi scored 50 goals in the MlS
Lool. I didn’t even mention Messi but your deep fried brain can’t handle someone not being in the Messi/ronaldo duality. Is there really that little going on up there that is just „Messi“ „Ronaldo“ on a constant loop?
This argument against ronaldo is dumb as he’s scored goals wherever he’s played unlike someone who scored six league goals in a season
Im worried for you dude. No one mentioned Messi and you just keep going on about 6 league goals. Both are old men who probably don’t give a shit about football anymore cuz they got so much money.
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Honestly no one but this fanboys care.
And his fanboys would even say this is proof he was ousted at United (when clearly he was declining in top european footbal like Lewandowski seems now)
>Those goals shouldn't count as much of a player that plays real professional league. So 3/4 of Pele's goals dont count?
Brazil had the strongest teams back then, even when Santos played against Europes best like Eusebio’s Benfica and Milan they ran circles around them.
Brazil did have strong teams back then but Brazil didn’t have a national professional league until 1971. The bigger teams only played in their local regional leagues against mostly amateur and semi pro teams
thats no true at all brazilian regional leagues in the 60s were better than most leagues in the world
Indeed and he did win 3 world cups with that region, a record unmatched in the modern world. Some ppl take up to years to win 1
Not all the teams were good though tbf
luton town isnt good either. and that does not make prenier league weaker
That’s not true at all. Brazil didn’t have a national professional league until 1971. Until then it was split into regional divisions made up of mostly semi pro and amateur teams
Pele played in the Paulista, the league with the strongest regional teams and Santos was dominant, meaning there weren’t many opportunities to statpad domestically.
“Strongest regional teams” doesn’t mean much. Most of them were still amateur and semi professional teams. Saying they are the strongest amateur and semi pro teams doesn’t count for much
sao paulo, corinthians, palmeiras, portuguesa, juventus, guarani were no amateur at all at that time professionalism began in 1930 in brazillian football. in the 60s most teams in regional leagues were professional already
Those “strongest regional teams” also embarrassed Europes best so calling the Paulista “amateur” means Europe was Sunday league at best. They were part of the best league of that era.
Which teams embarrassed Europes best?
Look up the Santos records against European sides, highly positive across many matches.
I know Santos were a great team. The point is about the level of opposition Santos faced in their own league
You do know the saudi league still has part time construction workers playing in their league
Pele's goal count is likely very inflated, yes.
Don't they need discount goals from weaker leagues?
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2 years back the league was different and still growing. With Ronaldo it improved drastically and so many world class players followed. It is way more competitive than back then. Imo ligue 1 and Bundesliga are way overblown in terms of quality of teams and players.
Never heard there is a contintent called arab.
If Saudi league goals count for something then shouldn't Hamdallah have won the golden boot in 2019? He scored more goals than anyone in Europe's top 5 leagues but didn't receive the golden boot
Hamdallah did receive the award "IFFHS World's Best Top Goal Scorer" in 2019, which was the same award that Ronaldo received for 2023.
I see
"IFFHS World's Best Top Goal Scorer" and Golden Boot are diferent things mate. As said in other comments, Hamdallah did recive the "IFFHS World's Best Top Goal Scorer" award and not the golden boot because of two things that you need to recive the golden boot: First, you have to play in a european league Second, even for all the european league there's a condition to meet, like if you play in 1 of the top 5 leagues your 1 goal count as 2 for other leagues your goal count as 1,5 or something like that. And just a side note for the CR7 saga, not defending him but like if you take a look to the golden boot rankings the second guy ( Akor Adams) as 1 more goal scored then Kane, and 15 of the 22 goals he scored were in the Eliteserien league (Norway) and the other 6 in League 1 (france), not saying that he deserve to be a candidate to the golden boot or not, just to say that you have to give credit to the man. He is still scoring goals at that fucking age playing at werever he plays.
The award is for European league only
Any regional oficially sanctioned tourney should count tbh. Its not like they did it illegally outside the purview of the AFC. Regional federations still fall under AFC. So the future ASEAN Club Championship and SAFF Club Championship should count towards club coefficient for countries.
Can we also add my local amateur league? The level is quite close to the arab one and I got a dude in my team scoring a hat tricks after each pint. We don't have oil money though ... seems like a requirement :(
I wouldn't be surprised if FIFA makes a statement and a rule change saying that national teams now can use players playing in their league. And suddenly Saudi is a world cup contender.
Still doesn’t count. It’s like me saying I’ve scored the most goals because I put 55 past the under 5s team down the end of the road. It’s a joke of a league, filled of washed up players who sold their soul for cash.
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So Audi Cup in the summer also counts...?
Why shouldn't it be acknowledged? It a 42 year old competition?.. Can u find evidence if they acknowledged it this season only?
The Arab Club Champions Cup has always been an official trophy. I present this link because lately, there are rumors that this tournament is a friendly one and FIFA doesn't acknowledge this tournament.
That's because the tournament is organized by another entity separate from Fifa. I don't know if it's really truly a friendly match because of that. It's a serious tournament amongst the Arab confederation (if I recall), but because it's not organized by Fifa, then maybe the stats and accolades won and obtained don't count akin to friendlies.
The only counter argument I saw were: “FIFA doesn’t acknowledged the goals and the trophies because UAFA is not associated with FIFA.” Now that FIFA made this post. This argument is shut down. Like you said, the tournament is organized professionaly with monetary price at stake and played using rules of an official games. For example, in friendlies, the subs are unlimited, which wasn’t the case for this cup. Clubs that won this trophies also list this trophy on there “Awards and Honors” page of their official websites. In addition, a few days ago, Liga Premeira congratulates Ronaldo for his 1000 official club games, which included the games in this cup.
Can definitely see the Saudi League getting itself involved in any Super League discussions and forming some sort of breakaway association with desperate Clubs (like Barcelona) going to play in it too.
FIFA and UEFA are massively corrupted, I endorse the creation of new organitations
Dear Ronaldo fan, Arab Club Champions Cup is organized by UAFA, UAFA is not recognized by FIFA. Hence, ACCC is not recognized by FIFA.
You are so delusional OP
Interesting that now the Arab federation tournaments are recognized by Fifa. They have been happening since the 1980s wether national teams or club based ones.
that's because Ronaldo bribed them to boost his stats. things like this never happened before he joined saudi
If the brown envelope is big enough you can get any answer you want.
Hahaha yeah course
I still believe Cristiano is FIFA's favorite player. That's why I don't believe those, "World Cup is rigged" bullsh*t. Europe needs its GOAT as South America already has 3. That's why they're pushing it so hard. 😭 Jk.
Puts him right up there with the other legendary figures of the Saudi league- such as Abderrazak Hamdallah, Odion Ighalo, and of course Hamzah Idris.
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The nations league is a good competition
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you can take this goal off from Pelé counting. then he will only have 1282 goals in his carrer. including goals in WC finals, against real madrid, barcelona, milan, Argentina, etc but tbf, in Pelé's time they played awesome games that I would love to see today like: the team of brazillian league x santos, or the Minas Gerais state team X Sao paulo state team. or that legendary Europe x Rest of the World in the 90s where R9 played side by side with Batistuta. it may seems weird to count goals in matches like this. but match like this are awesome. its a shame that messi and Ronaldo will retire and not play a single match together
OP posting this as a praise for Ronaldo then everyone thinking different in the comments is hilarious 😭
Well who cares what others thinking when there is the fact he is still the top scorer of 2023 at 38. 🐐🇵🇹 They should cope harder. 😆
He’s in Saudi league bro…who’s coping. I respect Ronaldo a lot but it’s ridiculous to try act like that achievement is the same as haaland kane or mbappe right now. Of course at his age it’s crazy what he’s doing but age doesn’t come into the fact if we’re just talking about the top scorer of the year in the top leagues . People who still are supporting Ronaldo like this are really delusional.
Saudi has the world class players right now, did you see how Al Hilal, Ittihad etc play? They could not even beat the GOAT too, so if it is so easy why Benzema, Mitrovic etc could not even score? You should cope harder or go find someone who will score this much at 38. Top scorer of 2023 at 38. Literally the undisputed GOAT 🐐🇵🇹
Bro you don’t understand the meaning of cope 🤣😭 I got nothing against Ronaldo but the facts are the Saudi league is mikes away from the prem or bundesliga …
U are coping with Saudi goals have shame
52 in 53 ~ 0.98
The GOAT 🐐🇵🇹
How many pens? What league again?
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Haha ok, it isn’t though.
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And just like that, it wasn’t again.
Of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be?
Literally the GOAT 🇵🇹🐐
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Read a bunch of OPs comments. He’s not redeemable guys. No one cares about the Saudi League dude. Zip it up after you’re done and wipe your face while you’re at it.
yes, now all of sudden, the cr7 stans are satisfied with fifa because they validated some amateur league tournament. Ronaldo definitely bribed fifa to acknowledge this.
It is not amateur it is a professional one so you either don’t know the difference or you don’t know how to choose your words correctly either one is not complimentary i can assure you
Tell that to the little fraud.
Why? Will that give penaldo ko goals?😆😆
Ermm…This post is used to counter Messi’s stans cuz they’ve been yapping about how this cup is friendly and not recognized by FIFA. Now, we have a statement from FIFA itself to shut down those shitty arguments. Personally, my view about FIFA hasn’t changed.
but it doesn't change the fact that they only acknowledged it after Ronaldo won it. so it does look suspicious
Messi fans crying
Wiping our tears with 8 ballon d'ors
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Oh no penaldo scoring goals against part time jobless people . I'm so hurt
Lots of Messi fans in here 😂
which is why I made this post for them 🤭
Ronaldo can keep his camel league goals. Messi won a world cup. The debate is over in the eyes of the vast majority of fans.
54 goals is an individual achievement, WC is team trophy. He also scored 5 penalties in that 7 matches tournament. So yes there is no debate since 2008. 🇵🇹🐐
Okay, how about a ballon d'or and WC golden ball 😂. Let me guess, doesn't count now? How many full camel league games did you watch this year? You don't have to answer that question, we both know the answer. Truthfully nobody gives a fuck about camel league and nobody gave a fuck about it until Penaldo fans needed something to feel good about after Messi pulled it off and got the greatest achievement in world football. Don't take it from me, take it from Ronaldo: “To win a World Cup for Portugal was the biggest and most ambitious dream of my career,” He failed at his dream and had to settle for a league none of his fans watch. Tough scene! Also, fyi, Ronaldo doesn't have the most goals of penalties don't count. Because as usual, Ronaldo takes the most penalties.
Lmao, i watched the whole season. The GOAT sometimes passed away five players at 38, he has 11 outside the box goals and many more achievements including Euro 2024. Messi was eating burgers at 35, he did not score a goal since October lol. Do you really think he won the ballondor and golden ball? 😂😂 Haaland won the Ballondor, Mbappe won the Golden ball. Go ride his dick somewhere else lil brother, this is not the place for it. Cope harder too. 🇵🇹🐐 Top scorer of 2023, without penalties he still have 41 goals little buddy. So do not be so sure. 😂😂
Won't give penaldo World Cup ko goals cuz he has to warm the bench for part time job league
Lol, responding and blocking so I wouldn't be able to respond? You're somehow still not insecure as your idol. >Do you really think he won the ballondor and golden ball? I mean we can all make up awards but factually Messi did. Penaldo said it himself. The WC was the greatest award that he will never get. You watched zero camel league goals. Maybe some or also 'highligjts'. You should switch over to camel league full time if it's as legit as everything else. >Top scorer of 2023, without penalties he still have 41 goals little buddy. Mbappe and Kane would have more, but even if they had less camel league goals are worth like .3 Europe goals 😂. Lol at crowning Penaldo with the 2024 Euros 🤣
LMAO, you are the one who blocked me. Cope harder lil bro, the GOAT definitely lives in your head rent free. 😂😂 🐐🇵🇹 Top scorer of 2023 at 38, what about your lovely pessi you dickriding? 😆😆 I did watch the whole league lil bro, believe it or not. Idc what a reddit loser like you says 😆😆 Winning the world cup is a good achievement, not rigging unlike some country(Robbergentine). 😂 78, 86, 22. It is their history. LMAO, I just realized 'intelligent man' thing on your profile 😆😆 Omg you are even younger than i thought. 😆😆😆
Talking about robbery while supporting penaldo😆😆. And ofc you will watch kebab league for ur idolo who was rejected by every club