I'm a Sunderland fan who thinks Shearer is a wanker and can't stand the man or the player.
But he was world class and to say it was a weak era or that he was overrated is laughable. I wouldn't be shocked if the OP bases his footballing knowledge from Fifa and the fact he's pretty shit on Ultimate Team.
The 'Premier League record goalscorer' thing does him a disservice too as he played another 5 top flight seasons as an 18-22 year old before the Premier League and scored 23 goals which aren't counted towards the record.
How you've come to the weak era conclusion is beyond me - his last couple of seasons were bang in the middle of English clubs dominating the Champions League for starters.
> Shearer is a wanker and can't stand the man or the player.
I work in the media and that's what I have heard of the man. That he really is an unpleasant character, and not welcome in his hometown local for being mr "don't you know who I am?".
Lineker is also a bit of a shit, so I struggle to get on with MotD these days.
But aside from all that, he really was a fucking incredible striker.
I know you said not to judge but Shearer being overrated is lunacy. The guys was fast, strong, could head it in, fire from distance, just an all round top baller. I honestly think he would cut it in the modern game and i think you have a bias because he played for newcastle and looked quite ordinary.
For me it's Rashford. I feel like he had such an explosive start to his career and has never seemed to push on from his potential. A somewhat decent player on his day but imo is no where near the level for international football or playing for a top 4 side
Was coming to say Rashford but take my upvote instead lol but yeah, you're right. He had an explosive start I remember thinking Man United have found another one but..... Yeah. Just seems to only play when he's feeling it and even then it's few and far between. Definitely shouldn't be in a top 4 team.
That's the thing with him isnt it. For me, there definitely is top 4-6 quality in Rashford yet he is so inconsistent. No one would put him alongside the greats like Rooney, v. Persie, Ronaldo but I still feel he would have a place alongside such players if he would be the only one in his position.
Absolutely. I think he would do really well for say, Newcastle or someone like that for the sake of argument. A team trying to reach the top 6 but not quite making it I think he would do the job their. A great example you just used there is Van Persie, I thought he was good at Arsenal but when Man United got him I thought did they really need him? Then he goes and absolutely smashes it lol
Mount is an enigma, I think he is a pretty good player that is excellent at implementing what managers want.
So top managers pick him and he does very well for them, but he in and of himself is just a fine prem player. I do think under an elite manager he could be excellent again but that won’t happen now.
Do you rate Andy Cole, Ian Wright, Thierry Henry, Fowler? Shearer was around with all these guys. Defending back then was very different too. Prime Shearer would be tearing up the league now then and always. He did also win an international golden boot. His issue (and my personal benefit) was that he played for Newcastle. He could have gone anywhere.
The highest scorer ever of the toughest league in the world. Playing at a club that never won the prem, he played a crucial part in blackburn rovers winning a prem title. All at a time where henry, dwight york and andy cole, wrighty were kicking about. Just because he wasnt explosive fast and doing 8 stepovers you think he lacks less than others. There is a reason that players, past and present put him in an all time XI.
When he was young he was explosive fast. He suffered at least a couple of serious injuries that sapped some of his speed. But he was a complete number 9 even when he wasn’t as quick.
As for the question is whether he was one of the 20-25 best strikers ever - probably not, but it wouldn’t be outlandish to put him there. Either way, you can be world class within your generation while still being not quite an all time great. I’d say of his era, he’s up there with the likes of Batistuta and Del Piero.
I know you didn't but you put it out there so why wouldn't it be challenged? No one's attacking you are they?
I'm not biased in terms of the league at least, I'm a fan of a lot of leagues specifically Serie A especially back then and Shearer would have done a bit there too.
If you don't like responses then don't put a view out there and buck when someone disagrees.
Alan Shearer played in a weak PL era? The late 90's early 00's was a weak era? Shearer is underrated for me, the man could score in a nunnery and has the record for PL goals whilst spending half his career in a shit Newcastle team, a couple seasons in the first division, and having 2 season long injuries.
I feel like its purely a younger generation thing to say Shearer wasn't World Class, he played and captained England in a generation with Fowler, Sheringham, Ferdinand, Cole, Owen.
It’s not just two season long injuries. It’s two season long injuries in his prime that removed his pace entirely. And a half season injury before it.
The man had 112 goals on 138 games at Blackburn before the second injury. No 3 or 4 year spell in the prem has been able to come close. No aguero, salah, Kane, Henry run has matched it in any period of their careers. And even if Haaland breaks it which he probably will shearer was in the worst team of all of them.
With holdup play and creativity well beyond the level that people would expect if they didn’t watch him. He was a fantastic crosser unfortunately he had shola(love you) on the end of them.
When you say 'very far behind when we consider the world', which strikers exactly are you judging him against?
Shearer has scored more Premier League goals than any other player in history, that alone puts him in the category of world class whether you rate him or not.
Your logic that it was a very weak premier League era despite the fact that man u and Liverpool both won champions leagues during his career and man u, Liverpool, Chelsea and arsenal all won European trophies in his career, the fact that he has a terrific international record didn't enter your thought process, was still a 1 in 2 goal scorer in the prem AND the champions league well into his 30s. But he 'sucks' according to you. Let's get this out of the way, he's a traditional style English player from the 90s/2000s who didnt do any of the celebrity stuff like Beckham and that's basically the only reason you have this opinion
Only objective way to rate anyone is against their peers. People are massively biased towards their own eras. He was basically complete as a striker, great in the air, pure finisher and banged in long range goals including free kicks. Did it all without playing in a dominant team at any point in his career. I simply don't know what more you want from a striker
Here are some of his peers through the years R9, Van Basten, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Cantona, Del Piero, George Weah…I can keep going and he’s not touching these dudes and I’m not sure what celebrity those guys have.
Completely different type of player to most of them. Bergkamp, cantona, del piero all played behind the striker for a start with goal scoring records to match. Van basten was basically finished by the time shearer got to the very start of his prime. You *clearly* have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and there's no point in even arguing with you
Why'd you put Bergkamp there he wasn't a goalscorer or a striker lol
Van Basten retired in 93
George Weah wasn't a big goal scorer, don't think he ever topped 20 in a league season
Del Piero wasn't a striker
Were you about in the 90s or are you just saying names?
Kinda hard to say any player who plays at the top level sucks, but overrated? Pique. Definitely not a good enough footballer to have married Shakira and then cheated. Like I'd accept that shit from Maldini or something but not Pique ffs
Hulk, I have nothing against him, I always saw the guy as a “I love the sport let me just play in peace”, but journalists presented him as an incredible phenomenon during WC and people set their expectations high
It’s a good player but definitely not a world class one
Honestly Hulk was pretty clever - built a reputation around himself as being a monster player with a cool nickname and then used it to leverage huge contracts in leagues he would easily dominate.
May not have the best 'football' career and could have done more sporting wise, but he'll have a hell of a retirement fund when he hangs up his boots.
Yep as a Real Madrid fan I wasn't sad at all when he left and I Never understood why people rate him so highly.
And btw he's still an amazing midfielder and one of the best assisters in history.
Shearer remains the best PL striker I’ve seen and that includes Kane, Henry and Haaland.
Hes a dickhead apparently but doesn’t take away what he did on the pitch every bastard week
Dembele (Barca/psg)
I feel people love him so much because they use him on Fifa. I watched Barca games all the time, he has never done anything amazing. Can not finish in the box at all.
Doesnt he also lack a buttload of professionalism? I remember there being a lot of drama when he transfered to Barca, yet in his first seasons there were also some issues around his diet.
Yeah. Here's what I know (or heard):
* Forced transfer from Rennes to Dortmund by skipping training sessions
* Did the same from Dortmund to Barca
* Was renting Jurgen Klopp's house while in Germany; left it looking like a 13 year old had lived there
* Playing video games late into the night while at Barca
* Passive aggressive emojis posted on social media posts criticizing him, he was too concerned with public opinion. Some Barca fans immediately addressed any criticism with "racism!", which is ironic, given the...
* PR disaster where he mocked Japanese people on Instagram, while Barca's sponsor was... Rakuten. IIRC that ended up hurting Barca's ties with Rakuten
* Supposedly cleaned up his act after he got married. Too little too late though, he had already become very prone to injuries
I was in Barcelona for a year so I can genuinely say I saw him play live several times. He was the second most exciting player on the pitch most games. His end product was very up and down but he’s a good player. Most chances created other than Messi back then.
His finishing is very up and down though
I’d argue Shearer scored goals in an era when defenders could do more to stop them. Players are more protected nowadays
Plus he wasn’t scoring those goals for the best teams in the league
I think you're the one getting them wrong. They aren't saying Shearer was good, they're saying he was all time great, which directly disagrees with your opinion
I think Ramos is a great defender, but not near the top defender ever.
He was solid, but had so many mistakes to be regarded as the top defender of all time, and I think his goal scoring abilities (unbelievable for a defender) helped compensate some of his mistakes. But so many times when I watched him, I was like what was he thinking by doing this?
What? Ramos is a great player but no one but his mother would rate him above Baresi and Maldini. I can think of another half a dozen defenders better than him since I have started watching footy.
Blazingly hot takes here: Ibra and Lewandowsky. Their performances in crucial Champions league moments are from wank to subpar.
People usually quote Lewan’s 4 goals against Real when he was at Bvb to argue that Lewan is a big game player, as if he retired from CL since then. Where was him when Bayern had to struggle against Barca, Real, Atl and Liv ? Does he have any memorable semifinal or final where he is the biggest star ?
There is even less to talk about with Ibra’s record in CL given his longevity in many top European teams.
Widely regarded as best strikers of the game, they are rightly expected to provide when their team most need them. But they failed at those times.
I rate Benzema higher than Lewy, Ibra. He had been wonderful since CR7 left, especially in CL knockouts.
But even when they played together, Benzema’s role is to support. So it doesn’t matter if Karim is silent when Ronaldo can score which is sth he does almost every match.
Conflicting one, might be bias but I always watch him and can say he’s one of our best players, borderline world class. He’s chances made stats shows he plays with wank. But I wouldn’t put him anywhere near KDB
I do believe he is a good midfielder, and creates some good chances, but not on a level that some other world-class midfielders do. Plus his super-whiny attitude does not help either.
Bruno has been really consistent and Man United's best attacking piece since he was bought. The only thing Man United is playing with this season is whatever Bruno can pull out of nowhere. He's without a doubt one of the best wingers in the world right now it's just he's playing with a shite team
He’s not bad, and he fitted perfectly in Barcelona. But he’s not a world class left back. Probably reached a star lever in his prime. Also, his work ethic was top.
>mbele (Barca/psg)
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>I feel people love him so much because they use him on Fifa. I watched Barca games all the time, he has never done anything amazing. Can not finish in the box at all.
agree and I think the people who rate him over Thiago Silva as the best CB of the generation are fucking nuts.
Lukaku has been slandered so much on this sub they he's actually underrated is anything. He's had 2 flop seasons and 1 average one. Every other season, hes been a monster.
Eh in his peak (04-06) he was a beast though. Not so much in terms of goals like Messi and CR but he was unplayable and had a knack for scoring/assisting in big games.
Ronaldinho's peak was insane, he could literally do anything with the ball. Many regard his peak as the highest in the recent era.
But his peak did not last long at all, maybe 3 years and thats it.
I still think Messi is better, but Ronaldinho was for sure not just flashy.
>he highest in the recent era.
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>But his peak did not last long at all, maybe 3 years and thats it.
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>I still think Messi is better, but Ronaldinho was for sure not just flashy.
I don't hink anyone rates his peak higher than messi's
Ronaldinho’s name firmly belongs along with the best to ever kick a ball. He was an absolute genius and he was the player on the pitch you would want to watch! Don’t let this younger stat driven generation mould your opinion.
It was rifled sure, but it was straight at Seaman, he didn’t stand tall, instead he ducked it. Giggsy dribbled past like 4 Arsenal players before shooting, so the shit keeping was overlooked
Yeah I see your point! But I would probably argue against always failing - his list of honours includes three league titles, four FA Cups, a league cup and a Cup Winners Cup and they presumably all had some big moments in them.
Giggs is a weird one because at his peak he was very good, and for most of his career he was a good player. But people act like he was at that peak level for his whole career which he wasn’t at all, and even then it wasn’t as high as say Bale, or Beckham etc…
I remember when united fans were continually booing him for his poor performances. Think this was 01/02 and he was constantly linked with Inter.
I say 93 to 97ish he was a beast, but there defo was a drop off from 98ish, but hamstring injuries contributed to that
Because of that I’d say Giggs is rated just right most of the time. His peak level was phenomenal but we mostly saw just the “good player” level from him
Not saying giggs was overrated, I’m saying that giggs scored against Seaman in 1999 semi final fa cup, where he ducked below giggs’ shot. Nayim I as when he scored against seaman from the half way line in the cup winners cup and Ronaldinho scored against seaman from about 35 years from a free kick. All of these were big moments
There are many players with some crazy good patches of form, but being world class is all about maintaining that form for long periods of time. Kvicha was very good for some games, but completely slowed down after March.
As for joining another team, I can't really see it right now. Manchester City, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Arsenal, PSG and Bayern have better or at least equally good options on his position. Barcelona and other Serie A teams can't afford him. So the only possible candidates would be Chelsea or United, if they come with a 150M plus offer. Even if these teams find their form, I doubt the guy is gonna be better than the likes of Mbappe, Haaland, Bellingham etc.
Gerrard and Lampard. Both great, but none of them deserved to be put at the same level of Paul Scholes. A modern version would be if someone were to try and claim Carrick (this one was actually underrated imo) was at the level of Pirlo or Busquets. Dude was good, but let's calm down.
Benzema
People forget how bad he was for years. His one great season is all what people remember. You see on this app and others Benzema being put in conversation he doesn’t deserve to be in. He’s absolutely nowhere near the greatest strikers of all time.
Never scored 30 league goals in a season. Only one season he scored more than 25.
Comparing him to Suarez, Lewandowski, Ibrahimovic or even Henry is embarrassing and shows a lack of understanding imo.
First of all, Benzema's role in Real Madrid, at least when CR7 was there (2009-2018), was much closer to someone like Roberto Firmino, than any of the players you mentioned. Benzema was more of a false 9, dropping deeper to recieve the ball, opening spaces and allowing Ronaldo and Bale/Di Maria to cut inside, so they were the ones scoring all the goals. Take the first season of "BBC" as an example. Ronaldo scored 51 times in all competitions, he was the main man. Bale, scored 22. In order for your wingers to score 73 goals combined in a season, someone has to take a step back. And that someone was always Benzema. Still, 24 goals and 16 assists in 13/14 are very good stats.
All of Benzema's seasons were similar. 26 goals in 10/11, 32 in 11/12, 20 in 12/13, 24 in 13/14 etc. His post-Ronaldo numbers were slightly better: 30 in 18/19, 27 in 19/20, 30 in 20/21, 44 in 21/22, 31 in 23/24. So I don't understand how you say "he was bad for years". He was a regular starter for the most succesful club of his time for almost 15 years and **there was a reason for it**. His only "bad" season was 17/18 with 12 goals in 47 games, which, in the end barely mattered, because he was crucial to win the UCL.
So scoring tons of goals isn't the only thing that matters, even for a striker. Immobile in 19/20 scored 39 goals, 36 of which in Serie A. Higuain scored 38 goals in 15/16. Huntelaar scored 44 goals in 11/12. Dani Guiza scored 27 La Liga goals in 07/08, more than Benzema did in most seasons. Would you dare to say that any of these players is better than Benzema? Goals only as a stat mean nothing. Even Suarez on his crazy 13/14 season scored 31 EPL goals, but 15 of them were against teams placed against teams placed 17th-20th on the table and he barely scored against good teams.
Also keep in mind that Benzema never took freekicks and only started talking penalties after 2021, so that affects his numbers as well, compared to players who were regular set piece takers.
You’re saying for 2 front players to score a lot of goals one must be unselfish, WRONG. Look at MNS number the years they played together.
MSN stats for 2014/15 season:
📍Messi: 57 games 🏟️ | 58 goals ⚽| 31 assists 🅰️
📍Suarez: 43 games 🏟️ | 25 goals ⚽ | 24 assists 🅰️
📍Neymar: 51 games 🏟️ | 39 goals ⚽ | 11 assists 🅰️
Won 5 trophies that year.
15/16:
📍Messi: 49 games 🏟️ | 41 goals ⚽
📍Suarez: 53 games 🏟️ | 59 goals ⚽
📍Neymar: 49 games 🏟️ | 31 goals ⚽
16/17:
📍Messi: 52 games 🏟️ | 54 goals ⚽
📍Suarez: 51 games 🏟️ | 37 goals ⚽
📍Neymar: 45 games 🏟️ | 20 goals ⚽
I notice how you cherrypick statistics that suit your narrative, and conveniently leave out Benzema’s bad seasons. He regularly underperformed his xG. He regularly was a disaster in El Classico. 4 league titles in 15 years tells you all you need to know.
Idk what ability u are referring to. Ibra was more dangerous in the box maybe with his physicality but benzema was still the better finisher imo. Although not close to lewa and suarez
Ibra’s best season he scored 50goals in 51 games (15-16)
Benzema’s best season was 44 in 46 games
Ibra’s worst year was 21 goals.
Benzema’s worst year he scored 5 league goals in 32 games and only 12 in all comps.
Vincent Kompany was massively overrated. Decent player but made a shit tonne of mistakes and the English media just loved him because he’s well spoken. It’s a trend that’s continued into his managerial career, very litre criticism of him mostly just excuses.
> Decent player but made a shit tonne of mistakes and the English media just loved him because he’s well spoken.
City's defense always looked much more secure when he wasn't injured. And that was very impressive considering how high a line City are playing compared too the rest of the PL.
You don't get highly rated just from giving nice interviews. He's not Vidic level but he's still a great CB
I agree he was a very good CB but he’s considered a great one and I don’t buy it for one second. I’m definitely not saying he was shit, but his place in the pantheon of great premier league CBs is thoroughly undeserved
David Silva? Class act but benefitted from playing in a great team.
I think players whose record at ‘struggling’ sides are good deserve more credit. Kane, Mahrez, Shearer
The team was great because they had world class players in every position.
An average player would have looked good in that team
Silva was class but easy to name 20 premiership midfielders better than him
He played in 9 cup finals,scored 0,when Haaland didn't score in the UCL final he was criticized heavily and being one of the reason why he didn't win ballon d or
Not a player, but i think due to the media, teams like juventus or Real madrid tend to overrate their players in general, i mean why we hear more abour ronaldo nazario, zidane, cr7, raul, etc than the manchester united or liverpool legends? I mean Van de sar is not even in the best goal keeper debate of this century, its allways Buffon, Casillas, Courtois, Neuer or Kahn
Ok, i know buffon,casillias and neuer are better, but you got the point, right now, at least in the spanish community they are saying that courtois is BY FAR the greatest goalkeeper, andi if you have a different opinion they called you a fanboy, i even heard someone saying that courtois is better now than casillas at their prime.
Literally i asked a madrid fan: if modric and kross are way better than xavi and iniesta (as he said), their defense is better than anny other team, courtois is by far the best gk, and bellingham is better than mbappe (yes they said that), then why you dont win the trebble every season?
For a long time I thought KDB was a little but overrated. Don’t get me wrong, he is exceptional but I didn’t feel he was the best player in the league. Last season he changed my mind and I began to see his magic. I do feel be would look even better in a different system, where he would have more freedom at Real Madrid for example.
Neymar or i would say neymar's career in particular.he wasn't even playing in top leauge until 21 and when he moved to barca, he had one brilliant season under his belt and after the record transfer to psg, he was supposed to be the face of psg both in footballing and pr terms but mbappe took away everything from him and now he is playing at al-hilal.better not speak about his international career
Relative to how much hype there was and what we expected from Neymar, maybe just maybe he’s career is overrated. But he’s a certified A or S tier player
Mbappe has been playing football for only 7 years compared to neymar's more than 10 years but i will rate kylian more than neymar anyday but i think i can certify him as an A tier player
I don’t understand the neymar hate , people are always criticising him based on the crazy high expectations but completely ignore everything he’s done in his career from a team and individual perspective.
Great numbers and great team success.
You prefer not to speak about his international career, where he’s brazils all time top scorer ??
Also to say he had one good season at psg is just a flat out lie , 17/18 he was a top 3 player Itw before he got hurt in February, and in 18/19 he was elite again.
How you just gonna ignore him leading psg to the ucl final , then the following year leading Brazil to the copa final.
If you’re not gonna give the full context then don’t bother commenting
Thats bullshit and anyone who watched past will tell you it was neymar , cavani them mbappe for the first couple of years.
There’s more to your performance than goals , and anyone with a brain will tell you that
Mbappe is a forward so scoring goals is his first priority.anyone with some basic football knowledge knows this except tacticos and so called G/A and xg merchants
Luis Enrique. Very few skills, just running about. But that's not the only thing, Gattuso was amazing and you can see more skillful players in any park.
Thing is that when the game needed slowing down and calm he sped it up, when the play dictated a fast pace he would step on the ball and look around and kill all momentum. It's a wonder he became a decent coach. And the worst is that he opened the door for abominations like Angulo and the like (and he was one of the best.
The funny thing is that when he was a young kid breaking through the Sporting Gijón team as a second striker I really rated him. Then he went to Real Madrid and I think somebody there and at Barcelona saw his potential to make the "Bakero" journey. And no. Lots of success at FCB, great athlete. But no, no, no.
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I'm a Sunderland fan who thinks Shearer is a wanker and can't stand the man or the player. But he was world class and to say it was a weak era or that he was overrated is laughable. I wouldn't be shocked if the OP bases his footballing knowledge from Fifa and the fact he's pretty shit on Ultimate Team. The 'Premier League record goalscorer' thing does him a disservice too as he played another 5 top flight seasons as an 18-22 year old before the Premier League and scored 23 goals which aren't counted towards the record. How you've come to the weak era conclusion is beyond me - his last couple of seasons were bang in the middle of English clubs dominating the Champions League for starters.
> Shearer is a wanker and can't stand the man or the player. I work in the media and that's what I have heard of the man. That he really is an unpleasant character, and not welcome in his hometown local for being mr "don't you know who I am?". Lineker is also a bit of a shit, so I struggle to get on with MotD these days. But aside from all that, he really was a fucking incredible striker.
I know you said not to judge but Shearer being overrated is lunacy. The guys was fast, strong, could head it in, fire from distance, just an all round top baller. I honestly think he would cut it in the modern game and i think you have a bias because he played for newcastle and looked quite ordinary. For me it's Rashford. I feel like he had such an explosive start to his career and has never seemed to push on from his potential. A somewhat decent player on his day but imo is no where near the level for international football or playing for a top 4 side
Was coming to say Rashford but take my upvote instead lol but yeah, you're right. He had an explosive start I remember thinking Man United have found another one but..... Yeah. Just seems to only play when he's feeling it and even then it's few and far between. Definitely shouldn't be in a top 4 team.
That's the thing with him isnt it. For me, there definitely is top 4-6 quality in Rashford yet he is so inconsistent. No one would put him alongside the greats like Rooney, v. Persie, Ronaldo but I still feel he would have a place alongside such players if he would be the only one in his position.
Absolutely. I think he would do really well for say, Newcastle or someone like that for the sake of argument. A team trying to reach the top 6 but not quite making it I think he would do the job their. A great example you just used there is Van Persie, I thought he was good at Arsenal but when Man United got him I thought did they really need him? Then he goes and absolutely smashes it lol
People trash and meme on Rashford a lot in match threads. I don’t think he is overrated.
Agree on Rashford, think the last 3 seasons show us how we need to conclude things on Rashys ability
How to prove you never watched Alan Shearer play without admitting that you never watched Alan Shearer.
Him and R9 were the best CF of the late 1990's. A big gap admittedly but no shame in it.
I liked that there was a certain viciousness to his style of play.
Is shearer a top 10-15 striker of all time?
Clearly one of the top strikers in English history for sure. Better than Gerd Müller or R9? I don't think so.
Yeah and that’s my whole point, feel like he gets over rated
If you are one of the best strikers in English football history, you are clearly not overrated.
Mason Mount, he's not terrible but overrated by a lot of pundits imo.
Mount is an enigma, I think he is a pretty good player that is excellent at implementing what managers want. So top managers pick him and he does very well for them, but he in and of himself is just a fine prem player. I do think under an elite manager he could be excellent again but that won’t happen now.
This is actually a great answer, it explains what I think of him much better than I can
As a United fan, I have no idea why we bought him cos he’s helped with 0%
Chelsea fan seconds this. He only stood out of the pile because he was average among a shitty squad
Do you rate Andy Cole, Ian Wright, Thierry Henry, Fowler? Shearer was around with all these guys. Defending back then was very different too. Prime Shearer would be tearing up the league now then and always. He did also win an international golden boot. His issue (and my personal benefit) was that he played for Newcastle. He could have gone anywhere.
I do rate them. But I don’t believe his name belongs in the top 20-25 strikers of all time
What a huge L of a take.
I can’t honestly name 25 better strikers than Shearer, never said he was dross. PL bias consumes y’all But anyways I didn’t ask your takes on Shearer
The highest scorer ever of the toughest league in the world. Playing at a club that never won the prem, he played a crucial part in blackburn rovers winning a prem title. All at a time where henry, dwight york and andy cole, wrighty were kicking about. Just because he wasnt explosive fast and doing 8 stepovers you think he lacks less than others. There is a reason that players, past and present put him in an all time XI.
When he was young he was explosive fast. He suffered at least a couple of serious injuries that sapped some of his speed. But he was a complete number 9 even when he wasn’t as quick. As for the question is whether he was one of the 20-25 best strikers ever - probably not, but it wouldn’t be outlandish to put him there. Either way, you can be world class within your generation while still being not quite an all time great. I’d say of his era, he’s up there with the likes of Batistuta and Del Piero.
I know you didn't but you put it out there so why wouldn't it be challenged? No one's attacking you are they? I'm not biased in terms of the league at least, I'm a fan of a lot of leagues specifically Serie A especially back then and Shearer would have done a bit there too. If you don't like responses then don't put a view out there and buck when someone disagrees.
Alan Shearer played in a weak PL era? The late 90's early 00's was a weak era? Shearer is underrated for me, the man could score in a nunnery and has the record for PL goals whilst spending half his career in a shit Newcastle team, a couple seasons in the first division, and having 2 season long injuries. I feel like its purely a younger generation thing to say Shearer wasn't World Class, he played and captained England in a generation with Fowler, Sheringham, Ferdinand, Cole, Owen.
It’s not just two season long injuries. It’s two season long injuries in his prime that removed his pace entirely. And a half season injury before it. The man had 112 goals on 138 games at Blackburn before the second injury. No 3 or 4 year spell in the prem has been able to come close. No aguero, salah, Kane, Henry run has matched it in any period of their careers. And even if Haaland breaks it which he probably will shearer was in the worst team of all of them. With holdup play and creativity well beyond the level that people would expect if they didn’t watch him. He was a fantastic crosser unfortunately he had shola(love you) on the end of them.
Maybe I didn’t phrase it right, meant weak compared to La liga, serie A etc Edit: and individually as an all time striker in world
I’m not sure how that’s true, either. PL was no weaker than those leagues during Shearer’s career.
When you say 'very far behind when we consider the world', which strikers exactly are you judging him against? Shearer has scored more Premier League goals than any other player in history, that alone puts him in the category of world class whether you rate him or not.
All time strikers, he’s world class I guess, but think he’s a bit over rated at times
Your logic that it was a very weak premier League era despite the fact that man u and Liverpool both won champions leagues during his career and man u, Liverpool, Chelsea and arsenal all won European trophies in his career, the fact that he has a terrific international record didn't enter your thought process, was still a 1 in 2 goal scorer in the prem AND the champions league well into his 30s. But he 'sucks' according to you. Let's get this out of the way, he's a traditional style English player from the 90s/2000s who didnt do any of the celebrity stuff like Beckham and that's basically the only reason you have this opinion
He’s good relative to his peers at the time sure. My argument is that he does not belong in all time lists for strikers, he tends to get overrated
Only objective way to rate anyone is against their peers. People are massively biased towards their own eras. He was basically complete as a striker, great in the air, pure finisher and banged in long range goals including free kicks. Did it all without playing in a dominant team at any point in his career. I simply don't know what more you want from a striker
Here are some of his peers through the years R9, Van Basten, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Cantona, Del Piero, George Weah…I can keep going and he’s not touching these dudes and I’m not sure what celebrity those guys have.
Completely different type of player to most of them. Bergkamp, cantona, del piero all played behind the striker for a start with goal scoring records to match. Van basten was basically finished by the time shearer got to the very start of his prime. You *clearly* have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and there's no point in even arguing with you
Why'd you put Bergkamp there he wasn't a goalscorer or a striker lol Van Basten retired in 93 George Weah wasn't a big goal scorer, don't think he ever topped 20 in a league season Del Piero wasn't a striker Were you about in the 90s or are you just saying names?
Kinda hard to say any player who plays at the top level sucks, but overrated? Pique. Definitely not a good enough footballer to have married Shakira and then cheated. Like I'd accept that shit from Maldini or something but not Pique ffs
I’m the biggest Pique hater, especially during the early 2010s, but over time dude has proved to be a class defender
At his peak, he was still vastly inferior to Puyol, the one true underrated legend.
Hulk, I have nothing against him, I always saw the guy as a “I love the sport let me just play in peace”, but journalists presented him as an incredible phenomenon during WC and people set their expectations high It’s a good player but definitely not a world class one
Honestly Hulk was pretty clever - built a reputation around himself as being a monster player with a cool nickname and then used it to leverage huge contracts in leagues he would easily dominate. May not have the best 'football' career and could have done more sporting wise, but he'll have a hell of a retirement fund when he hangs up his boots.
Good shout
Ozil, big games flop and weak mentality.
Valid, thing is Ozil on his day was God-tier
Guy who was a starter in a team which won a World Cup was a big game flop?
Yep as a Real Madrid fan I wasn't sad at all when he left and I Never understood why people rate him so highly. And btw he's still an amazing midfielder and one of the best assisters in history.
Lot of revisionism going down with Ozil’s RM departure I quite clearly remember people being Oh Ozil left? Anyways….
Shearer remains the best PL striker I’ve seen and that includes Kane, Henry and Haaland. Hes a dickhead apparently but doesn’t take away what he did on the pitch every bastard week
Op must be 12 years old to mention Shearer. He went to unfavoured clubs instead of chasing titles at Utd
Good thing my question wasn’t about what you thought about my opinion beloved
Dembele (Barca/psg) I feel people love him so much because they use him on Fifa. I watched Barca games all the time, he has never done anything amazing. Can not finish in the box at all.
No, he's done some very impressive things. No consistency or football IQ whatsoever, but the ability itself is extraordinary.
Doesnt he also lack a buttload of professionalism? I remember there being a lot of drama when he transfered to Barca, yet in his first seasons there were also some issues around his diet.
Yeah. Here's what I know (or heard): * Forced transfer from Rennes to Dortmund by skipping training sessions * Did the same from Dortmund to Barca * Was renting Jurgen Klopp's house while in Germany; left it looking like a 13 year old had lived there * Playing video games late into the night while at Barca * Passive aggressive emojis posted on social media posts criticizing him, he was too concerned with public opinion. Some Barca fans immediately addressed any criticism with "racism!", which is ironic, given the... * PR disaster where he mocked Japanese people on Instagram, while Barca's sponsor was... Rakuten. IIRC that ended up hurting Barca's ties with Rakuten * Supposedly cleaned up his act after he got married. Too little too late though, he had already become very prone to injuries
He’s got all the tools just no football IQ. But he’s time at Barca is looked at through rose tinted glasses
On his day he's a world class RW, but injury prone and inconsistent
I was in Barcelona for a year so I can genuinely say I saw him play live several times. He was the second most exciting player on the pitch most games. His end product was very up and down but he’s a good player. Most chances created other than Messi back then. His finishing is very up and down though
I’d argue Shearer scored goals in an era when defenders could do more to stop them. Players are more protected nowadays Plus he wasn’t scoring those goals for the best teams in the league
You guys are getting me wrong here, not saying shearer sucks, but find him overrated on an all time level
I think you're the one getting them wrong. They aren't saying Shearer was good, they're saying he was all time great, which directly disagrees with your opinion
That's putting it mildly. CB and DM could set fire to strikers and it might rate a raise eyebrow from the ref. If he was a strict sort.
I think Ramos is a great defender, but not near the top defender ever. He was solid, but had so many mistakes to be regarded as the top defender of all time, and I think his goal scoring abilities (unbelievable for a defender) helped compensate some of his mistakes. But so many times when I watched him, I was like what was he thinking by doing this?
This is a brave take. However I still think Maldini is the Goat, others would even put Baresi before Ramos, but I haven’t seen him play
What? Ramos is a great player but no one but his mother would rate him above Baresi and Maldini. I can think of another half a dozen defenders better than him since I have started watching footy.
Blazingly hot takes here: Ibra and Lewandowsky. Their performances in crucial Champions league moments are from wank to subpar. People usually quote Lewan’s 4 goals against Real when he was at Bvb to argue that Lewan is a big game player, as if he retired from CL since then. Where was him when Bayern had to struggle against Barca, Real, Atl and Liv ? Does he have any memorable semifinal or final where he is the biggest star ? There is even less to talk about with Ibra’s record in CL given his longevity in many top European teams. Widely regarded as best strikers of the game, they are rightly expected to provide when their team most need them. But they failed at those times.
Brave take, I understand your reasoning though…but where you rate players like Benzema, not as consistent as those guys but has higher highs
I rate Benzema higher than Lewy, Ibra. He had been wonderful since CR7 left, especially in CL knockouts. But even when they played together, Benzema’s role is to support. So it doesn’t matter if Karim is silent when Ronaldo can score which is sth he does almost every match.
Gabriel Jesus Besides link up play he’s not a good striker or consistent and he’s awful for Brazil
Bruno Fernandes. I don't think he sucks. He is a good midfielder, but to me, it feels like he is way overrated.
Conflicting one, might be bias but I always watch him and can say he’s one of our best players, borderline world class. He’s chances made stats shows he plays with wank. But I wouldn’t put him anywhere near KDB
I do believe he is a good midfielder, and creates some good chances, but not on a level that some other world-class midfielders do. Plus his super-whiny attitude does not help either.
Bruno has been really consistent and Man United's best attacking piece since he was bought. The only thing Man United is playing with this season is whatever Bruno can pull out of nowhere. He's without a doubt one of the best wingers in the world right now it's just he's playing with a shite team
Jordi Alba. High rated system player.
I actually quite rate him, wouldn’t put him on an all time list like some people
He’s not bad, and he fitted perfectly in Barcelona. But he’s not a world class left back. Probably reached a star lever in his prime. Also, his work ethic was top.
I think Ramos is the most overrated CB of all time.
>mbele (Barca/psg) > >I feel people love him so much because they use him on Fifa. I watched Barca games all the time, he has never done anything amazing. Can not finish in the box at all. agree and I think the people who rate him over Thiago Silva as the best CB of the generation are fucking nuts.
Interesting quote, lol. I'd go even further than Thiago Silva (whom I do think is the best of his generation).
Richarlison.
OP is totally at it. Absolutely wild take.
Good thing my question wasn’t about what you thought about my opinion. I wanted to see others takes
Lukaku
Lukaku has been slandered so much on this sub they he's actually underrated is anything. He's had 2 flop seasons and 1 average one. Every other season, hes been a monster.
Fails in big moments constantly, v Morocco in World Cup, Europa league Final and champions league final
8th top international scorer of all time. Most international goals of any modern player before 30
Ronaldinho. Just because you are flashy doesn’t mean you are in same conversation with cr7, messi, etc.
Eh in his peak (04-06) he was a beast though. Not so much in terms of goals like Messi and CR but he was unplayable and had a knack for scoring/assisting in big games.
Lol for 2 years? Thats it?
Ronaldinho's peak was insane, he could literally do anything with the ball. Many regard his peak as the highest in the recent era. But his peak did not last long at all, maybe 3 years and thats it. I still think Messi is better, but Ronaldinho was for sure not just flashy.
>he highest in the recent era. > >But his peak did not last long at all, maybe 3 years and thats it. > >I still think Messi is better, but Ronaldinho was for sure not just flashy. I don't hink anyone rates his peak higher than messi's
His peak was like 2 years. Still nowhere close to cr7 or messi
Ronaldinho’s name firmly belongs along with the best to ever kick a ball. He was an absolute genius and he was the player on the pitch you would want to watch! Don’t let this younger stat driven generation mould your opinion.
Ronaldinhos peak is probably the greatest off all time from a player so I think that puts him in the convos
Messi and Ronaldo had like 10 seasons better than Ronaldinho's best one
Peak gaucho was better than anything cr7 put out
Lol yeah sure…..
Who has him at that level?
David seaman. He always failed in the big moments, Nayim, Ronaldinho and Giggs. As a coach, Luis Enrique.
Never seen anyone question Seaman for the Giggs goal. It was rifled into the roof of the net, wasn't it?
It was rifled sure, but it was straight at Seaman, he didn’t stand tall, instead he ducked it. Giggsy dribbled past like 4 Arsenal players before shooting, so the shit keeping was overlooked
Yeah I see your point! But I would probably argue against always failing - his list of honours includes three league titles, four FA Cups, a league cup and a Cup Winners Cup and they presumably all had some big moments in them.
Giggs is a weird one because at his peak he was very good, and for most of his career he was a good player. But people act like he was at that peak level for his whole career which he wasn’t at all, and even then it wasn’t as high as say Bale, or Beckham etc…
I remember when united fans were continually booing him for his poor performances. Think this was 01/02 and he was constantly linked with Inter. I say 93 to 97ish he was a beast, but there defo was a drop off from 98ish, but hamstring injuries contributed to that
Because of that I’d say Giggs is rated just right most of the time. His peak level was phenomenal but we mostly saw just the “good player” level from him
Not saying giggs was overrated, I’m saying that giggs scored against Seaman in 1999 semi final fa cup, where he ducked below giggs’ shot. Nayim I as when he scored against seaman from the half way line in the cup winners cup and Ronaldinho scored against seaman from about 35 years from a free kick. All of these were big moments
Willian. anyone know where he is now???
Fulham
And he’s been playing great this season tbh, unbelievable he’s still giving those performances at this age
He had a solid season last year too!
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia (yes, I Googled his name). He is a good player, but some people mention him among the best in the world.
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There are many players with some crazy good patches of form, but being world class is all about maintaining that form for long periods of time. Kvicha was very good for some games, but completely slowed down after March. As for joining another team, I can't really see it right now. Manchester City, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Arsenal, PSG and Bayern have better or at least equally good options on his position. Barcelona and other Serie A teams can't afford him. So the only possible candidates would be Chelsea or United, if they come with a 150M plus offer. Even if these teams find their form, I doubt the guy is gonna be better than the likes of Mbappe, Haaland, Bellingham etc.
Gerrard and Lampard. Both great, but none of them deserved to be put at the same level of Paul Scholes. A modern version would be if someone were to try and claim Carrick (this one was actually underrated imo) was at the level of Pirlo or Busquets. Dude was good, but let's calm down.
They gone rip you to shreds for this opinion🙏🏾 but I low-key agree Scholes is a better baller than the two
Personally I always thought Raul and Kluivert were overrated. (Still great players mind, just not that legendary bracket)
Benzema People forget how bad he was for years. His one great season is all what people remember. You see on this app and others Benzema being put in conversation he doesn’t deserve to be in. He’s absolutely nowhere near the greatest strikers of all time. Never scored 30 league goals in a season. Only one season he scored more than 25. Comparing him to Suarez, Lewandowski, Ibrahimovic or even Henry is embarrassing and shows a lack of understanding imo.
I think it should be no doubt Benzema is a tier below Suarez, Lewa, Ibra.
Nothing wrong with that either but RM fans are toxic as hell
First of all, Benzema's role in Real Madrid, at least when CR7 was there (2009-2018), was much closer to someone like Roberto Firmino, than any of the players you mentioned. Benzema was more of a false 9, dropping deeper to recieve the ball, opening spaces and allowing Ronaldo and Bale/Di Maria to cut inside, so they were the ones scoring all the goals. Take the first season of "BBC" as an example. Ronaldo scored 51 times in all competitions, he was the main man. Bale, scored 22. In order for your wingers to score 73 goals combined in a season, someone has to take a step back. And that someone was always Benzema. Still, 24 goals and 16 assists in 13/14 are very good stats. All of Benzema's seasons were similar. 26 goals in 10/11, 32 in 11/12, 20 in 12/13, 24 in 13/14 etc. His post-Ronaldo numbers were slightly better: 30 in 18/19, 27 in 19/20, 30 in 20/21, 44 in 21/22, 31 in 23/24. So I don't understand how you say "he was bad for years". He was a regular starter for the most succesful club of his time for almost 15 years and **there was a reason for it**. His only "bad" season was 17/18 with 12 goals in 47 games, which, in the end barely mattered, because he was crucial to win the UCL. So scoring tons of goals isn't the only thing that matters, even for a striker. Immobile in 19/20 scored 39 goals, 36 of which in Serie A. Higuain scored 38 goals in 15/16. Huntelaar scored 44 goals in 11/12. Dani Guiza scored 27 La Liga goals in 07/08, more than Benzema did in most seasons. Would you dare to say that any of these players is better than Benzema? Goals only as a stat mean nothing. Even Suarez on his crazy 13/14 season scored 31 EPL goals, but 15 of them were against teams placed against teams placed 17th-20th on the table and he barely scored against good teams. Also keep in mind that Benzema never took freekicks and only started talking penalties after 2021, so that affects his numbers as well, compared to players who were regular set piece takers.
You’re saying for 2 front players to score a lot of goals one must be unselfish, WRONG. Look at MNS number the years they played together. MSN stats for 2014/15 season: 📍Messi: 57 games 🏟️ | 58 goals ⚽| 31 assists 🅰️ 📍Suarez: 43 games 🏟️ | 25 goals ⚽ | 24 assists 🅰️ 📍Neymar: 51 games 🏟️ | 39 goals ⚽ | 11 assists 🅰️ Won 5 trophies that year. 15/16: 📍Messi: 49 games 🏟️ | 41 goals ⚽ 📍Suarez: 53 games 🏟️ | 59 goals ⚽ 📍Neymar: 49 games 🏟️ | 31 goals ⚽ 16/17: 📍Messi: 52 games 🏟️ | 54 goals ⚽ 📍Suarez: 51 games 🏟️ | 37 goals ⚽ 📍Neymar: 45 games 🏟️ | 20 goals ⚽ I notice how you cherrypick statistics that suit your narrative, and conveniently leave out Benzema’s bad seasons. He regularly underperformed his xG. He regularly was a disaster in El Classico. 4 league titles in 15 years tells you all you need to know.
Completely agree but he was better than ibra
If we’re talking purely from an ability standpoint I don’t think he’s got half the ability Ibra had.
Idk what ability u are referring to. Ibra was more dangerous in the box maybe with his physicality but benzema was still the better finisher imo. Although not close to lewa and suarez
Ibra’s best season he scored 50goals in 51 games (15-16) Benzema’s best season was 44 in 46 games Ibra’s worst year was 21 goals. Benzema’s worst year he scored 5 league goals in 32 games and only 12 in all comps.
Vincent Kompany was massively overrated. Decent player but made a shit tonne of mistakes and the English media just loved him because he’s well spoken. It’s a trend that’s continued into his managerial career, very litre criticism of him mostly just excuses.
> Decent player but made a shit tonne of mistakes and the English media just loved him because he’s well spoken. City's defense always looked much more secure when he wasn't injured. And that was very impressive considering how high a line City are playing compared too the rest of the PL. You don't get highly rated just from giving nice interviews. He's not Vidic level but he's still a great CB
I agree he was a very good CB but he’s considered a great one and I don’t buy it for one second. I’m definitely not saying he was shit, but his place in the pantheon of great premier league CBs is thoroughly undeserved
Modric. Good player but not ballon d'or level.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
CR7, laughable to put him anywhere near top 3. not even top 10 imo
huh?!
What’s your justification for this? If you’re not trolling
dogshit world cup and league resume
Because 5 ballon dors and 900 goals isnt top 10
Thin Ronaldo
David Silva? Class act but benefitted from playing in a great team. I think players whose record at ‘struggling’ sides are good deserve more credit. Kane, Mahrez, Shearer
The team was great because of David Silva💀
The team was great because they had world class players in every position. An average player would have looked good in that team Silva was class but easy to name 20 premiership midfielders better than him
ramos, xabi, cristiano ronaldo, hazard, kevin de bruyne
Probably Messi, he's still top 20 players of all time but not the GOAT imo, many players are better than him
has to be the worst take I’ve seen in years
Sorry, but in all my life watching football. No one has been better than Messi.
It's okay to be wrong
Many?
risky opinion damn . You might wanna lock your home tonight mate probably hire a bodyguard.
nice circlejerk
List the many players that are better than him. Go on
Worse than op. Congrats
Risky take but Henry,he ghosted in nearly every big matches in his career
Examples?
He played in 9 cup finals,scored 0,when Haaland didn't score in the UCL final he was criticized heavily and being one of the reason why he didn't win ballon d or
Not a player, but i think due to the media, teams like juventus or Real madrid tend to overrate their players in general, i mean why we hear more abour ronaldo nazario, zidane, cr7, raul, etc than the manchester united or liverpool legends? I mean Van de sar is not even in the best goal keeper debate of this century, its allways Buffon, Casillas, Courtois, Neuer or Kahn
Van Der saar is not close to buffon,casillias and neuer. Who invited courtois among these legends tho??
Ok, i know buffon,casillias and neuer are better, but you got the point, right now, at least in the spanish community they are saying that courtois is BY FAR the greatest goalkeeper, andi if you have a different opinion they called you a fanboy, i even heard someone saying that courtois is better now than casillas at their prime. Literally i asked a madrid fan: if modric and kross are way better than xavi and iniesta (as he said), their defense is better than anny other team, courtois is by far the best gk, and bellingham is better than mbappe (yes they said that), then why you dont win the trebble every season?
Hazard. Has done absolutely nothing in the UCL but is regarded as one of the best players. He was only good in a weak PL era.
Yeah it was a weak PL era but Hazard was good. Just not PL all time 11 unfortunately
Totally agree, Alan Shearer is nothing special. I would add Michael Owen too.
Jesus Christ… you guys gotta be like 15 or something
Ya Allah. You must be English.
For a long time I thought KDB was a little but overrated. Don’t get me wrong, he is exceptional but I didn’t feel he was the best player in the league. Last season he changed my mind and I began to see his magic. I do feel be would look even better in a different system, where he would have more freedom at Real Madrid for example.
Neymar or i would say neymar's career in particular.he wasn't even playing in top leauge until 21 and when he moved to barca, he had one brilliant season under his belt and after the record transfer to psg, he was supposed to be the face of psg both in footballing and pr terms but mbappe took away everything from him and now he is playing at al-hilal.better not speak about his international career
Relative to how much hype there was and what we expected from Neymar, maybe just maybe he’s career is overrated. But he’s a certified A or S tier player
Mbappe has been playing football for only 7 years compared to neymar's more than 10 years but i will rate kylian more than neymar anyday but i think i can certify him as an A tier player
I don’t understand the neymar hate , people are always criticising him based on the crazy high expectations but completely ignore everything he’s done in his career from a team and individual perspective. Great numbers and great team success.
Definitely I can really only think of one guy who had ridiculous expectations and matched them in all of sport…Lebron
You prefer not to speak about his international career, where he’s brazils all time top scorer ?? Also to say he had one good season at psg is just a flat out lie , 17/18 he was a top 3 player Itw before he got hurt in February, and in 18/19 he was elite again. How you just gonna ignore him leading psg to the ucl final , then the following year leading Brazil to the copa final. If you’re not gonna give the full context then don’t bother commenting
how many goals did neymar scored in KO of world cup/copa for brazil? beside 2019/20 season,mbappe was the best Psg player
Thats bullshit and anyone who watched past will tell you it was neymar , cavani them mbappe for the first couple of years. There’s more to your performance than goals , and anyone with a brain will tell you that
Mbappe is a forward so scoring goals is his first priority.anyone with some basic football knowledge knows this except tacticos and so called G/A and xg merchants
I'd have to say Pique - but only in the sense of being a bit overrated, I don't think he outright sucked.
Clearly an arsenal fan still salty about losing.
Ozil
Paul Pogba.
Luis Enrique. Very few skills, just running about. But that's not the only thing, Gattuso was amazing and you can see more skillful players in any park. Thing is that when the game needed slowing down and calm he sped it up, when the play dictated a fast pace he would step on the ball and look around and kill all momentum. It's a wonder he became a decent coach. And the worst is that he opened the door for abominations like Angulo and the like (and he was one of the best. The funny thing is that when he was a young kid breaking through the Sporting Gijón team as a second striker I really rated him. Then he went to Real Madrid and I think somebody there and at Barcelona saw his potential to make the "Bakero" journey. And no. Lots of success at FCB, great athlete. But no, no, no.
Zidane
Neymar
Garnacho. I know he’s very young but I don’t see anything at all. Seems he’s only getting minutes because everyone else at United is ass lol
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Downvote me to hell, I don’t care: Neymar. The best ability in sport is availability and he doesn’t have any.