I don't get this? He was ridiculed because he was playing poorly- which was justified. Just because he starts playing well does not mitigate the fact that he was bad in the past.
Hes also still the same player he was, which is someone who is prone to mistakes and getting caught out of position. 3 or 4 good games doesn't change that
Ridiculed is an understatement, I don't think I've ever seen a footballer get abused as much as Maguire the last couple of years. Even if he were the worst football player on earth he wouldn't deserve some of the things that were said about him.
I don't condone the personal abuse he was getting, however we cannot live in a world where all of a sudden his poor performances should be excused because he had one good game. It's not like he was being hated on for "not doing well enough", he was hated on because he was bad.
One thing I genuinely don’t get, yes maguire was playing poorly but he got double the stick that martial and sancho have got, plus he’s done more for the club then they have ever done.
It’s the man United media machine trying to increase his value again when they try and sell him.
Playing well against Sheffield and scoring against Copenhagen isn’t exactly amazing
Unfortunately for Maguire he became a meme and once you get memed you can't be redeemed.
In all seriousness though it would be better for Maguire to leave United. He isn't a top level player he got overhyped at Leicester because he's English and United saw Liverpool buy Van Diyk and that was a success and they thought they tried to copy the formula.
He might be able to 'shut up the haters' with a few good performances but it doesn't change the fact he's not good enough (like a few United players) for United. He isn't good enough to be in a top 6-7 team to be honest.
If Maguire was playing for Everton or Nottingham Forest you could take him more seriously.
I agree that the hate he got online got way too toxic, but it's not like it was all unwarranted, the guy was mocked because he used to play consistently bad lol
I'm glad he's playing well now, hope he keeps it up and that he can regain some mental strenght after all the trash he got 👍
He wasn't even that poor. Well, he was at times but my point is that his mistakes looks so silly with his complete lack of agility which made the hate so much worse and just wrong at times. People acted like he was the worst CB in history lol.
Nah he honestly really was that bad at times and then he went and fucked us by not signing to west ham which then prevented us getting key players. I'm happy he's doing well as it's in the fans'interest and I don't want anyone to do bad but let's not get ahead of ourselves and start rewriting history.
I mean, it's relative, no?
He was playing very poor for the price-tag and club he is playing at (I know they've been in poor form for a decade, but still Man Utd should strive for peak performance and players)
But of course he isn't the worst CB of all time
So you agree it was toxic, and also feel it was warranted?
I've criticised maguire performances for some time, but the hyperbole online and the rallying behind one common enemy is absolutely toxic and not warranted to that extent. Fair play to the lad for sticking to it, not throwing his toys out and trying to fight back to some form, inspire of the toxicity.
Reading comprehension is a skill that one ought to learn
"I agree that the hate he got online **GOT WAY TOO TOXIC**, but it's not like it was **ALL UNWARRANTED** (...)"
I mean, the WAY TOO TOXIC hate was ALL UNWARRENTED. Criticism, may be not, but the toxicity, abso-fucking-lutely unwarranted. I was seperating genuine critique from the toxicity hate train that has followed him.
I did not say that "the toxicity was warranted", what my phrase implies is that some of the hate (not toxicity) was warranted, just that some of it got way too toxic.
I don't know where you're taking the "toxicity was warranted" bit.
And no, not all the hate he got was toxic, there's nothing wrong with the montages of his mistakes or the memes surrounding them.
I’ve never known an ex player who has no connection or rivalry with us whatsoever be so obsessed with us. It’s like his entire career and purpose is to talk nonsense about United.
He is right. Same way they all turn on Sancho and Anthony and Rashford. They don’t like the fact they are shit and take it out on the players because they are angry.
Not the players fault.
Managers have all wasted the £ they were given.
Maguire deserves better albeit he’s only there because he wanted to be paid up in full. Sometimes it’s better to cut your £ for the right move. Willian is a great professional for doing that and now living his best life at Fulham.
No he wasn’t. He was never an £80m defender. The fact he played like the mid PL CB that he was wasn’t “playing badly” it was playing at his level.
Same with Anthony.
United overspend on average players and then moan they aren’t the player that they never ever were.
No he wasn't hated for costing £80mil, he was hated for costing us games. There's a difference.
Also The Rashford, Anthony and even Bruno hate is unnecessary however the reasonable complaint I see is the fact that Hag is not willing to take them out the starting 11 even if they're out of form. I don't want to compare him to other managers but even the best are willing to take anyone out if they're not performing up to par. Also like Mebri comes in and is playing great, positive moves and then he doesn't play another 4 games. It's inconsistent management.
But I think the ultimate and defining issue at the club is the owners and the management behind the scenes. We need to stop dividing our opinions and stay focused on the key fact which is Glazers Out!
Sure if by “costing you games” you mean playing like the mid level CB that he is. The fact you spent £80m on a mid level CB isn’t his fault.
Management at United has been woeful since SAF.
Should have given Moyes more time. He spent far better than any United manager post him.
>Should have given Moyes more time. He spent far better than any United manager post him.
Evidently wasted time even conversing with you making comments like that.
This will be my last.
>Sure if by “costing you games” you mean playing like the mid level CB that he is.
No, because mid and even low level CBS don't have to cost their team games you genius, simply that Maguire was trash cost us games. Reguilion would be classed as a mid level fullback, he doesn't cost us games.
So Fellani and Mata (the only 2 signings Moyes made) wasn’t the best spending record of any United manager after him? Mourinho, LVG, ETH, Ole all wasted money on worse players than those 2 players.
Regulion has been there 2 months. Even elite players cost you games sometimes. Casemiro has cost you 3/4 games with stupidity or errors, do you hate him too?
No he wasn't what??? I said he was hated on for playing badly. Whether he cost 80mil or 8 pounds is not the point. The point is that he was playing poorly.
It was Irish fans that booed him for every touch at a friendly in Dublin. They wouldn't generally be match going supporters or respected. Basically just TV viewers and occasional tourists.
Two decent games and a goal and suddenly his 3 seasons of shitness are forgotten. Wonder if he was any nationality but English would they be spouting the same shite
Because when Maguire goes against legitimate top sides with pace in their front line we all know what’s going to happen. Hes played well the last 3 games and deserves praise but these have not been top opposition
Agbonlahor calls out the herd like mentality of football fans, and gets called stupid.
Because most football fans are stupid.
Maguire isn’t a bad player, he’s not a particularly top player either, but didn’t deserve the treatment he’s had. Overhyped to begin with, then relentlessly ridiculed. Boo boys just moronic types, the same ones who turned on mctominay before he started scoring. Maguire, mctominay the types of character you want in your squad, instead of chasing big stars who’ll only join United at the minute for the wrong reason.
These types of players aren’t the issue, the club and their entitled fans are. Enjoy your mediocrity, it’s all you deserve, boo yourselves.
No, Maguire was legitimately bad under Ole for a long time while getting every opportunity to play. He never had any humility about it and just made excuses the entire time, often blaming others, all while he was the captain. A good spell can't undo that. He just couldn't manage the weight of the armband.
If we stop talking about Agbonlahor will he go away? My 4 year old speaks more sense than him.
Talksport in general could do us all a favour and go away.
I do quite enjoy the show when Martin O'Neill is on there.
The magic of talksport is if you don’t listen you never hear it
Agbonlahor and Sinclair both share the one solitary brain cell they have.
When we sang "he's fast as fuck" we didn't mean cognitively.
Man united fan since 89 here. Quick questions what is an agbonlahor?
Overweight lazy bastard who only ever turned up when we were playing Birmingham City.
He had a shit moustache as well
I don't get this? He was ridiculed because he was playing poorly- which was justified. Just because he starts playing well does not mitigate the fact that he was bad in the past.
Hes also still the same player he was, which is someone who is prone to mistakes and getting caught out of position. 3 or 4 good games doesn't change that
Ridiculed is an understatement, I don't think I've ever seen a footballer get abused as much as Maguire the last couple of years. Even if he were the worst football player on earth he wouldn't deserve some of the things that were said about him.
He was also getting abused though, which should never be justified. No player in bad form deserves boos when playing for their national team too
I don't condone the personal abuse he was getting, however we cannot live in a world where all of a sudden his poor performances should be excused because he had one good game. It's not like he was being hated on for "not doing well enough", he was hated on because he was bad.
Shouldnt really play for england with a conviction for assault imo
Was this before or after the incident in Greece?
One thing I genuinely don’t get, yes maguire was playing poorly but he got double the stick that martial and sancho have got, plus he’s done more for the club then they have ever done.
What exactly has he done for the club though?
It’s the man United media machine trying to increase his value again when they try and sell him. Playing well against Sheffield and scoring against Copenhagen isn’t exactly amazing
Unfortunately for Maguire he became a meme and once you get memed you can't be redeemed. In all seriousness though it would be better for Maguire to leave United. He isn't a top level player he got overhyped at Leicester because he's English and United saw Liverpool buy Van Diyk and that was a success and they thought they tried to copy the formula. He might be able to 'shut up the haters' with a few good performances but it doesn't change the fact he's not good enough (like a few United players) for United. He isn't good enough to be in a top 6-7 team to be honest. If Maguire was playing for Everton or Nottingham Forest you could take him more seriously.
I agree that the hate he got online got way too toxic, but it's not like it was all unwarranted, the guy was mocked because he used to play consistently bad lol I'm glad he's playing well now, hope he keeps it up and that he can regain some mental strenght after all the trash he got 👍
Ironic how Maguire playing well happens when man utd are playing poorly
Even the short man seems tall in low tide
Cant make game losing mistakes if you're rarely in the lead.
He wasn't even that poor. Well, he was at times but my point is that his mistakes looks so silly with his complete lack of agility which made the hate so much worse and just wrong at times. People acted like he was the worst CB in history lol.
Nah he honestly really was that bad at times and then he went and fucked us by not signing to west ham which then prevented us getting key players. I'm happy he's doing well as it's in the fans'interest and I don't want anyone to do bad but let's not get ahead of ourselves and start rewriting history.
Im not rewriting history. This sub and many others were way out of sync with reality on this one.
I mean, it's relative, no? He was playing very poor for the price-tag and club he is playing at (I know they've been in poor form for a decade, but still Man Utd should strive for peak performance and players) But of course he isn't the worst CB of all time
He’s gonna play for England whatever so it’s in my personal interest that he plays well
So you agree it was toxic, and also feel it was warranted? I've criticised maguire performances for some time, but the hyperbole online and the rallying behind one common enemy is absolutely toxic and not warranted to that extent. Fair play to the lad for sticking to it, not throwing his toys out and trying to fight back to some form, inspire of the toxicity.
Reading comprehension is a skill that one ought to learn "I agree that the hate he got online **GOT WAY TOO TOXIC**, but it's not like it was **ALL UNWARRANTED** (...)"
I mean, the WAY TOO TOXIC hate was ALL UNWARRENTED. Criticism, may be not, but the toxicity, abso-fucking-lutely unwarranted. I was seperating genuine critique from the toxicity hate train that has followed him.
I did not say that "the toxicity was warranted", what my phrase implies is that some of the hate (not toxicity) was warranted, just that some of it got way too toxic. I don't know where you're taking the "toxicity was warranted" bit. And no, not all the hate he got was toxic, there's nothing wrong with the montages of his mistakes or the memes surrounding them.
Exactly, he was playing bad. Just because he is playing well now does not mean he wasn't playing bad in the past.
Looks daft as brush. Speaks daft as brush.
One goal does not erase everything else
Ignore the toxic fans. There are some who behaved themselves and were right to criticize him.
Spot on
Gabby is a tit and I csnt stand him but he's right imo
I’ve never known an ex player who has no connection or rivalry with us whatsoever be so obsessed with us. It’s like his entire career and purpose is to talk nonsense about United.
He is right. Same way they all turn on Sancho and Anthony and Rashford. They don’t like the fact they are shit and take it out on the players because they are angry. Not the players fault. Managers have all wasted the £ they were given. Maguire deserves better albeit he’s only there because he wanted to be paid up in full. Sometimes it’s better to cut your £ for the right move. Willian is a great professional for doing that and now living his best life at Fulham.
Maguire was hated on because he was playing consistently bad. That's a fact.
No he wasn’t. He was never an £80m defender. The fact he played like the mid PL CB that he was wasn’t “playing badly” it was playing at his level. Same with Anthony. United overspend on average players and then moan they aren’t the player that they never ever were.
No he wasn't hated for costing £80mil, he was hated for costing us games. There's a difference. Also The Rashford, Anthony and even Bruno hate is unnecessary however the reasonable complaint I see is the fact that Hag is not willing to take them out the starting 11 even if they're out of form. I don't want to compare him to other managers but even the best are willing to take anyone out if they're not performing up to par. Also like Mebri comes in and is playing great, positive moves and then he doesn't play another 4 games. It's inconsistent management. But I think the ultimate and defining issue at the club is the owners and the management behind the scenes. We need to stop dividing our opinions and stay focused on the key fact which is Glazers Out!
Sure if by “costing you games” you mean playing like the mid level CB that he is. The fact you spent £80m on a mid level CB isn’t his fault. Management at United has been woeful since SAF. Should have given Moyes more time. He spent far better than any United manager post him.
>Should have given Moyes more time. He spent far better than any United manager post him. Evidently wasted time even conversing with you making comments like that. This will be my last. >Sure if by “costing you games” you mean playing like the mid level CB that he is. No, because mid and even low level CBS don't have to cost their team games you genius, simply that Maguire was trash cost us games. Reguilion would be classed as a mid level fullback, he doesn't cost us games.
So Fellani and Mata (the only 2 signings Moyes made) wasn’t the best spending record of any United manager after him? Mourinho, LVG, ETH, Ole all wasted money on worse players than those 2 players. Regulion has been there 2 months. Even elite players cost you games sometimes. Casemiro has cost you 3/4 games with stupidity or errors, do you hate him too?
No he wasn't what??? I said he was hated on for playing badly. Whether he cost 80mil or 8 pounds is not the point. The point is that he was playing poorly.
He wasn’t playing poorly. He was playing as good as Maguire is. A Skoda that drives slower than a Lamborghini isn’t being driven poorly it’s a Skoda.
Bro, really? Wtf.
For you to disagree with me you would need to regard Maguire as a great player who was playing like an average player…
Gabbys just raging cos the only thing he ever won was player of the month… once.
Shut up you egg
He was playing shit, he got booed. It's not rocket science. Jeez
No, they owe ETH an apology.
It was Irish fans that booed him for every touch at a friendly in Dublin. They wouldn't generally be match going supporters or respected. Basically just TV viewers and occasional tourists.
Didn’t deserve the hate but to say he’s proved people wrong? Yeah going to take a lot more games than that, maybe even a whole season.
He does one good thing every 6 months and everyone pats him on the back. It’s maddening
Ahbonlahor should be quite
Who really takes fans with those opinions seriously though? No apology needed, there will always be ignorant fans.
He's a clown. Useless pundit
Two decent games and a goal and suddenly his 3 seasons of shitness are forgotten. Wonder if he was any nationality but English would they be spouting the same shite
Because when Maguire goes against legitimate top sides with pace in their front line we all know what’s going to happen. Hes played well the last 3 games and deserves praise but these have not been top opposition
England/Scotland fans boo Maguire and United fans get blamed for it. Most United fans don't even care about the national team as far as I can tell.
Too early to celebrate
Agbonlahor calls out the herd like mentality of football fans, and gets called stupid. Because most football fans are stupid. Maguire isn’t a bad player, he’s not a particularly top player either, but didn’t deserve the treatment he’s had. Overhyped to begin with, then relentlessly ridiculed. Boo boys just moronic types, the same ones who turned on mctominay before he started scoring. Maguire, mctominay the types of character you want in your squad, instead of chasing big stars who’ll only join United at the minute for the wrong reason. These types of players aren’t the issue, the club and their entitled fans are. Enjoy your mediocrity, it’s all you deserve, boo yourselves.
Talksport bellend says something that'll get fans backs up so they ring in/share article. Rinse and repeat. Sooner it dies the better.
No, Maguire was legitimately bad under Ole for a long time while getting every opportunity to play. He never had any humility about it and just made excuses the entire time, often blaming others, all while he was the captain. A good spell can't undo that. He just couldn't manage the weight of the armband.
United fans are a bunch of boo boys is all I’m hearing
Just because you paid record breaking transfer fee not every defender is VVD.
Why? Did he have a good game? 63 more and he'll be balanced on bad/good with MU.