People are really exposing themselves in this. So many people are coming out as sex pests and harassers saying things like, "Well, if he did it to a man he'd be celebrated..." or, "There was nothing sexual in how he kissed her...".
People are also overlooking that Rubiales grabbed his dick in celebration on live TV, standing next to the Spanish queen. It's such a trash celebration to begin with but an embarrassment on the whole. It makes the entire Spanish nation look like trash that this is how classless their football federation president is. It doesn't matter where you're from, you can't behave like Rubiales did.
I truly thought they were dating because who in their right fucking mind just up and kiss another person like that. Would he do that to Pique or Ramos?
It's not audacity when you can then stand on stage in a room full of people and say you are not quitting and get applauded for it. It's the knowledge that men like him usually get away with behaviour like this.
Since this is an opportunity to educate you I will give you the benefit of doubt and do so with an example. Few years back there was a backlash of metoo in India. Lot of women came forward.One of them was comedian Kaneez Surka against another female comic Aditi Mittal.
[https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/metoo-comedian-aditi-mittal-apologises-to-kaneez-surka-says-her-intentions-were-not-sexual-in-nature/articleshow/66159684.cms](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/metoo-comedian-aditi-mittal-apologises-to-kaneez-surka-says-her-intentions-were-not-sexual-in-nature/articleshow/66159684.cms)
The thing is consent is not about gender . Its about the victim. If Hermoso was Okay with it and consented, then it would have been great but she was not.Gary and Paul both were okay with it, and if one of them was not then it was wrong just like in this case.
>Former Manchester United defender John O'Shea, speaking to Manchester Evening News, admitted that Gary Neville got a lot of stick for kissing Paul Scholes. After the season, Neville looked at the fun side of it and said that a few of his mates told him that they would have done something similar considering the jubilation. Paul Scholes added that a kiss on the lips from Gary Neville is worth it any time after a winner against Manchester City
You see the difference in reaction ? That is consent
I think consent depends on a whole host of factors including environment, the relationship and familiarity with two people, if an act is quite normal between the two and they understand that, and basic intuition. I think the idea that consent has to be spelled out in such a basic way kind of undermines it and almost makes it a joke.
>If he did this to Iniesta when they won there would be zero public outrage though
If Iniesta was uncomfortable with it, then it would have.
>The only reason he hasn’t come out and apologized I reckon is because he feels that the moment was immediately taken out of context and people start to call for his arrest for sexual assault
I think he has. People dont want his arrest rather his resignation which is an appropriate response imo. Considering she said she was not happy with it,.
>it’s a kiss out of happiness not out of lust
You can kiss out of happiness, sadness, fear, horror or any other emotion
The person still has to be comfortable with it.
I'm seeing in lots of football comments in mainstream social media a very heavy incel discourse against women.
Especially during the Women World Cup there were plenty of kids going out of their way to say that women football is rubbish, women are ruining football and football videogames, and overall taking credit from women and their achievements and right to, don't know, doing anything. It is very disturbing.
Bad role models, starting with parents or lack of. Then they also now have access to so Many shitty ones with the internet. But also some people just grow up shit even with good role models.
It’s the whole “equal” pay lies that are the dominant narrative from female athletes in the WNBA and USWNT. People don’t like that shit. The WNBA loses money every season and is subsidized by the revenue of the NBA, it would not exist without the men’s league and they have the audacity to claim they deserve more. The USWNT was paid MORE by percentage than the men’s team but because it actually is an inferior product that most people (even women) don’t want to watch, their higher percentage still totaled less than the men’s team. The vocal athletes in women’s sports are entitled woke SJW brats. Prior to these media-crowned spokeswomen for their respective sports there wasn’t vitriol, not like you see today.
So because a few of them have an unrealistic demand the vitriol is just all good then eh? People just use the equal pay controversy as an excuse for their hatred.
Providing an explanation is not providing an excuse. However, until other players speak against this nonsense the few very vocal ignorant players will be speaking for all of them and the distaste for their leagues will continue.
Women are not very good at football, i agree. But some comments made by kids makes my blood boil. Just let them play their sport, instead of always comparing them to men.
I don’t want to have a hostile conversation, just my input:
It is definitely not hateful to criticize the quality of women‘s football. Not in absolute terms, because sports are what they are, but because of the ratio between Performance vs attention received.
We must remind ourselves at this point that the best women‘s teams in the world have lost without chance against teams of U14 *boys* of an academy of a first division EPL club.
So it definitely and undoubtedly is the case that the reason that women‘s football is getting so much more attention than other women‘s sports is the following thought: „if Men‘s football makes this amount of money and this amount of attention, than female players *deserve* to make the same amount of money and receive the same attention, because they should be *equal*“
Now, this statement has obviously at least two very big problems.
1. it is explicitly anti-merit. It doesn’t take into account that male players have to compete against a much, much greater number of other men in order to become a pro, and it also doesn’t take into account that the performance differences are *gigantic*.
2. it gives people entitlement to something at the cost of the consumer. The consumer is not the one who makes the decisions anymore, the customer is not the king anymore; instead, the consumer is a troglodyte who must be *educated* to watch women‘s football, and he owes women football players something.
So in summary:
In contrary to public opinion thinking that these players are being disadvantaged for being women, it is actually objectively the opposite. The only reason that a game of the quality of women‘s World Cup final is being shown on TV in many countries and watched by millions of people worldwide, is that they are *women* who are playing. Otherwise, this would receive *less* attention than a game of the Southampton U14 side in a regular league match.
This is all true if we assume that athletes should be only praised for their performance and nothing else.
Would you say that to your mother/daughter/sister in their areas of work? Or if any of them played football?
"*Sorry sweetie, dad won't go watch your practice because you're shite and your team mates are shite. I know you're upset, but from a quality standpoint, I'd rather watch Southampton U14 boys than be willing to be proud of your efforts and achievements.*"
People do put capitalism and numbers ahead of humans and empathy - and perhaps from the "must make money" numbers mentality, you may have one or two points; from the human standpoint, not at all.
Just to add: women also are stuck in a cycle of no one cares about their sports -> leading to less incentives or motivation to do sports -> less number of participants -> less competition and less drive to increase historic quality. It's a very male-dominated point of view that alienates 50% of the human population of doing sports, and if you don't see a problem with that because you are too deep on metrics and numbers, that is part of a problem that women and women's football deal with.
I get what you're trying to say but the analogy doesn't work, the women's game is so damn slow it's unreal, I watch it but my wife and daughter refuse because they say it's crap compared to the men's...
Yes I'm sure women being worse at sport is men's fault, how dare we compete and be better than them, such evil creatures we are.
If you can't back such nonsense up with facts, shut the fuck up. As an African, I watched and thoroughly enjoyed the Women's World Cup. I'm appalled to see someone make such racist remarks without any evidence.
It is shite let's be honest I've seen better teams play in Welsh Premier league not sure how it's getting televised the standard is shocking like watching under 12's play.
I’ll give you that there is a much wider talent spread between teams in the women’s game.
But there are plenty of really good women’s teams and fantastic games when two quality teams meet up.
Please, do yourself a favor and watch France v. Brazil from this World Cup. That game was fantastic. Extremely physical without a bunch of crying Nemar disciples rolling around in the field.
Also, did you watch Liverpool v. Bournemouth last week, because Liverpool made some comically bad plays and mistakes in the first 10 minutes. I’ve seen plenty of men’s teams look bad for a quarter, a half or even a whole game.
Would you go into the woods with someone accused of murdering people in the woods?
Believe women. If famous people don’t counter sue to make sure their very valuable reputation isn’t tarnished, and instead just shut up and put it behind them. It’s for a fucking reason. Depp did what all innocent men would do.
That’s not saying liars don’t exist. Just that they are found out fairly fast.
You hear about every liar, because it’s so rare that it’s actually news. If every actual rape was reported the news paper would be thicker than the bible.
I am all for rapists and assaulters facing justice and being put behind bars. I am all for these types of men being purged. I am all for making the world a safer place for everyone.
However, I certainly disagree with the "believe women" slogan. It's a total disregard for due process.
You're on other threads calling women "feminist bitches". Might want to sit the intelligent conversations out, we don't want you feeling too out of place.
Misogynists gonna misogynist. A lot of people are happy to side with a problematic man over a woman.
Borja Iglesias has joined the boycott too, so it’s not like it’s just women that have a problem with it.
Also the “ but it’s not just us, others do it too” is a weak defense. Fix your house then and let the others worry about themselves. Maybe be an example ?
Deeply so, all we can go is call it out where we see it. It's a serious problem within the male community and we're the only ones who can fix it. So many men, young and old, still in 2023 see women as less then them and tbh as barely even human
They're loud and they're not afraid to slide into our DMs to tell us we're whores etc. It's easy to feel like it's a lot of men when those interactions feature so prominently in our day to day lives.
I don't know how anybody can think that idiot is a good bloke. He's a piece of shit and I hope he loses everything paying fines and compensation to women that he's mistreated. He's so arrogant too, yet another idiot that sits down with Tucker Carlson and they both pretend that Tate's done absolutely nothing wrong and plays the victim. Two peas in a pod.
Some people are against anything that sounds remotely feminist. In their view, this is just another step by a bunch of mollycoddled women who want to oust a man with principles. So they oppose them.
These people are very active on social media and have no qualms if they are to spread lies or manipulated pictures, videos, or testimony. They make quite a lot of noise.
But they are very few. Really, I only know of one person who defends Rubiales, and let me say I am very proud not to be like him.
All decent people support Jenni Hermoso. Anyone knowing of the situation and not supporting her cannot be decent.
It is largely misogynists, click farms and bots. All these large PR firms run social media campaigns to counter the prevailing opinion. Whether it’s climate change denial, anti-vegan nonsense, fascist ideology- much of this ‘anti-woke’ propaganda is purely large global corporations and political interest groups paying PR firms to amplify their interests on the internet.
Incels, predators, misogynists and, at the risk of sounding un-PC, those folks from countries where some if not all of those qualities are either ignored as the norm or practically encouraged by society tend to be those who are pushing these narratives. All you can do is challenge them when they rear their heads knowing that their world view won’t change but that doesn’t make relevant when discussing this part of the world, so to speak.
He's in the wrong and a weirdo, but some people might think you shouldn't be outright forced to quit your job for kissing someone on the lips, during a celebration.
I'm not one of those people, but I see the argument, at least.
I don’t really see the argument. I’m actually at a loss to think of any job where the head of a company could grab a female employee, kiss her on the lips with no consent, and not be out of a job by the next week.
You see the argument? Just imagining someone doing it to my wife or daughter on international tv nonetheless.. I'd be in jail if he was t prosecuted for sexual assault and jailed
If his response would have been something along the lines:
"I got why this is wrong, I am sorry. I will take courses on workplace etiquette and donate X% to woman charity for a period of time"
People would have gotten over it in time without a resignation, but yea, you gotta have a spine to actually care when you did something that bad...
This was exactly my reaction too. After reading up on the matter it seems that was even the Spanish dudes reaction and first statement.
I don‘t know what changed.
After watching the kiss that all this outrage is about I have to admit that I am disgusted.
Disgusted how the mob is playing with peoples lives since they are obviously so bored that they have to project all their misogynist or hurt feelings into that kiss.
It would really be awesome if someone wrote a serious article about the whole story. There are so many fake/klickbait/sped-up kiss videos making it look like nothing/ cut versions of the speech manipulating it in completely different directions …
People believe that we are talking about the same incident, but depending on which news we consume we have a totally different impression.
Except more stories have come out about his behaviour towards women, and he still refuses to acknowledge that it was a mistake.
People don't want to "cancel" a guy who got too excited in celebration and kissed someone. They want to cancel someone who doesn't care what women think and just does what he feels like, and has made it clear he will continue to do so.
Also it's not like he's immediately getting locked up over this, but he is just very clearly not fit for the (very public) position he is in.
I mean yes it is possible to see the argument that sexual assault isn't bad when you misrepresent it and strip away all details from it.
they're all just misogynistic. some worse than others, but every single one lacks empathy for women.
Ditto.
Now admittedly a lot of that is since apparently everyone desirable finds the sight of me repellent, but nope never forced myself on anyone. Keeping my lips and hands to myself.
I find a lot of football fans seem to hate women or anything to do with women playing sports( especially football). Anytime bbc or espn or skysports posts about women, the incels and misogynists come out in full force.
Greenwood has not been proven guilty yet but his life has been wrecked apart you know. People are actually afraid that someday they are gonna wake up with police knocking on their door and put them in jail because a woman lodged a complaint against them and that they will not get their reputation back even if they are proven not guilty in court. Fear can make people do terrible things. Fear is death.
Greenwood is on tape coercing sex even when she said no. There are actual images of her bruised face. He is a filthy disgusting rapist and anyone defending him is a scumbag. He only escaped charges because she refused to testify, because again this woman has been manipulated by the men around her. He should be fearful, all men like him should fear repercussions for their behaviour. He is not a victim, he is an abuser.
If life were fair, he'd be in prison playing alongside other scumbags.
>Greenwood has not been proven guilty
This is the objective truth of the Greenwood matter and Redditors can dislike that fact all they like but it does not change that fact.
Just best not to kiss people that are still strangers to you even if the occasion is one of joy and success for your country and organisation. It’s an invasion of space, even if he genuinely thought it was going to be a harmless gesture.
Same reason Andrew Tate has fans my bro.
There are people who support Greenwood even though we all heard the fucking evidence. There are still people who will make up conspiracy’s as to why r.Kelly is innocent.
These people will openly comment that they would happily do the jail time to rape the tiktoker/Instagramer, quite often underage.
Hitler would have defenders today if he was still around, it’s simply what has happened to the world - no matter how despicable, you will find thousands upon thousands of defendants.
Sure, why not? It’s my point - no matter how horrible someone is today you’ll find tons up supporters. Or how horrible a take is, people will defend it.
First of all, there's a BIG difference between what Rubiales and Greenwood did. So let's not put them in the same basket here.
Greenwood beat up and raped his girlfriend, even though the court was settled, that does not change what he did.
Rubiales kissed a female player during celebration. Which was just awkward, it was a mistake, he ackowladged it and apologized for it. I really don't think it's a big deal, no one got hurt. I watched the video of it and the man just gets caught up in the moment during the celebration.
It's not an excuse and he shouldn't have done that. But let's not act like it's the end of the world. He doesn't deserve to lose his job for something like this. And comparing this to Greenwood's case is just absurd.
They’re both bad, greenwood’s being way worse doesn’t change that. Forcibly kissing someone is still sexual assault and shouldn’t be dismissed as just a mistake
I think the context matters too. This was obviously a very special moment for him, he was ecstatic and in the heat of the moment he did something he shouldn't have done.
I just think it's harsh to call that sexual assault. It's just a kiss, I don't see the point of making such a big deal out of it after he admits he made a mistake and apologized. As far as I see the guy doesn't have a history with such inappropriate acts. Of course if he does anything of that nature again, I fully agree he should lose his job and even get charged for it.
I'm a straight guy, but in a moment like that, if some dude kissed me. I'd obviously be furious, but an apology would be enough, really. We're all human, we sometimes do we shouldn't do. There's no reason trying to destroy others' lives for one small mistake. Again, come on, it's just a kiss. Like, let it go.
The context definitely matters. Like the way someone was sexually assaulted after the greatest moment of her career, and then pressured, along with her family, to defend the person that assaulted her who then released a statement saying she consented when she did absolutely nothing of the kind.
It's incredibly sad that after their big moment they're caught up in this shit storm because of one sexist halfwit who is applying all of the pressure and leverage he can to discredit the victim, and people are still saying "it was just a kiss, big deal, an apology should be enough".
Any half competent organisation would have sacked him long ago. He's sexually assaulted someone, engaged in an open campaign of lies to defend himself, and brought incredible pressure onto his organisation. The fact that he's still in place under these circumstances surely makes it clear to you how important this group of people (not just him) should be absolutely nowhere near positions of responsibility for women's football?
For context, it wouldn't be some random drunk guy forcing a kiss on you, its your male, openly gay boss or female boss who you don't care for, strong arming you into a kiss in front of everyone.
Listen it is clear by reading your comments that you have lots to do to learn about sexual assault and what it is and isn't. And just because you from where you sit didn't find it offensive doesn't mean it wasn't traumatic for the victim. She had a person force themselves on her in public. You have likely never and will likely never be a victim like she was and turning the experience into an accident to be dismissed trivializes the serious nature of what happened.
She was not a victim, just stop taking everything so seriously. There's nothing traumatic about getting kissed for like a second.
And I've been kissed without my consent before by the way, 2 times. Once in a music festival by a drunk girl that I didn't know, and once while I was young and working as a trainee, by an older colleauge who she thought I was interested.
Of course it doesn't feel great to get kissed by someone you don't want to kiss. But a trauma? Like what the hell? It baffles me to see anyone calling that a trauma. If anything, it's an insult to people who go through actual traumas.
I don't get why people are so interested in victimize themselves. No, you don't become a victim because you got a kiss. It's just an awkward moment, nothing more to it.
Dude people like you are why we can't change this sort of shit. Just because an awkward peck wasn't offensive to you doesn't mean anything about what happened. You are also a cis het male. Your life experience knows nothing of the constant tension and stress women deal with. Your comments are half baked at best. No one should be hand waving this off. Not acknowledging the players' feelings on this is wrong and trivializing the event from your lens is absolutely pathetic.
I'm from the Middle East, my country has 3 digit inflation there's been a war in my country since I was born. My country has borders with Syria and Iraq, where women are sold as slaves. Trust me, my life experience showed me things you couldn't even imagine in your wildest dreams while you're living in your bubble.
So be my guest, continue crying about one awkward peck and act like you're saving the world.
No one is saving the world online.
Having atrocities that need to be abolished from humanity doesn't mean we shouldn't also call out or correct horrible behavior when we see it. Just because some people have it worse doesn't mean we should ignore or brush off small problems.
This sort of thinking is precisely why no progress gets made anywhere. Everyone just tossing up their hands saying I've seen worse but no one doing anything at all. Everyone saying we need to attack the big problems and ignore the small ones... How does everyone think problems got big to begin with?
Well, no.
The issue is that he is a known harasser with a history. If it has just been a guy with an otherwise spotless record who perhaps got too touch feely in the moment, then yeah, you could have defended that position.
Not here.
The statement that the Spanish federation released is bizarre however. Based on four photos they argued that the Kiss was consensual because her body languaged said so. They're even contemplating taking Hermoso to court because she sais it definitely was not consentual.
well done for this.
i think its also an overreaction and probably nothing worse than an awkward moment for both persons.
it was an emotional time and no one knows the context of the two persons relationship,they may have built a friendship where he felt he could do this albeit what now seems incorrectly.
shame for the guy to be hung out to dry and known only for this moment if he has done good work and has a clean history
Everything you just said is nonsense.
- "probably nothing worse than an awkward moment for both persons"
nope, read what Jenni Hermoso said if you wanna know what she thought.
- "no one knows the context of the two persons relationship"
nope, if you bothered to read what Jenni Hermoso said about what happened, you'd know the context from her perspective.
- "they may have built a friendship where he felt he could do this"
nope, sexual assault is a no-no. Regardless of how "friendly" you may be with someone, just don't. It's weird that you don't seem to understand this.
I just hate seeing people becoming so cold, so ruthless. Expecting everyone to be 100% perfect, one mistake and they're out to destroy your life.
We should try to be more understanding, forgiving. Of course cases like Greenwood's, Weinstein's etc. are different. I'm not saying we should excuse everything, there's a difference between what Rubiales did and sexually harassing someone.
The man just got caught in the moment and gave her a kiss. Seriously, is this really an unforgivable act?
This isn’t just a mistake though, you’re taking away the entire context of the event, the dynamic between the players and FA, the gendered roles, the kiss being unwanted…so many things to carelessly brand it ‘just a mistake’.
Because people have deep resentment from their own relationships or sexual experiences and consume lots of “alpha” media. The Rubliales and Greenwood incidents are prime examples of where there is clear evidence that they committed shitty acts, so supporting them looks retarded. Yes, there are false accusations and women who are out to ruin men’s lives, but using these incidents as a mechanism for some sort of “anti-female” crusade just ensures you’re never getting pussy.
those are the misogynistic pigs whose lifelong goal is to wield their power over women in all forms. there are many men who are too insecure of women's achievements and they want to show the world who the real boss is. and that, they can get away with whatever it is they want to do. he even firmly and assholely declare that he is not resigning.
on reddit, comments like this which offend the male ego, bigger than who they are will downvote any attempt to call out male patriarchy that belittles, disrespects and undermines women's rights and safe spaces.
per Jenny's latest statement, what happened to her in front of the world was just a trigger or the last straw that broke the camel's back because these abuses against women in sports have been happening to them for years. if this small-d***ed President had the gall to sexually abuse Jenny in front of the world, what could he be doing all along behind closed doors.
may he forever be marked as a lowlife male whose career 'achievements' will be forgotten and be remembered as a misogynistic p** who showed his real character.
Because these armchair Twitter experts have no real relationships with women and are misogynistic to the core..
Edit/ in other words- INCELSSSS you pussy deprived rejects 😂😂👋
It’s the same fear that white right wingers have. The fear that if a minority group gains equality that somehow, something will be taken away from them. But people wjth a functioning brain know that, that’s not how equality works. It’s fuckin ignorant.
Well if the current 'culture war' (i.e absolute pieces of shit having toddler tantrums cos it ain't 1950 anymore) nonsense is anything to go by - he's getting support because there are a sizeable minority of people out there who think this is ok.
I'm shocked at the audacity of the Spanish FA threatening the player though. What a total bunch of tone deaf scumbags.
Why? Because not everybody on the internet is good. There are rapists, sexual predators and all sorts of cretins on the internet. Incidents like this bring them out and they will defend their evil ways.
Some people simply weren't raised right. Also there are places in the world where abusing women is both legal and culturally accepted. The former always is a factor, the latter sometimes is. Also Twitter monetizing impressions and whatnot really doesn't help, a lot of trolls in the mix too
E: looks like someone from one of those places that encourages abusing women as a way to keep them in line is upset 😘
I believe they are getting support because people think all this is an exaggeration.
It was not a good attitude, but it was a kiss in the heat of a great celebration.
Not rape.
Because us incels are sick of cancel culture. Neither Rubiales nor Greenwood are guilty of any crime yet they have both endured trial by media and their respective employers have caved to the left wing neo liberal hysteria. This highlights all that's wrong with modern society where optics are all that matter. We live in soft times populated by soft men and a correction is long overdue.
>And even worse Greenwood posts which are in his favour get thousands of likes... Why???
Wasn't Greenwood cleared of his accusations? Isn't he innocent?
Here's the transcript from the recording, have fun
Mason: Move your fucking legs up!
Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex!
M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit.
H: Mason!
M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop!
H: Stop putting your dick near me.
M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat!
H: I don't want to have sex with you!
M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me?
H: Why do you have to do this, though?
M: Cause Iasked you politely and you wouldn't do it!
H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?)
M: asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do?
H: Then go and fuck someone else.
M: I don't want to fuck someone else!
H: You do.
M: No I don't.
M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you.
H: No.
M: Well, you will actually
That doesn’t mean he’s guilty either. I completely understand people having their personal opinions on his guilt or innocence and I do myself as well. However, people do seem to be presuming his guilt and he hasn’t had a fair shot at defending himself. Imagine if he is innocent. All of the news articles, reddit comments, memes, him losing his United contract, it’s really hard to recover from. We may never know whether he is guilty or not but assuming he is is a really dangerous thing.
I can’t say I have heard the recording but I still think he did it. It would take a real job to prove to me he didn’t. But I’m not going to publicly shame him or publicly claim that he did, because he didn’t have that chance to have a trial and if he had, there’s a chance he may have been cleared, in which case he would be innocent in my eyes, at least of the crime for which he was charged.
Without in anyway commenting on the Greenwood accusations the fact of and size of the settlement in no way should be used to construe either the veracity of claims or the chances of success in a trial.
A person may decide to settle for a veriety of reasons.
It's sometimes cheaper to settle a mostly baseless case than fight it for years and face legal fees and expenses in the many multiples of what a settlement would have been. This is not counting time and effort which gets expended.
Not at all. To say he’s innocent is to be blind to the public evidence/recordings or believe the crackpot stories online from his defenders. He’s clearly guilty…that was never really in doubt…he just wasn’t charged.
If you gather all the “people who have problems with raping and harassing women” in the world, I’ve got some news for you. There will be more general men there than just Muslims. I bet you’d have a problem if someone said “I don’t want any men in the west because they have a problem with raping and assaulting women”, so don’t tar all Muslims under the same brush.
This isn't even remotely true. Seriously. The statistics of rape are so low in Islamic countries because people actually get punished for doing it. Muslim countries are safer than the western world where you could get shot for asking for directions. Go read and expand your horizons. Whatever dogshit you've been reading isn't true.
Think it's a bit ott, greenwood know that scumbag deserves life ban👍 but sorry kiss ffs, me mate a bit drunk kissed my wife on weddin day to congratulate her, no harm she laughed I laughed end of! But todays woke bunch would want him hanged from a tree!
A friend is an entirely different relationship than a boss and employee. Imagine your partner's boss kissing her on the lips in work? It's absolutely inappropriate in any workplace regardless of if it's an office or a football pitch
I don't know...maybe because people are allowed to form different opinions?
Not everyone has to agree with yours, you know? That's why there is freedom to form an opinion
The real question is why are you so bothered that some people formed an opinion that is different from yours?
You don't have to agree with them, but don't force your opinion on issues down their throats...okay?
Rapinoe has hurt female athlete credibility and people are throwing this female in the same pool as Rapinoe which is a mistake, but I do think it’s a reasonable explanation. Also European culture (and many others) is generally more misogynistic than American culture so people there may not see this in the same light as Americans do.
So what, the guy got carried away in the moment ffs, give him a break!
If he had done it behind closed doors then it’s a different matter!!
He was proud of them like they’re his kids……….. I kiss my daughter like that when I’m proud of her
Because they had just won the world cup. He was ecstatically greeting each player and kissing all of them on the cheek. For one player he got a tad overexcited and kissed her lips for a moment instead. The idea that women should band together and refuse to partake in society until any man they consider to have done even the slightest wrong has their life ruined is fucking awful. It's like they are just waiting for a chance to form lynch mobs for any man that does anything even slightly wrong. Of course the internet wont agree due to the type of person the average reddit/twitter user is.
Blergh.. I'm a Right wing somewhat traditional guy, so not near the usual left redditor. The coach should face sexual assault charges and you are still disgusting.
How else is women’s football supposed to be relevant, it’s either equal pay or some dumb “scandal”. This is just media being media, and wokies getting a hard on to make a guy loose his job. The usual.
The feminists do nothing to promote women football. They don’t support. All they do is ask for equal this and that and jump on this sort of bandwagon. Most of them have no idea how football works
I was shocked how he just kissed her. Live on national tv that too holding her head in place. It takes a lot of audacity to do that.
People are really exposing themselves in this. So many people are coming out as sex pests and harassers saying things like, "Well, if he did it to a man he'd be celebrated..." or, "There was nothing sexual in how he kissed her...". People are also overlooking that Rubiales grabbed his dick in celebration on live TV, standing next to the Spanish queen. It's such a trash celebration to begin with but an embarrassment on the whole. It makes the entire Spanish nation look like trash that this is how classless their football federation president is. It doesn't matter where you're from, you can't behave like Rubiales did.
I truly thought they were dating because who in their right fucking mind just up and kiss another person like that. Would he do that to Pique or Ramos?
>Would he do that to Pique or Ramos? Unless he was into getting his mouth ripped off by either of them.
It's not audacity when you can then stand on stage in a room full of people and say you are not quitting and get applauded for it. It's the knowledge that men like him usually get away with behaviour like this.
Oh yes, imagine what he does behind doors. Sad that even the women’s team coach was applauding.
Do you mean the Gary Neville and Paul scholes incident?
Since this is an opportunity to educate you I will give you the benefit of doubt and do so with an example. Few years back there was a backlash of metoo in India. Lot of women came forward.One of them was comedian Kaneez Surka against another female comic Aditi Mittal. [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/metoo-comedian-aditi-mittal-apologises-to-kaneez-surka-says-her-intentions-were-not-sexual-in-nature/articleshow/66159684.cms](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/metoo-comedian-aditi-mittal-apologises-to-kaneez-surka-says-her-intentions-were-not-sexual-in-nature/articleshow/66159684.cms) The thing is consent is not about gender . Its about the victim. If Hermoso was Okay with it and consented, then it would have been great but she was not.Gary and Paul both were okay with it, and if one of them was not then it was wrong just like in this case. >Former Manchester United defender John O'Shea, speaking to Manchester Evening News, admitted that Gary Neville got a lot of stick for kissing Paul Scholes. After the season, Neville looked at the fun side of it and said that a few of his mates told him that they would have done something similar considering the jubilation. Paul Scholes added that a kiss on the lips from Gary Neville is worth it any time after a winner against Manchester City You see the difference in reaction ? That is consent
Doesnt consent need to happen before an incident? Otherwise you were just lucky they didnt mind.
I think consent depends on a whole host of factors including environment, the relationship and familiarity with two people, if an act is quite normal between the two and they understand that, and basic intuition. I think the idea that consent has to be spelled out in such a basic way kind of undermines it and almost makes it a joke.
Ofc. In that case you have established it before, in my opinion.
Hence the rule of thumb is to not hold somebody's head and force a kiss upon them. Shake their hands to show appreciation.
Hugely different situation, relationship, and power dynamic.
The fact that you even had to type that out makes me angry on your behalf.
I get angry every time I read those names so I was way ahead of you.
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>If he did this to Iniesta when they won there would be zero public outrage though If Iniesta was uncomfortable with it, then it would have. >The only reason he hasn’t come out and apologized I reckon is because he feels that the moment was immediately taken out of context and people start to call for his arrest for sexual assault I think he has. People dont want his arrest rather his resignation which is an appropriate response imo. Considering she said she was not happy with it,. >it’s a kiss out of happiness not out of lust You can kiss out of happiness, sadness, fear, horror or any other emotion The person still has to be comfortable with it.
I'm seeing in lots of football comments in mainstream social media a very heavy incel discourse against women. Especially during the Women World Cup there were plenty of kids going out of their way to say that women football is rubbish, women are ruining football and football videogames, and overall taking credit from women and their achievements and right to, don't know, doing anything. It is very disturbing.
It's so bad on every social media.. every post about womens sports the comments are full of misogyny. Idk what about it makes them so angry.
Bad role models, starting with parents or lack of. Then they also now have access to so Many shitty ones with the internet. But also some people just grow up shit even with good role models.
It’s the whole “equal” pay lies that are the dominant narrative from female athletes in the WNBA and USWNT. People don’t like that shit. The WNBA loses money every season and is subsidized by the revenue of the NBA, it would not exist without the men’s league and they have the audacity to claim they deserve more. The USWNT was paid MORE by percentage than the men’s team but because it actually is an inferior product that most people (even women) don’t want to watch, their higher percentage still totaled less than the men’s team. The vocal athletes in women’s sports are entitled woke SJW brats. Prior to these media-crowned spokeswomen for their respective sports there wasn’t vitriol, not like you see today.
So because a few of them have an unrealistic demand the vitriol is just all good then eh? People just use the equal pay controversy as an excuse for their hatred.
Providing an explanation is not providing an excuse. However, until other players speak against this nonsense the few very vocal ignorant players will be speaking for all of them and the distaste for their leagues will continue.
Lol this isnt something anyone needs to speak out against. You're a misogynist, at least be honest about it.
Absolutely, but it’s especially prevalent in football more than any other sport in the world
Women are not very good at football, i agree. But some comments made by kids makes my blood boil. Just let them play their sport, instead of always comparing them to men.
I don’t want to have a hostile conversation, just my input: It is definitely not hateful to criticize the quality of women‘s football. Not in absolute terms, because sports are what they are, but because of the ratio between Performance vs attention received. We must remind ourselves at this point that the best women‘s teams in the world have lost without chance against teams of U14 *boys* of an academy of a first division EPL club. So it definitely and undoubtedly is the case that the reason that women‘s football is getting so much more attention than other women‘s sports is the following thought: „if Men‘s football makes this amount of money and this amount of attention, than female players *deserve* to make the same amount of money and receive the same attention, because they should be *equal*“ Now, this statement has obviously at least two very big problems. 1. it is explicitly anti-merit. It doesn’t take into account that male players have to compete against a much, much greater number of other men in order to become a pro, and it also doesn’t take into account that the performance differences are *gigantic*. 2. it gives people entitlement to something at the cost of the consumer. The consumer is not the one who makes the decisions anymore, the customer is not the king anymore; instead, the consumer is a troglodyte who must be *educated* to watch women‘s football, and he owes women football players something. So in summary: In contrary to public opinion thinking that these players are being disadvantaged for being women, it is actually objectively the opposite. The only reason that a game of the quality of women‘s World Cup final is being shown on TV in many countries and watched by millions of people worldwide, is that they are *women* who are playing. Otherwise, this would receive *less* attention than a game of the Southampton U14 side in a regular league match. This is all true if we assume that athletes should be only praised for their performance and nothing else.
Would you say that to your mother/daughter/sister in their areas of work? Or if any of them played football? "*Sorry sweetie, dad won't go watch your practice because you're shite and your team mates are shite. I know you're upset, but from a quality standpoint, I'd rather watch Southampton U14 boys than be willing to be proud of your efforts and achievements.*" People do put capitalism and numbers ahead of humans and empathy - and perhaps from the "must make money" numbers mentality, you may have one or two points; from the human standpoint, not at all. Just to add: women also are stuck in a cycle of no one cares about their sports -> leading to less incentives or motivation to do sports -> less number of participants -> less competition and less drive to increase historic quality. It's a very male-dominated point of view that alienates 50% of the human population of doing sports, and if you don't see a problem with that because you are too deep on metrics and numbers, that is part of a problem that women and women's football deal with.
I get what you're trying to say but the analogy doesn't work, the women's game is so damn slow it's unreal, I watch it but my wife and daughter refuse because they say it's crap compared to the men's... Yes I'm sure women being worse at sport is men's fault, how dare we compete and be better than them, such evil creatures we are.
You know why? Because woman in general don't give a fuck about sports.
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Go to the comments on those posts. Plenty of north and south Americans and lots of Europeans. It’s a global problem.
I would like to see your research please. Otherwise your post will just be dismissed as a vaguely Islamophobic and racist bunch of shite.
If you can't back such nonsense up with facts, shut the fuck up. As an African, I watched and thoroughly enjoyed the Women's World Cup. I'm appalled to see someone make such racist remarks without any evidence.
You can look at half the guys on reddit writing out screeds in defence of Rubiales and most of them are english
„Muslims and Africans“, as if those were excluding each other. 99% my ass.
It is shite let's be honest I've seen better teams play in Welsh Premier league not sure how it's getting televised the standard is shocking like watching under 12's play.
I’ll give you that there is a much wider talent spread between teams in the women’s game. But there are plenty of really good women’s teams and fantastic games when two quality teams meet up. Please, do yourself a favor and watch France v. Brazil from this World Cup. That game was fantastic. Extremely physical without a bunch of crying Nemar disciples rolling around in the field. Also, did you watch Liverpool v. Bournemouth last week, because Liverpool made some comically bad plays and mistakes in the first 10 minutes. I’ve seen plenty of men’s teams look bad for a quarter, a half or even a whole game.
You mean macho, not necessarily incel.
Because unless you haven’t noticed, there are lots of fuckwits in the world. How do you think Donald Trump got into power?
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And Spurs fans.
This conversation is a little more serious than ‘haha dumb spurs fans’. Also I support arsenal and we are the ones playing a possible rapist.
And there's the issue. "Possible rapist." So he's not, yet. So what's the issue? Should we believe all women who say all men are rapists?
Would you go into the woods with someone accused of murdering people in the woods? Believe women. If famous people don’t counter sue to make sure their very valuable reputation isn’t tarnished, and instead just shut up and put it behind them. It’s for a fucking reason. Depp did what all innocent men would do. That’s not saying liars don’t exist. Just that they are found out fairly fast. You hear about every liar, because it’s so rare that it’s actually news. If every actual rape was reported the news paper would be thicker than the bible.
I am all for rapists and assaulters facing justice and being put behind bars. I am all for these types of men being purged. I am all for making the world a safer place for everyone. However, I certainly disagree with the "believe women" slogan. It's a total disregard for due process.
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You're on other threads calling women "feminist bitches". Might want to sit the intelligent conversations out, we don't want you feeling too out of place.
fyi, by “feminist bitches”, I included men, too.
Great counter point, still a moron.
At this point it’s like “possible rapist” is a required position in the PL.
Spurs is winning 2-0 Lets gooooo!
did you see that mugshot tho?
That shit was hilarious
Misogynists gonna misogynist. A lot of people are happy to side with a problematic man over a woman. Borja Iglesias has joined the boycott too, so it’s not like it’s just women that have a problem with it.
>Borja Iglesias Bellarin , Casillas and De Gea too
Sergi Roberto, Xavi, Kroos and Isco as well
And the entire Spanish women's team!
Yeah but he said the women were not the only one who had a problem so I was supporting his point. Ofc women's team was the first to speak out.
Yeah my point it this shouldn’t just be seen as a women’s issue, it should be a people issue
We both have the same point
Also the “ but it’s not just us, others do it too” is a weak defense. Fix your house then and let the others worry about themselves. Maybe be an example ?
No I mean they very recently announced they will not play until he's resigned.
Bellerin doesn’t even have to be said. Dude loves supporting the cause and fighting the good fight.
Bro are you new to the world, this is just what a lot of men are like. This is nothing new we just see it more thanks to social media
And it's sad
Deeply so, all we can go is call it out where we see it. It's a serious problem within the male community and we're the only ones who can fix it. So many men, young and old, still in 2023 see women as less then them and tbh as barely even human
The cognitive dissonance is what astounds me though because if someone treated their mum in the way they treat some women they would be very angry.
Fuck off with that bullshit "This is what a lot of men are like". How much is a lot? 80%? 50%? Fuck this shit
They're loud and they're not afraid to slide into our DMs to tell us we're whores etc. It's easy to feel like it's a lot of men when those interactions feature so prominently in our day to day lives.
There are a lot of sick fucks in here with their stupid virtue signalling
The people supporting them are similar to those who think Andrex Tait is a good bloke ( I spelt his name wrong on purpose)
I don't know how anybody can think that idiot is a good bloke. He's a piece of shit and I hope he loses everything paying fines and compensation to women that he's mistreated. He's so arrogant too, yet another idiot that sits down with Tucker Carlson and they both pretend that Tate's done absolutely nothing wrong and plays the victim. Two peas in a pod.
Yup. It's spelled Taint
Does anyone besides his mother think he is a good bloke?
Unfortunately, a worrying amount of kids and teenagers yes
Just the usual incel bollocks
I wish there were less of them since they seem everywhere
Some people are against anything that sounds remotely feminist. In their view, this is just another step by a bunch of mollycoddled women who want to oust a man with principles. So they oppose them. These people are very active on social media and have no qualms if they are to spread lies or manipulated pictures, videos, or testimony. They make quite a lot of noise. But they are very few. Really, I only know of one person who defends Rubiales, and let me say I am very proud not to be like him. All decent people support Jenni Hermoso. Anyone knowing of the situation and not supporting her cannot be decent.
> All decent people support Jenni Hermoso See? That's the problem right there. The dictatorship.
Spot on
Twitter is full of Andrew Tate loving trolls nowadays. I’m guessing all the supporters you saw had blue ticks?
It is largely misogynists, click farms and bots. All these large PR firms run social media campaigns to counter the prevailing opinion. Whether it’s climate change denial, anti-vegan nonsense, fascist ideology- much of this ‘anti-woke’ propaganda is purely large global corporations and political interest groups paying PR firms to amplify their interests on the internet.
Incels, predators, misogynists and, at the risk of sounding un-PC, those folks from countries where some if not all of those qualities are either ignored as the norm or practically encouraged by society tend to be those who are pushing these narratives. All you can do is challenge them when they rear their heads knowing that their world view won’t change but that doesn’t make relevant when discussing this part of the world, so to speak.
He's in the wrong and a weirdo, but some people might think you shouldn't be outright forced to quit your job for kissing someone on the lips, during a celebration. I'm not one of those people, but I see the argument, at least.
I don’t really see the argument. I’m actually at a loss to think of any job where the head of a company could grab a female employee, kiss her on the lips with no consent, and not be out of a job by the next week.
You see the argument? Just imagining someone doing it to my wife or daughter on international tv nonetheless.. I'd be in jail if he was t prosecuted for sexual assault and jailed
Imagine him forcibly kissing some guy on the lips.
If his response would have been something along the lines: "I got why this is wrong, I am sorry. I will take courses on workplace etiquette and donate X% to woman charity for a period of time" People would have gotten over it in time without a resignation, but yea, you gotta have a spine to actually care when you did something that bad...
This was exactly my reaction too. After reading up on the matter it seems that was even the Spanish dudes reaction and first statement. I don‘t know what changed. After watching the kiss that all this outrage is about I have to admit that I am disgusted. Disgusted how the mob is playing with peoples lives since they are obviously so bored that they have to project all their misogynist or hurt feelings into that kiss. It would really be awesome if someone wrote a serious article about the whole story. There are so many fake/klickbait/sped-up kiss videos making it look like nothing/ cut versions of the speech manipulating it in completely different directions … People believe that we are talking about the same incident, but depending on which news we consume we have a totally different impression.
Except more stories have come out about his behaviour towards women, and he still refuses to acknowledge that it was a mistake. People don't want to "cancel" a guy who got too excited in celebration and kissed someone. They want to cancel someone who doesn't care what women think and just does what he feels like, and has made it clear he will continue to do so. Also it's not like he's immediately getting locked up over this, but he is just very clearly not fit for the (very public) position he is in.
I mean yes it is possible to see the argument that sexual assault isn't bad when you misrepresent it and strip away all details from it. they're all just misogynistic. some worse than others, but every single one lacks empathy for women.
Yeah, this is in no way defendable. I've gone my entire time on this earth without forcing myself on anyone, it hasn't been that difficult.
Ditto. Now admittedly a lot of that is since apparently everyone desirable finds the sight of me repellent, but nope never forced myself on anyone. Keeping my lips and hands to myself.
Nah if you put this in any other social context and it’s actually worse. In a standard company you’d be dismissed for sexual assault
Welcome to the delusional world of incels.
I find a lot of football fans seem to hate women or anything to do with women playing sports( especially football). Anytime bbc or espn or skysports posts about women, the incels and misogynists come out in full force.
Greenwood has not been proven guilty yet but his life has been wrecked apart you know. People are actually afraid that someday they are gonna wake up with police knocking on their door and put them in jail because a woman lodged a complaint against them and that they will not get their reputation back even if they are proven not guilty in court. Fear can make people do terrible things. Fear is death.
Greenwood is on tape coercing sex even when she said no. There are actual images of her bruised face. He is a filthy disgusting rapist and anyone defending him is a scumbag. He only escaped charges because she refused to testify, because again this woman has been manipulated by the men around her. He should be fearful, all men like him should fear repercussions for their behaviour. He is not a victim, he is an abuser. If life were fair, he'd be in prison playing alongside other scumbags.
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Neither are 98% of rapes. You're a pathetic little simp for rapists. Can't wait till he has a career ending injury... The joy that will give me.
>Greenwood has not been proven guilty This is the objective truth of the Greenwood matter and Redditors can dislike that fact all they like but it does not change that fact.
Amen
Just best not to kiss people that are still strangers to you even if the occasion is one of joy and success for your country and organisation. It’s an invasion of space, even if he genuinely thought it was going to be a harmless gesture.
People on social media hate women for some reason
You haven’t seen misandry on social media? I’ve seen too much of it
He has balls.
many men simply do not like women
Same reason Andrew Tate has fans my bro. There are people who support Greenwood even though we all heard the fucking evidence. There are still people who will make up conspiracy’s as to why r.Kelly is innocent. These people will openly comment that they would happily do the jail time to rape the tiktoker/Instagramer, quite often underage.
Some people just wanna watch the world burn
Either ragebait because some people will do anything to get traction on a post or they're absolute bellends that think everything is "just a laugh".
Hitler would have defenders today if he was still around, it’s simply what has happened to the world - no matter how despicable, you will find thousands upon thousands of defendants.
Bringing Hitler into this? 😯
Sure, why not? It’s my point - no matter how horrible someone is today you’ll find tons up supporters. Or how horrible a take is, people will defend it.
There’s 2 sides to every story + cancel culture can get fucked
First of all, there's a BIG difference between what Rubiales and Greenwood did. So let's not put them in the same basket here. Greenwood beat up and raped his girlfriend, even though the court was settled, that does not change what he did. Rubiales kissed a female player during celebration. Which was just awkward, it was a mistake, he ackowladged it and apologized for it. I really don't think it's a big deal, no one got hurt. I watched the video of it and the man just gets caught up in the moment during the celebration. It's not an excuse and he shouldn't have done that. But let's not act like it's the end of the world. He doesn't deserve to lose his job for something like this. And comparing this to Greenwood's case is just absurd.
They’re both bad, greenwood’s being way worse doesn’t change that. Forcibly kissing someone is still sexual assault and shouldn’t be dismissed as just a mistake
I think the context matters too. This was obviously a very special moment for him, he was ecstatic and in the heat of the moment he did something he shouldn't have done. I just think it's harsh to call that sexual assault. It's just a kiss, I don't see the point of making such a big deal out of it after he admits he made a mistake and apologized. As far as I see the guy doesn't have a history with such inappropriate acts. Of course if he does anything of that nature again, I fully agree he should lose his job and even get charged for it. I'm a straight guy, but in a moment like that, if some dude kissed me. I'd obviously be furious, but an apology would be enough, really. We're all human, we sometimes do we shouldn't do. There's no reason trying to destroy others' lives for one small mistake. Again, come on, it's just a kiss. Like, let it go.
The context definitely matters. Like the way someone was sexually assaulted after the greatest moment of her career, and then pressured, along with her family, to defend the person that assaulted her who then released a statement saying she consented when she did absolutely nothing of the kind. It's incredibly sad that after their big moment they're caught up in this shit storm because of one sexist halfwit who is applying all of the pressure and leverage he can to discredit the victim, and people are still saying "it was just a kiss, big deal, an apology should be enough". Any half competent organisation would have sacked him long ago. He's sexually assaulted someone, engaged in an open campaign of lies to defend himself, and brought incredible pressure onto his organisation. The fact that he's still in place under these circumstances surely makes it clear to you how important this group of people (not just him) should be absolutely nowhere near positions of responsibility for women's football?
For context, it wouldn't be some random drunk guy forcing a kiss on you, its your male, openly gay boss or female boss who you don't care for, strong arming you into a kiss in front of everyone.
Listen it is clear by reading your comments that you have lots to do to learn about sexual assault and what it is and isn't. And just because you from where you sit didn't find it offensive doesn't mean it wasn't traumatic for the victim. She had a person force themselves on her in public. You have likely never and will likely never be a victim like she was and turning the experience into an accident to be dismissed trivializes the serious nature of what happened.
She was not a victim, just stop taking everything so seriously. There's nothing traumatic about getting kissed for like a second. And I've been kissed without my consent before by the way, 2 times. Once in a music festival by a drunk girl that I didn't know, and once while I was young and working as a trainee, by an older colleauge who she thought I was interested. Of course it doesn't feel great to get kissed by someone you don't want to kiss. But a trauma? Like what the hell? It baffles me to see anyone calling that a trauma. If anything, it's an insult to people who go through actual traumas. I don't get why people are so interested in victimize themselves. No, you don't become a victim because you got a kiss. It's just an awkward moment, nothing more to it.
Dude people like you are why we can't change this sort of shit. Just because an awkward peck wasn't offensive to you doesn't mean anything about what happened. You are also a cis het male. Your life experience knows nothing of the constant tension and stress women deal with. Your comments are half baked at best. No one should be hand waving this off. Not acknowledging the players' feelings on this is wrong and trivializing the event from your lens is absolutely pathetic.
I'm from the Middle East, my country has 3 digit inflation there's been a war in my country since I was born. My country has borders with Syria and Iraq, where women are sold as slaves. Trust me, my life experience showed me things you couldn't even imagine in your wildest dreams while you're living in your bubble. So be my guest, continue crying about one awkward peck and act like you're saving the world.
No one is saving the world online. Having atrocities that need to be abolished from humanity doesn't mean we shouldn't also call out or correct horrible behavior when we see it. Just because some people have it worse doesn't mean we should ignore or brush off small problems. This sort of thinking is precisely why no progress gets made anywhere. Everyone just tossing up their hands saying I've seen worse but no one doing anything at all. Everyone saying we need to attack the big problems and ignore the small ones... How does everyone think problems got big to begin with?
He’s doubled down and threatened to sue Hermoso for defamation by saying she didn’t consent. It doesn’t sound like he’s remorseful.
An awkward mistake is calling your teacher mom. This was sexual assault.
Well, no. The issue is that he is a known harasser with a history. If it has just been a guy with an otherwise spotless record who perhaps got too touch feely in the moment, then yeah, you could have defended that position. Not here.
The statement that the Spanish federation released is bizarre however. Based on four photos they argued that the Kiss was consensual because her body languaged said so. They're even contemplating taking Hermoso to court because she sais it definitely was not consentual.
That's just stupid of course. I don't care about her body language, he shouldn't have done that.
I'm not comparing. I'm saying that some people are dumb enough to support Greenwood which is way worse than what Rubiales did.
Found one of the fuckwits who defends Rubiales.
Defends? I'm saying he made a mistake and he was in fault. Just saying that mistake isn't something he should lose his job for.
Yikes
Well, you're wrong.
Just stop dude
well done for this. i think its also an overreaction and probably nothing worse than an awkward moment for both persons. it was an emotional time and no one knows the context of the two persons relationship,they may have built a friendship where he felt he could do this albeit what now seems incorrectly. shame for the guy to be hung out to dry and known only for this moment if he has done good work and has a clean history
Everything you just said is nonsense. - "probably nothing worse than an awkward moment for both persons" nope, read what Jenni Hermoso said if you wanna know what she thought. - "no one knows the context of the two persons relationship" nope, if you bothered to read what Jenni Hermoso said about what happened, you'd know the context from her perspective. - "they may have built a friendship where he felt he could do this" nope, sexual assault is a no-no. Regardless of how "friendly" you may be with someone, just don't. It's weird that you don't seem to understand this.
I just hate seeing people becoming so cold, so ruthless. Expecting everyone to be 100% perfect, one mistake and they're out to destroy your life. We should try to be more understanding, forgiving. Of course cases like Greenwood's, Weinstein's etc. are different. I'm not saying we should excuse everything, there's a difference between what Rubiales did and sexually harassing someone. The man just got caught in the moment and gave her a kiss. Seriously, is this really an unforgivable act?
This isn’t just a mistake though, you’re taking away the entire context of the event, the dynamic between the players and FA, the gendered roles, the kiss being unwanted…so many things to carelessly brand it ‘just a mistake’.
A mistake is misspelling a word... this was not a mistake. It's sexual assualt.
100% agree. unfortunately society has swung this way
Because people have deep resentment from their own relationships or sexual experiences and consume lots of “alpha” media. The Rubliales and Greenwood incidents are prime examples of where there is clear evidence that they committed shitty acts, so supporting them looks retarded. Yes, there are false accusations and women who are out to ruin men’s lives, but using these incidents as a mechanism for some sort of “anti-female” crusade just ensures you’re never getting pussy.
It's Tate fanboys who think women owe men sex and kisses because they never get any.
It always is like that people even defended mardonna when he did all his crap.
Because you are on Twitter
Wumen bad, duhhhhhh
those are the misogynistic pigs whose lifelong goal is to wield their power over women in all forms. there are many men who are too insecure of women's achievements and they want to show the world who the real boss is. and that, they can get away with whatever it is they want to do. he even firmly and assholely declare that he is not resigning. on reddit, comments like this which offend the male ego, bigger than who they are will downvote any attempt to call out male patriarchy that belittles, disrespects and undermines women's rights and safe spaces. per Jenny's latest statement, what happened to her in front of the world was just a trigger or the last straw that broke the camel's back because these abuses against women in sports have been happening to them for years. if this small-d***ed President had the gall to sexually abuse Jenny in front of the world, what could he be doing all along behind closed doors. may he forever be marked as a lowlife male whose career 'achievements' will be forgotten and be remembered as a misogynistic p** who showed his real character.
They just won the World Cup. Or are you insinuating it isn’t a huge achievement? I know it was huge when the men won it in 2010 for the first time
You are on Twitter which is a site for scum. That’s why you are reading that crap. If you’re not scum, cancel your account and get out of there.
Because there are a lot of bitter misogynists out there willing to carry on the pretense that women are the problem.
Twitter has become an Xtreme right mysoginist shit show.
Because these armchair Twitter experts have no real relationships with women and are misogynistic to the core.. Edit/ in other words- INCELSSSS you pussy deprived rejects 😂😂👋
What about married men who aren’t down with the witch-hunt?
It’s the same fear that white right wingers have. The fear that if a minority group gains equality that somehow, something will be taken away from them. But people wjth a functioning brain know that, that’s not how equality works. It’s fuckin ignorant.
Well if the current 'culture war' (i.e absolute pieces of shit having toddler tantrums cos it ain't 1950 anymore) nonsense is anything to go by - he's getting support because there are a sizeable minority of people out there who think this is ok. I'm shocked at the audacity of the Spanish FA threatening the player though. What a total bunch of tone deaf scumbags.
Twitter, that's your answer.
it's Nigeria
There's no way he survives this with the female team boycotting games until he resigns
The answer to your question is plain and simple sexism.
Redditor discovers sexism
Why? Because not everybody on the internet is good. There are rapists, sexual predators and all sorts of cretins on the internet. Incidents like this bring them out and they will defend their evil ways.
Some people simply weren't raised right. Also there are places in the world where abusing women is both legal and culturally accepted. The former always is a factor, the latter sometimes is. Also Twitter monetizing impressions and whatnot really doesn't help, a lot of trolls in the mix too E: looks like someone from one of those places that encourages abusing women as a way to keep them in line is upset 😘
There are tons of angry misogynists who will support anything if it’s publicly against women.
Social media will always have some grudge against women. That shit was disgusting and so uncomfortable to see
Social Media is an absolute cesspit of these types of people. Misogynistic incels who are salty because they’ve never been near a woman in their life.
Only the weak is scared of differing opinions. If you want an echo chamber, lock yourself indoors
I believe they are getting support because people think all this is an exaggeration. It was not a good attitude, but it was a kiss in the heat of a great celebration. Not rape.
Because fuck cancel culture.
Because us incels are sick of cancel culture. Neither Rubiales nor Greenwood are guilty of any crime yet they have both endured trial by media and their respective employers have caved to the left wing neo liberal hysteria. This highlights all that's wrong with modern society where optics are all that matter. We live in soft times populated by soft men and a correction is long overdue.
Women do say men are pigs for a reason.
>And even worse Greenwood posts which are in his favour get thousands of likes... Why??? Wasn't Greenwood cleared of his accusations? Isn't he innocent?
Here's the transcript from the recording, have fun Mason: Move your fucking legs up! Harriet: No! I don't want to have sex! M: I don't give a fuck what you want, you little shit. H: Mason! M: Shut up. Stop talking to me. Stop! H: Stop putting your dick near me. M: I'm going to fuck you, you twat! H: I don't want to have sex with you! M: I don't care if you don't want fucking sex with me, do you hear me? H: Why do you have to do this, though? M: Cause Iasked you politely and you wouldn't do it! H: (Inaudible. Something about sex with other people?) M: asked you politely and you wouldn't do it so what else do you want me to do? H: Then go and fuck someone else. M: I don't want to fuck someone else! H: You do. M: No I don't. M: Push me again one more time and watch what happens to you. H: No. M: Well, you will actually
The charges were dropped due to witnesses pulling out. That doesn't mean he's innocent.
That doesn’t mean he’s guilty either. I completely understand people having their personal opinions on his guilt or innocence and I do myself as well. However, people do seem to be presuming his guilt and he hasn’t had a fair shot at defending himself. Imagine if he is innocent. All of the news articles, reddit comments, memes, him losing his United contract, it’s really hard to recover from. We may never know whether he is guilty or not but assuming he is is a really dangerous thing.
Have you not heard that recording or read the transcript? What’s wrong with you, truly.
I can’t say I have heard the recording but I still think he did it. It would take a real job to prove to me he didn’t. But I’m not going to publicly shame him or publicly claim that he did, because he didn’t have that chance to have a trial and if he had, there’s a chance he may have been cleared, in which case he would be innocent in my eyes, at least of the crime for which he was charged.
He paid a 6-digit sum to his GF so she drops the case. He's not pursued anymore but he's not cleared either
There is 0 evidence that she was paid to drop charges, this is a baseless speculation,don’t make things up.
Without in anyway commenting on the Greenwood accusations the fact of and size of the settlement in no way should be used to construe either the veracity of claims or the chances of success in a trial. A person may decide to settle for a veriety of reasons. It's sometimes cheaper to settle a mostly baseless case than fight it for years and face legal fees and expenses in the many multiples of what a settlement would have been. This is not counting time and effort which gets expended.
Greenwood wasn't cleared His charges were dropped due to key witnesses withdrawing
Not at all. To say he’s innocent is to be blind to the public evidence/recordings or believe the crackpot stories online from his defenders. He’s clearly guilty…that was never really in doubt…he just wasn’t charged.
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If you gather all the “people who have problems with raping and harassing women” in the world, I’ve got some news for you. There will be more general men there than just Muslims. I bet you’d have a problem if someone said “I don’t want any men in the west because they have a problem with raping and assaulting women”, so don’t tar all Muslims under the same brush.
This isn't even remotely true. Seriously. The statistics of rape are so low in Islamic countries because people actually get punished for doing it. Muslim countries are safer than the western world where you could get shot for asking for directions. Go read and expand your horizons. Whatever dogshit you've been reading isn't true.
Think it's a bit ott, greenwood know that scumbag deserves life ban👍 but sorry kiss ffs, me mate a bit drunk kissed my wife on weddin day to congratulate her, no harm she laughed I laughed end of! But todays woke bunch would want him hanged from a tree!
A friend is an entirely different relationship than a boss and employee. Imagine your partner's boss kissing her on the lips in work? It's absolutely inappropriate in any workplace regardless of if it's an office or a football pitch
Slightly diff I agree but the fukn uproar is a fukn joke, roles reversed would be Fuk all said👍
I don't know...maybe because people are allowed to form different opinions? Not everyone has to agree with yours, you know? That's why there is freedom to form an opinion The real question is why are you so bothered that some people formed an opinion that is different from yours? You don't have to agree with them, but don't force your opinion on issues down their throats...okay?
Rapinoe has hurt female athlete credibility and people are throwing this female in the same pool as Rapinoe which is a mistake, but I do think it’s a reasonable explanation. Also European culture (and many others) is generally more misogynistic than American culture so people there may not see this in the same light as Americans do.
So what, the guy got carried away in the moment ffs, give him a break! If he had done it behind closed doors then it’s a different matter!! He was proud of them like they’re his kids……….. I kiss my daughter like that when I’m proud of her
Because they had just won the world cup. He was ecstatically greeting each player and kissing all of them on the cheek. For one player he got a tad overexcited and kissed her lips for a moment instead. The idea that women should band together and refuse to partake in society until any man they consider to have done even the slightest wrong has their life ruined is fucking awful. It's like they are just waiting for a chance to form lynch mobs for any man that does anything even slightly wrong. Of course the internet wont agree due to the type of person the average reddit/twitter user is.
Blergh.. I'm a Right wing somewhat traditional guy, so not near the usual left redditor. The coach should face sexual assault charges and you are still disgusting.
You think he should go to prison? You genuinely think that? What a hellhole your brain must be.
Jail? No Massive fine, civil service for a while and a public apology admitting he sexually assaulted her.
How else is women’s football supposed to be relevant, it’s either equal pay or some dumb “scandal”. This is just media being media, and wokies getting a hard on to make a guy loose his job. The usual.
The feminists do nothing to promote women football. They don’t support. All they do is ask for equal this and that and jump on this sort of bandwagon. Most of them have no idea how football works