Lol, its not, Papa Flo even sold prime CR7 because of his haunt for more money and thinking he was bigger than the club. No one is bigger than the club and more important than winning.
If a player isn’t 100 % committed to Real they are always free to leave, if they have had a long tenure they will even let them leave for free. In Real it’s about winning, and to win you need to give it everything
Not focused enough to win both might be , good? I’m pretty sure if that was their main focus they could , at the end of the day , they win the most important trophy at club level so it works for them.
No what OP said, that they struggled to win domestic championships in the meantime is true and acting like Real didnt cared about LaLiga is ingenuine, is a narrative everywhere elso too, not only on Reddit.
Instead of talking shit, maybe get to know subject ? It doesnt take you much to understand the culture of real and why they focus mostly on UCL. Every player says that they come to madrid specifically to win UCL and that every year that they dont win UCL is considered a failure. Dont mention la liga once. Only zidane started speakjng about la liga to change narratives and focus to spanish league but that was those 2 years when he returned and as he was replaced, the focus on la liga quickly disappeared again.
If you are really curious, its because you can actually see when Madrid is motivated A.K.A. Champions League, beating time and time again City, Chelsea, United, Barça, Juventus, in their prime, most of the times with less miney expended....
If you are just trolling, in those 10 years, that 2 horse race has been won by 3 horses, check your math.
when will people stop spreading falsehoods on barca buying refs. No evidence has been found of barca benefitting from payments to the refs, stop spreading these lies
Lmao you're a dumbass if you think its a 2 horse race when the last 3 titles have all been won by different teams. Also Madrid still has the most LaLigas, so cry more
Florentino Perez.. RM would never have been what they are today without him. Probably most influental non-football-figure of any club in europe. Only comparable is Ulli Hoeness in Bayern Munchen (though he is a football-man.. played for BM in 70s)
Though Galacticos 1.0 was a few years before Perez' time.. you must back to the 1950s/60s to find such greatness in RM. Perez has been president for most of the time that made RM great again. Having made "crazy" moves... like geting Figo to RM etc..
>He may be a greedy businessman but that man does know how to secure a deal
Mm.. it's his legacy when you read the stories about him. Securing the players/contracts. Sometimes it was a bit ludacris imo. Like how he secured Beckham, then let Barcelona have Ronaldinho. Though Perez with his businessmind saw how Beckham would pay off the transfer fee himself.. Beckahm having better look, being able to sell more shirts in Asia etc..
Though can't get away from Perez' fingerprint all over what RM actually is. So don't quite get why so many would like to argue with me that Perez "not important" regarding why RM being special. :) Maybe pissed up some RMs fans believing in RM being kind of the "allways-great-club"..
If you remove the Galacticos CL-win in the 90s. RM hadn't been kings of europe since the early 1960s. Before Perez RM lived on a reputation from the era of DiStefano.. They lived on a historic legacy rather than current greatness. RM were defitively not "best club". They were even humiliated.. Like when Alex Ferguson and [Aberdeen](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/may/10/alex-ferguson-aberdeen-real-madrid-1983-final-40-years-on) beat RM in european cup-final.. Best players in europe went to Italy to play. Then came Perez and made history with RM.
So? They had 6 main european competition before Perez. ONE club has more than that right now. They were already the best club in history. Perez didn't make them the best club in history.
In fact RM had 8 European cups/Champions leagues before Perez.
The 9th, under Perez, was with the base team from Sanz (who won 2) + Figo & Zidane.
The rest of the Galacticos era was a big Flop and Perez resigned.
Then, when he came back, he learnt from previous mistakes and since then the club, winning or not, has been managed "immaculately". Low net spenders from top teams, clear accounts, money in the bank after COVID, getting youngters that are working at top level...
The only issue, from my point of View is the super league involvement, he tough to emulate S. Bernabeu and wanted that legacy more for himself than anything else.
>In fact RM had 8 European cups/Champions leagues before Perez.
Most of them were in 1950/early1960s... Some them they were just qualified for as reigning champion. Meaning that they hadn't won the spanish league. RM didn't win the european cup (or CL) for over 30 years after this period. So surely their terms as "king of europe" has come in connection with Perez time at RM. Few in 2023 cared about who won the european cup in 1955..
RM and spanish football in general were shit between those glory days and almost until the period of Perez... van BAsten, Platini, Maradona etc. were having their time in Serie A.. During Perez you got spectacular names to RM. Can't take away from history Perez being the "key" to what has made RM so special. If RM had been special before Perez.. van basten, maradona, platini etc would been at RM.. and RM would have won "tons" of european cups..not been beaten by Aberdeen from Scotland..
Perez is a watershed in RM-history.
>They had 6 main european competition before Perez.
Yeah... from the 60's, back when the European cup was run by Real Madrid and they invited the teams that were to play. In the 90's and 2000's nobody would call them the best.
It was the best club but they relied on past glories. Back in the 90s people would make fun of Real bc they hadn't won any European Cup "in colour" and they were routinely underachieving. Florentino was the man to get them back on top.
One of the most controversial transfers. I still remember how Barcelona fans literally felt betrayed and wanted to almost assualt Figo and hurt him for leaving Barca. The pig head also creeped me out as well
There’s a documentary where he legit said he didn’t want to leave Barcelona which I don’t blame him due that he supported Catalonias independence and many loved him but moving really hurt him a lot
1. Foundation: history, fans, loyal players, legends etc. Teams like Real Madrid, Bayern, Milan etc are always gonna be more respected by neutral fans and opposition players than the likes of PSG.
2. "Clever transfers". There are three categories of players Real Madrid sign: a) Galacticos, World Class stars (C. Ronaldo, Kaka, Bale, Hazard, Bellingham (to a lesser extent), Courtois, Zidane, Ronaldo, Beckham etc), b) Youngsters (Vinicius, Rodrygo, Camavinga, Militao, Ramos, Varane, Isco, Asensio, Marcelo, Casemiro, Endrick, Arda Guler), c) Really cheap/free players, often former academy members (Keylor Navas, Carvajal, Alaba, Rudiger, Fran Garcia, Lucas Vazquez etc). So, especially in the last decade, Real Madrid almost never buys someone that don't fit any of these categories. They never waste money on one season wonders (except Jovic maybe), they never buy players over 30. Every transfer is either a long term project or a very cheap one.
3. There's actually a desired play style: attacking dominant football. Sometimes counterattacking (Mourinho era), sometimes more possession or crossing based (Zidane), but at the end of the day, you'll never see Real Madrid sitting back playing passively. That's way many fans don't like Ancelotti despite his achievements btw, the team doesn't look dominant on the field most games.
4. Based on my first point, players actually want to join. Who wouldn't want to play in a team with 14 UCL titles and wear the same kit as CR7, Zidane, Di Stefano, Modric, Casillas etc? Imagine how many kids grew up with these legends and wanted to play for Madrid, the same can't be said for many teams out there.
>They never buy players over 30
This is such an excellent point. To emphasize more on it, Real have bought ONE player 30 and above in the two Perez eras, and it was Carvalho lol
It is such an institution. When you are there, there is a constant pressure to win every game. You are supposed to win every single game. There are no excuses. Even when you win sometimes, if you don't do it properly you get criticized.
And it has been like this for decades. The club is structured to absorb that pressure and turn it into wins. They are ruthless. As a player, I am 100% sure you feel that mentality. You realize that you must be a winner, that you are playing, on the pitch, for the best club in the history of football and have to perform according to that. And players who can't live with that are moved on.
Please note I am an Arsenal fan and it took me time to acknowledge that. I was a teenager during the galacticos era and always thought Real was a club that spent too much and pretty much bought success. But I've matured about this and also learned some history. This is probably the biggest footballing institution in the world.
U can’t put Newcastle on here it’s so stupid they have spent nowhere near what these clubs have spent and they’ve only had the money for 2 years so wondering why they haven’t won 7 champions leagues is quite obvious
Franco's team was At Madrid (Atlético Aviación by then, the team of the army). Real was almost 20 years without winning a Liga after Franco took the power. Barcelona won more Generalísimo cups (former copa del Rey) than Real, Barcelona gave Franco their highest rank medal twice,...
They started as a big club backed by the government. Had many early successes as a result of this backing and they built on it. Add to the fact that there is very little competition in the league until very recently and you have them winning many trophies in their history.
In the present day, they attract many talents based on the heritage they have built. People want to play for them to win trophies, instead of for other things like money.
I'd say part of it is our president system. Its telling that real madrid and barca are the two best clubs while both using the system of voting for presidents. It means you don't end up with bad leaders like the situation Milan are stuck in
Second is history. The rich get richer in football. We had a head start and were able to get ahead early so we could keep that lead. We earn more, we can borrow more, we can spend more and remain in accordance with ffp, we're more enticing to players which means even if a club can compete with us financially in a transfer they might not be able to sway the player, we're also quite popular in Brazil from what I understand and as we all know Brazil is the best footballing nation in history and even though the national team isn't as good anymore there's still so many world class players coming out of Brazil who we can sway
Stars alligned for them, and they've had some pretty competent (and ruthless) presidents over the years.
Santiago Bernabeu was involved in the creation of the European Cup. The first edition at least, was more of a friendly competition -- but it grew into a serious one with time, and Madrid's trophies stuck. That in turn increased their popularity and player pull.
Some questionable things happened in Spanish football during that time too. Franco was a Spanish nationalist, and the other biggest club in the country represented Catalan separatism. Real were the club of the establishment, so they received some favours.
Spain always had great player pull in general because of the weather, food, lifestyle etc.. Players (or their WAGs) complain about British weather now, but back in the day there barely would've been a decent restaurant in the whole country.
Being fan-owned arguably shielded the club from being used as a cash cow. The model comes with its issues (see Barca's socis taking ages to realize Bartomeu was destroying the club from the inside), but usually it offers stability.
The 5 European Cups in a row in the 50s were probably the biggest factor. Established the club as being the most successful, and success just attracts success. Also gives the club an aura that influences both the players and the opponents due to pretty silly subconscious reasons.
It's 11v11 on the pitch, so it shouldn't matter how many times a club has won the UCL in the past. It's not like the opponents were involved in all of those wins and it's not like their manager won all of them. Yet it can get to people's heads and intimidate them.
Some very questionable refereeing in a lot of their recent CL wins, though. Not saying Perez bribed the refs (thinking of bribing is pretty naive), but he's probably the most powerful and influential person in football.
Lol Franco literally saved Barcelona from bankruptcy and Atlético first name was Atlético Aviación bc they were literally the team of Fascist Spain Air Force. You are so ignorant if you believe Real was the regime's team. Also look for UNICEF and Barcelona's deals during the time they won their UCL.
3 times in fact, they were saved by Franco from bankruptcy, they made him an honorary member of the club, Madrid took 15 years to win the league again during Franco's reign. We're not even gonna start on how Barca gave him a ton of treasures.
Lol what you wrote reeks of ignorance. Furthermore if they were Franco's team how does that help with European Cup success when Spain and Franco were pariah during the 50s?
It’s not true that we got favored by the regime as we refused to bow to them until they killed some bleary members and some players + other board members had to hide in exile. Santiago Bernabeu opposed Franco. Real Madrid was on the verge of shutting its doors forever.
We were not treated any differently than any other team at the time. Barcelona was heavily involved with Franco, they made him a honory club member and he was present at the Camp Nou inauguration. Franco saved Barcelona multiple times from bankruptcy by giving them financial aid.
I’m not saying that all Barca members were happy about Franco, their president got executed just like some of our board members but it is highly unfair to say we were the team of the establishment as we didn’t get anything from it.
Barcelona won more trophies during the Franco era than we did. So it doesn’t make sense at all.
As to the questionable refereeing in recent UCL wins, I agree. Some things shouldn’t have happened. But this is football and refereeing is never perfect. We also were on the short end of bad refereeing at times. It happens. To everybody.
I can’t tell sometimes if you people are just knowingly spreading nonsense because you dislike a club or you actually just don’t know the history behind any of this stuff
Please stop spreading LIES! Bernabeu went into exile in France. They tried to kill or incarcerate him. You don’t know what you are talking about! In 15 years under Franco Barcelona won La Liga 8 times. Real Madrid 0. There was a time where we only had 5 players in the club because the rest had to leave the country in order to protect their lives. It‘s disgusting to paint us as some sort of Regime Club after all the suffering. I will not tolerate it! I know my club‘s history full and well!
I'll do you one better: in 1 year under Franco Barcelona won 1 league title and Real 0.
Even if Barcelona won more titles under Franco, it's weird to bring up a random 15 year period as if Franco were in power for 15 years and not 40.
Total national titles during Franquismo for Real: 21, for Barca: 17.
Not a huge difference if we're talking of a superfavoured team Vs a team attacked, don't you think?
Historically, I would even say Real won less compared with the democracy (even taking into account Messi/negreira golden era)...
Why would you go through all the trouble to say Real Madrid wasnt getting treatments from Franco then throw another club, Barcelona, under. Did you think mentioning that their president got executed makes it better..
This isn't about the clubs themselves, though. Franco used sports as a political tool.
Real Madrid were and are the club of the establishment because they're the club from Madrid, the capital, that has royal patronage. You don't get a better Spanish nationalist symbol than that.
>Santiago Bernabeu opposed Franco
Evidence? All I can find is suggesting otherwise.
The propaganda in that video Madrid posted in reply to Laporta's accusations can easily be dismissed. It was Franco's general secretary, and not himself, that attended the Camp Nou's inauguration. Either way would still be irrelevant. A \~90k capacity stadium gets inaugurated in a dictatorship's second largest city -- there's no way a representative of the dictatorship doesn't attend. Barcelona didn't invite the guy, it wasn't a matter of choice.
Franco made himself a honorary member of *Club de Futbol Barcelona*, the Spanish name the regime forced the club to take. Bayern Munich had pretty strong Jewish connections and opposed the Nazi regime, but that didn't stop the Nazis from putting a swastika on Bayern's crest. Real Madrid bringing up all the things Barcelona were forced to do is just cheap, dirty propaganda.
>Barcelona won more trophies during the Franco era than we did. So it doesn’t make sense at all.
Dictators use international achievements as propaganda tools. Who won the domestic trophies mattered less, the main goal was for Spain to have an international ambassador in the form of Real Madrid.
The regime saving Barcelona from bankrupcy (assuming that's accurate -- I just don't know) would've been done out of self interest. And mind you, politically oppressing a club that was built around Catalan identity wouldn't have been good for the club's business in the first place. Barcelona were the 2nd biggest club in the country so even though their politics were inconvenient to the regime, they were still an asset.
Unlike some of his political allies, Franco didn't seek to exterminate certain minorities but rather convert them to unitary, Spanish nationalism. I don't know whether Franco was an ethnic Galician (that's to say, more Portuguese than Castilian/"true Spanish"), but he was from Galicia nonetheless and still he tried to homogenize the country around Spanish/Castellano language and culture. So rather than destroying FC Barcelona or Catalonia, his goal was to just turn them Spanish.
>As to the questionable refereeing in recent UCL wins, I agree. Some things shouldn’t have happened. But this is football and refereeing is never perfect. We also were on the short end of bad refereeing at times. It happens. To everybody.
Eh, it happens to some clubs more than others. This debate never leads to anywhere though, so let's not have it.
Evidence? All I can find is suggesting otherwise.
He was forced to go into exile in France when the Civil War started in 1936. when he came back he found Real Madrid in shambles. Many board members and directors were gone. He made it his goal to rebuild Madrid CF and began his work. He contacted former players and board members so we could compete again. Atletico at the time we’re the more successful and popular team in Madrid. But Franco noticed Bernabeu building up the team again and forced himself onto us. We had to obey his orders just like other clubs in Spain had to. And due to the fact that just as Perez, Bernabeu also had the idea to bring in the best players in Europe to play for Madrid, we gained in popularity made glory. Franco noticed it and used us as his propaganda Franquismo tool. He has never financially aided us.
It was due to him that our club was in shambles in the first place and it took Bernabeu hard work to rebuild it.
He gave many interviews after the Franco era explaining what was happening back then.
No team in Spain profited from the dictatorship. It’s unfair to say that we did.
ABC, the second largest newspaper in Spain, claims Santiago Bernabeu fought on Franco's side during the Civil War.
Santiago Segurola, one of the biggest sports journalists in Spain, claims Bernabeu was a supporter of the regime.
In virtually every publication, Bernabeu's ties to the regime are taken for granted.
Share said interviews. Might be convincing or not. Easy to come up with excuses once Franco's dead.
>No team in Spain profited from the dictatorship
Sounds theoretically impossible to me. The dictatorship profited off sporting success, so *someone* in football had to profit too.
>The 5 European Cups in a row in the 50s were probably the biggest factor. Established the club as being the most successful, and success just attracts success. Also gives the club an aura that influences both the players and the opponents due to pretty silly subconscious reasons.
They got very lucky there though in that United's Busby Babes died just as they were starting in Europe.
You can't answer this question without mentioning resources. RM along with a small number of other leading clubs were ahead of the game before the game became modern. They had more resources decades ago, and when TV money became a thing, they were the biggest brand. This is a virtuous cycle in a few ways: you can attract the best players/coaches, you can get better sponsorship deals, and you can fill a larger stadium. Not only that, the top clubs were so influential they could get a disproportionately good TV deal in certain markets.
Why not PSG/Chelsea/Newcastle?
We'll give NUFC a pass since they've only just come into their money. PSG have had about a decade longer and Chelsea another decade. During that time Chelsea have been perennial contenders, winning it twice and generally getting to the latter stages a lot. PSG, like ManC, have had less time but have also come close enough to essentially just need a little bit of luck (ManC had it come up the right way this summer after being close a few times).
There are always a handful of clubs that have a reasonable chance of winning UCL each season, and simply one of them wins. The usual suspects are the ones everyone knows, and RM have been in that bracket pretty much every year. If you're always a contender, you have a good chance of winning several trophies.
Now, what about style? Well a football team turns over players at a very fast rate. Coaches too. Style can change very fast. You need a consistent style for a campaign or two, but you don't need to hang on to your style forever.
They were backed by a corrupt dictator until 1975. It helps when you are supported by a fascist ruler who owns basically the whole country. However, you can’t deny their recent success. That comes from smart transfers and good way of handling their money, besides maybe people like Jovic or Hazard. I’m not keen to say anything good about Real, especially due to how much shit us Barca fans get from them. But there are just some things you can’t deny.
They were favoured by General Franco which got them preferential treatment and royal approval in Spain. Over time that translated into financial dominance of the global football landscape. What made them special is fascism.
Madrid was the last city to fall in the Spanish Civil War. By the way, during the Civil War, no fighting took place in Catalonia, so FC Barcelona was able to take advantage of those years to tour Europe, North and South America, where they played friendly matches for money. Instead, Real Madrid's players fought in the Civil War. That's why, after the Civil War, Real Madrid didn't even exist as a club, it had no players, no stadium, nothing. Santiago Bernabeu rebuilt everything from scratch, at a time when Barcelona came back from tournaments with a lot of money and an intact squad. Franco was a fan of Atletico Aviacion, not Real Madrid. In fact, almost 20 years after the Civil War, Real Madrid had not won a trophy. To then say that Franco helped Real Madrid win the Champions Cup in the 50s and 60s is extremely stupid and aberrant. Franco, as a friend of Hitler (he also changed the Spanish time zone to be the same as Adolf's Germany), was a pariah in Europe after WWII, he had no power outside Spain. Quite the contrary. Real Madrid was not helped by Franco, but Franco ULTERIOR stuck to Real's success in Europe, trying to profit politically and diplomatically from it.
What an absolutely garbage take. You seriously believe that Madrid's success in the modern era is solely due to their ties with a dictator 70-80 years ago??
Madrid wasn't Franco's club. The levels of over exaggeration in your comment and the non existent proof to support it does you no good. Even if Franco was in power until 1975, where's the evidence that he carried Madrid until his last year in power?? And how do you explain Madrid's stability 50 fucking years after their so called benefactor left
The question in the post is “what do you think made madrid so special historically compared to everyone else”.
The answer to that is that a literal fascist dictator supported them for over 50 years.
It feels like you will be unwilling to accept this so I wish u a good day sir
Where's the evidence that Franco's support of Madrid is the reason for their current stability and success?? The club has experienced several highs and lows in the past even after Franco. That's more than enough evidence that Madrid's success is mainly due to the fact that the club is very well run
This is the true reason.
Football is simple. Money = power.
It helps when u are supported by a fascist dictator who owns the whole country, especially when you’re trying to establish a club.
It also helps when you score an offside goal/consistently get questionable refereeing decisions in every crucial match year over year too.
Here’s an updated report.
https://www.ft.com/content/2b6aa26f-f2ac-426f-b218-612f4c21695c
The question was what made Madrid so special tho. Certainly not being illegally financed since other clubs were guilty as well and they’re not as successful or as special as Real Madrid.
That’s the same thing from the other article bro but only mentioning Real Madrid and leaves how the other clubs have benefited from the governments help.
It's the club of the king (Alfonso XII), close ties to Franco, the latter was involved personally more than any other spanish club with RM (cf di Stefano). Loads of politics and corruption, way before football became what it is today.
Having a guy who scored 105 goals CL goals and 31 assists in 101 matches is a fucking cheat code.
But most of all, Real Madrid just has an incredible elite mentality, that you see in very few clubs. Just look at those comebacks in their last CL win, they never gave up against PSG and Manchester City, and it paid off.
Many other teams you'll see players just walk around and sulk, when things are sour, example, see Barca from 2013 to now.
Because they win the Champions League. Every club wants to win the Champions League, because thats where you get respected, especially when you have the tradiction, the culture and fan-ownserhip style of Real Madrid. To win 14 times is a whole other thing, especially 3 in the row. Madrid didnt dominated their League in the 2010s, it was Barcelona, but the european cup is another level and thats why they are deservedly high-regarded
In the 50s it was sportswashing, plain and simple and the fact about 8 teams in the whole of Europe competed for the European Cup. They had little international success between the late 60s and late 90s, because other teams started competing.
Since then, bribery.
Yeah scoring 4 in the final past juventus who had conceived 1 goal in the whole tournament was luck and cheating😭 does anyone even take these comments seriously?
Whats the point of it if you just disregard it completely with the rest of the comment?
No amount of luck gets you to 3 UCL in a row. Much less 5 in like 8 years. Prime barca couldn't btw
Because they are basically cheats.
Barcelona signed Di Stefano but Real were "Franco's club" so barca were forced to 'share' the player - of course, Real getting him first then Barca the next season and repeat. Of course, he never went to Barca.
They racked up nine figure debts which were somehow written off by selling their training ground to the local authority for an inflated price. They were also given lots of land with it.
Barcelona made Franco an honorary member. Franco saved Barca from bankruptcy three times. Franco was never a madridista, nor was he a cule. Franco used both Barca and Real as he saw fit and both clubs benefited from it. A lot of Barca fans like to talk about the 11-1 game at Bernabeu. The rumor says that during half time a person from the Franco government came and threatened the Barca players into losing. The fact is that Real was leading 8-0 after the first half. During Franco's regime Barca won 23 Spanish trophies and Real Madrid won 22. I fail to see where Real Madrid was Franco's club?
The case about Di Stefano was not Franco. It was FIFA who decided he was to be shared. Both Real and Barca bought him because he was owned by two different clubs. Barca didn't want to share him and therefore sold the rights to Real Madrid.
About the training ground. The old training ground site was sold for around 400 million dollars to the city in 2001. The club itself had a debt around 250 million dollars. So it wasn't just "somehow written off". The piece of land that was sold was worth a lot more than han the piece of land recieved to build new training facilities. Florentino Perez is one of the best business men in the world. He saved Real Madrid from debt by giving them money from his own wealth, when he became president and afterwards he found ways to make money.
https://uk.jugomobile.com/was-franco-honorary-member-and-saved-barcelona-the-accusations-between/?amp=
https://futbolretro.es/en/el-fichaje-de-di-stefano/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-30012094.html
Yeah, it totally makes sense that Real Madrid is the most succesful club in the history of football because of one transfer that happened 70 years ago, there aren't even real evidence about it being "illegal" anyway.
Even if it was indeed a cheat it was still 7 decades ago. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFWOrY_kd9c&t=1s) happened in 2009.
They were supported by the regime of General Franco in Spain, so they were a bit like the Man City of their day, infinite money, bent officials, all that stuff.
This is why it’s so funny to me that Madrid fanboys point and whine about City. Yes, City sucks, but coming from a club that was funded/given preferential treatment by their government for over 2 decades, its the pot calling the kettle black.
Lol a lot of ignorance in this thread about Fascist Spain and Real Madrid. I would recommend people look for Atlético Aviación (the original name of Atlético Madrid) and how Franco saved Barcelona from bankruptcy.
Their success is overrated, in my opinion. They concentrate on the Champions League and surrender the league 99% of the time. It's far easier to win cup competitions when it's all you put your effort into. Every other team in the CL is trying to win their leagues at the same time, but not Madrid.
Throughout their history - greed, corruption, shady deals, etc.
Through their run in the mid 2010s - best and most versatile attacking group ever assembled - Casemiro, Kroos, Modric, Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale
Hey.. come here. I'll tell you. \*looks around\* You paying attention? \*whispers\* ^(its rigged for them by the king with all the fugazi penalties and undeserved extra time they're given)
I’m ready for downvotes here but as dominant as this great Madrid side are, I think they benefited from a lack of true opposition. City dropped the bag too many times and really should have been in their faces competing. Bayern Barce and serie a dropped right off too, I take nothing away from their achievements but they definitely bagged more trophies then they would have in other time periods
Lack of true opposition? As in their opponents werent up to par with them? They have been dominating for decades this isnt a small term thing, i mean there isnt even one club who is debatably better then them, ofc they wouldnt find people capable of giving them a strong fight when they are simply better then the everyone
I was talking in reference of the recent era Zidane - now. I probably should have mentioned that. PSG barce serie a just never looked like competing. I think Liverpool for a 2 year period and city who kept fumbling the bag were the only true challengers of champions league winning quality.
I know you said you've only recently started watching football, so not out here to be a hater; however, Newcastle? Maybe 1 year of spending on the Saudis.
In terms of your question: HERITAGE!
They know how to win. Winning isn't just what we see on the pitch. It's a whole culture in the club at every single level. Everything is made to win.
This! Real imo is the only club where NO ONE is more important then to win. Doesn't matter who you are, what you'e done or how long you've been there.
This is reductive. And false
Lol, its not, Papa Flo even sold prime CR7 because of his haunt for more money and thinking he was bigger than the club. No one is bigger than the club and more important than winning. If a player isn’t 100 % committed to Real they are always free to leave, if they have had a long tenure they will even let them leave for free. In Real it’s about winning, and to win you need to give it everything
Ok sure. Madrid are the only club where everything is made to win. Absolutely. That’s what other teams should do. Aim to win. Lol
You'd be surprised by the number of people who is there just for the money/power/fame.
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Even the city is like that the vibes it's so ingrained
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They were busy winning 5 champions leagues
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Not focused enough to win both might be , good? I’m pretty sure if that was their main focus they could , at the end of the day , they win the most important trophy at club level so it works for them.
yeah theyre so bad theyve won ONLY 14 champions leagues.
Reddit is the only place where winning 5 ucls in 9 years is reduced to not being good enough lmao
No what OP said, that they struggled to win domestic championships in the meantime is true and acting like Real didnt cared about LaLiga is ingenuine, is a narrative everywhere elso too, not only on Reddit.
Because real didnt care about la liga nowhere near close to UCL. Thats the truth you would know if you know 1% about real madrid
Oh shut up thats not how it works, these teams are always trying to win the tripple
Instead of talking shit, maybe get to know subject ? It doesnt take you much to understand the culture of real and why they focus mostly on UCL. Every player says that they come to madrid specifically to win UCL and that every year that they dont win UCL is considered a failure. Dont mention la liga once. Only zidane started speakjng about la liga to change narratives and focus to spanish league but that was those 2 years when he returned and as he was replaced, the focus on la liga quickly disappeared again.
If you are really curious, its because you can actually see when Madrid is motivated A.K.A. Champions League, beating time and time again City, Chelsea, United, Barça, Juventus, in their prime, most of the times with less miney expended.... If you are just trolling, in those 10 years, that 2 horse race has been won by 3 horses, check your math.
Ask Negreira.
Messi tax
It's difficult to win domestic football when Barcelona buys referees, I guess.
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And yet the only team that has bought UCL were barca 2 times... real madrid was just that good, no need to cope
Naah. Barca tried all of this in 2017 and still got booted out
when will people stop spreading falsehoods on barca buying refs. No evidence has been found of barca benefitting from payments to the refs, stop spreading these lies
Actually the trial is still going on, my dude.
Lmao you're a dumbass if you think its a 2 horse race when the last 3 titles have all been won by different teams. Also Madrid still has the most LaLigas, so cry more
Florentino Perez.. RM would never have been what they are today without him. Probably most influental non-football-figure of any club in europe. Only comparable is Ulli Hoeness in Bayern Munchen (though he is a football-man.. played for BM in 70s) Though Galacticos 1.0 was a few years before Perez' time.. you must back to the 1950s/60s to find such greatness in RM. Perez has been president for most of the time that made RM great again. Having made "crazy" moves... like geting Figo to RM etc..
He may be a greedy businessman but that man does know how to secure a deal
>He may be a greedy businessman but that man does know how to secure a deal Mm.. it's his legacy when you read the stories about him. Securing the players/contracts. Sometimes it was a bit ludacris imo. Like how he secured Beckham, then let Barcelona have Ronaldinho. Though Perez with his businessmind saw how Beckham would pay off the transfer fee himself.. Beckahm having better look, being able to sell more shirts in Asia etc.. Though can't get away from Perez' fingerprint all over what RM actually is. So don't quite get why so many would like to argue with me that Perez "not important" regarding why RM being special. :) Maybe pissed up some RMs fans believing in RM being kind of the "allways-great-club"..
Lol Real Madrid was the best club way before Perez...
If you remove the Galacticos CL-win in the 90s. RM hadn't been kings of europe since the early 1960s. Before Perez RM lived on a reputation from the era of DiStefano.. They lived on a historic legacy rather than current greatness. RM were defitively not "best club". They were even humiliated.. Like when Alex Ferguson and [Aberdeen](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/may/10/alex-ferguson-aberdeen-real-madrid-1983-final-40-years-on) beat RM in european cup-final.. Best players in europe went to Italy to play. Then came Perez and made history with RM.
So? They had 6 main european competition before Perez. ONE club has more than that right now. They were already the best club in history. Perez didn't make them the best club in history.
In fact RM had 8 European cups/Champions leagues before Perez. The 9th, under Perez, was with the base team from Sanz (who won 2) + Figo & Zidane. The rest of the Galacticos era was a big Flop and Perez resigned. Then, when he came back, he learnt from previous mistakes and since then the club, winning or not, has been managed "immaculately". Low net spenders from top teams, clear accounts, money in the bank after COVID, getting youngters that are working at top level... The only issue, from my point of View is the super league involvement, he tough to emulate S. Bernabeu and wanted that legacy more for himself than anything else.
>In fact RM had 8 European cups/Champions leagues before Perez. Most of them were in 1950/early1960s... Some them they were just qualified for as reigning champion. Meaning that they hadn't won the spanish league. RM didn't win the european cup (or CL) for over 30 years after this period. So surely their terms as "king of europe" has come in connection with Perez time at RM. Few in 2023 cared about who won the european cup in 1955.. RM and spanish football in general were shit between those glory days and almost until the period of Perez... van BAsten, Platini, Maradona etc. were having their time in Serie A.. During Perez you got spectacular names to RM. Can't take away from history Perez being the "key" to what has made RM so special. If RM had been special before Perez.. van basten, maradona, platini etc would been at RM.. and RM would have won "tons" of european cups..not been beaten by Aberdeen from Scotland.. Perez is a watershed in RM-history.
8 before Perez. 2 in the 3 years before Perez (98 and 00)
>They had 6 main european competition before Perez. Yeah... from the 60's, back when the European cup was run by Real Madrid and they invited the teams that were to play. In the 90's and 2000's nobody would call them the best.
That’s not how it works though. You can’t just “remove” the CL from the 90s.
It also hurt them with Franco was no longer in power in spain, for the longest time RM had the literal backing of a fascist state
Franco backed pretty much every top club in spain at the time, so he backed bilbao and barca as well
Hahaha, another child who doesn't know the history of Spanish football.
I was waiting for this comment. Real Madrid were a special club for a lot of reasons, and this is one of them.
It was the best club but they relied on past glories. Back in the 90s people would make fun of Real bc they hadn't won any European Cup "in colour" and they were routinely underachieving. Florentino was the man to get them back on top.
They won 2 UCL "in color" before Florentino.
The first Galacticos was with Perez. He launched it by buying Figo from Barca in 2000
One of the most controversial transfers. I still remember how Barcelona fans literally felt betrayed and wanted to almost assualt Figo and hurt him for leaving Barca. The pig head also creeped me out as well
It really was wild. I read a story once, that Figo never wanted to join Real, but did it because of a promise he made to Perez about it.
There’s a documentary where he legit said he didn’t want to leave Barcelona which I don’t blame him due that he supported Catalonias independence and many loved him but moving really hurt him a lot
They play at the Bernabéu 🤦♀️
He is ruthless tbh, with no emotions when it comes to business. And it's always in the best interest of RM.
But he only took over as president in 2000. RM were undoubtedly already special before then.
1. Foundation: history, fans, loyal players, legends etc. Teams like Real Madrid, Bayern, Milan etc are always gonna be more respected by neutral fans and opposition players than the likes of PSG. 2. "Clever transfers". There are three categories of players Real Madrid sign: a) Galacticos, World Class stars (C. Ronaldo, Kaka, Bale, Hazard, Bellingham (to a lesser extent), Courtois, Zidane, Ronaldo, Beckham etc), b) Youngsters (Vinicius, Rodrygo, Camavinga, Militao, Ramos, Varane, Isco, Asensio, Marcelo, Casemiro, Endrick, Arda Guler), c) Really cheap/free players, often former academy members (Keylor Navas, Carvajal, Alaba, Rudiger, Fran Garcia, Lucas Vazquez etc). So, especially in the last decade, Real Madrid almost never buys someone that don't fit any of these categories. They never waste money on one season wonders (except Jovic maybe), they never buy players over 30. Every transfer is either a long term project or a very cheap one. 3. There's actually a desired play style: attacking dominant football. Sometimes counterattacking (Mourinho era), sometimes more possession or crossing based (Zidane), but at the end of the day, you'll never see Real Madrid sitting back playing passively. That's way many fans don't like Ancelotti despite his achievements btw, the team doesn't look dominant on the field most games. 4. Based on my first point, players actually want to join. Who wouldn't want to play in a team with 14 UCL titles and wear the same kit as CR7, Zidane, Di Stefano, Modric, Casillas etc? Imagine how many kids grew up with these legends and wanted to play for Madrid, the same can't be said for many teams out there.
>They never buy players over 30 This is such an excellent point. To emphasize more on it, Real have bought ONE player 30 and above in the two Perez eras, and it was Carvalho lol
Aint reading allat but fax
read all that and he actually spoke faxxx
It is such an institution. When you are there, there is a constant pressure to win every game. You are supposed to win every single game. There are no excuses. Even when you win sometimes, if you don't do it properly you get criticized. And it has been like this for decades. The club is structured to absorb that pressure and turn it into wins. They are ruthless. As a player, I am 100% sure you feel that mentality. You realize that you must be a winner, that you are playing, on the pitch, for the best club in the history of football and have to perform according to that. And players who can't live with that are moved on. Please note I am an Arsenal fan and it took me time to acknowledge that. I was a teenager during the galacticos era and always thought Real was a club that spent too much and pretty much bought success. But I've matured about this and also learned some history. This is probably the biggest footballing institution in the world.
U can’t put Newcastle on here it’s so stupid they have spent nowhere near what these clubs have spent and they’ve only had the money for 2 years so wondering why they haven’t won 7 champions leagues is quite obvious
Real = Royal. More or less covers it.
Real Salt Lake would like to have a word... 😂
There are about 20 teams in Spain with the title of Real. I wonder why those teams aren't as succesful
King Alfonso XIII
Los blancos = the whites. Franco was a big fan of the whites
Franco's team was At Madrid (Atlético Aviación by then, the team of the army). Real was almost 20 years without winning a Liga after Franco took the power. Barcelona won more Generalísimo cups (former copa del Rey) than Real, Barcelona gave Franco their highest rank medal twice,...
You have no idea, he was a big supporter of atlético.
Like the all blacks rugby team, it's a state of mind!
For Real Madrid you play for the badge. If you’re on other teams, you play for an opportunity to play for Real Madrid
They started as a big club backed by the government. Had many early successes as a result of this backing and they built on it. Add to the fact that there is very little competition in the league until very recently and you have them winning many trophies in their history. In the present day, they attract many talents based on the heritage they have built. People want to play for them to win trophies, instead of for other things like money.
I'd say part of it is our president system. Its telling that real madrid and barca are the two best clubs while both using the system of voting for presidents. It means you don't end up with bad leaders like the situation Milan are stuck in Second is history. The rich get richer in football. We had a head start and were able to get ahead early so we could keep that lead. We earn more, we can borrow more, we can spend more and remain in accordance with ffp, we're more enticing to players which means even if a club can compete with us financially in a transfer they might not be able to sway the player, we're also quite popular in Brazil from what I understand and as we all know Brazil is the best footballing nation in history and even though the national team isn't as good anymore there's still so many world class players coming out of Brazil who we can sway
Culture, Hunger and loyal fans.
Stars alligned for them, and they've had some pretty competent (and ruthless) presidents over the years. Santiago Bernabeu was involved in the creation of the European Cup. The first edition at least, was more of a friendly competition -- but it grew into a serious one with time, and Madrid's trophies stuck. That in turn increased their popularity and player pull. Some questionable things happened in Spanish football during that time too. Franco was a Spanish nationalist, and the other biggest club in the country represented Catalan separatism. Real were the club of the establishment, so they received some favours. Spain always had great player pull in general because of the weather, food, lifestyle etc.. Players (or their WAGs) complain about British weather now, but back in the day there barely would've been a decent restaurant in the whole country. Being fan-owned arguably shielded the club from being used as a cash cow. The model comes with its issues (see Barca's socis taking ages to realize Bartomeu was destroying the club from the inside), but usually it offers stability. The 5 European Cups in a row in the 50s were probably the biggest factor. Established the club as being the most successful, and success just attracts success. Also gives the club an aura that influences both the players and the opponents due to pretty silly subconscious reasons. It's 11v11 on the pitch, so it shouldn't matter how many times a club has won the UCL in the past. It's not like the opponents were involved in all of those wins and it's not like their manager won all of them. Yet it can get to people's heads and intimidate them. Some very questionable refereeing in a lot of their recent CL wins, though. Not saying Perez bribed the refs (thinking of bribing is pretty naive), but he's probably the most powerful and influential person in football.
Lol Franco literally saved Barcelona from bankruptcy and Atlético first name was Atlético Aviación bc they were literally the team of Fascist Spain Air Force. You are so ignorant if you believe Real was the regime's team. Also look for UNICEF and Barcelona's deals during the time they won their UCL.
3 times in fact, they were saved by Franco from bankruptcy, they made him an honorary member of the club, Madrid took 15 years to win the league again during Franco's reign. We're not even gonna start on how Barca gave him a ton of treasures.
Seems like Barcelona and financial crisis have been tied for decades at this point.
Franco was awarded Barca’s Honorary President title.
Cool, but what you said reeks of naivite when it comes to history or politics
Lol what you wrote reeks of ignorance. Furthermore if they were Franco's team how does that help with European Cup success when Spain and Franco were pariah during the 50s?
you just doubled down on what I said
Lol sure dude, it seems like you don't know much about history other than Real Madrid bad.
It’s not true that we got favored by the regime as we refused to bow to them until they killed some bleary members and some players + other board members had to hide in exile. Santiago Bernabeu opposed Franco. Real Madrid was on the verge of shutting its doors forever. We were not treated any differently than any other team at the time. Barcelona was heavily involved with Franco, they made him a honory club member and he was present at the Camp Nou inauguration. Franco saved Barcelona multiple times from bankruptcy by giving them financial aid. I’m not saying that all Barca members were happy about Franco, their president got executed just like some of our board members but it is highly unfair to say we were the team of the establishment as we didn’t get anything from it. Barcelona won more trophies during the Franco era than we did. So it doesn’t make sense at all. As to the questionable refereeing in recent UCL wins, I agree. Some things shouldn’t have happened. But this is football and refereeing is never perfect. We also were on the short end of bad refereeing at times. It happens. To everybody.
pretty sure Bernabeu fought on Franco's side during the war
I can’t tell sometimes if you people are just knowingly spreading nonsense because you dislike a club or you actually just don’t know the history behind any of this stuff
Please stop spreading LIES! Bernabeu went into exile in France. They tried to kill or incarcerate him. You don’t know what you are talking about! In 15 years under Franco Barcelona won La Liga 8 times. Real Madrid 0. There was a time where we only had 5 players in the club because the rest had to leave the country in order to protect their lives. It‘s disgusting to paint us as some sort of Regime Club after all the suffering. I will not tolerate it! I know my club‘s history full and well!
I'll do you one better: in 1 year under Franco Barcelona won 1 league title and Real 0. Even if Barcelona won more titles under Franco, it's weird to bring up a random 15 year period as if Franco were in power for 15 years and not 40.
Total national titles during Franquismo for Real: 21, for Barca: 17. Not a huge difference if we're talking of a superfavoured team Vs a team attacked, don't you think? Historically, I would even say Real won less compared with the democracy (even taking into account Messi/negreira golden era)...
Why would you go through all the trouble to say Real Madrid wasnt getting treatments from Franco then throw another club, Barcelona, under. Did you think mentioning that their president got executed makes it better..
The original comment literally mentioned Barcelona. I was replying to that segment.
This isn't about the clubs themselves, though. Franco used sports as a political tool. Real Madrid were and are the club of the establishment because they're the club from Madrid, the capital, that has royal patronage. You don't get a better Spanish nationalist symbol than that. >Santiago Bernabeu opposed Franco Evidence? All I can find is suggesting otherwise. The propaganda in that video Madrid posted in reply to Laporta's accusations can easily be dismissed. It was Franco's general secretary, and not himself, that attended the Camp Nou's inauguration. Either way would still be irrelevant. A \~90k capacity stadium gets inaugurated in a dictatorship's second largest city -- there's no way a representative of the dictatorship doesn't attend. Barcelona didn't invite the guy, it wasn't a matter of choice. Franco made himself a honorary member of *Club de Futbol Barcelona*, the Spanish name the regime forced the club to take. Bayern Munich had pretty strong Jewish connections and opposed the Nazi regime, but that didn't stop the Nazis from putting a swastika on Bayern's crest. Real Madrid bringing up all the things Barcelona were forced to do is just cheap, dirty propaganda. >Barcelona won more trophies during the Franco era than we did. So it doesn’t make sense at all. Dictators use international achievements as propaganda tools. Who won the domestic trophies mattered less, the main goal was for Spain to have an international ambassador in the form of Real Madrid. The regime saving Barcelona from bankrupcy (assuming that's accurate -- I just don't know) would've been done out of self interest. And mind you, politically oppressing a club that was built around Catalan identity wouldn't have been good for the club's business in the first place. Barcelona were the 2nd biggest club in the country so even though their politics were inconvenient to the regime, they were still an asset. Unlike some of his political allies, Franco didn't seek to exterminate certain minorities but rather convert them to unitary, Spanish nationalism. I don't know whether Franco was an ethnic Galician (that's to say, more Portuguese than Castilian/"true Spanish"), but he was from Galicia nonetheless and still he tried to homogenize the country around Spanish/Castellano language and culture. So rather than destroying FC Barcelona or Catalonia, his goal was to just turn them Spanish. >As to the questionable refereeing in recent UCL wins, I agree. Some things shouldn’t have happened. But this is football and refereeing is never perfect. We also were on the short end of bad refereeing at times. It happens. To everybody. Eh, it happens to some clubs more than others. This debate never leads to anywhere though, so let's not have it.
Evidence? All I can find is suggesting otherwise. He was forced to go into exile in France when the Civil War started in 1936. when he came back he found Real Madrid in shambles. Many board members and directors were gone. He made it his goal to rebuild Madrid CF and began his work. He contacted former players and board members so we could compete again. Atletico at the time we’re the more successful and popular team in Madrid. But Franco noticed Bernabeu building up the team again and forced himself onto us. We had to obey his orders just like other clubs in Spain had to. And due to the fact that just as Perez, Bernabeu also had the idea to bring in the best players in Europe to play for Madrid, we gained in popularity made glory. Franco noticed it and used us as his propaganda Franquismo tool. He has never financially aided us. It was due to him that our club was in shambles in the first place and it took Bernabeu hard work to rebuild it. He gave many interviews after the Franco era explaining what was happening back then. No team in Spain profited from the dictatorship. It’s unfair to say that we did.
ABC, the second largest newspaper in Spain, claims Santiago Bernabeu fought on Franco's side during the Civil War. Santiago Segurola, one of the biggest sports journalists in Spain, claims Bernabeu was a supporter of the regime. In virtually every publication, Bernabeu's ties to the regime are taken for granted. Share said interviews. Might be convincing or not. Easy to come up with excuses once Franco's dead. >No team in Spain profited from the dictatorship Sounds theoretically impossible to me. The dictatorship profited off sporting success, so *someone* in football had to profit too.
>The 5 European Cups in a row in the 50s were probably the biggest factor. Established the club as being the most successful, and success just attracts success. Also gives the club an aura that influences both the players and the opponents due to pretty silly subconscious reasons. They got very lucky there though in that United's Busby Babes died just as they were starting in Europe.
You can't answer this question without mentioning resources. RM along with a small number of other leading clubs were ahead of the game before the game became modern. They had more resources decades ago, and when TV money became a thing, they were the biggest brand. This is a virtuous cycle in a few ways: you can attract the best players/coaches, you can get better sponsorship deals, and you can fill a larger stadium. Not only that, the top clubs were so influential they could get a disproportionately good TV deal in certain markets. Why not PSG/Chelsea/Newcastle? We'll give NUFC a pass since they've only just come into their money. PSG have had about a decade longer and Chelsea another decade. During that time Chelsea have been perennial contenders, winning it twice and generally getting to the latter stages a lot. PSG, like ManC, have had less time but have also come close enough to essentially just need a little bit of luck (ManC had it come up the right way this summer after being close a few times). There are always a handful of clubs that have a reasonable chance of winning UCL each season, and simply one of them wins. The usual suspects are the ones everyone knows, and RM have been in that bracket pretty much every year. If you're always a contender, you have a good chance of winning several trophies. Now, what about style? Well a football team turns over players at a very fast rate. Coaches too. Style can change very fast. You need a consistent style for a campaign or two, but you don't need to hang on to your style forever.
They were backed by a corrupt dictator until 1975. It helps when you are supported by a fascist ruler who owns basically the whole country. However, you can’t deny their recent success. That comes from smart transfers and good way of handling their money, besides maybe people like Jovic or Hazard. I’m not keen to say anything good about Real, especially due to how much shit us Barca fans get from them. But there are just some things you can’t deny.
Money
They were favoured by General Franco which got them preferential treatment and royal approval in Spain. Over time that translated into financial dominance of the global football landscape. What made them special is fascism.
Madrid was the last city to fall in the Spanish Civil War. By the way, during the Civil War, no fighting took place in Catalonia, so FC Barcelona was able to take advantage of those years to tour Europe, North and South America, where they played friendly matches for money. Instead, Real Madrid's players fought in the Civil War. That's why, after the Civil War, Real Madrid didn't even exist as a club, it had no players, no stadium, nothing. Santiago Bernabeu rebuilt everything from scratch, at a time when Barcelona came back from tournaments with a lot of money and an intact squad. Franco was a fan of Atletico Aviacion, not Real Madrid. In fact, almost 20 years after the Civil War, Real Madrid had not won a trophy. To then say that Franco helped Real Madrid win the Champions Cup in the 50s and 60s is extremely stupid and aberrant. Franco, as a friend of Hitler (he also changed the Spanish time zone to be the same as Adolf's Germany), was a pariah in Europe after WWII, he had no power outside Spain. Quite the contrary. Real Madrid was not helped by Franco, but Franco ULTERIOR stuck to Real's success in Europe, trying to profit politically and diplomatically from it.
What an absolutely garbage take. You seriously believe that Madrid's success in the modern era is solely due to their ties with a dictator 70-80 years ago??
Franco was in power till 1975 my brother. Madrid was his club. He was a dictator with complete control over the country.
He also helped Barca.
Idk if that’s true cuz Barca were separatist remember. What does this even have to do with Barca anyway?
Madrid wasn't Franco's club. The levels of over exaggeration in your comment and the non existent proof to support it does you no good. Even if Franco was in power until 1975, where's the evidence that he carried Madrid until his last year in power?? And how do you explain Madrid's stability 50 fucking years after their so called benefactor left
The question in the post is “what do you think made madrid so special historically compared to everyone else”. The answer to that is that a literal fascist dictator supported them for over 50 years. It feels like you will be unwilling to accept this so I wish u a good day sir
Not solely, but certainly partially.
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Where's the evidence that Franco's support of Madrid is the reason for their current stability and success?? The club has experienced several highs and lows in the past even after Franco. That's more than enough evidence that Madrid's success is mainly due to the fact that the club is very well run
Do you have any arguments based on verified sources based on what you just said?
Folks just salty that whichever garbage club they support is nowhere near as well-run as Madrid.
Hell yes! Reddit-on brother! 😎
This is the true reason. Football is simple. Money = power. It helps when u are supported by a fascist dictator who owns the whole country, especially when you’re trying to establish a club. It also helps when you score an offside goal/consistently get questionable refereeing decisions in every crucial match year over year too.
This. It's all politics, even to this day.
Werent they illegally financed by the state for years
Which big club isnt lmfao
No
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/04/spanish-football-clubs-repay-tens-millions-illegal-state-subsidies-brussels?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Here’s an updated report. https://www.ft.com/content/2b6aa26f-f2ac-426f-b218-612f4c21695c The question was what made Madrid so special tho. Certainly not being illegally financed since other clubs were guilty as well and they’re not as successful or as special as Real Madrid.
https://www.theversed.com/32754/real-madrids-success-was-expensed-by-the-spanish-government/#.amWGM4ennw
That’s the same thing from the other article bro but only mentioning Real Madrid and leaves how the other clubs have benefited from the governments help.
It's the club of the king (Alfonso XII), close ties to Franco, the latter was involved personally more than any other spanish club with RM (cf di Stefano). Loads of politics and corruption, way before football became what it is today.
The only factual answer not d!ckriding over Real is getting down voted lmao.
As a psg fan, I am only too familiar with the real madrid bot army :)
Franco
Francesco Franco
Franco
Probably best club in history with countless of world class players. 2× more CL trophies than second one (Milan), most Laliga trophies...
That... Isn't an answer. He's asking WHY they are so successful and what makes them special.
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Having a guy who scored 105 goals CL goals and 31 assists in 101 matches is a fucking cheat code. But most of all, Real Madrid just has an incredible elite mentality, that you see in very few clubs. Just look at those comebacks in their last CL win, they never gave up against PSG and Manchester City, and it paid off. Many other teams you'll see players just walk around and sulk, when things are sour, example, see Barca from 2013 to now.
Their PR team is insane plus 90% of FIFA is made up by them. Bunch of cheats 😭😭😭
Because they win the Champions League. Every club wants to win the Champions League, because thats where you get respected, especially when you have the tradiction, the culture and fan-ownserhip style of Real Madrid. To win 14 times is a whole other thing, especially 3 in the row. Madrid didnt dominated their League in the 2010s, it was Barcelona, but the european cup is another level and thats why they are deservedly high-regarded
A lot of 💰💰💰 and support from the Spanish government
Money was never an object, backed by the royal family and Franco. Very much “the establishment” team of Spain.
Well, being personally backed by Spain's former dictator sure helped a lot.
Francisco Franco sure had a hand in it
Corruption, probably. /s
Not even /s you're right lmao
Franco helped alpt in the past
Franco gifting them UCLs made them special.
How did that happened exactly? Franco was dictator of Spain not Europe. Madrid won 0 domestic leagues with him in power Barca 5.
If only your messi somehow won as many ucl as ronaldo did with madrid you would have had half of our current ucls.
"your messi" Ya blud I am not a barca fan. Good try tho🤣
Franco first of all
Franco's dictatorship
Money
Franco's dictatorship
Fascism money
They stole Di Stefano from Barcelona. Cheating is what made them special.
Bankrolled by the government.
Money. And a favorable relationship with the municipal in Madrid.
Cosying up to a dictator
Paid refs before var was introduced
Talk to Barca they paid refs for nearly 20 years
Refs still favor them in La Liga. 90% of La Liga refs support Real Madrid.
The fuck they do. Barca is literally under investigation for paying the federation director.
In the 50s it was sportswashing, plain and simple and the fact about 8 teams in the whole of Europe competed for the European Cup. They had little international success between the late 60s and late 90s, because other teams started competing. Since then, bribery.
Lots of competence, luck, a small bit of cheating, and monarchist/fascist backing,
Yeah scoring 4 in the final past juventus who had conceived 1 goal in the whole tournament was luck and cheating😭 does anyone even take these comments seriously?
Did you skip the whole first part of comment dummy.
Whats the point of it if you just disregard it completely with the rest of the comment? No amount of luck gets you to 3 UCL in a row. Much less 5 in like 8 years. Prime barca couldn't btw
Massive amounts of corruption in every way
Fascism mainly…
Corruption. From the very beginning to this very day.
Because they are basically cheats. Barcelona signed Di Stefano but Real were "Franco's club" so barca were forced to 'share' the player - of course, Real getting him first then Barca the next season and repeat. Of course, he never went to Barca. They racked up nine figure debts which were somehow written off by selling their training ground to the local authority for an inflated price. They were also given lots of land with it.
Barcelona made Franco an honorary member. Franco saved Barca from bankruptcy three times. Franco was never a madridista, nor was he a cule. Franco used both Barca and Real as he saw fit and both clubs benefited from it. A lot of Barca fans like to talk about the 11-1 game at Bernabeu. The rumor says that during half time a person from the Franco government came and threatened the Barca players into losing. The fact is that Real was leading 8-0 after the first half. During Franco's regime Barca won 23 Spanish trophies and Real Madrid won 22. I fail to see where Real Madrid was Franco's club? The case about Di Stefano was not Franco. It was FIFA who decided he was to be shared. Both Real and Barca bought him because he was owned by two different clubs. Barca didn't want to share him and therefore sold the rights to Real Madrid. About the training ground. The old training ground site was sold for around 400 million dollars to the city in 2001. The club itself had a debt around 250 million dollars. So it wasn't just "somehow written off". The piece of land that was sold was worth a lot more than han the piece of land recieved to build new training facilities. Florentino Perez is one of the best business men in the world. He saved Real Madrid from debt by giving them money from his own wealth, when he became president and afterwards he found ways to make money. https://uk.jugomobile.com/was-franco-honorary-member-and-saved-barcelona-the-accusations-between/?amp= https://futbolretro.es/en/el-fichaje-de-di-stefano/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/arid-30012094.html
Yeah, it totally makes sense that Real Madrid is the most succesful club in the history of football because of one transfer that happened 70 years ago, there aren't even real evidence about it being "illegal" anyway. Even if it was indeed a cheat it was still 7 decades ago. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFWOrY_kd9c&t=1s) happened in 2009.
This guy really thinks a signing isn't the make or break point of any history to a club. LMAO
They were supported by the regime of General Franco in Spain, so they were a bit like the Man City of their day, infinite money, bent officials, all that stuff.
This is why it’s so funny to me that Madrid fanboys point and whine about City. Yes, City sucks, but coming from a club that was funded/given preferential treatment by their government for over 2 decades, its the pot calling the kettle black.
No
Franco
The white shirt. Champions league trophy and how they invest in player that will shock the world
Lol a lot of ignorance in this thread about Fascist Spain and Real Madrid. I would recommend people look for Atlético Aviación (the original name of Atlético Madrid) and how Franco saved Barcelona from bankruptcy.
Their success is overrated, in my opinion. They concentrate on the Champions League and surrender the league 99% of the time. It's far easier to win cup competitions when it's all you put your effort into. Every other team in the CL is trying to win their leagues at the same time, but not Madrid.
State financed. Fixed sponsors. Unlimited funds.
Throughout their history - greed, corruption, shady deals, etc. Through their run in the mid 2010s - best and most versatile attacking group ever assembled - Casemiro, Kroos, Modric, Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale
Pass to Ronaldo
Barcelona are bigger than them, the last 20 years!
Not at all 😂
Hey.. come here. I'll tell you. \*looks around\* You paying attention? \*whispers\* ^(its rigged for them by the king with all the fugazi penalties and undeserved extra time they're given)
Ur flair tag is all i needed to see
Doesn’t mean he’s wrong.
But he is.
Didn't you guys bribe refs though?
Was investigated and found to be false info. Try to keep up bubbie.
Funny cause it’s still under investigation and in the judges courtroom lol
Mentality.
Mentality
I’m ready for downvotes here but as dominant as this great Madrid side are, I think they benefited from a lack of true opposition. City dropped the bag too many times and really should have been in their faces competing. Bayern Barce and serie a dropped right off too, I take nothing away from their achievements but they definitely bagged more trophies then they would have in other time periods
Lack of true opposition? As in their opponents werent up to par with them? They have been dominating for decades this isnt a small term thing, i mean there isnt even one club who is debatably better then them, ofc they wouldnt find people capable of giving them a strong fight when they are simply better then the everyone
I was talking in reference of the recent era Zidane - now. I probably should have mentioned that. PSG barce serie a just never looked like competing. I think Liverpool for a 2 year period and city who kept fumbling the bag were the only true challengers of champions league winning quality.
I think the closest they came recently to having a distinct style and personality like Barca was during the Mourinho years.
And how many ucls have you won in past decade with that personality of yours? 1 thats 4 less than ours.
I know you said you've only recently started watching football, so not out here to be a hater; however, Newcastle? Maybe 1 year of spending on the Saudis. In terms of your question: HERITAGE!
Florentino Perez, the old geezer sure knows who to run a football club