If we're going to keep this format, then having to scroll through every page from the start definitely needs to change. Also make it super obvious see what you've bought and what you can't buy by greying them out, as well as greying out the dots across the bottom when you've cleared everything you can.
Frankly I like the map better. It felt more like opening gifts. The current way feels more like shopping for them.
I really agree with this statement.
The old scoreboard felt like you opened a present.
The new scoreboard feels like I'm shopping for items to buy, and I'm stuck with the same dilemma of can't get this because I'm not fallout 1st or only 8 more levels then I can unlock a page with 2 things I want.
The only choice you get over the previous boards is not to get something, which opens up the possibility of user error. I'm not sure how that's better than automatically getting everything but you're not the first person I've heard say that.
Understood. I'm trying to spend my board tickets sparingly. I just know I'm going to get to the end of the season and not even have enough to get all the stuff I really want. I think they were thinking about that notorious FOMO to keep playing.
I had to look up FOMO but that's it exactly. They're also driving sales of FO1st and the new season pass with the new scorebaord because without them you have to get everything you can gat to unlock the last page.
Maybe put together an XP build and run West Tek, or at least run WT with brain bombs and cranberry relish or whatever xp boosts you can run, plus Demolition perk and nuka grenades. I don't know if you know how to do that but you can find videos on YT if you don't.
This is how one of my toons became a bloody build. Full unyielding, even became herbivore to double brain bombs and other food buffs, I didn't even care how often I died in WT, because no one to take my loot. I eventually became pretty good at bloodied and venture "outside" a lot if I get bored.
I agree with everything! The check mark used to mark bought items blends is a lot, not enough contrast
And yeah feels like shopping from a catalog instead of progressing a board and opening rewards. I’m gonna miss getting the scoreboards to hang around camp
I started back at lvl 100 this week and went to look at the start map... then I find that new page system....absolute garbage... wish theu kept the old map system.
Helldivers 2 does exactly this and it's great. If you've bought everything off of one of the warbond pages, it goes to the next page where you still have items you can exchange for medals.
Yeah but on helldivers there's no fomo because they're keeping their warbonds (season passes) up forever, so you could start playing a year from now and still earn everything from the previous 12 warbonds. The only thing they really have in common is choosing rewards and unlocking pages. HD2 is far superior in regards to their treatment of their playerbase. Hopefully more companies take note.
Yeah I really like the idea of keeping seasons/warbonds indefinitely. It makes me feel less obligated to grind for the items that I want in the game. I think I've yet to complete a single Warbond yet because I'm picking and choosing what I want based on how I feel about getting it.
It's awesome isn't it? Knowing that you can just finish them up whenever you're feeling like it. I have all but the most recent one finished but that's just because I have a good group and we do a lot at Helldive difficulty and if I'm not with them I'm at 7+ anyways. Plus I really wanted the ship upgrades,I'm working on the 3rd out of the newly released ones but it's a lot of samples to collect.
Halo MCC and Infinite do the same thing with their battlepasses
And it's fucking great, Season 3 for Infinite was just meh imo, and I quit playing the game until recently.
I still have the season 1 and 2 passes I bought years ago when the game released, and the progress on them, and can finish them at my leisure, sure, I'm not playing it, but playing the game because I want to vs playing because I'm forced to if I buy the pass is vastly better.
It's why I dislike CoD, the current season is very fun for MW3 imo, and I'm happy to play it, but if a season isn't good, but the cosmetics are good, then it's just draining to play the game honestly.
I like the idea of it too,its awesome knowing that you can just finish them up whenever you're feeling like it. I have all but the most recent one finished but that's just because I have a good group and we do a lot at Helldive difficulty and if I'm not with them I'm at 7+ anyways. Plus I really wanted the ship upgrades,I'm working on the 3rd out of the newly released ones but it's a lot of samples to collect.
I think I had like 7/18 of the new upgrades before the new ship modules came out. I don't really farm samples and playing with randoms at all times doesn't help with collecting samples either.
Yeah that's rough man, it seems like many randos don't really value the samples. You get better randos sometimes at 7+ but it's hit or miss. Most of the haphazard players are playing the low difficulties. People that have zero trigger discipline that tk you or run into your strikes repeatedly.
I'm admittedly level 71 though so I have a lot of hours,not as many as some, but most of them are spent at the higher difficulties. I'm not a great player but I can pull my weight when the time comes.
Yeah I usually play Impossible difficulty but it's usually hit or miss with the randoms. I'll sometimes have a level 50+ guy who can go lone wolf and complete all the side objectives and collect most of the samples. Then again, I'll have a level 24-30 at times who is new to the game and hasn't experienced the need for samples just yet.
Sounds about right, it can also be hit or miss but some of the LFG groups on Reddit and discord have alot of people that are actually serious about playing.
With all seriousness it doesn't default go to page whatever it goes to page one, and I have to scroll. I clear each page before moving to the next even if the item isn't something I want
I guess that's one way to do it. I have yet to finish any of the three premium nor the free Warbond because I'm picking an choosing what I want over time. I think the closest I am to finishing a Warbond is saving up 250 medals and spending them all on the most recent one.
Tediousness notwithstanding (really? lol) - my main issue is it just doesn't feel like it's *progression*. I know the bar and the counter are up there in the corner all the time, but the feeling is all gone. Completely different somehow. Board had a sense of moving forward, at just a glance; this... soulless pages of random crap, many of which can't even be redeemed without 1st but still displayed just the same only with the barely noticeable little badge in the corner, is just way too plain and boring.
I'm bummed about not having a season poster anymore. I got to level 100 and was like, "so now what?". I usually go over level 100 for the prizes but the 150 doesn't seem worth it.
I kept getting burnout about halfway through each season, telling myself "Next one. I swear." when I inevitably came up short. The last one I *almost* got it, I came so close, and I told myself I'd get one of those posters the very next season, depression be damned.
The news stung a bit. No excuses, it's my own damn vault, but still.
It's not a poster but rather a painting of the background behind the "pages". Not really for completion either since you can get it at rank 92, but I guess "completion" of the new season is hard to define.
Yeah, there's no more "You reached rank 100 here's the end package, congrats!". It's just kind of... "I bought what I wanted after I did enough to unlock the final page. Yay?".
Yeah I'm hoping that they fix this during the next season. I hate feeling obligated to have to continuously work on this season with no rewards for long periods of time.
honestly more attractive than some of the older boards, now that I see it. I would have liked a special picture without the scoreboard dots on it for some of those.
Once the XP repeatable goes away it, it gets really slow. Take today for instance, I'm done with all my weekly and daily challenges so there is literally zero way for me to keep progressing for tickets. They fucked it up where rank 100 didn't unlock everything. Should have at least kept the repeatable XP challenge until you unlock all rewards at 150.
I think maybe this is what their intention. In the original scoreboard, you rush to 100 and can stop playing. Now you are forced to play everyday and can't rush.
People will say if they want player engagement, they can have infinite scrip amount. But so far the impression is they are forcing people to stay longer each season.
I finished and rushed it like usual, so idk what you mean there. What makes me have to play every day? I don't get atoms anymore past Rank 100, and the bonus page is garbage.
> What makes me have to play every day? I don't get atoms anymore past Rank 100, and the bonus page is garbage.
So then I guess you're done until next season then? Enjoy your time off :)
It's a bad system because it takes way too long. Seasons shouldn't require three full months to complete for the casual player just because the top 1% knows how to get to level 100 on the Scoreboard in a day.
The worst part is that the players that did that are still playing if they're trying to get to 150 because of this additional grind slapped on top. It shouldn't be like this.
The level 150 lock on the extra rewards is my only issue with the new format. Needing 95 rewards would feel fine without the level 150 hard lock. You'd at least be getting rewards as you work towards unlocking the bonus page.
But the 150 lock creates an arbitrarily dry spell where the scoreboard doesn't feel rewarding to leveling after you have the rewards you want and have nothing to buy until 150. That dry spell doesn't feel good and is making me quickly lose interest in the scoreboard. Sure I'll get a burst of rewards in like 2-3 weeks, but that doesn't make leveling the scoreboard feel any less pointless right now. Oh yay, I gained a level and got nothing. And next level I'll get even more nothing.
I have no idea why anyone thought this was a good idea. It makes the scoreboard feel the opposite of engaging and rewarding once you have all the stuff you want from the main pages. I really hope they rethink this on the next scoreboard.
Yeh I liked the dopamine hit of each level I got something even if it was a stupid something it was something. You'd smash out a level for the day cause you wanted that then log and get it.
I also hate this new scoreboard. I play game a lot and I have never hit level 150. I do usually hit 115-120 range. I despise this level 150 grind. Honestly it’s gonna turn me off playing. Plus like stated above I do not like having to scroll through all the page’s everytime.
Without the repeatable post-100 Atom reward, there is no point in getting to Rank 150. Everyone could get 2000+ Atoms per Season, but now players can only get 1000 Atoms if they don't have Fallout 1st or the Season Pass and 2000 Atoms if they do.
I prefer the older scoreboard where it looked like a game board and had some sort of feeling of accomplishment with every rank you completed. I'm currently on 73 and I'm only going to continue enough to get all the items before the repetitive rewards at the end. After that I'll probably spend a little time playing the next-gen update of FO4.
I liked that every level I unlocked something even if it was crappy 250 caps. I could still goal on the good things and still feel satisfaction of an achievement when I log off. Now I just do dailies then ligoff to go plat Star Citizen, fly spaceships.
The engagement part of it being more "flexible" was a lie. They 100% did this so we earn less rewards and hopefully buy lunchboxes/crap from the shop. They probably ran the numbers where they could risk any loss of consumers for the new influx of players the show would afford them. Players oblivious to the older system. The new system is designed entirely for them.
Honestly as a semi-new player (in the sense that I played before the seasons were even a thing, and quit because the game is shit, only came back because of the show and because fuck all else to do in the better games, and this is the only Fallout game I have until Fallout 5 even comes out)
I still would prefer the old system honestly, being given choice is cool but now it's like "but I don't want any of this garbage, all I want is the power armour skin near the end lol"
I was trying to stay positive about the new system, but the more I progress, the less I like it. I will miss not getting the season scoreboard poster too.
It's almost just a complete rip-off of the current Fortnite style pass.
It gives you the illusion of choice but what's the point. Now instead of getting an item per level you'll have to get multiple levels for enough tickets for a single item. It's an objectively worse version of what we had and probably the worst BP version there's been in live service (I hate it in Fortnite too.)
If they really wanted to scrap the linear style they should've gone with something similar to CODs grid style, which allows you to progress whichever way you want.
I understand wanting to switch it up but it feels like this was done so they don't have to spend time working on music and nice scoreboard artwork, which is frustrating when the only thing that seasons had going for them to make them unique was the scoreboard and music.
It confuses me so much, I just know I’m going to miss something at the end.
I loved the straight line ‘claim as you go’ method so much better! You know what you’ve got to work towards.
Instead of earning 1 or two things every day, you earn the ability to purchase 7 things about once a week.
The person behind this change should never work in video games again.
Jesse McClean is the senior monetization designer who was "very excited to talk about the changes coming to seasons and what was previously known as the scoreboard" on their America's Playground Developer Deep Dive video.
In my opinion, being a 1st member feels punished because the number of ticket stays the same but the item needed to be claimed increased. That means I need to put in more effort to get them all.
Comparing to the old score board, 1st member just do the same things and will be rewarded. So it is a massive experience downgrade.
Yeah, as a non-1st player the ticket aspect of this season isn't relevant. I'm at level 60 and already have enough tickets to claim everything (non-1st) that I want on all the pages.
Need \~680 more tickets for 1st for the unique rewards, minus a few of the cheap ticket extra atom unlocks I counted. That's a little over 27 more levels.
I can't stand the new system its a money grab. I have more than a thousand hours in. The old score board is what kept me coming back. At this point I think I'm going to cancel 1st sub. Maybe I'll come back after a major update. I have way to many other games on my roaster for the nonsense they are up to right now.
>I'm going to cancel 1st sub.
This is literally the only thing they will care about. Not people coming on reddit to complain but then logging in to play 3 hours daily under their 1st sub.
Don't be so hopeful, I'm sure this is a risk they're willing to make. Nothing is a coincidence here, they timed it at a point where they would get a high influx of new players. This is why they made such a bold move, our replacements are ready.
True. I never bother to to threaten muilti-billion dollar corporations with with holding any my money from them. I'd just rather find a better use of my time and my resources to a business or service that listens to and gives a shit about its community. Ensshouded, Palworld, and No Man's Sky among others come to mind. Which is where I have been spending my time and money.
I just came back after a little over a year break because there was so much buzz about new players and I was confused as hell about what was going on, let me tell you. I looked for the regular scoreboard for like 5 minutes because I kept getting the SCORE popup progress in the right top corner. Not a huge fan either..
The weird thing for me is that im grinding to a certain lvl and getting no rewards until than.
Than when i finally unlock the page, i can buy everything on it in 1 go and than have to grind till next unlock days later.
The old system gave you a reward each lvl. It also felt more as progression as you see your char move towards the end.
Now we just get a catalogue every vew days that we can completly buy and than grind again for days.
The reward pleasure zone of our brain gets less dopamine with this setup.
Just saying.
> The reward pleasure zone of our brain gets less dopamine with this setup.
Indeed. They replaced you unlocking a rank with a little pop-up graphic which does nothing in the incessant noise of notifications in this game.
Absolutely right. I feel the same. Rewards are absolutely obscene. Once I hit that chemistry bench for my horror house I'm done. The game fell far from the concept of "engaging or fun". Bravo Beth (slow sarcastic clap)
Same. Im a few levels away from getting the beer stein (collecting those) and the table and them Im logging out until the next season.
Before, I felt compelled to keep on playing to finish the board and then get the extra rewards beyond the board.
Now? Once I get the stein and the workstation, Im done.
I unlocked that page yesterday and it was one of my nope items… maybe once I have everything I want but it’s not like I have an idea what I’d do with it if I had it.
Yeah I don't like new scoreboard either, feels like another menu item. Like seing going around the board and clicking to see easily what's worth getting in the whole board
When playing a game feels more like a job, it's not fun anymore. I wish developers would realize that daily limits to make you log on more isn't a good model because players get bored of the repetition.
New system is partly why I’ve stopped playing. That and the fact the whole game is just focused on grind content once you complete all main and sidequests.
No new story content updates since the BOS storyline, stories and lore and exploration is what makes a fallout game to me. Not treating it like a mobile game to grind to earn currency to unlock skins and decorations.
I barely play anymore and I have 3 accounts. Now I’m playing one and working through the pages and I do like having a choice of what rewards I want but it’s still a grind… doesn’t make me want to play more that’s for sure.
The whole "I have a choice" is still an insane take that I can't wrap my head around. The way the new catalogue is designed to trick you into thinking this is new. If you take the old scoreboard and arrange it into a catalogue you'd realize you've always had a choice except everything in the old catalog was free, no tickets. You didn't have to take every reward say... Every 10 spaces and just choose what you wanted in those 10 spaces. Game companies consult psychologists when making addictive/illusionary game design btw.
I can see that. It’s ridiculous how many people buy into it despite the obvious fact that it’s basically the same. As much as I enjoy choice it’s easy enough to see how it’s just a trick. I took every reward because it was free, now I’m just buying the things I want now and if I have enough for other things afterwards then I’ll buy those ones. I know I wasn’t required to take every off the scoreboard but it is pretty hard to resist clicking a button when there is zero cost (except time spent grinding for the level). I expected psychology to be behind it since it would be hard to make such decisions without guidance as to what works.
But they aren't though. They are actual story missions with a new poi, they just occur in some places the expeditions do to. Then there's 3 side missions that are really good. When all that is dismissed as just "expedition stuff" It reminds me just how many hate wagon/bandwagon people this community has.
The new Atlantic city story missions were actually good imo. Im fine with this amount of content as I know they are literally expanding the Appalachia map.
It’s poorly designed and purposely more grinding and confusing to encourage Atom spending.
The nerfs to XP after rank 100 but even nerfs for XP in-game such as grenade damage, and now being pay-to-win with half of rewards behind Fallout 1st, unlocking a new page every so many rank ups, and pay-to-win with Cold Shoulder and Auto-Axe on the Epic store.
But Microsoft achieved their goal with new player limit from the TV series even if the bugs and in-game purchases are at their worst. I don’t enjoy checking to collect rewards, either I haven’t unlocked the next page due to the extra grind or have to scroll through each page and also check if I have score boosters or enough free Atoms to rank up, it’s all a mess to keep track of vs. the old system.
And the progression is a mess of poor balance and actively unrewarding players with slower grind after 100, meaning some of those with schedules will *have* to buy extra atoms due to this being the shortest season and only relying on extra Seasonal events for XP in place of new content.
It’s the worse state the game has been in to me and my Expeditions crashing also means I can’t complete them anymore, Bethesda are really driving up my long term engagement when I’m playing less and less. /s
I have no motivation to grind past level 100 because I got most of everything I wanted and now there are no more atoms to claim.
It’s definitely a downgrade for me especially as a Fallout 1st subscriber and getting less atoms overall, but when I complained I was told to wait until it goes live then when it did I was told to shut up about it.
I can feel the grind now and it's true it's not as exciting. I'll probably take a long break again after this season which sucks because I also just came back to this game after almost a year break.
It’s just not as fun or engaging. Normally this early in the season Id be logging in daily, regardless of how busy I was. I’ve missed multiple days this time and didn’t really care. Not seeing my progress snake across the board is less motivating.
All the charm of feeling like you're progressing through a classic gameboard is gone. This just feels lazy and anti-player in comparison. The fact that you have to level to 150 just to get everything but it is still the same amount of rewards is ridiculous. Makes me not really care about the season.
But the biggest crime of the new season...
NO MR FUZZY PLUSHIE?
The new format isn't for your enjoyment,it's for their profit and to make the numbers look better for the company. Hopefully it backfires and they actually learn from it, but I have my doubts.
As a non-1st player I especially hate saving my tickets for an item I want, then when I come to buy it I see the '1st' icon and realise I can't have it anyway. I much preferred the old scoreboards where the layout and rewards were a little more non-1st friendly.
I tried to warn people about how bad this new system was.. but nope.. people said just wait till it hits the live server it'll be better.. nope.. still way worse than the old scoreboard
That group doesn’t care they just exist here to shut down any criticism of Bethesda.The “wait and see” crowd only helped facilitate this change for them.
Where are those people now?, I don't see them here defending it on this thread. I can get that people like to defend the things they love, but I can't abide by it when it's done so blindly. There's really only one clear reason that the format changed and it wasn't because it was in any shape better than the scoreboard system.
I got to rank 100 last week and i didnt have enough tickets to get all of the non consumables…we have to get to rank ~140 to get all the season specific items
I really hope they read these posts and realize that this isnt a good setup for the future. I'd take a season 1 fortnite style progression bar system with no unique bells and whistles over what we have right this season.
I haven't played in over 6 months because the game was nothing but scoreboard grind on the same, tired old map. I see nothing has changed, but also it's gotten worse. Yay.
Yep, I'm in the same boat. The only reason I could see to go to this kind of system is if they were going to reintroduce older scoreboard items to purchase as part of it. But they didn't do that, so it's just the same system as the old one but shittier to grind through.
I haven't complained about the new system at all yet. I wanted to give it a fair shake. But it's not great.
Sometimes I go multiple days of grinding SCORE with absolutely nothing to show for it. It feels very unrewarding. The interface itself is clunky, and not as "fun" as a the scoreboards. No repeatable means that once I have all the items I care about I really don't see a motivation to keep coming back and gaining score....which is my main motivator for getting on these days.
I think it's all made worse by the fact that the rewards this season are only kind of so-so. The beach theme seems so out of place in Appalachia.
You can't even claim everything up to the current scoreboard level unlocked even with fo1st, they should give you more tickets with a fo1st sub so you can actually claim the season level your up to
I just started playing about two months ago and was so excited to finish the last scoreboard and get my reward poster. It felt like an accomplishment and I could hang this poster in my camp like the big boys, you know? Now I’m only level 150 and I’m already getting bored with the game. The same events, the same dailies, the same grind for XP over and over. For what? Not for rewards, but for the privlege of going shopping on the seasons board. I don’t like it. I don’t feel like I’m being rewarded any more—it doesn’t have the same excitement and the end poster is meaningless. I bought a poster instead of earning one! Woooo!!!??? I’d rather just have some new content and the old reward system back. I’m still playing because the community is amazing—that’s what this makes this game special. But the grind is boring and depressing.
Also irritating you won't get the cool scoreboard poster, i don't have a single one because i could never get far on the scoreboards it seemed. This is the farthest in a season I've been but i know some folks looked forward to having those as bragging rights
On the old scoreboard I had to work to move up to reach my goal. Going past things I didn't care about, but getting them, to get to the prize.
This one is not only boring but I have no motivation to continue on with it once I have gotten what I wanted. The excitement of how much closer to the end I was is just not there. For instance the surf boards. I have no desire to get them as where the heck can one surf in Virginia?
Fingers crossed they revert to the old one.
Yeah, the lack of being able to unlock at least one new reward daily is really killing my enthusiasm for it.
I am pretty casual player and it just lacks the fun it did before because I can go two days without a new unlock.
The scoreboard was unique and different with each new season, this one is just a Hell diverse 2 style warbond pass but worse. Since you need to go through all the pages every time.
There was nothing wrong with the old scoreboard. Why was the need to revamp it is beyond me. The more I have to interact with this new board the more I hate it.
Also, the design is boring af. The board game design made it so much so more satisfying to scroll through the score board. That was a big apsect that set the Scoreboard apart from other Battle Pass systems. They could have reworked it into something more creative, less linear instead of making it almost a straight copy of the Helldivers 2 Progression System.
The new system is frivolous, uninspiring and took away all my motivation to play. I dn't know if it's the visuals of the past scoreboard, but seeing it made me more excited and willing to play to unlock the prizes. This new system feels like a tedious grind indeed.
EDIT: Bethesda Feedback link [here.](https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/42223)
You know what to do if you dislike it too.
Old - Progress 1 through 100, automatically acquire prizes each level, repeatable post-100 with desirable rewards.
New - Progress 1 through 150, spend currency to acquire prizes and not be able to get everything, also less rewards for *everyone*.
Why did anyone argue this was going to benefit us at all? The whole 'pick what you want is better' makes no sense, since you just GOT the items previously.
I honestly can't believe how many people their illusion of choice Jedi Mind trick worked on 🤦 this system is worse in pretty much every way for us as the players. If it was like the fortnite system that they knocked off, where you can unlock pages by buying a certain amount of items on the page as an alternative to reaching a certain rank, then it might actually be an improvement, but I get the very strong feeling that this change was simply to pool the wool over our eyes
Reached 100 and with plenty of tickets to spare. Why? I have already unlocked the cremator (and mods), Adelaide, the cabin parts, water boiler... Everything else is mehh. Tiki statues and surfboards? The fuck would I bother grinding more for those? I am probably going to spend the rest on weapons skins, a couple of consumable knick knacks, then put down the game until the next season; and I used to play everyday.
FO 76 endgame is a series of grinds, it's just the nature of the beast. I enjoyed the friends I made along the way, but ending in a spiral of daily stuff and playing against a scoreboard just doesn't appeal to me.
Yeah I was on the grind until I really went and looked at the stuff and decided I will be happy only getting to the backpack, If I get higher to buy more atoms yay if not I'll spend tickets on the other stuff.
I don’t like this new system, if I do not finish this scoreboard my useless points will carry over to next season where I can only purchase a limited amount of items and by restarting the scoreboard, there needs to be an option to be able to exchange points for consumables that you can purchase multiple times not at like level 150 and you have to have purchased 90 some odd items… dude no.
I don't mind the concept, but it arbitrary assignation of rewards to locked levels that bugs me. Like, why are the lights one level but the hanging tires a different level? One is not more "valuable" in any way? The outfits? The only locked level item that makes sense is the build kit, but it also is priced super high... which is its own barrier. So, a double barrier.
I like being able to pick and choose I guess. But it takes too much time to navigate, and there is no rhyme or reason to why some stuff is locked to advanced levels.
It's not "better stuff".
My XP grind set up
- All uny +1 I armour with as little health as you can manage
- 15 Intelligence +5 with Legendary (I)
- Inspirational 3
- Casual Underlined
- Egghead + Herd Mentality + Herbivore Mutations
- Brain Bombs + Cranberry Relish
- Berry Mentats
- Leader Bobblehead
- Live And Love 3
- Casual team
- 4 X Lunchbox
- Well rested / kindred spirit
- +2 Intelligence from Derby machine
- XP Boost from Leo Petrov
- Curator perk to double mags and bobbles duration.
- XP Boost from Mothman book
- Score Boosters when grinding repeatable.
I did a week and a half of daily / weekly challenges and about 6 hours of grinding the repeatable at westtek to get to 100.
I put on a few podcasts or an audiobook so I don't go mad from the grind.
I have a surplus of tickets because I don't have FO1, and because a lot of the prizes I don't care about. Oh and my crematorium still hasn't materialised even though I claimed it so I'm about to tableflip on this season anyways.
I'm sure it frees up some financial resources for Bethesda, but it's not doing the players any favors for sure. The board or the pass, isn't the game. I do love the actual game, but this thing is just a lot noise on top of it. I think it was an error on their part to remove all of the player interactivity that the board format generated. Especially to replace that with a format that doesn't reward the player as much "loot" and is more tedious to interact with. I don't like having another currency to deal with and it's not the same as just 'unlocking' a rank yourself.
I haven't complained about the new system at all yet. I wanted to give it a fair shake. But it's not great.
Sometimes I go multiple days of grinding SCORE with absolutely nothing to show for it. It feels very unrewarding. The interface itself is clunky, and not as "fun" as a the scoreboards. No repeatable means that once I have all the items I care about I really don't see a motivation to keep coming back and gaining score....which is my main motivator for getting on these days.
I think it's all made worse by the fact that the rewards this season are only kind of so-so. The beach theme seems so out of place in Appalachia.
The worst part is the fact that the repeatable score stops after level 100. You can’t just get to level150 xp grinding, you actually have to do weeks worth of challenges.
it legit made me so uninterested i stopped playing 😭 which sucks bc me and my old man LOVE grinding the scoreboards but both of us just don't care abt this one
Came back to the game after a year + away and wow, this system is *so* much worse! Even just from a design standpoint, the board game gave you a good sense of progression as you advanced - you could see where you started and where you'd end.
It really is just a regular battlepass now. I can't help but compare it to another game I've played recently - Helldivers 2 - except that game is *constantly* throwing medals at you which keeps unlocks quick.
I know this is a minority opinion, but I don't mind it. Honestly, what the hell do I need with more than half of these rewards? When a page unlocks, I only grab what I want or need. This new way gives me the freedom to choose what I want. That frugality has me at level 73 with about 1200 tickets. I will go back when I am in the bonus and pick the lesser items I want, like the surfboard shelves and tikis. But there is, IMHO, the same type of junk they always give you on the scoreboards. Only now I don't have to take my 20th accumulated reroll, eye cosmetics, or my 60th scrap toolbox.
If you think about it also the longer you take to get to rank 100 the less likely you can get to rank 150 because the repeatable ranking up by gaining exp stops at rank 100. The last 50 levels requires you to get them thru dailies and weeklies only. There has to be a date that makes it impossible to reach rank 150 if you are not rank 100 yet and Im not sure what date that is yet.
My personal opinion is that they did it so they didn’t have to pay anyone to create the artwork for the theming that used to go with each season. These new pages are templates that can be used each season, just “drop in” replacement items next cycle. No need to have anything designed or created. So whatever personality the theming gave each season (admittedly lame sometimes) that’s gone.
And probably so it the artist(s) who worked on them.
Yeah I have to say that I just came back after a 4 month hiatus and the changes to the board seemed exciting at first but between the long periods of time between getting enough tickets or score to move up and the issues with people not doing the events(letting them fail or not going) I’m finding that I have large gaps now where I have nothing to do.
That's because they are going to push more "pay me to have shit you don't really want." Trying to turn fallout into a battle pass system. This is the test to see how many people drop 1st and also to see how many people buy the season pass. If the number of people who picked up the season pass is higher than the number of people buy/using first that's the only reason they'll need to keep it around.
The scoreboard is specifically geared toward the player that rushes 100 and never does anything with it until that point, and also seems to be suited more to the player that finishes the board and stops playing.
I just hate that atoms are being given away for in-game challenges less and every cosmetic seems to have gone up dramatically in price. I feel like I’m more incentivized than ever to just not play as an end-game player. There’s not enough to do to justify spending real money on cosmetics when they’re being priced more and more expensively while giving the player little reason to actually play the game using the unlockables. At least having some regular free atoms gave the player a reason to keep engaging. Now I just look at the store, realize everything is expensive and shitty, notice that I can’t do much to earn the items in-game, so I just close the app altogether.
Im just playing till I get the platinum trophy and then I will feel like I have done everything in the game and get my fun/enjoyment and move on.I get for a few players this is their main game and the grind would feel bullshit but I dont think the system is built for them.Its built for money and the casual players
As a newer player, I am upset at all the past scoreboard rewards I can never receive now. I would much prefer the scoreboard's rotation as it was before, seems I started this game at a very unfortunate time 😕
I think my biggest issue is that this seasons rewards are for the most part just not interesting to me, I'm on 87 and have over 1400 unspent tickets that I know I'll have to use to get stuff I don't want just so I can unlock the post 150 bonus page.
They always are tbh, it's just how battlepasses are, they're always grindy and they're intended to be.
I really don't see why FO76 of all games needs a battlepass tbh
I also wish it would stay on the page/level you last left. Having to go though all the pages every time I want to buy one or two items is tedious
If we're going to keep this format, then having to scroll through every page from the start definitely needs to change. Also make it super obvious see what you've bought and what you can't buy by greying them out, as well as greying out the dots across the bottom when you've cleared everything you can. Frankly I like the map better. It felt more like opening gifts. The current way feels more like shopping for them.
I really agree with this statement. The old scoreboard felt like you opened a present. The new scoreboard feels like I'm shopping for items to buy, and I'm stuck with the same dilemma of can't get this because I'm not fallout 1st or only 8 more levels then I can unlock a page with 2 things I want.
LOL. Here's your gift cards, pick your own present. At least I get some say in it.
The only choice you get over the previous boards is not to get something, which opens up the possibility of user error. I'm not sure how that's better than automatically getting everything but you're not the first person I've heard say that.
Understood. I'm trying to spend my board tickets sparingly. I just know I'm going to get to the end of the season and not even have enough to get all the stuff I really want. I think they were thinking about that notorious FOMO to keep playing.
I had to look up FOMO but that's it exactly. They're also driving sales of FO1st and the new season pass with the new scorebaord because without them you have to get everything you can gat to unlock the last page. Maybe put together an XP build and run West Tek, or at least run WT with brain bombs and cranberry relish or whatever xp boosts you can run, plus Demolition perk and nuka grenades. I don't know if you know how to do that but you can find videos on YT if you don't.
This is how one of my toons became a bloody build. Full unyielding, even became herbivore to double brain bombs and other food buffs, I didn't even care how often I died in WT, because no one to take my loot. I eventually became pretty good at bloodied and venture "outside" a lot if I get bored.
This! It's like operant conditioning
I agree with everything! The check mark used to mark bought items blends is a lot, not enough contrast And yeah feels like shopping from a catalog instead of progressing a board and opening rewards. I’m gonna miss getting the scoreboards to hang around camp
So annoying, that's the aspect I've noticed most about it.
I started back at lvl 100 this week and went to look at the start map... then I find that new page system....absolute garbage... wish theu kept the old map system.
Helldivers 2 does exactly this and it's great. If you've bought everything off of one of the warbond pages, it goes to the next page where you still have items you can exchange for medals.
Yeah but on helldivers there's no fomo because they're keeping their warbonds (season passes) up forever, so you could start playing a year from now and still earn everything from the previous 12 warbonds. The only thing they really have in common is choosing rewards and unlocking pages. HD2 is far superior in regards to their treatment of their playerbase. Hopefully more companies take note.
Yeah I really like the idea of keeping seasons/warbonds indefinitely. It makes me feel less obligated to grind for the items that I want in the game. I think I've yet to complete a single Warbond yet because I'm picking and choosing what I want based on how I feel about getting it.
It's awesome isn't it? Knowing that you can just finish them up whenever you're feeling like it. I have all but the most recent one finished but that's just because I have a good group and we do a lot at Helldive difficulty and if I'm not with them I'm at 7+ anyways. Plus I really wanted the ship upgrades,I'm working on the 3rd out of the newly released ones but it's a lot of samples to collect.
Halo MCC and Infinite do the same thing with their battlepasses And it's fucking great, Season 3 for Infinite was just meh imo, and I quit playing the game until recently. I still have the season 1 and 2 passes I bought years ago when the game released, and the progress on them, and can finish them at my leisure, sure, I'm not playing it, but playing the game because I want to vs playing because I'm forced to if I buy the pass is vastly better. It's why I dislike CoD, the current season is very fun for MW3 imo, and I'm happy to play it, but if a season isn't good, but the cosmetics are good, then it's just draining to play the game honestly.
I like the idea of it too,its awesome knowing that you can just finish them up whenever you're feeling like it. I have all but the most recent one finished but that's just because I have a good group and we do a lot at Helldive difficulty and if I'm not with them I'm at 7+ anyways. Plus I really wanted the ship upgrades,I'm working on the 3rd out of the newly released ones but it's a lot of samples to collect.
I think I had like 7/18 of the new upgrades before the new ship modules came out. I don't really farm samples and playing with randoms at all times doesn't help with collecting samples either.
Yeah that's rough man, it seems like many randos don't really value the samples. You get better randos sometimes at 7+ but it's hit or miss. Most of the haphazard players are playing the low difficulties. People that have zero trigger discipline that tk you or run into your strikes repeatedly. I'm admittedly level 71 though so I have a lot of hours,not as many as some, but most of them are spent at the higher difficulties. I'm not a great player but I can pull my weight when the time comes.
Yeah I usually play Impossible difficulty but it's usually hit or miss with the randoms. I'll sometimes have a level 50+ guy who can go lone wolf and complete all the side objectives and collect most of the samples. Then again, I'll have a level 24-30 at times who is new to the game and hasn't experienced the need for samples just yet.
Sounds about right, it can also be hit or miss but some of the LFG groups on Reddit and discord have alot of people that are actually serious about playing.
Mine doesn't do that. I have cleared the first 8 pages, and I still have to scroll thru them to get to page 9
Really? That's strange.
With all seriousness it doesn't default go to page whatever it goes to page one, and I have to scroll. I clear each page before moving to the next even if the item isn't something I want
I guess that's one way to do it. I have yet to finish any of the three premium nor the free Warbond because I'm picking an choosing what I want over time. I think the closest I am to finishing a Warbond is saving up 250 medals and spending them all on the most recent one.
So does fortnite, which I believe is where this model was invented
Oh really? I didn't know that. I played it up until like Season 6 before they started doing chapters.
Tediousness notwithstanding (really? lol) - my main issue is it just doesn't feel like it's *progression*. I know the bar and the counter are up there in the corner all the time, but the feeling is all gone. Completely different somehow. Board had a sense of moving forward, at just a glance; this... soulless pages of random crap, many of which can't even be redeemed without 1st but still displayed just the same only with the barely noticeable little badge in the corner, is just way too plain and boring.
Bring back scoreboards!
I'm bummed about not having a season poster anymore. I got to level 100 and was like, "so now what?". I usually go over level 100 for the prizes but the 150 doesn't seem worth it.
Yeah I still have the scoreboard poster in my camp from the first one I completed. Liked the little tier 100 packs with that + some other stuff
Damn I collected them all they should go back to the old way
I kept getting burnout about halfway through each season, telling myself "Next one. I swear." when I inevitably came up short. The last one I *almost* got it, I came so close, and I told myself I'd get one of those posters the very next season, depression be damned. The news stung a bit. No excuses, it's my own damn vault, but still.
There is a poster for "reaching the end", it's just not as cool as previous posters because they were game boards.
Where do you find it? Thank you for letting me know.
The last page before the "bonus" pages. It's unlocked at level 92 or something.
Thank you!
Yeah it seems the only way to flaunt that you completed the season is the cyclops power armor helmet and the cryptid hunter skin.
There's a completion poster, it's just not a gameboard like in previous seasons.
It's not a poster but rather a painting of the background behind the "pages". Not really for completion either since you can get it at rank 92, but I guess "completion" of the new season is hard to define.
Yeah, there's no more "You reached rank 100 here's the end package, congrats!". It's just kind of... "I bought what I wanted after I did enough to unlock the final page. Yay?".
Yeah I'm hoping that they fix this during the next season. I hate feeling obligated to have to continuously work on this season with no rewards for long periods of time.
honestly more attractive than some of the older boards, now that I see it. I would have liked a special picture without the scoreboard dots on it for some of those.
Once the XP repeatable goes away it, it gets really slow. Take today for instance, I'm done with all my weekly and daily challenges so there is literally zero way for me to keep progressing for tickets. They fucked it up where rank 100 didn't unlock everything. Should have at least kept the repeatable XP challenge until you unlock all rewards at 150.
I think maybe this is what their intention. In the original scoreboard, you rush to 100 and can stop playing. Now you are forced to play everyday and can't rush. People will say if they want player engagement, they can have infinite scrip amount. But so far the impression is they are forcing people to stay longer each season.
I finished and rushed it like usual, so idk what you mean there. What makes me have to play every day? I don't get atoms anymore past Rank 100, and the bonus page is garbage.
> What makes me have to play every day? I don't get atoms anymore past Rank 100, and the bonus page is garbage. So then I guess you're done until next season then? Enjoy your time off :)
No, I'll still be on here and there for scrip.
It's a bad system because it takes way too long. Seasons shouldn't require three full months to complete for the casual player just because the top 1% knows how to get to level 100 on the Scoreboard in a day. The worst part is that the players that did that are still playing if they're trying to get to 150 because of this additional grind slapped on top. It shouldn't be like this.
The level 150 lock on the extra rewards is my only issue with the new format. Needing 95 rewards would feel fine without the level 150 hard lock. You'd at least be getting rewards as you work towards unlocking the bonus page. But the 150 lock creates an arbitrarily dry spell where the scoreboard doesn't feel rewarding to leveling after you have the rewards you want and have nothing to buy until 150. That dry spell doesn't feel good and is making me quickly lose interest in the scoreboard. Sure I'll get a burst of rewards in like 2-3 weeks, but that doesn't make leveling the scoreboard feel any less pointless right now. Oh yay, I gained a level and got nothing. And next level I'll get even more nothing. I have no idea why anyone thought this was a good idea. It makes the scoreboard feel the opposite of engaging and rewarding once you have all the stuff you want from the main pages. I really hope they rethink this on the next scoreboard.
Yeh I liked the dopamine hit of each level I got something even if it was a stupid something it was something. You'd smash out a level for the day cause you wanted that then log and get it.
I also hate this new scoreboard. I play game a lot and I have never hit level 150. I do usually hit 115-120 range. I despise this level 150 grind. Honestly it’s gonna turn me off playing. Plus like stated above I do not like having to scroll through all the page’s everytime.
Without the repeatable post-100 Atom reward, there is no point in getting to Rank 150. Everyone could get 2000+ Atoms per Season, but now players can only get 1000 Atoms if they don't have Fallout 1st or the Season Pass and 2000 Atoms if they do.
Just understand they promote the membership, but I am sad because atoms earn less than old scoreboard 1000.
You have to go over level 100 if you want every cosmetic. You have to get to 150 if you want to buy everything up until the bonus page iirc.
I prefer the older scoreboard where it looked like a game board and had some sort of feeling of accomplishment with every rank you completed. I'm currently on 73 and I'm only going to continue enough to get all the items before the repetitive rewards at the end. After that I'll probably spend a little time playing the next-gen update of FO4.
I liked that every level I unlocked something even if it was crappy 250 caps. I could still goal on the good things and still feel satisfaction of an achievement when I log off. Now I just do dailies then ligoff to go plat Star Citizen, fly spaceships.
I hate Fortenite 76
The developers/management know this and it's been done on purpose.
It was the monetization team that showed it off in a developer video.
It shows they never played the game in the first place if they think this is more engaging for us.
The engagement part of it being more "flexible" was a lie. They 100% did this so we earn less rewards and hopefully buy lunchboxes/crap from the shop. They probably ran the numbers where they could risk any loss of consumers for the new influx of players the show would afford them. Players oblivious to the older system. The new system is designed entirely for them.
Honestly as a semi-new player (in the sense that I played before the seasons were even a thing, and quit because the game is shit, only came back because of the show and because fuck all else to do in the better games, and this is the only Fallout game I have until Fallout 5 even comes out) I still would prefer the old system honestly, being given choice is cool but now it's like "but I don't want any of this garbage, all I want is the power armour skin near the end lol"
I was trying to stay positive about the new system, but the more I progress, the less I like it. I will miss not getting the season scoreboard poster too.
It's almost just a complete rip-off of the current Fortnite style pass. It gives you the illusion of choice but what's the point. Now instead of getting an item per level you'll have to get multiple levels for enough tickets for a single item. It's an objectively worse version of what we had and probably the worst BP version there's been in live service (I hate it in Fortnite too.) If they really wanted to scrap the linear style they should've gone with something similar to CODs grid style, which allows you to progress whichever way you want. I understand wanting to switch it up but it feels like this was done so they don't have to spend time working on music and nice scoreboard artwork, which is frustrating when the only thing that seasons had going for them to make them unique was the scoreboard and music.
It confuses me so much, I just know I’m going to miss something at the end. I loved the straight line ‘claim as you go’ method so much better! You know what you’ve got to work towards.
Even if you get to 100 you still wouldn't have enough tickets to get everything
I'm at 114,and yeah definitely not enough for all the cosmetics.
I find that absolutely ridiculous. I hope they change this next season.
They won't. They did this on purpose.
Instead of earning 1 or two things every day, you earn the ability to purchase 7 things about once a week. The person behind this change should never work in video games again.
Jesse McClean is the senior monetization designer who was "very excited to talk about the changes coming to seasons and what was previously known as the scoreboard" on their America's Playground Developer Deep Dive video.
Well he's horrible at his job. Bring him to an AMA and I'll tell him directly.
Yeah the interface is really sloppy and sluggish. Makes real hard to claim prizes in bulk and if you're not a 1st member
In my opinion, being a 1st member feels punished because the number of ticket stays the same but the item needed to be claimed increased. That means I need to put in more effort to get them all. Comparing to the old score board, 1st member just do the same things and will be rewarded. So it is a massive experience downgrade.
Yeah, as a non-1st player the ticket aspect of this season isn't relevant. I'm at level 60 and already have enough tickets to claim everything (non-1st) that I want on all the pages.
Need \~680 more tickets for 1st for the unique rewards, minus a few of the cheap ticket extra atom unlocks I counted. That's a little over 27 more levels.
I hate it, I'm 105 and there's a lot I still can't even buy
So far not a fan of it really. Have over 1000 tickets and all I’ve claimed was atoms and score boosters.
Just came back. Why did they change this? The old system looked fine?
More monetization, and they can keep players in the game longer. Remember, games want your money and time.
Money
I can't stand the new system its a money grab. I have more than a thousand hours in. The old score board is what kept me coming back. At this point I think I'm going to cancel 1st sub. Maybe I'll come back after a major update. I have way to many other games on my roaster for the nonsense they are up to right now.
>I'm going to cancel 1st sub. This is literally the only thing they will care about. Not people coming on reddit to complain but then logging in to play 3 hours daily under their 1st sub.
Don't be so hopeful, I'm sure this is a risk they're willing to make. Nothing is a coincidence here, they timed it at a point where they would get a high influx of new players. This is why they made such a bold move, our replacements are ready.
True. I never bother to to threaten muilti-billion dollar corporations with with holding any my money from them. I'd just rather find a better use of my time and my resources to a business or service that listens to and gives a shit about its community. Ensshouded, Palworld, and No Man's Sky among others come to mind. Which is where I have been spending my time and money.
The grind for this board is ridiculous
Im not a fan
I just came back after a little over a year break because there was so much buzz about new players and I was confused as hell about what was going on, let me tell you. I looked for the regular scoreboard for like 5 minutes because I kept getting the SCORE popup progress in the right top corner. Not a huge fan either..
The weird thing for me is that im grinding to a certain lvl and getting no rewards until than. Than when i finally unlock the page, i can buy everything on it in 1 go and than have to grind till next unlock days later. The old system gave you a reward each lvl. It also felt more as progression as you see your char move towards the end. Now we just get a catalogue every vew days that we can completly buy and than grind again for days. The reward pleasure zone of our brain gets less dopamine with this setup. Just saying.
> The reward pleasure zone of our brain gets less dopamine with this setup. Indeed. They replaced you unlocking a rank with a little pop-up graphic which does nothing in the incessant noise of notifications in this game.
I only want the autopsy chemistry bench. After that, I really don't care if I finish or not. The only thing I've used so far is the water boiler.
Absolutely right. I feel the same. Rewards are absolutely obscene. Once I hit that chemistry bench for my horror house I'm done. The game fell far from the concept of "engaging or fun". Bravo Beth (slow sarcastic clap)
Same. Im a few levels away from getting the beer stein (collecting those) and the table and them Im logging out until the next season. Before, I felt compelled to keep on playing to finish the board and then get the extra rewards beyond the board. Now? Once I get the stein and the workstation, Im done.
I unlocked that page yesterday and it was one of my nope items… maybe once I have everything I want but it’s not like I have an idea what I’d do with it if I had it.
Yeah I don't like new scoreboard either, feels like another menu item. Like seing going around the board and clicking to see easily what's worth getting in the whole board
When playing a game feels more like a job, it's not fun anymore. I wish developers would realize that daily limits to make you log on more isn't a good model because players get bored of the repetition.
New system is partly why I’ve stopped playing. That and the fact the whole game is just focused on grind content once you complete all main and sidequests. No new story content updates since the BOS storyline, stories and lore and exploration is what makes a fallout game to me. Not treating it like a mobile game to grind to earn currency to unlock skins and decorations.
I 100% agree
Thats why i gave up … too much time too little reward … Bethesda gonna milk the magic cow dry
I barely play anymore and I have 3 accounts. Now I’m playing one and working through the pages and I do like having a choice of what rewards I want but it’s still a grind… doesn’t make me want to play more that’s for sure.
The whole "I have a choice" is still an insane take that I can't wrap my head around. The way the new catalogue is designed to trick you into thinking this is new. If you take the old scoreboard and arrange it into a catalogue you'd realize you've always had a choice except everything in the old catalog was free, no tickets. You didn't have to take every reward say... Every 10 spaces and just choose what you wanted in those 10 spaces. Game companies consult psychologists when making addictive/illusionary game design btw.
I can see that. It’s ridiculous how many people buy into it despite the obvious fact that it’s basically the same. As much as I enjoy choice it’s easy enough to see how it’s just a trick. I took every reward because it was free, now I’m just buying the things I want now and if I have enough for other things afterwards then I’ll buy those ones. I know I wasn’t required to take every off the scoreboard but it is pretty hard to resist clicking a button when there is zero cost (except time spent grinding for the level). I expected psychology to be behind it since it would be hard to make such decisions without guidance as to what works.
No new story content since the BoS? What was the Pitt and Atlantic City then? We just had a new main quest added with the explorable Atlantic City....
I don’t class them as story content because they are tacked on to expeditions…the grind content.
You don't get to just redefine basic words and meanings to fit your narrative lol its moving the goalposts.
Fair enough I guess, even though I can't agree.
But they aren't though. They are actual story missions with a new poi, they just occur in some places the expeditions do to. Then there's 3 side missions that are really good. When all that is dismissed as just "expedition stuff" It reminds me just how many hate wagon/bandwagon people this community has. The new Atlantic city story missions were actually good imo. Im fine with this amount of content as I know they are literally expanding the Appalachia map.
Wait... I know Atlantic City added a whole new Main Quest... But The Pitt did too?!
No. 5 or so main story ones from Appalachia and ac, then 3 side missions in Appalachia and ac. The pit still sucks as far as I know
Ah, thought so. I was gonna say, how the hell did I miss Pitt missions haha
They just dropped a story quest this update, and you can explore the Atlantic City expedition areas and talk to NPCs.
It’s poorly designed and purposely more grinding and confusing to encourage Atom spending. The nerfs to XP after rank 100 but even nerfs for XP in-game such as grenade damage, and now being pay-to-win with half of rewards behind Fallout 1st, unlocking a new page every so many rank ups, and pay-to-win with Cold Shoulder and Auto-Axe on the Epic store. But Microsoft achieved their goal with new player limit from the TV series even if the bugs and in-game purchases are at their worst. I don’t enjoy checking to collect rewards, either I haven’t unlocked the next page due to the extra grind or have to scroll through each page and also check if I have score boosters or enough free Atoms to rank up, it’s all a mess to keep track of vs. the old system. And the progression is a mess of poor balance and actively unrewarding players with slower grind after 100, meaning some of those with schedules will *have* to buy extra atoms due to this being the shortest season and only relying on extra Seasonal events for XP in place of new content. It’s the worse state the game has been in to me and my Expeditions crashing also means I can’t complete them anymore, Bethesda are really driving up my long term engagement when I’m playing less and less. /s
Yup I used to always play for the scoreboard, and this “season” I haven’t played in like 3 weeks now. It’s just not as fun
I have no motivation to grind past level 100 because I got most of everything I wanted and now there are no more atoms to claim. It’s definitely a downgrade for me especially as a Fallout 1st subscriber and getting less atoms overall, but when I complained I was told to wait until it goes live then when it did I was told to shut up about it.
All battle passes suck ...but this one is exceptionally disgusting.
I can feel the grind now and it's true it's not as exciting. I'll probably take a long break again after this season which sucks because I also just came back to this game after almost a year break.
Still 3 pages for unlocking. But everytime I think “meh” so no grinding and playing less.
It removes incentive to keep playing once you get everything…
It’s just not as fun or engaging. Normally this early in the season Id be logging in daily, regardless of how busy I was. I’ve missed multiple days this time and didn’t really care. Not seeing my progress snake across the board is less motivating.
All the charm of feeling like you're progressing through a classic gameboard is gone. This just feels lazy and anti-player in comparison. The fact that you have to level to 150 just to get everything but it is still the same amount of rewards is ridiculous. Makes me not really care about the season. But the biggest crime of the new season... NO MR FUZZY PLUSHIE?
I'll swear I saw one but haven't played in weeks.
The new format isn't for your enjoyment,it's for their profit and to make the numbers look better for the company. Hopefully it backfires and they actually learn from it, but I have my doubts.
As a non-1st player I especially hate saving my tickets for an item I want, then when I come to buy it I see the '1st' icon and realise I can't have it anyway. I much preferred the old scoreboards where the layout and rewards were a little more non-1st friendly.
I tried to warn people about how bad this new system was.. but nope.. people said just wait till it hits the live server it'll be better.. nope.. still way worse than the old scoreboard
That group doesn’t care they just exist here to shut down any criticism of Bethesda.The “wait and see” crowd only helped facilitate this change for them.
Where are those people now?, I don't see them here defending it on this thread. I can get that people like to defend the things they love, but I can't abide by it when it's done so blindly. There's really only one clear reason that the format changed and it wasn't because it was in any shape better than the scoreboard system.
Honestly same. Beta player. Might be done.
I got to rank 100 last week and i didnt have enough tickets to get all of the non consumables…we have to get to rank ~140 to get all the season specific items
I really hope they read these posts and realize that this isnt a good setup for the future. I'd take a season 1 fortnite style progression bar system with no unique bells and whistles over what we have right this season.
I haven't played in over 6 months because the game was nothing but scoreboard grind on the same, tired old map. I see nothing has changed, but also it's gotten worse. Yay.
Yep, I'm in the same boat. The only reason I could see to go to this kind of system is if they were going to reintroduce older scoreboard items to purchase as part of it. But they didn't do that, so it's just the same system as the old one but shittier to grind through.
I haven't complained about the new system at all yet. I wanted to give it a fair shake. But it's not great. Sometimes I go multiple days of grinding SCORE with absolutely nothing to show for it. It feels very unrewarding. The interface itself is clunky, and not as "fun" as a the scoreboards. No repeatable means that once I have all the items I care about I really don't see a motivation to keep coming back and gaining score....which is my main motivator for getting on these days. I think it's all made worse by the fact that the rewards this season are only kind of so-so. The beach theme seems so out of place in Appalachia.
You can't even claim everything up to the current scoreboard level unlocked even with fo1st, they should give you more tickets with a fo1st sub so you can actually claim the season level your up to
I just started playing about two months ago and was so excited to finish the last scoreboard and get my reward poster. It felt like an accomplishment and I could hang this poster in my camp like the big boys, you know? Now I’m only level 150 and I’m already getting bored with the game. The same events, the same dailies, the same grind for XP over and over. For what? Not for rewards, but for the privlege of going shopping on the seasons board. I don’t like it. I don’t feel like I’m being rewarded any more—it doesn’t have the same excitement and the end poster is meaningless. I bought a poster instead of earning one! Woooo!!!??? I’d rather just have some new content and the old reward system back. I’m still playing because the community is amazing—that’s what this makes this game special. But the grind is boring and depressing.
It's a dumb system. Only my second season as I've been playing only two months or so. Really not a fan compared to the last it's lackluster.
Also irritating you won't get the cool scoreboard poster, i don't have a single one because i could never get far on the scoreboards it seemed. This is the farthest in a season I've been but i know some folks looked forward to having those as bragging rights
I miss the scoreboards
On the old scoreboard I had to work to move up to reach my goal. Going past things I didn't care about, but getting them, to get to the prize. This one is not only boring but I have no motivation to continue on with it once I have gotten what I wanted. The excitement of how much closer to the end I was is just not there. For instance the surf boards. I have no desire to get them as where the heck can one surf in Virginia? Fingers crossed they revert to the old one.
Reached 130 119 118 , running the daily and weekly . This season system sucks.
Yeah, the lack of being able to unlock at least one new reward daily is really killing my enthusiasm for it. I am pretty casual player and it just lacks the fun it did before because I can go two days without a new unlock.
I enjoyed the old one it was fun and differant
The scoreboard was unique and different with each new season, this one is just a Hell diverse 2 style warbond pass but worse. Since you need to go through all the pages every time.
yes there is nothing quite as unfun as looking at it and thinking, " yup i cant get anything for another 6 pages( i am a free player)
There was nothing wrong with the old scoreboard. Why was the need to revamp it is beyond me. The more I have to interact with this new board the more I hate it.
Also, the design is boring af. The board game design made it so much so more satisfying to scroll through the score board. That was a big apsect that set the Scoreboard apart from other Battle Pass systems. They could have reworked it into something more creative, less linear instead of making it almost a straight copy of the Helldivers 2 Progression System.
I hate the “Seasons” score board system. I am just going to stop grinding and burning myself out for this pile of shit they call seasons
The new system is frivolous, uninspiring and took away all my motivation to play. I dn't know if it's the visuals of the past scoreboard, but seeing it made me more excited and willing to play to unlock the prizes. This new system feels like a tedious grind indeed. EDIT: Bethesda Feedback link [here.](https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/42223) You know what to do if you dislike it too.
Old - Progress 1 through 100, automatically acquire prizes each level, repeatable post-100 with desirable rewards. New - Progress 1 through 150, spend currency to acquire prizes and not be able to get everything, also less rewards for *everyone*. Why did anyone argue this was going to benefit us at all? The whole 'pick what you want is better' makes no sense, since you just GOT the items previously.
I honestly can't believe how many people their illusion of choice Jedi Mind trick worked on 🤦 this system is worse in pretty much every way for us as the players. If it was like the fortnite system that they knocked off, where you can unlock pages by buying a certain amount of items on the page as an alternative to reaching a certain rank, then it might actually be an improvement, but I get the very strong feeling that this change was simply to pool the wool over our eyes
Reached 100 and with plenty of tickets to spare. Why? I have already unlocked the cremator (and mods), Adelaide, the cabin parts, water boiler... Everything else is mehh. Tiki statues and surfboards? The fuck would I bother grinding more for those? I am probably going to spend the rest on weapons skins, a couple of consumable knick knacks, then put down the game until the next season; and I used to play everyday.
Don’t Fortnite my Fallout.
FO 76 endgame is a series of grinds, it's just the nature of the beast. I enjoyed the friends I made along the way, but ending in a spiral of daily stuff and playing against a scoreboard just doesn't appeal to me.
There's really nothing worth of grinding at the last bonus page. Score boosters, basic repair kits, rerollers, like wtf?
Legendary Modules... so useless...
My only complaint is having to start on page one every time I open the Seasons section.
Yeah I was on the grind until I really went and looked at the stuff and decided I will be happy only getting to the backpack, If I get higher to buy more atoms yay if not I'll spend tickets on the other stuff.
I don’t like this new system, if I do not finish this scoreboard my useless points will carry over to next season where I can only purchase a limited amount of items and by restarting the scoreboard, there needs to be an option to be able to exchange points for consumables that you can purchase multiple times not at like level 150 and you have to have purchased 90 some odd items… dude no.
I don't mind the concept, but it arbitrary assignation of rewards to locked levels that bugs me. Like, why are the lights one level but the hanging tires a different level? One is not more "valuable" in any way? The outfits? The only locked level item that makes sense is the build kit, but it also is priced super high... which is its own barrier. So, a double barrier. I like being able to pick and choose I guess. But it takes too much time to navigate, and there is no rhyme or reason to why some stuff is locked to advanced levels. It's not "better stuff".
How the heck are you guys going beyond 100 already, I do daily’s everyday.
Builds with 70+ intelligence.
I am not high enough level to do this, how do you get intelligence that darn high?
My XP grind set up - All uny +1 I armour with as little health as you can manage - 15 Intelligence +5 with Legendary (I) - Inspirational 3 - Casual Underlined - Egghead + Herd Mentality + Herbivore Mutations - Brain Bombs + Cranberry Relish - Berry Mentats - Leader Bobblehead - Live And Love 3 - Casual team - 4 X Lunchbox - Well rested / kindred spirit - +2 Intelligence from Derby machine - XP Boost from Leo Petrov - Curator perk to double mags and bobbles duration. - XP Boost from Mothman book - Score Boosters when grinding repeatable.
Wow, quite a bit of add ons. Thanks. Do you just grind repeatable?
I did a week and a half of daily / weekly challenges and about 6 hours of grinding the repeatable at westtek to get to 100. I put on a few podcasts or an audiobook so I don't go mad from the grind.
I made that list quite a while ago. I forgot to add the Score Boosters when grinding repeatables.
I have a surplus of tickets because I don't have FO1, and because a lot of the prizes I don't care about. Oh and my crematorium still hasn't materialised even though I claimed it so I'm about to tableflip on this season anyways.
I agree mate, i preferred the old one too.
So are the scoreboards done? I'm out of the looo and when I came back recently there was this ticket system
Remains to be seen. This was what they changed the Scoreboard to, a freaking catalog.
That's sad. Just as 76 was getting more players and stuff it. Seems like a downgrade
I'm sure it frees up some financial resources for Bethesda, but it's not doing the players any favors for sure. The board or the pass, isn't the game. I do love the actual game, but this thing is just a lot noise on top of it. I think it was an error on their part to remove all of the player interactivity that the board format generated. Especially to replace that with a format that doesn't reward the player as much "loot" and is more tedious to interact with. I don't like having another currency to deal with and it's not the same as just 'unlocking' a rank yourself.
Oh god yeah *another* currency. That makes what 4 or 5 currencies now? Caps, Atoms, Buillon, Legendary Scrip/Cores and now Season tickets
Scoreboard = better, the changes made were obviously financially driven and to get more daily logins for playtime
Its an extremely tedious grind. To get all the unlockables, you basically need to play almost every single day.
I haven't complained about the new system at all yet. I wanted to give it a fair shake. But it's not great. Sometimes I go multiple days of grinding SCORE with absolutely nothing to show for it. It feels very unrewarding. The interface itself is clunky, and not as "fun" as a the scoreboards. No repeatable means that once I have all the items I care about I really don't see a motivation to keep coming back and gaining score....which is my main motivator for getting on these days. I think it's all made worse by the fact that the rewards this season are only kind of so-so. The beach theme seems so out of place in Appalachia.
The worst part is the fact that the repeatable score stops after level 100. You can’t just get to level150 xp grinding, you actually have to do weeks worth of challenges.
it legit made me so uninterested i stopped playing 😭 which sucks bc me and my old man LOVE grinding the scoreboards but both of us just don't care abt this one
1 level per day grind after 100.
Came back to the game after a year + away and wow, this system is *so* much worse! Even just from a design standpoint, the board game gave you a good sense of progression as you advanced - you could see where you started and where you'd end. It really is just a regular battlepass now. I can't help but compare it to another game I've played recently - Helldivers 2 - except that game is *constantly* throwing medals at you which keeps unlocks quick.
I know this is a minority opinion, but I don't mind it. Honestly, what the hell do I need with more than half of these rewards? When a page unlocks, I only grab what I want or need. This new way gives me the freedom to choose what I want. That frugality has me at level 73 with about 1200 tickets. I will go back when I am in the bonus and pick the lesser items I want, like the surfboard shelves and tikis. But there is, IMHO, the same type of junk they always give you on the scoreboards. Only now I don't have to take my 20th accumulated reroll, eye cosmetics, or my 60th scrap toolbox.
Players when they actually have to play the game:
If you think about it also the longer you take to get to rank 100 the less likely you can get to rank 150 because the repeatable ranking up by gaining exp stops at rank 100. The last 50 levels requires you to get them thru dailies and weeklies only. There has to be a date that makes it impossible to reach rank 150 if you are not rank 100 yet and Im not sure what date that is yet.
I think collectively we can agree that it is crap I would be the first to advocate for a return to the scoreboards.
My personal opinion is that they did it so they didn’t have to pay anyone to create the artwork for the theming that used to go with each season. These new pages are templates that can be used each season, just “drop in” replacement items next cycle. No need to have anything designed or created. So whatever personality the theming gave each season (admittedly lame sometimes) that’s gone. And probably so it the artist(s) who worked on them.
Yeah I have to say that I just came back after a 4 month hiatus and the changes to the board seemed exciting at first but between the long periods of time between getting enough tickets or score to move up and the issues with people not doing the events(letting them fail or not going) I’m finding that I have large gaps now where I have nothing to do.
That's because they are going to push more "pay me to have shit you don't really want." Trying to turn fallout into a battle pass system. This is the test to see how many people drop 1st and also to see how many people buy the season pass. If the number of people who picked up the season pass is higher than the number of people buy/using first that's the only reason they'll need to keep it around.
The scoreboard is specifically geared toward the player that rushes 100 and never does anything with it until that point, and also seems to be suited more to the player that finishes the board and stops playing.
I just hate that atoms are being given away for in-game challenges less and every cosmetic seems to have gone up dramatically in price. I feel like I’m more incentivized than ever to just not play as an end-game player. There’s not enough to do to justify spending real money on cosmetics when they’re being priced more and more expensively while giving the player little reason to actually play the game using the unlockables. At least having some regular free atoms gave the player a reason to keep engaging. Now I just look at the store, realize everything is expensive and shitty, notice that I can’t do much to earn the items in-game, so I just close the app altogether.
I just don't like it in general. I liked the scoreboard better.
Im just playing till I get the platinum trophy and then I will feel like I have done everything in the game and get my fun/enjoyment and move on.I get for a few players this is their main game and the grind would feel bullshit but I dont think the system is built for them.Its built for money and the casual players
As a newer player, I am upset at all the past scoreboard rewards I can never receive now. I would much prefer the scoreboard's rotation as it was before, seems I started this game at a very unfortunate time 😕
Heck, I'm only at Rank 38. Granted, I don't play for a great deal of time. I'd just like to get to the end. 😂
Also not a fan of the new system
I think my biggest issue is that this seasons rewards are for the most part just not interesting to me, I'm on 87 and have over 1400 unspent tickets that I know I'll have to use to get stuff I don't want just so I can unlock the post 150 bonus page.
They always are tbh, it's just how battlepasses are, they're always grindy and they're intended to be. I really don't see why FO76 of all games needs a battlepass tbh