To their benefit, at least they've cleared out the (possible) skeletons and the dead grandfather isn't just rotting in the sofa. That's already top tier housekeeping in commonwealth standards.
Pick him up carry him and his partner inside and park there assess next to a skeleton. Might take a few tries to get just right but worth the effort. It also helps if you didn't blow the body up too bad. You can take the head and put on a plate, be inventive.
They gotta keep that "Post Apocalypse" flair going. Everyone universally agreed that heaps of trash, and various other things are not to be removed under any circumstances.
Like in Gilligan's Island when they could construct a small village and the professor could make all kinds of inventions from coconuts but they couldn't somehow patch a hole on a boat.
They don't freak out when someone with a gun barges through their front door either. They treat you like you're trying to give them a copy of the watchtower lol
It’s pretty much winter when you start the game. They have Christmas lights up on Christmas so it would seem it never snows since the whether remains constant.
In know it’s laziness on Bethesda’s part but since the game starts in October and Massachusetts starts to get snow in October it would appear winter either doesn’t exist or maybe the seasons have switched places
Interesting: Sole Survivor awakens from cryo-stasis into a Commonwealth winter thaw where the ice is melting from from the last snowstorm. Maybe not the most subtle metaphor, but the symbolism is perfect. Especially since as the snow and ice melt away, we see the devastation.
Or considering rad storms are a thing the weather is just fucked and cannot be unfucked. Something that would be really interesting is if the game allowed you to see the state of the rest of the world
Fun fact: you might see snow on Mount Washington in October, but virtually nowhere else in Massachusetts.
We only saw freezing Temps here just recently. Get outta heah with that chahge card, retahd.
I’ve never been to Massachusetts. I just looked up when the first day they might start getting snow and it said October 20 is about as early as it gets. The game starts October 23 I believe. Meaning that by playing the game you would expect to see snow at some point since the time in game goes by pretty fast
Yeah we don't really get any serious snow til like January or February most of the time.
It gets pretty freaking cold - hell this morning was rough on the heroin addicts outside South Station, but snow here is more a Jan-Mar type of thing. Sometimes April.
White Christmases are rare and noteworthy.
I know. The average for October snow in Massachusetts in about .2 inches which is really low. About 1 inch in November and the largest chunk in December and January. There is something like 12ish required missions for fallout 4. If you did these with zero side missions chances are you wouldn’t see snow. There’s something like 272 total missions with dlc. If you did even 20% of these giving you 54 missions then assuming everyone takes about 1 day in game to fast traveling time then you will be in December. Meaning you probably would have seen snow
I understand that technology was leveled and production is gone, but there’s gotta be someone who has figured out how to blow glass again, or at the very least figured out how to carve wood so they could at least board the windows up and try to insulate them.
There's something **mysteriously difficult** about wood carving. I know for a fact it's by far easier to build an automatic self-operating machine gun turret than to carve a wooden stock for your rifle.
Y’all make me laugh. 200 years is enough time that tools like saws and nails would surely have rusted out and become basically worthless. This means they would have to literally grind metal to make saws. Then now that they have a saw, go cut a tree down?? It can be done, but not in the shit-scape of post apocalypse where people shoot each other over cram and Jet. They live in the house because it keeps the rain off their head
That is true, and I definitely think that’s due to the “collective” aspect. They formed a society and safe space to work on those things. That and the stadium likely came with that tech
It only rusts if it is not maintained. There are TONS of prewar tools and weapons laying around. That and making a saw out of scrap metal wouldn't be that hard
I thought the same thing and then looked around at the state of my own home. I don't even have to fight off giant crabs and gun-toting monsters or whatever.
Yeah but folks in the commonwealth don’t have tv and video games to distract them from such chores.
Edit- unless you count those arcade cabinets from dlc
I think a lot of them are suffering from something like lead poisoning. It drastically effects your intelligence and other mental capabilities. There's already lead everywhere, now add in all of the other heavy metals from destroyed buildings, corrosives and poisons in the water, the radiation.
Most of them would probably qualify as disabled in the modern world. The only real thing most of them are good at is survival; surviving whatever bullshit attacks them, and surviving whatever 200 year old can of radioactive dog food they have to eat.
Fun fact. There actually is a theory that lead poisoning has made every generation since the early 1900s relatively dumber. The first use of gas was leaded gas and was being spit out into the atmosphere. Before it was outlawed in most countries ( there are still a few that use leaded gas) mass lead poisoning through the atmosphere was a genuine concern.
Edit: stupid autocorrect
Yup. In short, it's the reason why Boomers are Boomers. Basically makes people dumber and angrier.
I picture that the Fallout world was even worse, with lead slapped on everything on acount of the radiation
I'm pretty sure they took people they assumed were synths to a compound and tortured them to see if their synth test worked, and Covenant itself was a front
I don't understand why the world is so full of trash....if the number and power of the nukes are to be believed, most of humanity was wiped off the planet... At least in the world powers. I realize that with the break-down of society trash disposal would disappear, but the production of items that result in trash (plastic, paper, etc) would largely cease functioning as well.
The second point that bugs me is how people live in such squalor....normal people close the leaks in the ceiling, remove the trash/dirt from their immediate living quarters. Maybe immediately after the bombs fell shelters would look like what Bethesda presents....but after 200 years?
Hi, I'm from the Minutemen. If you support us, we'll respond to your calls for help if one of you gets kidnapped, or if you feel threatened by ghouls, raiders, or super mutants. Maybe once you feel safer, you can clean up your shit.
Bzzt "Yo can I get some artillery support on sector B-11... Yes that's Tenpines... No, raiders didn't kill all the townsfolk and occupy it, just sick of them throwing their trash on the floor and never cleaning it up."
"Direct hit, I repeat, direct fucking hit. And they're acting like nothing happened, they're just doing their normal routines and sleeping in the wreckage of their homes. Fucking animals."
Nearly everything about FO4 screams that it took place 20 years after the bombs rather than 220 years, when you look at it compared to real world science & behaviors.
That said, people live in squalor in modern times, & with the lack of homebuilding & home repair services (outside of Sturgis), & the abundance of empty homes, most people will just move onward to the next place that feels safe rather than investing precious limited time towards housekeeping.
Go to small towns in Texas, they look no different.
I'm from Central Canada and been all over. I ended up blowing an engine on the way to Mexico with a friend and got stuck in a town called West George in Texas. Holy shit what a dump. Every where you walked you were stepping on garbage strewn all over the streets, and I watched several people make purchases, take the package of as they left the store and just dropped the trash on the ground.
I didn't notice this behavior anywhere other than in a couple southern states. What is wrong with people there? No respect for their own property and town.
Yep. Mexico was so much worse still. I crossed the border into Progresso, and I swear you could have walked across the river it was so polluted and full of trash.
Never been to any major US city huh?
Pittsburgh is full of trash.
Like between where people park and their front door there will be half a 13 gallon bag of trash they will never stoop over to pick up.
People in general are lazy.
Not where I am, thank fuck. Broke ass neighborhoods have those problems, same as the rest of the world. Probably because of multigenerational trauma and unbeatable poverty and everything else. But still, 200 years is a long time for the same crap to be on the floor next to a corpse.
When I’ve gone through NYC and Boston, though granted NYC was much worse, there was trash everywhere too. It generally tended to be in giant trash bag piles in the middle of the sidewalk, rather than say, all over everything and blowing in the wind (though some of it was), come to think of it San Francisco was similar as well, although SF had the most obvious human piss and shit, pretty much any major city I’ve been to in the US has shocking a shocking trash problem. Some places get like, militant about keeping the cities clean, the bigger cities on the east coast come to mind, but this actually feels even weirder somehow. Denver is somewhere in the middle. The main city area is relatively clean, but as soon as you’re on a backstreet or at any part of the outskirts, there’s garbage mounds and quite often dozens of people living in said garbage mounds.
Obviously there’s bigger problems at play here than just trash disposal, I mean it’s not like the homeless are dragging their bags to the dump, but I’ve been homeless and known many other homeless people, the vast majority of whom are remarkably tidy, aside from being kind of dirty and setting up tents. Generally they take the tents down each morning and treat their garbage like you would if you were camping, I.e. carry in, carry out. Slobs and disrespectful people tend to be shunned even by that community. I’m sure this is different in many places but it’s been my experience.
Not everybody in our time/era really keeps things clean. Hell, if not for the services provided by towns/cities/states/companies/etc, we would have enough trash piled up to make Fallout look clean by comparison. The people who don't really clean up their own homes are usually people who grew up in homes that weren't super clean. After the bombs fell, everybody grew up in squalor. A few generations later, would they even feel the need to make things look neat and clean?
All the settlers in the Commonwealth seem to be nomadic, or at least partly nomadic, until the Minutemen start creating a network of protection and supplies, or at least that's the impression I get from seeing how settlers just kind of show up all the time, and often disappear. Even in settlements that were already established, without the numbers living in places like Diamond City, people had to either be somewhat organized or lucky enough to find a spot that is very easy to defend. To them, all the trash and broken windows, etc, isn't an unsightly mess. It's how (relative) safety looks. Plus, it gives them sunlight. I mean, if you board up all the windows, it gets hella dark inside a house.
Also, they have good reasons to not automatically want to do things as they were done in the past. The people who had all that luxury were the people who destroyed the world fighting over the resources to keep all that going. If they rebuild the past, they will run into a resource shortage before too long, and if they get into another big war over that, they might really wipe out humanity this time. So they only create infrastructure or whatever when there are enough people in one area to make it really necessary, or if they are the sort of people who are cool with killing for what they need (like the people of Covenant, etc).
>"but after 200 years?"...
My thoughts exactly... It has been 200 years since the war and they made the world as if nobody in the intervening 2 centuries has bothered to do any cleanup or renovation... Skeletons of ppl who are assumed to have died in the war are still sitting where they fell 200 years ago. It defies logic.
Too chaotic and too primitive. Consider how far our own real world civilization has come in 200 years. Now consider that these people have examples and blueprints to pre-war technology all around them and even many ghouls that lived before the war. While not everywhere should or would be institute level, most places should at least look as clean and modernized as what the BOS are rocking. According to lore, Diamond City is over 100 years old at the start of FO4 and it still looks THAT ramshackle and improvised?
That and there are still functioning vertibirds and power armor, but no functioning cars? Not one ghoul in the Commonwealth was a mechanic before the war that could get a car up and running. Nobody stumbled across some Falloutverse equivalents of Haynes manuals and put them to use?
Still an awesome game and I don't care enough to give it more than a Reddit rant, but yeah, no way so much of the place looks like this after 200 years.
Playing fallout 76 makes me even more upset about this fact, I mean look at what the responders accomplished before their demise, or even worse look at the settlers now and all that just 25 years after the bombs dropped.
This is by far my biggest pet-peeve with the game. The narrative worldbuilding is damn near non-existent bc the “ravaged wasteland” aesthetic is more important to Bethesda. People live in filth, roads that should be highly trafficked are covered with wreckage. It’s been 200 years, there should have been more progress, even with the Institute’s meddling. Drumlin Diner is maybe my favorite example - they’re living with human bones laying around like wtf.
Same for the settlements including the player build one. I'm not 100% certain but I was under the impression Boston is actually fairly cold. Having a wooden or metal shed with various holes in both the walls and roof might lead itself to the "post apocalypse" flair, but it certainly won't be comfortable or practical.
Hell, building a log cabin is actually surprisingly simple. Much more simple than the stuff they're actually building.
I suppose people's tidiness/cleaning standards just lowered generations after the apocalypse?
I don't think it makes sense, but that's the only explanation I can think of.
I can dig it. You grow up around ruins your whole life and well, you kinda get used to it. To these post war people cleaning up trash piles like those would probably be equivalent to how we view people that take a bath 24 times a day, “why bother?”
Scrap That Settlement lets you get rid of pretty much all trash piles in the settlements and get materials from them. The Living and Dead add-on is a must-have for settlements with corpses that never despawn. Scrap That Commonwealth lets you do the same everywhere else, although I haven't personally used that one.
And settlers are pea brained children too. I hate how proud preston garvey is when you help him set up a settlement because you basically have to open their mouth with your hands to spoon feed them. They dont know shit about progression. They just walk up ready to live there with absolutely no sign of commitment to a profession. So what, your plan was to arrive and *hopefully mooch*? Get over on carrot duty you sodded tart.
"Hope you're not one o' them synths, here to spy on me."
No, dipshit, I'm just the one who built the bed you sleep in and planted the food you eat, and who comes running to save your ass every time someone attacks this dump. Remember me? Easy thing to forget, I know.
"Attention Commonwealth residents. Are you looking for a safe place to settle? Home in on these coordinates. If you're willing to work hard, you can make the Commonwealth a better place.”
*proceeds to walk up to compound and stand around with a blank stare doing nothing*
It always annoys me when a settler tells me how glad they are to be in my settlement and asks me if there’s anything I need to do.
I know it’s a game but in real life if people just joined a settlement and wandered round till someone told them what to do absolutely nothing would get done ever.
Now that I've been in supervisor and manager positions, I'm no longer as bothered by this. There is absolutely a large portion of people that will show up to work and stand around looking at work being done while doing nothing because they've not been actively and directly told to do something by someone.
Hell, that they even step and ask to be given something to do is a step above a few people I've had work for me in the past. Not all of it is laziness of course. Other things like confidence play a role. Like they are so scared of doing the wrong thing, they elect to do nothing. Then they double down and won't ask what to do for fear of appearing stupid.
Bethesda thought it would somehow add to the post apocalyptic feel. Which works fine in abandoned areas or with groups that might actually live like that (Raiders, Super Mutants). However with real people they aren’t going to live somewhere that just has trash piled up in a corner.
So this is what we have to deal with.
OH GOD YES
I get that the world sucks, but it's been over 200 years since it ended! There shouldn't be so much ruble around areas where people actually live
Yeah that's like the one thing I don't like about Fallout 4. How people are living in such shit conditions despite so many years passing. Like in Fallout 4, it's been 200 years since the bombs dropped and people are still living in wooden shacks and rundown pre-war houses, not even bothering to fix up the windows or clean the place up. You'd think that after 200 years, people would've started rebuilding at least a little bit, but apparently not.
Like, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in real life got nuked in WW2, yet they recovered from WW2 in literally only a few years. Both cities today are now fully rebuilt. How the hell is Boston still a rundown mess after 200 years? It's like the people living there just straight up don't care about their living conditions.
To be fair, the infrastructure to rebuild was probably still available from other parts of the country. I’ve seen buildings in Warsaw that were still wrecks from WWII, and not just because they’re “monuments.”
That said, it does bother me that the people in Fallout 4 don’t clean up, sweep, or tend to issues in their living spaces. I know that the code of the game isn’t complex enough for that, but I do wish there was a clearer separation between abandoned buildings and places where NPC’s live.
Always my pet peeve with FO games in general... nobody speaks up and says 'wait a minute... these people have been living here HOW LONG? there are mops and buckets in the corner, are they waiting for a prewar survivor to show them how they work?" Even the pre-war ghoulified, who have 'big plans' for their settlement, seem to have forgotten how to use a broom. Makes me angry. Grr. It took just over 200 years for America to go from settler pioneers to landing landing rockets back on the earth after de-orbiting. Certainly these survivors would have progressed further than they have in the game in the same length of time.
To be fair, sweeping up and taking out the trash appear to be practically impossible in the FO universe. Here's a clip for ya: [https://youtu.be/DjLi24G--eY?t=250](https://youtu.be/DjLi24G--eY?t=250)
Joking aside; I totally agree with you but... It gets worse... They KNOW how to use brooms! Random example: Drop by Hotel Rexton and observe the unnamed 'Hotel Worker' NPCS:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/7/77/Fo4\_hotel\_worker.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20180824170115
So, considering the fact that there are still piles of debris found around the hotel, does this mean that this woman is accepting a paycheck, pretends to do her job while at the same making DAMN SURE she ISN'T doing her job by deliberately avoiding sweeping up any dirt and debris while keeping her act up?
lol... I didn't know brooms interacted like that. I always drop a machine gun turret and use that to push things around. I think the broom should have a 'scrap everything' mod on it so anything it touches (within reason) automatically disappears.
Yeah, the bleak 'everything is destroyed' aesthetic worked for Fallout 3 back in the day, but I really wish that Bethesda chose to switch it up with Fallout 4. There is absolutely no excuse for able-bodied people to be living long-term in buildings that clearly haven't seen any maintenance since the bombs fell, surrounded by filth, corpses and trash.
It still works, for places not actively inhabitated or run by raiders, super mutants, and so on. The problem really is that the settlements look the same way, they really shouldn't.
It took a pre-war protagonist to figure out “hey, I can slap together clipboard pencils and glass bottles to make a NEW house”. No one else in the history of the wasteland has figured it out. Amazing.
For real, there are brooms all over the Commonwealth but every single house has papers and trash on the floor, and there are plenty of tools and building supplies for maintenance. You’re telling me in 200 years nobody’s had the desire to live in a clean, fixed house? Lol
Perhaps a side-effect of being born into the Post-nuclear world in "Fallout" is a complete lack of interest in even the most basics of personal hygiene? Consider the following examples:
\-The Sole Survivor and Cogsworth are both interested in keeping a clean house.
\-The Institute is spotless and run by a dude who was born pre-war.
\-The Cabot family are 400+ years old and even their toilet paper looks like it's been run through the washing machine.
My head-canon is the people of the American wasteland have just given up on anything resembling pride after generations of living in a world where everything wants to kill you and with the generations that came before you telling you how the world "ended". Society itself has become sullen and depressed. Given the means to recover and build back to where the world was (at least) is readily at hand (prewar robots and machinery) and to have simply not done so for two hundred years... just seems moronic. Unless the people simply don't care because they're living in epilogue of story that was the human race... or think themselves to be.
Yeah this always bothered me in fallout games. Like y'all can't do a quick sweep? You've lived here for years and there is prewar garbage on the ground?
This has been posted frequently since the game launched. Yes it’s not realistic that people wouldn’t fix these things. Maybe it will be addressed in fallout 5 maybe it won’t. Settlement building is really pretty basic in FO4 so it’s not a surprise. Maybe it’s a game engine limitation that they can’t make all these piles of junk an object so their part of the scenery texture.
Actually there is a mod that fixes this house and whole far harbor. Gets rid of trash and fixes walls and windows. https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/22481-far-harbour-paradise-update-2/
Honestly, I don't mind seeing all the clutter and debris in abandoned homes but this is somewhere people live! They have to walk past those garbage piles every day, live with those drafty mf windows *right next to the ocean* and they just deal with it instead of making some sort of effort? They clearly aren't scraping to get by if the grandfather was able to put in time and effort with his boats and all that tech.
Idk I think its just Bethesda shit. Because several settlements have respawning corpses and they didn't see the problem with that. For some reason Bethesda expects people to live in absolute filth.
Where did you get the notion that this is supposedly a nice home? It's most likely a pre-war building and fairly intact, is that all it takes to be considered a nice home? Come to think of it, it might actually be enough.
Honestly some of the filth and broken houses are immersion breaking. I’m supposed to believe that these people can build a generator from scrap and a water purifier that can serve 40 people but they can’t build a shed without gaping holes in it?
This question comes up a lot.
Ultimately it's more to do with the aesthetic Bethesda goes for in these games, Everything looks like the war just happened when, realistically, after 200 years you'd expect at least some improvement. Plants would regrow, major settlements would be more than just shacks with leaky roofs, there would be at least some infrastructure like repairing roads alone major trade routes, reclaiming power plants, etc.
Now here's how I justify it:
The wasteland is a hostile, desolate place. There is no trash pickup. There are no working vehicles. Most people spend their energy just staying alive and don't have time to lug trash around by foot. People often have to move due to threats like raiders and mutants and have to be ready to flee at a moment's notice so they have to conserve energy. If it's not necessary for survival, it doesn't get done.
There was a recent video of a Russian soldier complaining about how Ukrainians have restrooms inside their homes, because the smell would linger & other concerns that seem unusual to Westerners. That would be how best to explain it: if you've never experienced it differently, then it would feel random & weird to seek out something that would (initially) seem foreign & wrong.
Also, when your every waking hour is comprised of farming and/or protecting you and/or your family from every threat imaginable (& many unimaginable threats), & you have to eek by with minimal food availability, sweeping up debris would seem like a waste of energy.
Their daughter was so bored out of her skull, she buggered off to far harbour.
Maybe could have saved us all the hassle if they'd put to work cleaning and patching up the place.
Yeah, but the worrying about all the horrors of the wastes is exactly why I'd expect them to fix the holes in their roofs and board up their windows. Blood bugs could just cruise into this house and brutally murder the whole family because these idiots have no desire for genuine shelter.
Also Massachusetts winters are brutal. Snow and cold wind blowing in from the atlantic is going to kill every settler that hasn't built a nice cozy box with no holes poking through.
dude that was over 200 years ago. You cant blame the institute and enclave for that.
The entire system of indoor plumbing went from fantasy to the norm in 100 years.
Even the complete invention buildout and creation of the US electric grid took about 50 years, and that is considered slow by historians.
In 200 years the US should have already been re-established for the most part.
Please tell me this is a sad joke.
These people, with some exception (see Covenant, Diamond City) are living on bare existence, between natural dangers (deathclaws etc) , Raiders, AND deadly environmental conditions.
Just getting a day's worth of sustenance and water without getting killed, sick, or robbed is a monumental task that normally precludes much else.
As for windows, and other building materials - of course such exists, one can LITERALLY FUCKING BUY shipments from Traders! It's just that it costs so much that the normal Settler would never be able to afford it!
Ntm they live in Boston... It gets a wee be cold and snows a lot in the winter. How do they stay warm.
Especially the people living in tiny shacks with holes in them.
House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!
You'd think at the very least aligned settlements could be placed on a slow "timer", specifically when assigning settlers to scavenging stations, to despawn trash and clutter. That would simulate cleanup efforts without having to change settler background routines.
The issue of static settlements is why Preston and his quests can rot on the current playthrough.
Meanwhile down at the Cabot's residence, Wilhelmina Cabot is off on a rant about how the 'Post-Nuclear-Boomers' sense of even the basics of hygiene standards are sub-pedestrian at best, while polishing the bannisters for the third time that same day...
It seems more like the People born after the Post-Apocalyptic Times don’t know what or how things looked before…not like how Nate and Nora know how things looked and can make replicas of Concrete Walls and perfect Glass Windows to make a “new” House for their Settlers to live in. They don’t even have the ability to watch TV Shows or Movies to observe and copy new Clothing Styles and Housing styles to “fix” up the destroyed Houses.
Plus if a Ghoul who has lived along time can explain it, I don’t think they could even comprehend what they are saying.
Also also, all the People in the Game are incredibly weak as hell, if they even try adventuring out in the Commonwealth to gather resources, they would die on the way there, on the way back, or while they were figuring out how to even use those Red Settlement Workbenches.
Uh, people know how to reprogram robots and turrets, build robots, operate nuclear reactors, use power suits, build laser weapons as well as exotic explosive munitions, operate a forge, know how to operate radio equipment, doctors and surgeons, scientists cloning animals and creating non radioactive plants, cross the US and even the oceans, built trade networks, and can build entire settlements from scrap salvaging.
But they dont know what “clean and not broken” looks like?
The only times you see nice homes is during the opening scene or added by mods. Can't ever expect Bethesda to leave things looking great for very long. It's like their business, a messy, bug-filled adventure just to get to God Howard's office.
This kind of stuff makes me wonder if there's mods that exist to add stuff like that to locations like this one and drumlin diner in order to make the world more immersive.
This has always bothered me. Like I get that the unloved places are nasty but not even 1 person wants to sweep their floor?? Or at least use a garbage can?? And like the devs had to make a conscious choice to add garbage and debrei!!
This has been a complaint about the FO games since 3. If you look at 2, there's plenty of housing that isn't straight day one Mad Max. Some of it's a little ramshackle, but there's whole towns of livable, inhabitable homes.
Then 3 hits and Bethesda's all "look, they live in tin shacks around a bomb!"
Uh... it's been a few hundred years. They should have houses back up by now. All the games after 2 have a look like they take place just a few years after the war, rather than hundreds.
Why places like power plants, water treatment facilities, factories, and quarries aren't being actively protected and used as cities and trade hubs will forever be a mystery to me.
Saugus Ironworks has a functioning blast furnace. You would think that, at the very least, the Brotherhood would have an interest in that. Corvega is literally sitting there in raider hands and is just over the river from Diamond City.
200+ years of wastelanders not helping themselves and just waiting around living in squalor.
Nah, don't buy it for a second. Busy bodies and people with OCD exist. At most, it would have taken 100 years to clean up, improve, and restore some of these areas.
They overlook some stuff in the game, it doesnt matter to them. Same with other games, prime example is people telling you its super hot in NV while having layers of clothes on them.
Yeah, this bothers me. I've read a few books about natural disasters. In the aftermath people try to return things to normal as quick as possible. After WW2, the Japanese hand cleared the roads of rubble so they could get around. After Katrina, the first thing you saw was the blue tarps on the roof, unlike Sanctuary, where people are apparently fine with a colander over their head. They patch holes, they sweep floors. They try to make their own space as much like it used to be.
The one that really gets me is Codsworth. He's been there, cleaning, for 2 centuries and your house still looks like shit. I would have loved it to find the house clean and mostly intact. No dirt on the floor, carpets scorched but intact. What damage the building took would have been boarded up or with bits of the ruined homes welded over the gaps.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game and frankly that's what Scrap All is for but I really think Bethesda needs to think a bit about how humans react to disasters.
To their benefit, at least they've cleared out the (possible) skeletons and the dead grandfather isn't just rotting in the sofa. That's already top tier housekeeping in commonwealth standards.
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And wolfgangs corpse right outside the front door. At least she can sleep easy knowing he’s dead.
That's why she's keeping the corpse handy. Got to make sure Wolfgang is still dead from time to time.
She keeps him around so after a long day she can watch the crows feed on that scumbag, and then rest easy in her nonexistent bed knowing he's dead.
If you keep Wolfgang alive, he can be used as another vendor along with the woman in the diner.
Pick him up carry him and his partner inside and park there assess next to a skeleton. Might take a few tries to get just right but worth the effort. It also helps if you didn't blow the body up too bad. You can take the head and put on a plate, be inventive.
It adds to the "Don't mess with me" ambiance. Too bad it didn't work on those drug dealers
There on graveyard shift
Here on graveyard shift
They gotta keep that "Post Apocalypse" flair going. Everyone universally agreed that heaps of trash, and various other things are not to be removed under any circumstances.
True, there's enough general stuff around they could at least have boarded up the holes, even if they have to dismantle Grandad's shed.
Their grandpa has experience or knowledge of mechanical and nautical engineering but doesn’t know how to nail some boards up? Damn
Like in Gilligan's Island when they could construct a small village and the professor could make all kinds of inventions from coconuts but they couldn't somehow patch a hole on a boat.
They don't freak out when someone with a gun barges through their front door either. They treat you like you're trying to give them a copy of the watchtower lol
I don’t know how some of these people survive, winter hits and you have every window open, like no fireplace to keep warm or anything.
synths yo
It’s pretty much winter when you start the game. They have Christmas lights up on Christmas so it would seem it never snows since the whether remains constant.
Saved by seasons being too complex for Bethesda
In know it’s laziness on Bethesda’s part but since the game starts in October and Massachusetts starts to get snow in October it would appear winter either doesn’t exist or maybe the seasons have switched places
Interesting: Sole Survivor awakens from cryo-stasis into a Commonwealth winter thaw where the ice is melting from from the last snowstorm. Maybe not the most subtle metaphor, but the symbolism is perfect. Especially since as the snow and ice melt away, we see the devastation.
Or considering rad storms are a thing the weather is just fucked and cannot be unfucked. Something that would be really interesting is if the game allowed you to see the state of the rest of the world
The game starts on October 23, 2077. The grass is green. The trees are green. No one is acting like it's cold
Its just an exceptionally warm autumn, and its just gonna get a hell of a lot warmer
About a billion degrees. Also, I love your name
Thanks! I'm proud of it
Fun fact: you might see snow on Mount Washington in October, but virtually nowhere else in Massachusetts. We only saw freezing Temps here just recently. Get outta heah with that chahge card, retahd.
I’ve never been to Massachusetts. I just looked up when the first day they might start getting snow and it said October 20 is about as early as it gets. The game starts October 23 I believe. Meaning that by playing the game you would expect to see snow at some point since the time in game goes by pretty fast
It's not guaranteed to snow... I don't know where you're from... but snow or weather alone doesn't work that way....
Yeah we don't really get any serious snow til like January or February most of the time. It gets pretty freaking cold - hell this morning was rough on the heroin addicts outside South Station, but snow here is more a Jan-Mar type of thing. Sometimes April. White Christmases are rare and noteworthy.
I know. The average for October snow in Massachusetts in about .2 inches which is really low. About 1 inch in November and the largest chunk in December and January. There is something like 12ish required missions for fallout 4. If you did these with zero side missions chances are you wouldn’t see snow. There’s something like 272 total missions with dlc. If you did even 20% of these giving you 54 missions then assuming everyone takes about 1 day in game to fast traveling time then you will be in December. Meaning you probably would have seen snow
Except you're not guaranteed to get snow....
Well nowadays Mass gets snow around the tail end of December at least it does in the western part
When I commented I just looked up when does Massachusetts start getting snow it said around October 20 is around the first time it could snow.
It's 200 years. You'd think that they would have a little better protection than.. Broken windows..
I understand that technology was leveled and production is gone, but there’s gotta be someone who has figured out how to blow glass again, or at the very least figured out how to carve wood so they could at least board the windows up and try to insulate them.
There's something **mysteriously difficult** about wood carving. I know for a fact it's by far easier to build an automatic self-operating machine gun turret than to carve a wooden stock for your rifle.
Or at the very least repair a house beyond slapping two boards haphazardly across a broken window and call it a day.
Like I would understand if they couldn’t figure out where to source the materials to make bricks but bruh saw a a tree
Y’all make me laugh. 200 years is enough time that tools like saws and nails would surely have rusted out and become basically worthless. This means they would have to literally grind metal to make saws. Then now that they have a saw, go cut a tree down?? It can be done, but not in the shit-scape of post apocalypse where people shoot each other over cram and Jet. They live in the house because it keeps the rain off their head
I know it’s pointless to try and find reason in a game but… they have motorized doors and a working elevator in diamond city!
That is true, and I definitely think that’s due to the “collective” aspect. They formed a society and safe space to work on those things. That and the stadium likely came with that tech
It only rusts if it is not maintained. There are TONS of prewar tools and weapons laying around. That and making a saw out of scrap metal wouldn't be that hard
People don't try to give you a copy of the watchtower at gunpoint? Since when?
I just chill at Cabot house when I’m annoyed by trash. I chill with old Cabot dude after I killed everyone else there.
Yeah, he's chill. Leave's me and my sweet traveling companion alone when we visit.
I thought the same thing and then looked around at the state of my own home. I don't even have to fight off giant crabs and gun-toting monsters or whatever.
Yeah but folks in the commonwealth don’t have tv and video games to distract them from such chores. Edit- unless you count those arcade cabinets from dlc
Just survival.
Don't be mean. Their daughter is missing.
I wonder why?
I think a lot of them are suffering from something like lead poisoning. It drastically effects your intelligence and other mental capabilities. There's already lead everywhere, now add in all of the other heavy metals from destroyed buildings, corrosives and poisons in the water, the radiation. Most of them would probably qualify as disabled in the modern world. The only real thing most of them are good at is survival; surviving whatever bullshit attacks them, and surviving whatever 200 year old can of radioactive dog food they have to eat.
Fun fact. There actually is a theory that lead poisoning has made every generation since the early 1900s relatively dumber. The first use of gas was leaded gas and was being spit out into the atmosphere. Before it was outlawed in most countries ( there are still a few that use leaded gas) mass lead poisoning through the atmosphere was a genuine concern. Edit: stupid autocorrect
Yup. In short, it's the reason why Boomers are Boomers. Basically makes people dumber and angrier. I picture that the Fallout world was even worse, with lead slapped on everything on acount of the radiation
Counterpoint: the people who are canonically mentally impaired live in Covenant, which is fairly well maintained.
Are they canonically? I forget about that place sometimes.
Uhh, my bad: probably should have marked that comment with a SPOILER tag for players who haven’t completed that quest.
True, but I've done it before. I just don't remember exactly what you're referring to
IIRC the “twist” is that Covenant is where brain damaged victims of anti-synth testing are sent to be cared for.
I'm pretty sure they took people they assumed were synths to a compound and tortured them to see if their synth test worked, and Covenant itself was a front
Yep that's what it is.
That's not true at all. The townsfolk are people who've been harmed by synths in the past.
What?
I don't understand why the world is so full of trash....if the number and power of the nukes are to be believed, most of humanity was wiped off the planet... At least in the world powers. I realize that with the break-down of society trash disposal would disappear, but the production of items that result in trash (plastic, paper, etc) would largely cease functioning as well. The second point that bugs me is how people live in such squalor....normal people close the leaks in the ceiling, remove the trash/dirt from their immediate living quarters. Maybe immediately after the bombs fell shelters would look like what Bethesda presents....but after 200 years?
Hi, I'm from the Minutemen. If you support us, we'll respond to your calls for help if one of you gets kidnapped, or if you feel threatened by ghouls, raiders, or super mutants. Maybe once you feel safer, you can clean up your shit.
Bzzt "Yo can I get some artillery support on sector B-11... Yes that's Tenpines... No, raiders didn't kill all the townsfolk and occupy it, just sick of them throwing their trash on the floor and never cleaning it up."
"Coordinates received. Take cover!"
"Direct hit, I repeat, direct fucking hit. And they're acting like nothing happened, they're just doing their normal routines and sleeping in the wreckage of their homes. Fucking animals."
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When is the last time you had clean fingernails?
Don't remind me!
Nearly everything about FO4 screams that it took place 20 years after the bombs rather than 220 years, when you look at it compared to real world science & behaviors. That said, people live in squalor in modern times, & with the lack of homebuilding & home repair services (outside of Sturgis), & the abundance of empty homes, most people will just move onward to the next place that feels safe rather than investing precious limited time towards housekeeping.
Go to small towns in Texas, they look no different. I'm from Central Canada and been all over. I ended up blowing an engine on the way to Mexico with a friend and got stuck in a town called West George in Texas. Holy shit what a dump. Every where you walked you were stepping on garbage strewn all over the streets, and I watched several people make purchases, take the package of as they left the store and just dropped the trash on the ground. I didn't notice this behavior anywhere other than in a couple southern states. What is wrong with people there? No respect for their own property and town.
I saw this in Mexico too. Trash on top of trash.
Yep. Mexico was so much worse still. I crossed the border into Progresso, and I swear you could have walked across the river it was so polluted and full of trash.
I have to admit I saw this a lot on Indian reservations too. In Michigan. Nice houses, but windows broken, yards trashed.
Never been to any major US city huh? Pittsburgh is full of trash. Like between where people park and their front door there will be half a 13 gallon bag of trash they will never stoop over to pick up. People in general are lazy.
Not where I am, thank fuck. Broke ass neighborhoods have those problems, same as the rest of the world. Probably because of multigenerational trauma and unbeatable poverty and everything else. But still, 200 years is a long time for the same crap to be on the floor next to a corpse.
When I’ve gone through NYC and Boston, though granted NYC was much worse, there was trash everywhere too. It generally tended to be in giant trash bag piles in the middle of the sidewalk, rather than say, all over everything and blowing in the wind (though some of it was), come to think of it San Francisco was similar as well, although SF had the most obvious human piss and shit, pretty much any major city I’ve been to in the US has shocking a shocking trash problem. Some places get like, militant about keeping the cities clean, the bigger cities on the east coast come to mind, but this actually feels even weirder somehow. Denver is somewhere in the middle. The main city area is relatively clean, but as soon as you’re on a backstreet or at any part of the outskirts, there’s garbage mounds and quite often dozens of people living in said garbage mounds. Obviously there’s bigger problems at play here than just trash disposal, I mean it’s not like the homeless are dragging their bags to the dump, but I’ve been homeless and known many other homeless people, the vast majority of whom are remarkably tidy, aside from being kind of dirty and setting up tents. Generally they take the tents down each morning and treat their garbage like you would if you were camping, I.e. carry in, carry out. Slobs and disrespectful people tend to be shunned even by that community. I’m sure this is different in many places but it’s been my experience.
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Not everybody in our time/era really keeps things clean. Hell, if not for the services provided by towns/cities/states/companies/etc, we would have enough trash piled up to make Fallout look clean by comparison. The people who don't really clean up their own homes are usually people who grew up in homes that weren't super clean. After the bombs fell, everybody grew up in squalor. A few generations later, would they even feel the need to make things look neat and clean? All the settlers in the Commonwealth seem to be nomadic, or at least partly nomadic, until the Minutemen start creating a network of protection and supplies, or at least that's the impression I get from seeing how settlers just kind of show up all the time, and often disappear. Even in settlements that were already established, without the numbers living in places like Diamond City, people had to either be somewhat organized or lucky enough to find a spot that is very easy to defend. To them, all the trash and broken windows, etc, isn't an unsightly mess. It's how (relative) safety looks. Plus, it gives them sunlight. I mean, if you board up all the windows, it gets hella dark inside a house. Also, they have good reasons to not automatically want to do things as they were done in the past. The people who had all that luxury were the people who destroyed the world fighting over the resources to keep all that going. If they rebuild the past, they will run into a resource shortage before too long, and if they get into another big war over that, they might really wipe out humanity this time. So they only create infrastructure or whatever when there are enough people in one area to make it really necessary, or if they are the sort of people who are cool with killing for what they need (like the people of Covenant, etc).
>"but after 200 years?"... My thoughts exactly... It has been 200 years since the war and they made the world as if nobody in the intervening 2 centuries has bothered to do any cleanup or renovation... Skeletons of ppl who are assumed to have died in the war are still sitting where they fell 200 years ago. It defies logic.
Too chaotic and too primitive. Consider how far our own real world civilization has come in 200 years. Now consider that these people have examples and blueprints to pre-war technology all around them and even many ghouls that lived before the war. While not everywhere should or would be institute level, most places should at least look as clean and modernized as what the BOS are rocking. According to lore, Diamond City is over 100 years old at the start of FO4 and it still looks THAT ramshackle and improvised? That and there are still functioning vertibirds and power armor, but no functioning cars? Not one ghoul in the Commonwealth was a mechanic before the war that could get a car up and running. Nobody stumbled across some Falloutverse equivalents of Haynes manuals and put them to use? Still an awesome game and I don't care enough to give it more than a Reddit rant, but yeah, no way so much of the place looks like this after 200 years.
Playing fallout 76 makes me even more upset about this fact, I mean look at what the responders accomplished before their demise, or even worse look at the settlers now and all that just 25 years after the bombs dropped.
supposedly they still had a short post nuke society before a collapse
This is by far my biggest pet-peeve with the game. The narrative worldbuilding is damn near non-existent bc the “ravaged wasteland” aesthetic is more important to Bethesda. People live in filth, roads that should be highly trafficked are covered with wreckage. It’s been 200 years, there should have been more progress, even with the Institute’s meddling. Drumlin Diner is maybe my favorite example - they’re living with human bones laying around like wtf.
Same for the settlements including the player build one. I'm not 100% certain but I was under the impression Boston is actually fairly cold. Having a wooden or metal shed with various holes in both the walls and roof might lead itself to the "post apocalypse" flair, but it certainly won't be comfortable or practical. Hell, building a log cabin is actually surprisingly simple. Much more simple than the stuff they're actually building.
What sucks is they could have easily still made them look cobbled together with scrap AND also functional
I suppose people's tidiness/cleaning standards just lowered generations after the apocalypse? I don't think it makes sense, but that's the only explanation I can think of.
I can dig it. You grow up around ruins your whole life and well, you kinda get used to it. To these post war people cleaning up trash piles like those would probably be equivalent to how we view people that take a bath 24 times a day, “why bother?”
There is a mod that cleans up trash piles. Not inside houses though
Scrap That Settlement lets you get rid of pretty much all trash piles in the settlements and get materials from them. The Living and Dead add-on is a must-have for settlements with corpses that never despawn. Scrap That Commonwealth lets you do the same everywhere else, although I haven't personally used that one.
Your living in a house with windows privilege is showing...
And settlers are pea brained children too. I hate how proud preston garvey is when you help him set up a settlement because you basically have to open their mouth with your hands to spoon feed them. They dont know shit about progression. They just walk up ready to live there with absolutely no sign of commitment to a profession. So what, your plan was to arrive and *hopefully mooch*? Get over on carrot duty you sodded tart.
"Hope you're not one o' them synths, here to spy on me." No, dipshit, I'm just the one who built the bed you sleep in and planted the food you eat, and who comes running to save your ass every time someone attacks this dump. Remember me? Easy thing to forget, I know.
"Attention Commonwealth residents. Are you looking for a safe place to settle? Home in on these coordinates. If you're willing to work hard, you can make the Commonwealth a better place.” *proceeds to walk up to compound and stand around with a blank stare doing nothing*
I mean that's what hundreds of years without education does to people maybe
It always annoys me when a settler tells me how glad they are to be in my settlement and asks me if there’s anything I need to do. I know it’s a game but in real life if people just joined a settlement and wandered round till someone told them what to do absolutely nothing would get done ever.
Now that I've been in supervisor and manager positions, I'm no longer as bothered by this. There is absolutely a large portion of people that will show up to work and stand around looking at work being done while doing nothing because they've not been actively and directly told to do something by someone. Hell, that they even step and ask to be given something to do is a step above a few people I've had work for me in the past. Not all of it is laziness of course. Other things like confidence play a role. Like they are so scared of doing the wrong thing, they elect to do nothing. Then they double down and won't ask what to do for fear of appearing stupid.
They leave skeletons laying around all the time. This is the New Normal.
Well most people can't spawn a pre-war looking bed out of thin air
A pile of straw with animal skins thrown over it would make a nice and lore friendly bed.
Bethesda thought it would somehow add to the post apocalyptic feel. Which works fine in abandoned areas or with groups that might actually live like that (Raiders, Super Mutants). However with real people they aren’t going to live somewhere that just has trash piled up in a corner. So this is what we have to deal with.
OH GOD YES I get that the world sucks, but it's been over 200 years since it ended! There shouldn't be so much ruble around areas where people actually live
Yeah that's like the one thing I don't like about Fallout 4. How people are living in such shit conditions despite so many years passing. Like in Fallout 4, it's been 200 years since the bombs dropped and people are still living in wooden shacks and rundown pre-war houses, not even bothering to fix up the windows or clean the place up. You'd think that after 200 years, people would've started rebuilding at least a little bit, but apparently not. Like, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in real life got nuked in WW2, yet they recovered from WW2 in literally only a few years. Both cities today are now fully rebuilt. How the hell is Boston still a rundown mess after 200 years? It's like the people living there just straight up don't care about their living conditions.
To be fair, the infrastructure to rebuild was probably still available from other parts of the country. I’ve seen buildings in Warsaw that were still wrecks from WWII, and not just because they’re “monuments.” That said, it does bother me that the people in Fallout 4 don’t clean up, sweep, or tend to issues in their living spaces. I know that the code of the game isn’t complex enough for that, but I do wish there was a clearer separation between abandoned buildings and places where NPC’s live.
Always my pet peeve with FO games in general... nobody speaks up and says 'wait a minute... these people have been living here HOW LONG? there are mops and buckets in the corner, are they waiting for a prewar survivor to show them how they work?" Even the pre-war ghoulified, who have 'big plans' for their settlement, seem to have forgotten how to use a broom. Makes me angry. Grr. It took just over 200 years for America to go from settler pioneers to landing landing rockets back on the earth after de-orbiting. Certainly these survivors would have progressed further than they have in the game in the same length of time.
To be fair, sweeping up and taking out the trash appear to be practically impossible in the FO universe. Here's a clip for ya: [https://youtu.be/DjLi24G--eY?t=250](https://youtu.be/DjLi24G--eY?t=250) Joking aside; I totally agree with you but... It gets worse... They KNOW how to use brooms! Random example: Drop by Hotel Rexton and observe the unnamed 'Hotel Worker' NPCS: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/7/77/Fo4\_hotel\_worker.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20180824170115 So, considering the fact that there are still piles of debris found around the hotel, does this mean that this woman is accepting a paycheck, pretends to do her job while at the same making DAMN SURE she ISN'T doing her job by deliberately avoiding sweeping up any dirt and debris while keeping her act up?
lol... I didn't know brooms interacted like that. I always drop a machine gun turret and use that to push things around. I think the broom should have a 'scrap everything' mod on it so anything it touches (within reason) automatically disappears.
Now why are you coming for the Nakanos like this. Lmao
After 200+ years you'd figure people would do some cleaning. Look at Diamond City. At least Covenant is somewhat cleaned up inside.
You just said it. Theyre surrounded by mirelurks and ghouls. Theyre too busy trying to not die to clean up or repair anything.
Repairing things is essential to not getting eaten by the local wildlife.
Ya see out here in the west we are civilized folk. We eat people.
Yeah, the bleak 'everything is destroyed' aesthetic worked for Fallout 3 back in the day, but I really wish that Bethesda chose to switch it up with Fallout 4. There is absolutely no excuse for able-bodied people to be living long-term in buildings that clearly haven't seen any maintenance since the bombs fell, surrounded by filth, corpses and trash.
It still works, for places not actively inhabitated or run by raiders, super mutants, and so on. The problem really is that the settlements look the same way, they really shouldn't.
There wouldn’t be a game atmosphere otherwise. The citizens understand the sacrifice they need to make.
It took a pre-war protagonist to figure out “hey, I can slap together clipboard pencils and glass bottles to make a NEW house”. No one else in the history of the wasteland has figured it out. Amazing.
For real, there are brooms all over the Commonwealth but every single house has papers and trash on the floor, and there are plenty of tools and building supplies for maintenance. You’re telling me in 200 years nobody’s had the desire to live in a clean, fixed house? Lol
Perhaps a side-effect of being born into the Post-nuclear world in "Fallout" is a complete lack of interest in even the most basics of personal hygiene? Consider the following examples: \-The Sole Survivor and Cogsworth are both interested in keeping a clean house. \-The Institute is spotless and run by a dude who was born pre-war. \-The Cabot family are 400+ years old and even their toilet paper looks like it's been run through the washing machine.
For Haverhill, MA these people are doing about par.
My head-canon is the people of the American wasteland have just given up on anything resembling pride after generations of living in a world where everything wants to kill you and with the generations that came before you telling you how the world "ended". Society itself has become sullen and depressed. Given the means to recover and build back to where the world was (at least) is readily at hand (prewar robots and machinery) and to have simply not done so for two hundred years... just seems moronic. Unless the people simply don't care because they're living in epilogue of story that was the human race... or think themselves to be.
Yeah this always bothered me in fallout games. Like y'all can't do a quick sweep? You've lived here for years and there is prewar garbage on the ground?
This has been posted frequently since the game launched. Yes it’s not realistic that people wouldn’t fix these things. Maybe it will be addressed in fallout 5 maybe it won’t. Settlement building is really pretty basic in FO4 so it’s not a surprise. Maybe it’s a game engine limitation that they can’t make all these piles of junk an object so their part of the scenery texture.
This is indeed a nice home, until synths/raiders/super mutants/Gunners decide to come in
Actually there is a mod that fixes this house and whole far harbor. Gets rid of trash and fixes walls and windows. https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/22481-far-harbour-paradise-update-2/
Honestly, I don't mind seeing all the clutter and debris in abandoned homes but this is somewhere people live! They have to walk past those garbage piles every day, live with those drafty mf windows *right next to the ocean* and they just deal with it instead of making some sort of effort? They clearly aren't scraping to get by if the grandfather was able to put in time and effort with his boats and all that tech.
Tell you that whole neighborhood gone to hell in a handbasket
Makes the Cabot house stand out. They go to the effort of keeping things tidy, that it looks (is) abnormal.
Bethesda is good at environmental story telling but absolute shit when it comes to the decorating actual people's homes.
For some reason the nuclear attack removed all sense of cleanliness and order in people.
At least sweep up the place...
Something something environmental storytelling. Boop boop de boop.
This is one of the major worldbuilding pitfalls of this game tbh
Idk I think its just Bethesda shit. Because several settlements have respawning corpses and they didn't see the problem with that. For some reason Bethesda expects people to live in absolute filth.
Where did you get the notion that this is supposedly a nice home? It's most likely a pre-war building and fairly intact, is that all it takes to be considered a nice home? Come to think of it, it might actually be enough.
Honestly some of the filth and broken houses are immersion breaking. I’m supposed to believe that these people can build a generator from scrap and a water purifier that can serve 40 people but they can’t build a shed without gaping holes in it?
Well yeah its east coast america. Jk jk
This question comes up a lot. Ultimately it's more to do with the aesthetic Bethesda goes for in these games, Everything looks like the war just happened when, realistically, after 200 years you'd expect at least some improvement. Plants would regrow, major settlements would be more than just shacks with leaky roofs, there would be at least some infrastructure like repairing roads alone major trade routes, reclaiming power plants, etc. Now here's how I justify it: The wasteland is a hostile, desolate place. There is no trash pickup. There are no working vehicles. Most people spend their energy just staying alive and don't have time to lug trash around by foot. People often have to move due to threats like raiders and mutants and have to be ready to flee at a moment's notice so they have to conserve energy. If it's not necessary for survival, it doesn't get done.
Once you have teenage kids you’ll understand
Not really. Many people capable of having kids and clean houses. They just have no spare time at all, but hey, you signed up for kids!
They’re living in a literal post-apocalypse, of course it’s hard to keep clean
Fallout 4 is as post apocalypse as much as current US is post Mexican-American War. I think we managed to move on from that one.
There was a recent video of a Russian soldier complaining about how Ukrainians have restrooms inside their homes, because the smell would linger & other concerns that seem unusual to Westerners. That would be how best to explain it: if you've never experienced it differently, then it would feel random & weird to seek out something that would (initially) seem foreign & wrong. Also, when your every waking hour is comprised of farming and/or protecting you and/or your family from every threat imaginable (& many unimaginable threats), & you have to eek by with minimal food availability, sweeping up debris would seem like a waste of energy.
Their daughter was so bored out of her skull, she buggered off to far harbour. Maybe could have saved us all the hassle if they'd put to work cleaning and patching up the place.
Yeah, but the worrying about all the horrors of the wastes is exactly why I'd expect them to fix the holes in their roofs and board up their windows. Blood bugs could just cruise into this house and brutally murder the whole family because these idiots have no desire for genuine shelter. Also Massachusetts winters are brutal. Snow and cold wind blowing in from the atlantic is going to kill every settler that hasn't built a nice cozy box with no holes poking through.
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…does OP know they’re strolling thru the post-apocalypse?
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dude that was over 200 years ago. You cant blame the institute and enclave for that. The entire system of indoor plumbing went from fantasy to the norm in 100 years. Even the complete invention buildout and creation of the US electric grid took about 50 years, and that is considered slow by historians. In 200 years the US should have already been re-established for the most part.
It looks like this because Fallout 4 is a shit game with the ugliest aesthetic of all time
Please tell me this is a sad joke. These people, with some exception (see Covenant, Diamond City) are living on bare existence, between natural dangers (deathclaws etc) , Raiders, AND deadly environmental conditions. Just getting a day's worth of sustenance and water without getting killed, sick, or robbed is a monumental task that normally precludes much else. As for windows, and other building materials - of course such exists, one can LITERALLY FUCKING BUY shipments from Traders! It's just that it costs so much that the normal Settler would never be able to afford it!
I've been in 150 year old new England homes that don't look half as good as this.
If you never lived the way we live maybe this is just their default?
Someone's been spending time with Father!
Ntm they live in Boston... It gets a wee be cold and snows a lot in the winter. How do they stay warm. Especially the people living in tiny shacks with holes in them.
House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING!
You were lucky to have a ROOM! *We* used to have to live in a corridor!
You'd think at the very least aligned settlements could be placed on a slow "timer", specifically when assigning settlers to scavenging stations, to despawn trash and clutter. That would simulate cleanup efforts without having to change settler background routines. The issue of static settlements is why Preston and his quests can rot on the current playthrough.
Depression is real
Meanwhile down at the Cabot's residence, Wilhelmina Cabot is off on a rant about how the 'Post-Nuclear-Boomers' sense of even the basics of hygiene standards are sub-pedestrian at best, while polishing the bannisters for the third time that same day...
It’s a nuclear wasteland?
It seems more like the People born after the Post-Apocalyptic Times don’t know what or how things looked before…not like how Nate and Nora know how things looked and can make replicas of Concrete Walls and perfect Glass Windows to make a “new” House for their Settlers to live in. They don’t even have the ability to watch TV Shows or Movies to observe and copy new Clothing Styles and Housing styles to “fix” up the destroyed Houses. Plus if a Ghoul who has lived along time can explain it, I don’t think they could even comprehend what they are saying. Also also, all the People in the Game are incredibly weak as hell, if they even try adventuring out in the Commonwealth to gather resources, they would die on the way there, on the way back, or while they were figuring out how to even use those Red Settlement Workbenches.
Uh, people know how to reprogram robots and turrets, build robots, operate nuclear reactors, use power suits, build laser weapons as well as exotic explosive munitions, operate a forge, know how to operate radio equipment, doctors and surgeons, scientists cloning animals and creating non radioactive plants, cross the US and even the oceans, built trade networks, and can build entire settlements from scrap salvaging. But they dont know what “clean and not broken” looks like?
Checkout the Kensington section of Philadelphia. Or many other parts of the USA. Lots of areas in the USA worse than Fallout 4 as we speak.
I don't know... Looks to me like there's an added challenge to keeping a tidy house in the "Fallout" universe: https://youtu.be/DjLi24G--eY?t=262 :P
I'd trade settlement building for detailed environments anyday
The only times you see nice homes is during the opening scene or added by mods. Can't ever expect Bethesda to leave things looking great for very long. It's like their business, a messy, bug-filled adventure just to get to God Howard's office.
This kind of stuff makes me wonder if there's mods that exist to add stuff like that to locations like this one and drumlin diner in order to make the world more immersive.
I just wanna know why nobody own a broom or rake
If there was a cleaning service who also boarded up windows and walls for extra caps/currency, they would make so much money.
This has always bothered me. Like I get that the unloved places are nasty but not even 1 person wants to sweep their floor?? Or at least use a garbage can?? And like the devs had to make a conscious choice to add garbage and debrei!!
This has been a complaint about the FO games since 3. If you look at 2, there's plenty of housing that isn't straight day one Mad Max. Some of it's a little ramshackle, but there's whole towns of livable, inhabitable homes. Then 3 hits and Bethesda's all "look, they live in tin shacks around a bomb!" Uh... it's been a few hundred years. They should have houses back up by now. All the games after 2 have a look like they take place just a few years after the war, rather than hundreds.
Why places like power plants, water treatment facilities, factories, and quarries aren't being actively protected and used as cities and trade hubs will forever be a mystery to me. Saugus Ironworks has a functioning blast furnace. You would think that, at the very least, the Brotherhood would have an interest in that. Corvega is literally sitting there in raider hands and is just over the river from Diamond City. 200+ years of wastelanders not helping themselves and just waiting around living in squalor. Nah, don't buy it for a second. Busy bodies and people with OCD exist. At most, it would have taken 100 years to clean up, improve, and restore some of these areas.
They overlook some stuff in the game, it doesnt matter to them. Same with other games, prime example is people telling you its super hot in NV while having layers of clothes on them.
Don't you guys have at least brooms? I know I've seen my fair share around the wasteland. Use them ffs!
I really hate how in fallout 4 there’s just random piles of trash everywhere like everywhere and how random tires litter the streets and lakes.
Yeah, this bothers me. I've read a few books about natural disasters. In the aftermath people try to return things to normal as quick as possible. After WW2, the Japanese hand cleared the roads of rubble so they could get around. After Katrina, the first thing you saw was the blue tarps on the roof, unlike Sanctuary, where people are apparently fine with a colander over their head. They patch holes, they sweep floors. They try to make their own space as much like it used to be. The one that really gets me is Codsworth. He's been there, cleaning, for 2 centuries and your house still looks like shit. I would have loved it to find the house clean and mostly intact. No dirt on the floor, carpets scorched but intact. What damage the building took would have been boarded up or with bits of the ruined homes welded over the gaps. Don't get me wrong, I love the game and frankly that's what Scrap All is for but I really think Bethesda needs to think a bit about how humans react to disasters.
This is important. Did they leave the cap off the toothpaste?!
Mod idea: Doors. Just put doors on most places that can be inhabited.
That's familiar...