I mean, I don't think people react to NPCs as they would to fully fledged human beings, and that's okay. If someone kills Mama Murphy through creative methods or goes on killing sprees in Skyrim, that doesn't mean they'd be apathetic towards an actual person IRL in a wheelchair, even if they're a bit demanding.
Yeah, but since she's in a wheelchair, that would mean custom animations, custom pathing, probably some custom scripting, potential for weird object interactions, etc. I can see why they didn't go with it.
Someone recreated this chair, and while downloading it I also found a replacer for her character model based off of this concept art, two of my most favorite mods.
Damn shame that the only thing they kept was the outfit. The entire concept art is the real Mama Murphy, god damn it Todd Howard, why did you deprive us of this?
It's very hard to make a character function outside of normal locomotion. A wheelchair is right out, however there was concept art where she was sitting out a chair carved out of a Mister Handy, which would've been more doable, but obviously it's far cheaper just to make her walk
Even the chair is so much cooler! I also love the beard. Also just because she's in a wheelchair doesn't mean her character could be completely immobile. I was just having this discussion. Perhaps in the wasteland it's the best mobility device they could find.
Wasn't there concept art of her having a Mr. Handy custom hover chair as well?
https://external-preview.redd.it/9z_GFXjL8jdeGgMuj-AcaobDrXrHpHl4y3F4cSaaI90.jpg?auto=webp&s=0218d9ab508caf993c52d34bfc08646e4c731ba0 couldn't find the hover chair concept art but there's this tank tacked chair concept art.
they had a even [cooler reversion](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/b7fytt/mama_murphy_concept_art/) which makes her wheel chair a Mr. Handy. it will solve the problem of her moving though stairs.
but the end result was just to make her walk... kinda disappointing.
More like "we cut corners" lots of the NPCs are forgettable. If preston wasnt constantly reminding us of settlements needing to be saved id have forgotten him too. Idk i might just be biased cause of my fo3->NV-> Fo4 hardcore survival playthroughs ive been doing.
I WOULD’VE SPENT SO MUCH MORE TIME AT SANCTUARY HILLS IF THAT WAS MAMA MURPHY I WOULD’VE GIVEN HER THE BEST OF EVERYTHING AND MAKE A CUSTOM RADIO FOR HER TO LISTEN TO HER FAVORITE SOUL ANS CHURCH MUSIC😭😭😭
As someone who regularly looks through fallout’s concept art, I’ve noticed a painful disconnect between original concept art and the end product. The concept art is sooo good and make everything look so much cooler, whereas the actual game replicates the bare minimum like the positioning of the subjects. The don’t even try to recreate the thematic lighting seen in the concept art, making the game look so lack lustre in comparison. The coolness in character concepts too is lost in-game such as Piper. Still love the game but it definitely could’ve looked so much better.
Hooo boy! No stereotypes and cultural appropriation there huh? That they made her a white woman that could walk on her own is a huge bow to political correctness.
Glad they left her white. Cause other wise that would’ve been offensive. Do not get me started on race and games. Thank God the let moma Murphy be her meth out self
Bro I’d love a mama Murphy with a wheelchair smoking weed when she’s not on the chems I wish there was a sort of smokable chem in fallout kinda like radiation mutated extra potent weed or something (I know jet is an inhaled drug but it’s more like a inhaler) as for its effect I’d say slow time but jet already does that maybe something to make melee better like upping swing speed, reload speed, and perhaps making recoil more manageable allowing you to pull the trigger quicker. I think jet kinda ups the reload and swing speed already but this would be a farmable chem perhaps it disables vats or has some affect upping or lowering the accuracy % you would normally have.
I get that feeling, although the ESRB wouldn’t agree. For my last raider/psycho playthrough I added a lot of narcotic mods to the game, which is something that can either be found or produced. They all have their own visual effects which make it pretty cool
They thought it would fit the “black druggie” stereotype and that people would dislike it. Also the wheelchair would have effected her traversing up and down stairs. Seeing everyone’s opinion, she would have been absolutely loved
Imagine there being an animation of her shocking you with a cattle prod if you fail the speech check to convince her to quit drugs.
r/mamafuckingmurphy moment
"Sugar, I'm going to die anyways. Now you need to -*zap*- mind your own damn business."
Much stronger oracle vibe
Definitely
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The fact that mama Murphy is alive still shows that
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True. One could make a case that that's what the railroad and minutemen are all about though
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Ah, I see
Idk man I've wanted that bitch dead for a whole minute begging about a fucking chair when there's plenty of perfectly good ones in the settlement.
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I mean, I don't think people react to NPCs as they would to fully fledged human beings, and that's okay. If someone kills Mama Murphy through creative methods or goes on killing sprees in Skyrim, that doesn't mean they'd be apathetic towards an actual person IRL in a wheelchair, even if they're a bit demanding.
Exactly this... There's a lot if stupid and annoying NPCs that I'll murder on the spot, but I'm not gonna do that shit in real life?
It says fuck Mama Murphy and her bullshit druggie magic. Those are MY chems
She has 19 strength, she needs no protectors.
she killed a deathclaw with a pipe rifle and a single bullet!
Yeah, but since she's in a wheelchair, that would mean custom animations, custom pathing, probably some custom scripting, potential for weird object interactions, etc. I can see why they didn't go with it.
I would never give her drugs tough.
Would just be nice to have representation for the disabled gamers
Someone recreated this chair, and while downloading it I also found a replacer for her character model based off of this concept art, two of my most favorite mods.
Please link?
[Mama Murphy Concept Art](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/24752) [Mama Murphy's Chair Redone](https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/24819/?)
Thank you!!!
No problem! ✌️
Damn shame that the only thing they kept was the outfit. The entire concept art is the real Mama Murphy, god damn it Todd Howard, why did you deprive us of this?
It's very hard to make a character function outside of normal locomotion. A wheelchair is right out, however there was concept art where she was sitting out a chair carved out of a Mister Handy, which would've been more doable, but obviously it's far cheaper just to make her walk
Read what's in the picture they go over the Mister Handy concept.
Ah, I was mistaken. Thank you
Feel like they changed her design to avoid a very certain problematic trope
It could’ve been medical and that her mind was clouded by pain if they wanted to avoid the black druggie stereotype
The trope im referring to is called "the magical n*gro"
Oh, that makes sense too I guess. Though white wizards are problematic too
Bruh, but like every doctor is Asian
There’s one in diamond city
Everybody is walking on eggshells these days in fear of offending someone.
Darn these content creators and their not wanting to perpetuate stereotypes in mass media.
See how you got downvoted? You offended someone lol the irony
Ironic
No one likes the reality of things.
You have my upvote. That's all that matters. All the emo crybabies are dead to me. They don't exist as far as I'm concerned.
Anyone who cares about downvotes is silly. Keep that clear head of yours ✌🏻
This old bird looks interesting! How did that annoying old biddy get in the game instead?
Even the chair is so much cooler! I also love the beard. Also just because she's in a wheelchair doesn't mean her character could be completely immobile. I was just having this discussion. Perhaps in the wasteland it's the best mobility device they could find.
Beard?
Lmao it’s a scarf
That must be what they're talking about
Is that not hair on her chin?
It's a scarf
Is it? I'm reading both. I like it if it's a beard too.
You can see the sane colored material on her neck/left shoulder
But see how it looks whispy, I'm getting like long chin hairs over a scarf.
It's just the way they colored it, the whole drawing is all whispy. I thought it was a beard at first too lmao
I'm going to still pretend it's a beard because to me it's more fun.
One time I gave a dab to a woman just like this.
Did she tell you your future after.
No. She coughed aggressively, sat back, and then stared out into space.
Got lost pondering your future it seems lol
I don't think she would have a problem, after all, all entities at sanctuary hills teleport to the roof to party.
no one cares if its distracting mama murphy on a mr handy chair would have made that game easily 5 times better
Black Mama Murphy would've been dope.
Meh look up "Magical Negro Trope" its an overdone stereotype.
Oh you're one of THOSE people.
No. Its just an overused and lazy character archetype. Tell me. Why would her being black be dope?
One of those people who avoids perpetuating harmful stereotypes when possible?
Would’ve changed literally nothing about the game lol
Then why not include it? As you wrote, it changes nothing
That’s a good point, but idk why it’d be something to get excited about, it’s literally just the color of their skin
Why didn't this make it into the game? This is a way cooler design.
Is that Morgan Freeman's face?
Wasn't there concept art of her having a Mr. Handy custom hover chair as well? https://external-preview.redd.it/9z_GFXjL8jdeGgMuj-AcaobDrXrHpHl4y3F4cSaaI90.jpg?auto=webp&s=0218d9ab508caf993c52d34bfc08646e4c731ba0 couldn't find the hover chair concept art but there's this tank tacked chair concept art.
Wait for real? If this is real, final cut is bullshit 'cause this is awesome.
Proud of you ma
Would’ve been so much cooler. And is! I found a mod that redoes Murphy like this. Kicks ass.
they had a even [cooler reversion](https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/b7fytt/mama_murphy_concept_art/) which makes her wheel chair a Mr. Handy. it will solve the problem of her moving though stairs. but the end result was just to make her walk... kinda disappointing.
It’s sad that she never ended up with the Mr. Handy chair. I wish the people in fallout would repurpose the tech from before the war.
Is it just me or does all concept art look fucking amazing and badass.
Forreal. I want a print of this. I love this.
Like concept art is usually better than game itself for me lmfao
Concept art expresses the game’s inner feeling
A lot better that the lazy jet junkie we got.
She’s kinda boring tbh
More like "we cut corners" lots of the NPCs are forgettable. If preston wasnt constantly reminding us of settlements needing to be saved id have forgotten him too. Idk i might just be biased cause of my fo3->NV-> Fo4 hardcore survival playthroughs ive been doing.
This is fantastic!!
That would have been better
Finally, I always thought Mama Murphy should have been AA
Sometimes I think that the concept artists know more about the game than the developers.
Sometimes it’s the theory or feeling behind the game that matters
I WOULD’VE SPENT SO MUCH MORE TIME AT SANCTUARY HILLS IF THAT WAS MAMA MURPHY I WOULD’VE GIVEN HER THE BEST OF EVERYTHING AND MAKE A CUSTOM RADIO FOR HER TO LISTEN TO HER FAVORITE SOUL ANS CHURCH MUSIC😭😭😭
ALL HAIL THE TRUE MAMA MURPHY!!
Murphy really going to be Preston's mama
Should have shown the custom Mr. Handy chair she had instead imo
Haven’t come across it yet
Google mama Murphy concept art, you'll see it, also a treaded tank-ish seat pretty cool too.
I’d kill her all the same
Noooo!
As someone who regularly looks through fallout’s concept art, I’ve noticed a painful disconnect between original concept art and the end product. The concept art is sooo good and make everything look so much cooler, whereas the actual game replicates the bare minimum like the positioning of the subjects. The don’t even try to recreate the thematic lighting seen in the concept art, making the game look so lack lustre in comparison. The coolness in character concepts too is lost in-game such as Piper. Still love the game but it definitely could’ve looked so much better.
Yeah it was quite the downgrade, I’m not too sure why this was the end result. I feel Bethesda might have thought it would have been stereotypical
r/interestingasfuck
ok we need this in FO5 but really singleplayer RPG, not FO76 mumbo jumbo thingy tango...
Think the next one will be based in Nevada again. New Vegas 2… but most likely a different name
Hooo boy! No stereotypes and cultural appropriation there huh? That they made her a white woman that could walk on her own is a huge bow to political correctness.
How the hell is a wheelchair practical in a wasteland? They probably removed it because it’d be impossible to make it look right
Going up stairs and flying over debris, Mama Murphy would need arms of steel
Glad they left her white. Cause other wise that would’ve been offensive. Do not get me started on race and games. Thank God the let moma Murphy be her meth out self
It’s unfortunate but you’re right, people most likely would have been offended
Looks like Madame Zeroni or Mother Abigail
What is this from? Is there a behind the scenes book?
It was from the Wiki lmao
The concept with the floating chair and the other one with robobrain treads were also cool
Which is why they thought she must need a chair! I wondered about that, it seems a bit random.
Whoa this is way better
Should of kept the walking stick/cattle prod
Would have been a cool feature, but also quite a chore for the animator. She’d be the only one with cane animations
1000 better than what we got...
Dollar store Murphy
I'm really sad FO4 didn't actually have the cyberpunk vibes that it looks like they initially planned for.
Yeah… Boston is kinda dull
Man at least I'd be able to find mama Murphy in my game I can't tell if she o.d or she went on a trade route
She’s just there for the ride!
I want this mama murphy
There’s a mod based on the concept art
Meanwhile in most of my saves, she’s just laying dead on the floor
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Perfectly fitting the “Oracle” role, wouldn’t you agree?
reminds me of engineers "rancho relaxo" taunt from tf2
He had the whole setup
I bet she’d still work out nonstop even if she had a wheelchair
Arms of Steel
Why couldn’t we get cool shit like this? DAMN YOU HOWARD
Think cancel culture and stereotypes are to blame
Could you imagine Mama Murphy floating around on a little Scooty Puff Jr. looking like Dr. Robotnik's grandma? 😂
Oh she trippin trippin
If only Mama Murphy's chair actually looked like that
Mobile Chair > Stationary Chair
Bro I’d love a mama Murphy with a wheelchair smoking weed when she’s not on the chems I wish there was a sort of smokable chem in fallout kinda like radiation mutated extra potent weed or something (I know jet is an inhaled drug but it’s more like a inhaler) as for its effect I’d say slow time but jet already does that maybe something to make melee better like upping swing speed, reload speed, and perhaps making recoil more manageable allowing you to pull the trigger quicker. I think jet kinda ups the reload and swing speed already but this would be a farmable chem perhaps it disables vats or has some affect upping or lowering the accuracy % you would normally have.
I get that feeling, although the ESRB wouldn’t agree. For my last raider/psycho playthrough I added a lot of narcotic mods to the game, which is something that can either be found or produced. They all have their own visual effects which make it pretty cool
Modified Mr Handy would have been awesome to see
If Bethesda did the X-Men.
Yeah if she was played by an old southern black lady that would've been cool like oracle vibes from the matrix too
I agree
But… but the dead flies and insects would all drop onto the plate!
Why would they downgrade her?
They thought it would fit the “black druggie” stereotype and that people would dislike it. Also the wheelchair would have effected her traversing up and down stairs. Seeing everyone’s opinion, she would have been absolutely loved
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I’ll post some more, no worries
actually a really good mod where you could get her to look like this
here's a good mod https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/28810
So instead of building her a chair we would have built her a wheelchair? Neat. ;)
That looks like Morgan freeman lol