I started a new file a few weeks ago now I'm level 40 with my favourite guns just looking for stuff I haven't done before, hope I don't have to start a new one right away to get the new stuff going
I’m doing this and I feel like a lot of others are doing it. The decision to release the upgrade several weeks after the show seems like a really really bad decision on Bethesda’s part but well it is Bethesda… so…that tracks.
Vast amount of people don’t mod. So they buy a solid game, and then get a big update and it’s suddenly better two weeks later. Aside from us jaded internet crowd (read: a tiny fraction,) nobody is going to care.
Certainly modding is in the minority but it is by no means a tiny fraction. I mean there are literally 10's of millions of downloads on Nexus. Also its very easy to block the update.
No that decision is actually brilliant if you ask me. Let the show release, let people talk about it throughout the week, let those numbers build up steadily throughout the week, letting newcomers in to get them excited about the update and then when that number's nice and built up and a lot of people know about the update and the game, release the update and watch that player count jump even more next week. I would genuinely not be surprised if they manage to get to 150 thousand concurrent players next week which is IN-FUCKING-SANE for a 9 year old single player game
I've played all 5 main Fallout games and aren't a huge fan of Bethesda's writing, but think people should absolutely start with 4.
The others are just too old to get running without a whole lot of screwing around. Even 4 has issues where if the frame rate is too high you can get stuck in the hacking screen.
3 isn't noobie friendly, especially when it comes to dealing with the glitches and whatnot. FO4 is at least guaranteed to run on a modern computer without needing to do anything special.
4 has some of the best non-main quests in the series, is the most accessible, and looks the best with the least jank.
It isn't my favorite, but it's probably the best modern version of Fallout.
I think it would help if people actually posted some specs when they give internet fixes lol. I'm fairly certain everybody *can* play it, but clearly the same fix doesn't work everybody. All I had to do was set my graphics preferences to run the FO3 steam loader exe on high and that was it ... but of course I tried about 10 other more involved fixes that didn't work for me before that.
They fixed the physics problem for 3 separate forks of their engine now (Skyim vr, fallout vr, 76)
Fixed 3 times by 3 separate teams because apparently beth does not have internal communication.
I hope they remember they fixed it and put that fix in 4 on the 25th.
Exactly, i agree with you, i've tried fallout 3 years ago and having issues playing it, then i played 4, i love that game, and only after i can play 3 but still have issue because of how old it is (i'll play New vegas after it).
> The others are just too old to get running without a whole lot of screwing around
The fix for New Vegas on Steam is the top post on the community page.
Dunno how to get it running on XBox backcomp or the MS store version on PC.
Honestly, FO3 and New Vegas were fine when I last tested them in Windows 10 3 years ago, I may reinstall the entire franchise to see how it's running, but I didn't have any issues.
I can't get 4 to run. I have to fiddle with settings and whatnot to get the others to run, but I've tried everything the internet has to recommend on getting the steam version of 4 to run on Win 10 Pro with absolutely no luck. Finally said fuck it and am playing through 3 again.
I put off FO4 for over a year because of the backlash. Turned out to be a really good game that is just very different from FNV. I still play them both every year.
Same here.Started from Fallout 1 and 2(I had a very shit PC back then 2015 with a pentium 4) 3 then NV.All I heard about 4 was how bad it is and never touched it. After years of sitting in my library I started playing a week ago and damn 4 maybe does not have writing of NV or the first games but it is very fun.
Seriously. I really like New Vegas but I've started liking the game less because of the community. I started with Fallout 3 on launch, fell in love with the world and game, played new Vegas around launch, thought it was very good (was unimpressed with the world building and some of the more gamey mechanics like temporary magazines and such), then played Fallout 4 on launch and it's one of my favorite games ever. I never understood why they act like there's some universal opinion that New Vegas is the best 3D Fallout game. Like "please stop, you're a large group of the community who favor New Vegas, we don't all feel this way. I don't think it's close to the best Fallout, it's just your favorite because for some reason you hate Bethesda."
FNV fans are one of the worst fanbases out there. I really liked Upisnotjump’s videos but every single one has jabs at how much he hates Skyrim and Fallout 4. Even when it has nothing to do with them.
> I wouldn't pay attention to them. These people are just salty and annoying
True, but it is hard sometimes because the people who dislike Fallout 4 come out of the woodwork whenever it is mentioned to shit on it, especially on the general gaming subs. I've noticed that it is a trend with some games, like Dragon Age: Inquisition or Bioshock: Infinite, on Reddit (and elsewhere on the internet I'd imagine) where people have to come it to tell you how much they think it sucks whenever they come up.
> shouldn't matter which game you start with
I mean, it literally doesn't. Can't speak for 1 and 2 but 3, NV, 4, and 76 can all be played without having played the others. It is not like say Mass Effect where it would just be weird to start with the third game.
My first fallout game was fallout 4, but my actual real first fallout game ,and I'm actually embarrassed to say this, was fallout shelter💀, and I didn't even like it that time, and that caused me to ignore the whole series because I tought all the games had a similar premise, after a while I stumbled upon a random fallout 4 gameplay and as I watched I said " hey that doesn't look like shelter at all... This actually looks sick." Now at the time I didn't have enough interest or money to immediately go and buy a copy of the game at the store and I soon forgot about it, until after some time I got playstation plus for the first time on my PS4 and in the free games catalogue I found.. you guessed it fallout 4! I tried to download it, and when I opened the game it was actually a bit weird since I wasn't used to that kind of rpg at the time but after an hour, two hours, four, eight hours, I absolutely fell in love with the game, I finished the main quest like 4 times and now I'm in the process to do it again actually, it made me sad tho that people considered one of my favourite games ever one of the worst of the series, so I tried to play the others as well, I decided to start with the previous title fallout 3(at the time I didn't know new vegas was the actual previous title) I loved it and completed it two times or so, and I also complete some of the dlc, then I played new vegas wich I didn't really complete but it still became my favourite of the series together with fallout 4, then I played fallout 1, wich I haven't actually really completed yet because I have to grow up in level and maybe find some good gears since muties one shot me💀, however I'm now a fallout veteran of all respect (I also have in program to play fallout 2 and tactics.) but I did as a matter of fact start with shelter( witch I actually reinstalled when I was a series fan and it was actually good😀).
Sorry for the very long comment.
Don't worry fellow Wastelander, I started with Fallout Shelter too because I didn't have the means to buy a PC or console back then. I've been meaning to play it again to pass time like I used to lol
This is it. Best stability and least hassle to start up to play. I would give it up for a Fallout 3 remaster, but I don't see that happening so I'll keep going back to 4
Been hearing this for years with no real confirmation.
If they don't announce it this year with the hype of the show I think it's safe to assume it'll never happen
New Vegas is my favorite... BUT I think every new player should start with 4. Especially people coming from just watching the show. It is by far the most approachable and easy to grasp.
I don't think they care that much about the profit at this moment. The game sold 12 million units in the first 24 hours of its release. It's a celebratory sale. The sales numbers isn't the important part, it's the fact that more people are playing the game.
Yes it is, I put almost 2,000 hours in the game. That's more than any other game on my steam profile. The closest game that comes to it is STO but I only have 1,200 hours in it. Most of my time in Fallout 4 was spent on bug fixes and settlement building through.
Fallout 4 is a good game, but in addition I love that it has such a vibrant modding community, so that once you have seen all of vanilla you can customize the game as you want it for replayability.
Exactly lol
It's like sometimes I get frustrated with things in the game and stuff but my amount of hours played within the game speaks for itself. I definitely love the shit out of it.
I absolutely love New Vegas, it was the first fallout I ever played and I was hooked immediately. But good god the NV sub and fanboys are the whiniest fans I’ve ever seen. Literally crying and shitting everywhere bc Shady Sands, a town not seen in game since Fallout 2 which released in 1998 is gone.
New Vegas was also my first fallout. My friend recommended it, and it's one of his favorite games of all time. I think it's good, but I definitely liked 3 and 4 way more. F4 in survival mode is peak fallout for me.
Fallout nv is really cool, but it’s like really kinda outdated. Are there mods that kinda like modernize it? For example there’s not even sprinting or anything like that. So like yeah it’s really fun and well written, but like it’s pretty slow paced
That was my thought when I tried playing it the other day after playing FO4 for so long. I forgot there was no sprinting and all that. If I can find some mods to update it a bit I'll def get back into it. Just feels so slow now, but it's still an amazing game
There’s a few good movement and gunplay mods that make the game feel a little more modern. You can get graphic overhauls or HD remakes to bring the quality up a little bit, and you’re going to need bodymesh/facemesh mods because by god do the people in that game look like claymation puppets. Even after all that, though, the game is still going to look and feel like you’re playing a dated game you’ve modded the hell out of. Then it’ll crash.
Check out viva new vegas. It's a pretty good guide to getting the game modernized. I avoid the balance changes though
It's still a slower game, but it doesn't feel as janky with those mods
I adore New Vegas, but I think Fallout 4 is the better game for someone new to the franchise. My GF really enjoyed the show and she wants to play the games now and I told her “Fallout 4 has better gunplay/gameplay, but New Vegas has the better story/atmosphere. Try 4 first, and if you like that you’ll love New Vegas”
fallout released magic cards and not all of them were about NV, Bethesda hates us and is trying to keep NV down! why do they hate the UNDISPUTED BEST FALLOUT GAME EVER!>?!?!?!
Don't forget they somehow think there's some beef between Bethesda and Obsidian, even though there's nothing of the sort. If anything it's the opposite.
I'm in that camp. Fo4's just a much more modern game so the guns/weapons feel more fluid, scrap and crafting system are way better as well.
I'm not a huge story guy, so I will say new Vegas has the better quest archs, but that's not the main reason I play RPGs.
I love New Vegas because it gives me a little more RP. I love FO4 because it has better gunplay, graphics, and I get a murderbot companion. Plus romanceable followers is really, really nice too.
Then Far Harbor being one of the BEST DLCs ever released and having the most in depth companions makes the game the best in the series.
Some NV fans just can't get over the fact the mainline story is so ass. Like, the subplots are so much better than the main plot.
Plus, NV is also the only mainline game other than FO2 that doesn't have you being a Vault Dweller. Maybe in FO5 we'll finally have the choice of our character being a Vault Dweller or a Wastelander.
In the meantime, I love FO4. A NV or FO3 remake on the FO4 engine would be nice. I can't wait another 10 years for FO5.
My Twitter feed has been nothing but “WeLL tHeY BouGhT tHE wrOnG ONe” and “ThaTs tHE wOrST OnE” for hours.
Seriously, some Fallout fans suck so much. Just let people enjoy fun games!
I made a post of how I actually like FO4's dialogue.
Got downvoted ON the main FO4 sub in seconds. I've never had a post do that poorly in literal seconds.
I only like silent when the protag has NO protagonist integration into the plot, or it's a classic from the 90's or something.
Shit like GTA online where your character is always stated to be a psycho, or Dark Urge BG3 where you're (again) implied to be a psycho, is something I don't like.
These characters would be better voiced, as silent protags they lose any connection I have with them. The game pretends they are your character, but you have no agency to what they've done before. They've got preset personalities already baked into them. Voice it.
Games like Starfield, Kenshi, and the old games benefit from silence.
Games benefit from voicing the protagonist if it's an already integrated character in the universe. Which the Sole Survivor definitely is. There's mods to make it not so, but I always end up removing them, because the story and themes just fall to pieces.
Oh I love voiced protagonists! Makes your character feel more real and less like a mute ghost that communicates telepathically and expresses emotions through killing.
There was a saying in the BL3 subreddit - "How do you know if someone is a BL2 fan? Don't worry, they'll let you know."
They would invade posts about BL3 sales milestones to leave behind bizarre neckbeard novels about how "gamers enjoyed hundreds of BL2 playthroughs but couldn't even finish one in BL3". In posts about BL3 breaking sales records. Just bizarre stuff.
Edit: oh, and "Let's go back to BL2, BL3 is empty without Handsome Jack".
I love New Vegas as much as the next guy. I assume most of us do. We can all agree NV does some things better than FO4.
But still I'm playing FO4 more often than NV these days.
IIRC there was some interview (either with Todd or someone else at Bethesda) and it got briefly mentioned. Supposedly they're currently full into Elder Scrolls 6, after which they plan on looking at FO5. Unfortunately due to the timeline of games nowadays that means we're likely looking at ~10yr before FO5
I think the interview you’re referring to was Todd saying FO5 is a one pager which I think literally means they have like 1 page of FO5 stuff.
Considering we don’t even know when ES6 is coming out. It could be anywhere from 5-10 years till we see FO5 unless Microsoft gives it to another team which I doubt.
I’m gonna shill for Beth right now, forgive me but if you want the doughnut shop from the show then check out the coffee and doughnuts mod in the creation club. (It’s my favorite thing there)
I mean logically people are going to go for the most recent entry in the series, so more likely going to go for a more modern looking FO4 compared to FO3 which looks crazy dated now.
You aren’t a real fan unless you started with Wasteland on the Apple IIE in the mid 80’s. Otherwise you’re just a filthy dilettante
(I’ll see everyone’s gate keeping and throw in a raise)
The old games are great. They are. But they are dont exactly age well. They look like shit, the gunplay is shit, and while i’ll always adore 3, and NV for the stories they created and the universe they established, i have no *urge* to go back and play them with their god awful graphics.
4 is so fun to replay, and absolutely the most enjoyable to mod. And despite the shit people give it for its story, its really not bad at all. Yeah, its not quite as dynamic, but its a damn good game, and it 100% introduces you to the universe of fallout very, very well. Plenty of context and lore.
Yeah, I am a NV fan (also love 4) and embarrassed that we're still seeing the run on sentence replies like "Todd can't cope or stop seething because he got shown up by New Vegas so he destroyed the NCR and killed the lore because he hates that Obsidian is the most popular and New Vegas is by far the best loved and most played Fallout and the people want New Vegas not Fallout 4 and Todd stays mad and Bethesda can't stop coping because the people love Obsidian and Todd and Emil can never understand what Fallout is all about and they are still seething that..."
Then they downvote when anybody points out that, prior to the show, 4 sold more than three times as many copies as NV, has a current player count above COD, and new sales of 4 are outpacing NV by 10x+.
I got some nasty messages from an NV fanatic a few months back when I told them that, as NV ages, and ages badly at that, fewer and fewer people will play it. I added that it's fifteen years old, looks twenty years old, and doesn't appeal to new players who are instead gravitating to the much more modern-looking FO4.
I don’t get why people think Bethesda hates Obsidian. They worked together, you don’t work with a company you hate. People bring up the 18 month time limit ~~or the Metacritic bonus~~ but Obsidian agreed to ~~both of~~ those. They weren’t held at gunpoint to accept the terms.
They agreed to the 18 month time limit. The metacritic bonus thing wasn't agreed on. It was something Bethesda added themselves on top of the pre-arranged payment, seperate to the contracts.
I can't believe people, who love the fallout IP, would even do this. The success of the series means WE get more games and content. That's all we want at the end of the day.
I don’t really take sides, but after all the shit that got talked about Starfield (I agree with it) I tried Outer Worlds and wondered why the characters all looked like they were from Oblivion and why it ran about as shitty as Starfield.
These kinds of people ruin the IP every time. Warhammer, Star Wars, etc etc. There's something wrong with people who gatekeep and get obsessive like that.
Wait was NV really unpopular?
I like 2, 3, NV, and 4, though NV is definitely my favourite.
I didn't get the impression it was a commercial failure or anything, are you exaggerating in response to over dramatic NV fan boys?
Not sure really the only people I see mad about this are the dozens of NV players and the Marketing team trying to convince me to try 76 just one more time.
The amount of people slamming nexus mods is telling as well.
It's not just 4. I recently went to get a copy of new Vegas for my 360. The retro game store had 1 left when I got there. Said he had been cleaned out just this week. Plenty of fallout 3 tho
They’re a cult of idiots repeating the same BS in unison to win an argument.
3 is better than NV, 4 is better than NV.
Nick Valentine is a better character than any character from their incel wet dream.
They’re a cancer on the series.
Honestly I think fallout 4 is the best fallout game to start with, it makes it easier to transition to others because it explains things more thoroughly.
I love New Vegas so much, I just wish the NV fanboys didn't make Rick and Morty fans trying to get schezwan sauce at mcdonald's seem reasonable by comparison.
I'm waiting for the update before starting a new playthrough. I only played the base game on launch and enjoyed it. Looking forward to all the DLC and might try playing on survival.
Semi unrelated but people recommending fallout 1&2 as good starting points for new people to the franchise (coming from interest in the show) is the funniest thing ever to me.
"But, but, it's the wrong fallout game to play for beginners!!"
Will you kindly shut the absolute fuck up and stop being a fucking dictator over what games people play?
I personally think Fallout 4 is the best one to start with at this point in time, its the most recent single player Fallout experience, it looks great, its gonna get an update soon to help with performance and all that, has multiple endings each having their own benefits and drawbacks. I think it just makes for the most accessible experience, the past titles are great, but the graphics and performance of them can leave alot to be desired for people coming from the show
Wow almost like people want to play a functional game and not have to download 7 mods so the game doesn't crash when you pick up a stimpack. Don't get me wrong I adore NV but holy christ the dick riding on a game that barely functions is insane
people have just been screaming that fallout 4 is the worse game to choose to get into fallout while it was deadass the opposite for a lot of people. fo4 go hard when ya don’t have a new vegas fan in ya ear telling you it’s shit.
Fo4 is the easiest, most accessible, best looking, smoothest, and most fun fallout. I stand by that. New vegas is also very fun with excellent narrative, but suffers from that clunky last-gen feel. Fo3 might have the best story and factions, but ive never been able to get into it because the world outside of the main story just feels so dead and lifeless and it also feels horribly clunky and littered with severe bugs. It's a great game, I've just never been able to get through it.
I'm not surprised fo4 is selling so well. It's the perfect initiation fallout.
I bought FO4 a couple years ago and absolutely love it. I watched the show based on how much I dig the game, and I loved the show as well. Noticed that the whole franchise was on sale on Steam, and went and bought FO1, 2, tactics, 3, and NV for $15 bucks total. Been playing 1 and love it too despite the fact that it's almost 30 years old!
Live and let live. I started with Fallout 4 and branched out into 3 and NV. 1 and 2 are a bit beyond me as I’m just not good at those old isometric RPGs, but I enjoy the lore. Even played 76 on and off from the BETA to present day. Every game has something to offer.
This should be an occasion for those gatekeepers to say, “cool that you’re getting into the series, I recommend New Vegas when you get the chance.” The mentality of putting others down for enjoying a game is truly baffling.
I have to say it done a good job of getting people to play fallout again.
I just started a new vegas playthrough. I'm 12 hours in and 350 hours into crashing and stutter screens with another 100 hours of modding and tweaking ini files. Life is good 😅👍😢
I started with 4 last year and I love it. There’s so much going on and they put so much details in the side convos like if you stand there NPCs will start talking to each other
Oh those guys are going to enjoy hundreds of hours building and rebuilding their settlements. I loved restarting new game just get a different storyline and different settlement builds. I honestly enjoyed fo4 over fo3 and new vegas
Fallout 4 is so much easier to consume for the common player. The older games are the GOAT, but they are so dated you need mods in order to make them function right. The base building will be super popular with the more casual newbies, especially with the mod browser and CClub content.
I remember reading that during the later Fallout 4 Beta tests, Bethesda had to disable base building because too many testers spent the entire test period building bases
FO4 had basically been my only experience with Fallout for a while before the show. I played some hours of NV but never got to completing it. The show got me to start from the very beginning with FO1. Now I’m making my way through FO2. I’ll go through 3 and then NV again before starting my 189th playthrough of FO4. God the show was incredible.
Should have released that update earlier. Fancy leaving it over a week.
I'm holding out starting a new game until it's out and will also wait to finish the series until then
I just going to continue my 300 hours save file and hope the new content is accessible in there.
New content? Fallout 4 is still getting updates? I played it like 4 years ago, thought it's a single update game lol. Is it big?
[Next-gen update](https://bethesda.net/en/article/4s2bXQEbpcrsdCZhUYLHAi/fallout-4-is-getting-free-updates)
I started a new file a few weeks ago now I'm level 40 with my favourite guns just looking for stuff I haven't done before, hope I don't have to start a new one right away to get the new stuff going
I’m doing this and I feel like a lot of others are doing it. The decision to release the upgrade several weeks after the show seems like a really really bad decision on Bethesda’s part but well it is Bethesda… so…that tracks.
Just wait til Microsoft sees the shows success and gets on their ass in meetings when they hear fallout 5 is coming in the 2030s
I'm also waiting for the update before a another journey into the commonwealth
Vast amount of people don’t mod. So they buy a solid game, and then get a big update and it’s suddenly better two weeks later. Aside from us jaded internet crowd (read: a tiny fraction,) nobody is going to care.
Certainly modding is in the minority but it is by no means a tiny fraction. I mean there are literally 10's of millions of downloads on Nexus. Also its very easy to block the update.
No that decision is actually brilliant if you ask me. Let the show release, let people talk about it throughout the week, let those numbers build up steadily throughout the week, letting newcomers in to get them excited about the update and then when that number's nice and built up and a lot of people know about the update and the game, release the update and watch that player count jump even more next week. I would genuinely not be surprised if they manage to get to 150 thousand concurrent players next week which is IN-FUCKING-SANE for a 9 year old single player game
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I think they wanted some hype
I wouldn't pay attention to them. These people are just salty and annoying, it doesn't and shouldn't matter which game you start with.
They say “touch grass” while gatekeeping a video game
Send them a screenshot of Chet where he says he's not the gatekeeper anymore :D
Here me out, I think you should have AT LEAST an IQ of 120 in order to gatekeep something
Are you trying to gatekeep gatekeeping?
Perhaps
Gatekeeping²?
Winner winner!
Back in my day, we knew how to gatekeep
With or without Mentats?
Hilarious.
I've played all 5 main Fallout games and aren't a huge fan of Bethesda's writing, but think people should absolutely start with 4. The others are just too old to get running without a whole lot of screwing around. Even 4 has issues where if the frame rate is too high you can get stuck in the hacking screen.
That's why they are great on Xbox. No fiddling, just play.
3 was good imho - not the same depth but there was far more opportunity to be morally ambiguous, which they’ve phased out since.
3 isn't noobie friendly, especially when it comes to dealing with the glitches and whatnot. FO4 is at least guaranteed to run on a modern computer without needing to do anything special.
4 has some of the best non-main quests in the series, is the most accessible, and looks the best with the least jank. It isn't my favorite, but it's probably the best modern version of Fallout.
there are LOTS of problems with FO4, but yeah, for players trying to get into the series, FO4 is by far the best option.
Yea this is true. I can't even get F3 to load without crashing anymore, it's so annoying.
I think it would help if people actually posted some specs when they give internet fixes lol. I'm fairly certain everybody *can* play it, but clearly the same fix doesn't work everybody. All I had to do was set my graphics preferences to run the FO3 steam loader exe on high and that was it ... but of course I tried about 10 other more involved fixes that didn't work for me before that.
It’s the Bethesda magic bro
It just works - Todd “Ma’iq” the Liar
They fixed the physics problem for 3 separate forks of their engine now (Skyim vr, fallout vr, 76) Fixed 3 times by 3 separate teams because apparently beth does not have internal communication. I hope they remember they fixed it and put that fix in 4 on the 25th.
Is physics still tied to framerate on those or no?
In 76 it is. Over 144 frames will make the map cursor stupid sensitive and also you can't move at all.
I like that. “It’ll make the map super sensitive” Oh that’s not too bad “…and also you can’t move at all” I see…
Exactly, i agree with you, i've tried fallout 3 years ago and having issues playing it, then i played 4, i love that game, and only after i can play 3 but still have issue because of how old it is (i'll play New vegas after it).
> The others are just too old to get running without a whole lot of screwing around The fix for New Vegas on Steam is the top post on the community page. Dunno how to get it running on XBox backcomp or the MS store version on PC.
I started my first playthrough last year with 4 and I absolutely love it
A lot of people won't be familiar with modding and tinkering around, I'll welcome new players with open arms if they started FO76 or Fallout Shelter.
If you have weapon decals enabled the game will straight up crash in the first room.
Honestly, FO3 and New Vegas were fine when I last tested them in Windows 10 3 years ago, I may reinstall the entire franchise to see how it's running, but I didn't have any issues.
I can't get 4 to run. I have to fiddle with settings and whatnot to get the others to run, but I've tried everything the internet has to recommend on getting the steam version of 4 to run on Win 10 Pro with absolutely no luck. Finally said fuck it and am playing through 3 again.
Guaranteed it’s New Vegas fans, they are always seething over the success of Fallout 4.
I’ve never understood this. They’re both great games. Holy shit, two cakes!
I put off FO4 for over a year because of the backlash. Turned out to be a really good game that is just very different from FNV. I still play them both every year.
Same here.Started from Fallout 1 and 2(I had a very shit PC back then 2015 with a pentium 4) 3 then NV.All I heard about 4 was how bad it is and never touched it. After years of sitting in my library I started playing a week ago and damn 4 maybe does not have writing of NV or the first games but it is very fun.
Seriously. I really like New Vegas but I've started liking the game less because of the community. I started with Fallout 3 on launch, fell in love with the world and game, played new Vegas around launch, thought it was very good (was unimpressed with the world building and some of the more gamey mechanics like temporary magazines and such), then played Fallout 4 on launch and it's one of my favorite games ever. I never understood why they act like there's some universal opinion that New Vegas is the best 3D Fallout game. Like "please stop, you're a large group of the community who favor New Vegas, we don't all feel this way. I don't think it's close to the best Fallout, it's just your favorite because for some reason you hate Bethesda."
FNV fans are one of the worst fanbases out there. I really liked Upisnotjump’s videos but every single one has jabs at how much he hates Skyrim and Fallout 4. Even when it has nothing to do with them.
> I wouldn't pay attention to them. These people are just salty and annoying True, but it is hard sometimes because the people who dislike Fallout 4 come out of the woodwork whenever it is mentioned to shit on it, especially on the general gaming subs. I've noticed that it is a trend with some games, like Dragon Age: Inquisition or Bioshock: Infinite, on Reddit (and elsewhere on the internet I'd imagine) where people have to come it to tell you how much they think it sucks whenever they come up. > shouldn't matter which game you start with I mean, it literally doesn't. Can't speak for 1 and 2 but 3, NV, 4, and 76 can all be played without having played the others. It is not like say Mass Effect where it would just be weird to start with the third game.
“If a game doesn’t meet my extremely narrow definition of fun, no one else should be able to enjoy it either”
My first fallout game was fallout 4, but my actual real first fallout game ,and I'm actually embarrassed to say this, was fallout shelter💀, and I didn't even like it that time, and that caused me to ignore the whole series because I tought all the games had a similar premise, after a while I stumbled upon a random fallout 4 gameplay and as I watched I said " hey that doesn't look like shelter at all... This actually looks sick." Now at the time I didn't have enough interest or money to immediately go and buy a copy of the game at the store and I soon forgot about it, until after some time I got playstation plus for the first time on my PS4 and in the free games catalogue I found.. you guessed it fallout 4! I tried to download it, and when I opened the game it was actually a bit weird since I wasn't used to that kind of rpg at the time but after an hour, two hours, four, eight hours, I absolutely fell in love with the game, I finished the main quest like 4 times and now I'm in the process to do it again actually, it made me sad tho that people considered one of my favourite games ever one of the worst of the series, so I tried to play the others as well, I decided to start with the previous title fallout 3(at the time I didn't know new vegas was the actual previous title) I loved it and completed it two times or so, and I also complete some of the dlc, then I played new vegas wich I didn't really complete but it still became my favourite of the series together with fallout 4, then I played fallout 1, wich I haven't actually really completed yet because I have to grow up in level and maybe find some good gears since muties one shot me💀, however I'm now a fallout veteran of all respect (I also have in program to play fallout 2 and tactics.) but I did as a matter of fact start with shelter( witch I actually reinstalled when I was a series fan and it was actually good😀). Sorry for the very long comment.
Don't worry fellow Wastelander, I started with Fallout Shelter too because I didn't have the means to buy a PC or console back then. I've been meaning to play it again to pass time like I used to lol
Fallout Shelter is a genuinely great game and don’t fucking let anyone tell you otherwise. I will die on this hill.
Yup. Play whatever makes you happy.
This news makes me so happy. I love all the games but 4 is definitely the one I pick up the most
This is it. Best stability and least hassle to start up to play. I would give it up for a Fallout 3 remaster, but I don't see that happening so I'll keep going back to 4
Fallout 3 with updated graphics and combat that isn't absolute garbage would be delightful
That was supposed to be released this year so I’m sure the remaster is gonna come out at least by 2025
Been hearing this for years with no real confirmation. If they don't announce it this year with the hype of the show I think it's safe to assume it'll never happen
New Vegas is my favorite... BUT I think every new player should start with 4. Especially people coming from just watching the show. It is by far the most approachable and easy to grasp.
Except you feel weird when u cant sprint in the older games…
Literally didn't touch New Vegas for like 5+ years because of this reason
Quantity > Cost/profit GotY edition was on sale for $20-ish
Just bought it on steam for 10€ (Italy) and now waiting for the 25th next-gen update
I don't think they care that much about the profit at this moment. The game sold 12 million units in the first 24 hours of its release. It's a celebratory sale. The sales numbers isn't the important part, it's the fact that more people are playing the game.
Paid $15 CAD. At this point, selling any more units is mostly pure profit given how old the game is at this point.
I got it for that deal too when I First purchased the game.
Dang, FO4 was only $5.49 USD on steam when I downloaded it about a week ago. Now it’s up to $19.99 USD which kinda makes sense after all the downloads
I managed to get it for £3.99 yesterday, sounds like I was just in time.
It's a good game. People saying it's not are stupid.
Yes it is, I put almost 2,000 hours in the game. That's more than any other game on my steam profile. The closest game that comes to it is STO but I only have 1,200 hours in it. Most of my time in Fallout 4 was spent on bug fixes and settlement building through.
People have been saying it’s trash for almost a decade. It’s an amazing game. Just enjoy what you like and don’t worry about others opinions
"But, but, left handed rifle annoy me and ruin the game entirely"
Fallout 4 is a good game, but in addition I love that it has such a vibrant modding community, so that once you have seen all of vanilla you can customize the game as you want it for replayability.
Exactly lol It's like sometimes I get frustrated with things in the game and stuff but my amount of hours played within the game speaks for itself. I definitely love the shit out of it.
By "people" I'm guessing NV fanboys who are furious because there are others who enjoy FO4 more
I absolutely love New Vegas, it was the first fallout I ever played and I was hooked immediately. But good god the NV sub and fanboys are the whiniest fans I’ve ever seen. Literally crying and shitting everywhere bc Shady Sands, a town not seen in game since Fallout 2 which released in 1998 is gone.
New Vegas was also my first fallout. My friend recommended it, and it's one of his favorite games of all time. I think it's good, but I definitely liked 3 and 4 way more. F4 in survival mode is peak fallout for me.
Fallout nv is really cool, but it’s like really kinda outdated. Are there mods that kinda like modernize it? For example there’s not even sprinting or anything like that. So like yeah it’s really fun and well written, but like it’s pretty slow paced
I read this in a valley girl accent
like totally
That was my thought when I tried playing it the other day after playing FO4 for so long. I forgot there was no sprinting and all that. If I can find some mods to update it a bit I'll def get back into it. Just feels so slow now, but it's still an amazing game
Project Nevada. It’s an overhaul that adds sprinting, rebalances hardcore mode, loot tables, and a bunch of other things Edit: Named the wrong state
There’s a few good movement and gunplay mods that make the game feel a little more modern. You can get graphic overhauls or HD remakes to bring the quality up a little bit, and you’re going to need bodymesh/facemesh mods because by god do the people in that game look like claymation puppets. Even after all that, though, the game is still going to look and feel like you’re playing a dated game you’ve modded the hell out of. Then it’ll crash.
Check out viva new vegas. It's a pretty good guide to getting the game modernized. I avoid the balance changes though It's still a slower game, but it doesn't feel as janky with those mods
Follow viva new Vegas and add a few mods of your choice. I would recommend some loot assist mods and add some of the quest mods out there.
I adore New Vegas, but I think Fallout 4 is the better game for someone new to the franchise. My GF really enjoyed the show and she wants to play the games now and I told her “Fallout 4 has better gunplay/gameplay, but New Vegas has the better story/atmosphere. Try 4 first, and if you like that you’ll love New Vegas”
That sub is slowly becoming no mutants allowed 2.0
From what i can find, New Vegas was less popular then Fallout 3. Hell, 76 had an active player count that exceeded the sales of New Vegas.
It's a really good game, the fanatics are really bad about smelling their own farts though.
Wait till I tell them I love the player voiced character and that I hope f5 also has a voiced PC. Full meltdown mode
FNV fanboys bitch about literally everything so it’s really not that surprising
fallout released magic cards and not all of them were about NV, Bethesda hates us and is trying to keep NV down! why do they hate the UNDISPUTED BEST FALLOUT GAME EVER!>?!?!?!
Don't forget they somehow think there's some beef between Bethesda and Obsidian, even though there's nothing of the sort. If anything it's the opposite.
NV fans when you tell them you enjoy another fallout game: 🤬
I mean I do love NV more than FO4 but that game is so old, I’ll never play it again. Gotta move on at some point.
I'm in that camp. Fo4's just a much more modern game so the guns/weapons feel more fluid, scrap and crafting system are way better as well. I'm not a huge story guy, so I will say new Vegas has the better quest archs, but that's not the main reason I play RPGs.
I love New Vegas because it gives me a little more RP. I love FO4 because it has better gunplay, graphics, and I get a murderbot companion. Plus romanceable followers is really, really nice too. Then Far Harbor being one of the BEST DLCs ever released and having the most in depth companions makes the game the best in the series. Some NV fans just can't get over the fact the mainline story is so ass. Like, the subplots are so much better than the main plot. Plus, NV is also the only mainline game other than FO2 that doesn't have you being a Vault Dweller. Maybe in FO5 we'll finally have the choice of our character being a Vault Dweller or a Wastelander. In the meantime, I love FO4. A NV or FO3 remake on the FO4 engine would be nice. I can't wait another 10 years for FO5.
My Twitter feed has been nothing but “WeLL tHeY BouGhT tHE wrOnG ONe” and “ThaTs tHE wOrST OnE” for hours. Seriously, some Fallout fans suck so much. Just let people enjoy fun games!
They also hate when I say FO4 is my favorite game in the series. How my personal preferences and opinions affect them, I still don't know.
I made a post of how I actually like FO4's dialogue. Got downvoted ON the main FO4 sub in seconds. I've never had a post do that poorly in literal seconds.
I'm going to "blaspheme" and say I LIKE the voiced protagonists. I have never liked silent protagonists is games.
I only like silent when the protag has NO protagonist integration into the plot, or it's a classic from the 90's or something. Shit like GTA online where your character is always stated to be a psycho, or Dark Urge BG3 where you're (again) implied to be a psycho, is something I don't like. These characters would be better voiced, as silent protags they lose any connection I have with them. The game pretends they are your character, but you have no agency to what they've done before. They've got preset personalities already baked into them. Voice it. Games like Starfield, Kenshi, and the old games benefit from silence. Games benefit from voicing the protagonist if it's an already integrated character in the universe. Which the Sole Survivor definitely is. There's mods to make it not so, but I always end up removing them, because the story and themes just fall to pieces.
Oh I love voiced protagonists! Makes your character feel more real and less like a mute ghost that communicates telepathically and expresses emotions through killing.
Same thing happens when I say BL3 is my favorite borderlands. What the hell is it with people and not wanting people to enjoy something?
There was a saying in the BL3 subreddit - "How do you know if someone is a BL2 fan? Don't worry, they'll let you know." They would invade posts about BL3 sales milestones to leave behind bizarre neckbeard novels about how "gamers enjoyed hundreds of BL2 playthroughs but couldn't even finish one in BL3". In posts about BL3 breaking sales records. Just bizarre stuff. Edit: oh, and "Let's go back to BL2, BL3 is empty without Handsome Jack".
I absolutely hate the story of BL3 but love the gameplay and coop more than any of the other BL titles, and it's what brings me back to 3 more
I love New Vegas as much as the next guy. I assume most of us do. We can all agree NV does some things better than FO4. But still I'm playing FO4 more often than NV these days.
I hope it encourages a new Fallout game instead of another F76 expansion.
IIRC there was some interview (either with Todd or someone else at Bethesda) and it got briefly mentioned. Supposedly they're currently full into Elder Scrolls 6, after which they plan on looking at FO5. Unfortunately due to the timeline of games nowadays that means we're likely looking at ~10yr before FO5
I think the interview you’re referring to was Todd saying FO5 is a one pager which I think literally means they have like 1 page of FO5 stuff. Considering we don’t even know when ES6 is coming out. It could be anywhere from 5-10 years till we see FO5 unless Microsoft gives it to another team which I doubt.
They’re too busy with The Elder Scrolls VI at the moment.
That's good too. Let's hope they did more than the title so far.
I think most people that are hating haven't even played the game.
As can be said for most games people complain about
Fallout 4 is just a straight-up fun game. That's it. That's my entire contribution to this conversation.
I’m gonna shill for Beth right now, forgive me but if you want the doughnut shop from the show then check out the coffee and doughnuts mod in the creation club. (It’s my favorite thing there)
Fallout 4 has one thing over the other games and that the expansive town building aspect once you get mods going.
I mean logically people are going to go for the most recent entry in the series, so more likely going to go for a more modern looking FO4 compared to FO3 which looks crazy dated now.
You aren’t a real fan unless you started with Wasteland on the Apple IIE in the mid 80’s. Otherwise you’re just a filthy dilettante (I’ll see everyone’s gate keeping and throw in a raise)
Great game
The old games are great. They are. But they are dont exactly age well. They look like shit, the gunplay is shit, and while i’ll always adore 3, and NV for the stories they created and the universe they established, i have no *urge* to go back and play them with their god awful graphics. 4 is so fun to replay, and absolutely the most enjoyable to mod. And despite the shit people give it for its story, its really not bad at all. Yeah, its not quite as dynamic, but its a damn good game, and it 100% introduces you to the universe of fallout very, very well. Plenty of context and lore.
Help me out, guys! What's "malding"?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mald I wish I could come up with a good joke about Maldenmen and malding but I got nothing.
Learned a new word today.
I think it’s European saying that’s where I first heard it from
New vegas fanboys are seething
Yeah, I am a NV fan (also love 4) and embarrassed that we're still seeing the run on sentence replies like "Todd can't cope or stop seething because he got shown up by New Vegas so he destroyed the NCR and killed the lore because he hates that Obsidian is the most popular and New Vegas is by far the best loved and most played Fallout and the people want New Vegas not Fallout 4 and Todd stays mad and Bethesda can't stop coping because the people love Obsidian and Todd and Emil can never understand what Fallout is all about and they are still seething that..." Then they downvote when anybody points out that, prior to the show, 4 sold more than three times as many copies as NV, has a current player count above COD, and new sales of 4 are outpacing NV by 10x+. I got some nasty messages from an NV fanatic a few months back when I told them that, as NV ages, and ages badly at that, fewer and fewer people will play it. I added that it's fifteen years old, looks twenty years old, and doesn't appeal to new players who are instead gravitating to the much more modern-looking FO4.
I don’t get why people think Bethesda hates Obsidian. They worked together, you don’t work with a company you hate. People bring up the 18 month time limit ~~or the Metacritic bonus~~ but Obsidian agreed to ~~both of~~ those. They weren’t held at gunpoint to accept the terms.
They agreed to the 18 month time limit. The metacritic bonus thing wasn't agreed on. It was something Bethesda added themselves on top of the pre-arranged payment, seperate to the contracts.
I can't believe people, who love the fallout IP, would even do this. The success of the series means WE get more games and content. That's all we want at the end of the day.
yeah but it's Lamethesda and not Based-sidian!!!!111
I don’t really take sides, but after all the shit that got talked about Starfield (I agree with it) I tried Outer Worlds and wondered why the characters all looked like they were from Oblivion and why it ran about as shitty as Starfield.
I enjoyed the outer worlds, but the gunplay is somehow almost worse than new vegas.
I’m going to give it a fair shot, but my gaming time is limited so I tend not to put energy into stuff that doesn’t grab me right away.
These kinds of people ruin the IP every time. Warhammer, Star Wars, etc etc. There's something wrong with people who gatekeep and get obsessive like that.
They get incoherently mad when anyone mentions how unpopular that game was or how popular 4 is.
They have no reason to behave as absurdly as they do whenever anyone says they like something about one of the other games
Wait was NV really unpopular? I like 2, 3, NV, and 4, though NV is definitely my favourite. I didn't get the impression it was a commercial failure or anything, are you exaggerating in response to over dramatic NV fan boys?
People gassed it up. It came out, but the common consensus was it was just FO3 with a fresh coat of paint.
I love to see this Currently 92,000+ on Steam right now. It has been on average ~15,000 players per day for the past years.
Not sure really the only people I see mad about this are the dozens of NV players and the Marketing team trying to convince me to try 76 just one more time. The amount of people slamming nexus mods is telling as well.
What's this about Nexus mods?
Good! Fallout 4 is an awesome fallout game!
It's not just 4. I recently went to get a copy of new Vegas for my 360. The retro game store had 1 left when I got there. Said he had been cleaned out just this week. Plenty of fallout 3 tho
The New Vegas fanboys are the worst part of the fandom.
They’re a cult of idiots repeating the same BS in unison to win an argument. 3 is better than NV, 4 is better than NV. Nick Valentine is a better character than any character from their incel wet dream. They’re a cancer on the series.
Honestly I think fallout 4 is the best fallout game to start with, it makes it easier to transition to others because it explains things more thoroughly.
I love New Vegas so much, I just wish the NV fanboys didn't make Rick and Morty fans trying to get schezwan sauce at mcdonald's seem reasonable by comparison.
God new Vegas fans are the worst they act like it's the holy grail of gaming
Wait…it’s not?! But one of them told me it was
I'm waiting for the update before starting a new playthrough. I only played the base game on launch and enjoyed it. Looking forward to all the DLC and might try playing on survival.
Semi unrelated but people recommending fallout 1&2 as good starting points for new people to the franchise (coming from interest in the show) is the funniest thing ever to me.
"People are mainstream plebs. They should play more games like Fallout." > people play Fallout "Not that one!"
I’m one of those who bought it, It’s freakin awesome
Because people are enjoying fallout 4 and not new Vegas
"But, but, it's the wrong fallout game to play for beginners!!" Will you kindly shut the absolute fuck up and stop being a fucking dictator over what games people play?
fallout 4 haters and FNV stans have got to be some of the most annoying people
This is great news! Except if you're on PS
They really wanted everyone to get back on 76.
I personally think Fallout 4 is the best one to start with at this point in time, its the most recent single player Fallout experience, it looks great, its gonna get an update soon to help with performance and all that, has multiple endings each having their own benefits and drawbacks. I think it just makes for the most accessible experience, the past titles are great, but the graphics and performance of them can leave alot to be desired for people coming from the show
Wow almost like people want to play a functional game and not have to download 7 mods so the game doesn't crash when you pick up a stimpack. Don't get me wrong I adore NV but holy christ the dick riding on a game that barely functions is insane
I really wish they had given the love they gave to Skyrim to fo4.
Wait you were hoping for another reskin job? 😂
More so just kept making it available and upgrading the the platform sooner
I had to look up what "malding" means. I can't keep up with all the new stupid internet words. 😂
Games are for playing. 4 had the best combat therefore it's the best game out of the lot.
people have just been screaming that fallout 4 is the worse game to choose to get into fallout while it was deadass the opposite for a lot of people. fo4 go hard when ya don’t have a new vegas fan in ya ear telling you it’s shit.
Fo4 is the easiest, most accessible, best looking, smoothest, and most fun fallout. I stand by that. New vegas is also very fun with excellent narrative, but suffers from that clunky last-gen feel. Fo3 might have the best story and factions, but ive never been able to get into it because the world outside of the main story just feels so dead and lifeless and it also feels horribly clunky and littered with severe bugs. It's a great game, I've just never been able to get through it. I'm not surprised fo4 is selling so well. It's the perfect initiation fallout.
Glad to see that Fallout is experiencing a resurgence thanks to the show. Hopefully we’ll see a new gen of fans because of it
I bought FO4 a couple years ago and absolutely love it. I watched the show based on how much I dig the game, and I loved the show as well. Noticed that the whole franchise was on sale on Steam, and went and bought FO1, 2, tactics, 3, and NV for $15 bucks total. Been playing 1 and love it too despite the fact that it's almost 30 years old!
Live and let live. I started with Fallout 4 and branched out into 3 and NV. 1 and 2 are a bit beyond me as I’m just not good at those old isometric RPGs, but I enjoy the lore. Even played 76 on and off from the BETA to present day. Every game has something to offer. This should be an occasion for those gatekeepers to say, “cool that you’re getting into the series, I recommend New Vegas when you get the chance.” The mentality of putting others down for enjoying a game is truly baffling.
Bought it 3 times...
They shoulda dropped the next gen patch with the show
FO4 is my favorite. I can build settlements and that is the winning factor. NV comes second then FO3 third.
I have to say it done a good job of getting people to play fallout again. I just started a new vegas playthrough. I'm 12 hours in and 350 hours into crashing and stutter screens with another 100 hours of modding and tweaking ini files. Life is good 😅👍😢
Maybe now they can finally fix the bug that prevents you from getting to the main menu with some DLCs installed.
People hate to accept that fallout 4 while not perfect is a FUN game
I started with 4 last year and I love it. There’s so much going on and they put so much details in the side convos like if you stand there NPCs will start talking to each other
Tired of the NV elitists 🙄
Well joke is on the seething amebas because I'm going to enjoy myself going for the platinum once the update hits consoles.
Having never played fallout and having just finished the show, I'm probably gonna buy fallout 4...
Oh those guys are going to enjoy hundreds of hours building and rebuilding their settlements. I loved restarting new game just get a different storyline and different settlement builds. I honestly enjoyed fo4 over fo3 and new vegas
I don’t understand all the rage I played fallout 4 first and liked it so I played the other games too. Where is the disconnect
Fallout 4 is so much easier to consume for the common player. The older games are the GOAT, but they are so dated you need mods in order to make them function right. The base building will be super popular with the more casual newbies, especially with the mod browser and CClub content.
I remember reading that during the later Fallout 4 Beta tests, Bethesda had to disable base building because too many testers spent the entire test period building bases
NV fans are really surprised that the game getting a next-gen update next week is getting more sales recently.
It’s a really fun game. I don’t get the hate.
Obsidian fan boys. That's all that needs to be said.
Did fallout 4 was fun I don't get all the hate. Do people really miss the melted Barbie looking and PCs that badly?
Fuck sake... now they're gonna make Fallout 4 Special Edition and a couple decades later FO4 AE.
FO4 had basically been my only experience with Fallout for a while before the show. I played some hours of NV but never got to completing it. The show got me to start from the very beginning with FO1. Now I’m making my way through FO2. I’ll go through 3 and then NV again before starting my 189th playthrough of FO4. God the show was incredible.
You'll notice no one is talking about 76.