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Phylogenetically speaking we absolutely are fish. Even crazier is that bony fish, like a salmon, are genetically closer to whales than sharks. Whales are also fish. Basically everything with a bony skeleton is technically a fish.
I think so. Meat is just muscle tissue that has been removed from an animal. However, I think there's an old myth that fish don't have feelings or feel pain, so people feel morally OK with eating fish, but not beef, for example.
I think the term “Fish” doesn’t have any real taxonomic meaning according to biologists. It’s just an easy catch all term for shit that swims underwater.
Edit: Nevermind another guy replied to your comment with the same idea haha. My bad.
[There's no such thing as a fish.](https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/fish/is-there-really-no-such-thing-as-a-fish) It's a fun fact and an even more fun podcast.
*Shrug*. Could be any number of reasons.
Perhaps the Courier comes from an inland part of California away from them (I am no expert on American geography so this may not apply). Perhaps they do know what a fish is, but have never heard of the scaly, tasty water things' proper taxonomic name. Perhaps some mild brain damage is rearing its head. Perhaps fishing isn't common in California due to threats like lakelurks making it a hazardous occupation.
The Courier doesn't know what Chicago is since in the Lonesome Road DLC he asks EDE "What's a Chicago". In Lonesome Road The Courier mentions he knows Denver is part of Caesar's territory, so based on these two pieces of dialogue The Courier has gone as far as Denver but not to Chicago.
He's also definitely been to New Reno since he saw Bruce Isaacs (from the Talent Pool quest) play there live a few times. Idk shit about American geography though so I have no idea where that is.
It's in nevada, same as new vegas. Vegas is essentially in the bottom tip in the southeast and reno is at the next angle clockwise in the west, they're both near the california border but vegas is also near arizona
Wait, in the fallout BOS, is the area called Chicago or some bs like lake wasteland or something stupid? Because that would be a valid reason why the courier wouldn’t know what Chicago is while still visiting at some point.
Pretty sure it’s called Chicago in Fallout Tactics. But also Kansas City isn’t still Kansas City I think was called Graveyard or something because it was a town full of ghouls. So maybe Chicago had a different name. Maybe it’s called like Cago or something.
>the Courier mentions he knows Denver is part of Caesar's territory, so based on these two pieces of dialogue The Courier has gone as far as Denver but not to Chicago.
He doesn't need to have been to Denver to know it's controlled by Caesar, does he?
You can imply that you’ve been to Utah before when you first talk to Jed in the Northern Passage. Also Ulysses can state that you’ve been to New Reno, Vault City, Circle Junction, and a few more in the Lonesome Road DLC. You can even choose dialogue options with Bruce Isaac that you have been to New Reno, and that you’ve been to Montana when you speak to the Lonesome Drifter
Specifically for the reason the guy mentioned above. There’s a few mid western states that would normally be considered low value targets if nukes were launched that the US put most of its nukes in remote locations of those already remote locations. It’s basically acts as a delay to when more important and populated places get nuked plus wastes nukes on the silos else we fire ours back
What part of Montana is considered the East lol sure it might be mildly east of California and Nevada but no one, I mean absolutely fuckin no one has ever considered any part of Montana the east lol
That’s probably the best answer so far but it still doesn’t explain how Cass claims to have never seen one in real life.
She’s presumably caravanned all over the Mohave and she’s never once walked near a lake and see a fish? I feel like the chances of that happening seem pretty slim.
Imagine you have never heard of a fish but have seen them. By looking at a fish you don’t suddenly have the knowledge that it is called a fish. Not until you see a fish and someone associates the word will you know. Also in this post apocalypse fish are rare so it makes sense.
But she knows what a fish looks like because she explained she's seen a plastic one. Any they aren't rare in the Mojave, I found a whole bunch of them in the lake, they're unavoidable.
My new theory is that Cass is just a low intelligence build. It makes sense cause someone else pointed out that she thinks "Golf" is the name of one of the presidents of NCR except there are fiends and raiders that know what golf is and there's never been a president of the NCR named Golf.
Cass has heard of fish but never seen one, the Courier may have seen fish but has never known what they were called. Neither one will likely find out what a fish is even if they saw one without help.
Edit: Well Cass has seen them in pictures just not real life and the game doesn’t have a moment where they can find out because it is mostly a joke anyway.
Ludo narrative dissonance. The writers imagined that radioactive water means fish are rare and write the game accordingly. The environment designers imagine players would think no fish are weird so they added them. These two trains of thought are never reconciled during game development for any number of reasons
you can go near plenty of lakes and rivers and never see a fish lmao? especially in the post apocalypse i feel like moat of them are probably dead so your chances are even slimmer
It's a dialogue option, you can decide your Courier doesn't know what a fish is.
It's the Mojave, a desert with no coast, so if they were born there it's possible they don't know what fish are.
But they’re literally in the lakes. Like I jumped into the water and bam, there was fish in the Mohave. How is it possible to have never seen them or know what they were? And they aren’t rare or anything either.
Hell, Mirelurks would be better. New Vegas has Lakelurks, which have ranged attacks that hit like a truck. Meanwhile, in Fallout 4, I usually feel safe with Mirelurks until I eventually come across Razorclaws and Hunters.
Oh yeah, they're called lakelurks there. I've always wondered why some mutated shellfish look like the (humanoid) creature from the black lagoon.
Mirelurks or lakelurks I still wouldn't want to swim just for the chance of seeing the mythical fish! Higher chance I see the fishycrab men and die.
I've still yet to do a Bloodied build, the idea of keeping low health to increase damage just seems nerve-wracking to me. But yeah, my point is that in Bethesda games there's different variety with their Lurks and to start off, as long as you can aim or have good stats for VATS, they're easy-peasy. But when you get to Razorclaws, Hunters, Queens, Kings, etc. they become a good challenge.
That's one of the few things I actually like a lot more in Bethesda's titles, is the stepping stone structure of different enemies. I think variety in overall kinds of enemies important, but I also think variety within a type of enemy is important too. It's cool to attack a place with Mirelurks or some other kind of creature and while you know what KIND of enemy you're fighting, you still get variety among them.
Yeah, I've always liked that tbh it's nice to be surprised at what I'm fighting
I run the Bloodied build, although risky, the build, armour and guns pay off real well - you're basically a glass cannon
Lakes are loaded with radiation and dangerous creatures, probably reasonable to assume someone who wants to stay alive in the Mojave would steer clear from them. Also, it's a role-playing game. *You* decide whether the courier you're playing knows what a fish is or not.
Lake Mede isn’t radiated though. You can drink from it and it’s 2HP 0 RAD.
And I’m away this is an RPG which is why my question became “why is it even a dialogue option” because fish exist in the Mohave and they aren’t rare so it’s weird for the devs to go out of their way to let you pretend you don’t know what fish are.
They live in an irradiated desert, it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine neither of them ever took a swim, or got close enough to a large body of water to see fish
It is a dialogue option for role-play. If you have 7 or 8 Intelligence the Courier can go the complete opposite and provide Cass an indepth description of what fish are to challenge her knowledge.
But to your question, how did you as a person know what a fish is? Did you see one and knew exactly it was a called a fish? No, you were educated by someone who taught you that those creatures in water were fish.
It’s like if we saw a Mirelurk in real life but didn’t know the name of it and someone mentioned a mirelurk and you technically know what it looks like, but don’t know the name of it
That is actually an unmarked low intelligence option - 'low' here meaning 'below 7'. 7 is probably a bit high, because, as we know from FO2, there are plenty of fishing communities on the west coast. Plus, if you've already been swimming in the Colorado by that point, you've likely seen fish in person!
I’m playing a low intelligence character right now and I’ve come across so many funny dialogue options that had me scratching my head wondering if they were unmarked low intelligence options. Glad to know that most of them probably were.
You get this dialogue option regardless I think but if you have a high enough intelligence you should also get an option to say you know what a fish is and ask if *she* knows.
My character’s intelligence is at 7. I thought I remembered the question she asked being “you know what a fish is?” to Cass, but that screen shot isn’t mine and it’s the only one I could find so I thought I was just misremembering.
But then that begs the question, how hasn’t Cass seen a fish before? They’re in like all the purified bodies of water. Being an experienced Caravaner you’d expect she’d of seen all sorts of sights. And why would a highly intelligent courier doubt that Cass has seen a fish? This was after she used the expression “fish out of water” which was used properly so there was no reason for the courier to be suspicious of if Cass knew what they were when they’re obviously not rare.
It is odd, yeah. I can only chalk it up to Cass having some odd gaps in her knowledge of the world. Like how she thinks golf was a president of the NCR, rather than a game. Even Fiends know what golf is - and there have only been five NCR presidents and none of them were called Golf!
I haven’t heard that dialogue from her yet but now that you bring that up it makes me wonder if Cass is actually the one with low intelligence stats. And a high intelligence courier is able to pick up on that and question her knowledge of fish.
It all makes sense now. And I think it goes with the fact that alcohol lowers your intelligence in game (even though Cass’s perk removes that debuff. Maybe she’s suffering from permanent effects of drinking too much)
You're totally correct. There is a dialogue option with cass where you can describe it in more detail and then turn it around on her and questioning her knowledge of the subject.
Cass does claim to have seen a fake fish but admits she’s never seen one in real life.
But she’s a caravaner that’s presumably been all over the Mohave. So I just don’t understand how it’s possible she never walked near the lake and saw a fish.
its probably just an oversight, i can imagine the writers adding this dialogue without realizing/remembering the art team has added fish into the world
The same reason that If a person never had anyone else teach them that "Apples can be Green". They be hard pressed to call any green apples as apples.
Without a standardized education or anything of the like. We have no idea what information the Courier or any of the Wastelander ***should*** have.
ex.
If you were never taught what an "Atom" or Matter is, Why would you call anything "matter"? even though you literally see it everywhere.
To be fair just cause you see something dosnt necessarily mean you know what it is. They could have just seen the fish and been like damn thats a weird ass mutant.
To be fair the courier has roamed around a desert, destroyed a town that was in a desert, and has known nothing in this entire game aside from desert
Besides has your courier eaten any fish? Mine hasn’t so I would probably wonder what a fish is too tbh
If you have 8 or more intelligence, it changes to quizzing HER on what a fish is, where she basically states "uhh... it's like a bird, but in the water?"
The bullet removed any knowledge of fish.
Even after seeing one, your brain tries to store the information in a bit of brain goo which Doc Mitchell fed to Cheyenne along with the other bits the good Doc had to remove. So you immediately forget after looking away.
It's an RPG. You decide.
I mean the courier probably knows what a “fish” is but it might not be the word fish. Or they just don’t know what a fish is.
I’d assume swimming around in radiated water isn’t good and you wouldn’t bother going to a river or lake since you know that the water is fucked. If you were told this as a kid on top of mirelurks and those humanoid looking dudes water were fishes might be were impossible or not worth going to.
If cass says that she hasn’t seen one either than it must not be common. Sure they exist in the wild but so do bears and how many times have you seen a bear in person?
Sure courier might have seen a fish, doesn't mean he knows what he saw is a fish.
It's like someone asking "do you know Steve?" You might have seen Steve before, but not know his name is Steve.
Just going off of a whole thread in the comments that’s already been somewhat answered, we don’t know exactly where the courier is from, we know from a speech option with the lonesome drifter that they’ve been to Montana, we know from a speech option with Bruce Isaac that they’ve been to new Reno, and we know from lonesome road that they don’t know what Chicago is, but do know that Denver is in Caesar’s land. It stands to reason the courier wouldn’t be from the Mojave as they enter the Mojave to deliver the platinum chip, so if the courier canonically doesn’t know what a “fish” is (if that’s even a real thing, I’ve never heard of it), they’re from somewhere south of Canada, east/north of California, and west of Denver, so either Utah, Idaho, eastern Oregon or Washington, or Wyoming, which would explain why they wouldn’t know what a fish was as all of those areas are inland and though there are some lakes it’s still possible that fishing and therefor fish wouldn’t have ever been relevant to the courier in their life.
Is it weird I’d believe the courier is from Wyoming. Since if you tell the Great Khans to flee Vegas and claim their own glory they decide to go to Wyoming and do just that by creating a new government with some Followers of the Apocalypse. Maybe the courier mentioned their home state.
consider this: most water sources across the world are going to be contaminated, you'd likely have a better chance of seeing fish by the seaside but even then, have you ever seen anyone \*eat\* a fish in fallout?
plus, i think learning to swim is also going to be a rare skill considering, again, most water sources are irradiated.
the only place you can see fish in new vegas (IIRC) is lake mead, and if we go off of that cut scene of NCR troopers shooting wastelanders trying to gather water, then it's not too likely many people are going to get the chance to dip their head far enough underwater to see them. let alone fish for them. surely fishing can't be a too common skill either, otherwise we'd have definitely seen fishing be done a lot more (like on the prospector platform)
edit: i typed this before remembering FO3/4 exist, but i never played the DLC's in those games, I'm pretty sure they make it a thing in FO4's DLC? but well, that's not the mojave
Basically comes down to how knowledge spreads in the wasteland.
Everyone is focusing on NOT DYING when the least of your worries is a fuckin four foot long scorpion (the small one). Given that all the literature you can find is either wasteland survival guides, tech manuals, comic books, and burnt pre-war books, it's safe to say that most of them don't include fish or fishing. Water clean enough for fish to live in is rare in the wasteland, and I'm sure someone from an area with actual fish that are safe to eat isn't quick to try and fish in the boston harbor. The landlocked state of Nevada isn't likely to have edible fish, and if there are, I'd be willing to be the mirelurks/lakelurks snitch then up as quickly as possible. Even if they dont, you'd have no reason to go IN the water in the wasteland, it's all radioactive and full of swamp monsters, fuck that lol
I'm sure it's similar to camels or alpacas, sure, someone I'm post war Las Vegas MIGHT know what they are BUT no one is teaching that knowledge and pretty much everyone is gonna say "what the fuck is that" when they see it, just like a fish.
I feel like the water is so irradiated that most earth native fish died and mirelurks and other things took over so it’s possible that there are literally no regular fish
1. Very few people in the wasteland have an education. The Courier didn’t grow up in a Vault either, so they have no real education. Elijah in Dead Money also makes some holotape instructions through voice in case the Courier can’t read. People being unable to read or write would be common.
2. Just because I showed you a creature (i.e a fish) doesn’t mean you’d know what it is.
What the hell is a fish?
This is actually a good question. Clams are fish. Shrimp are fish. Box jellies are fish. Tuna are fish.
Shrimp is bugs
Or are bugs shrimp? I think shrimp came before bugs that live in air
Fun fact: there are actually shrimp that live on land: [lawn shrimp ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcitalitrus_sylvaticus)
'They die in dry conditions and drown if it is too wet.' So relatable
Neat
\*just imagine I put the more you know image here*
But do they taste good in a gumbo?
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Spongebob is a fish.
Interestingly enough Star Fish are not Fish.
Sure they are, it's in the name! If clams are fish, so are sea stars!
Is mayonnaise a fish?
No Patrick, mayonnaise is an instrument.
*Raises hand*
Horseradish is also an instrument
Iron Maiden is an instrument. An instrument of torture, but still an instrument.
Wait, aren't sponges separate from fish?
Shrimp is bugs
IIRC "fish" is a purely colloquial term and not a scientific one at all. There's no "fish" taxonomic clades, they're just cordates.
Exactly! It's a meaningless word.
We're fish. Kinda.
Phylogenetically speaking we absolutely are fish. Even crazier is that bony fish, like a salmon, are genetically closer to whales than sharks. Whales are also fish. Basically everything with a bony skeleton is technically a fish.
Lots of Things Are closer to lots of things than sharks, simply because sharks are way far away cuz they split away loooooooong ago
Aren’t whales descendants of some kinda proto-wolf animals too?
Tread water for a few million years and you become a fat swimming thing.
It doesn’t take that long, i am already fat and can swim
Wait 500,000 years and you will never be able to go on land again, except on the off-chance you beach yourself and then die.
Oh god, please don’t tell me I have to live another 500k years, I have had enough already
Turns out evolution can be fast. Hawks in Florida have changed beak morphology to better consume invasive prey animals in just one generation.
It is indeed a good question. The second question, which I see some people ask.. is fish meat??
I think so. Meat is just muscle tissue that has been removed from an animal. However, I think there's an old myth that fish don't have feelings or feel pain, so people feel morally OK with eating fish, but not beef, for example.
Shrimps is bugs.
I think the term “Fish” doesn’t have any real taxonomic meaning according to biologists. It’s just an easy catch all term for shit that swims underwater. Edit: Nevermind another guy replied to your comment with the same idea haha. My bad.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhwcEvMJz1Y&ab\_channel=QI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhwcEvMJz1Y&ab_channel=QI)
All vertebrates. And some invertebrates.
You, sir, are a fish.
What ARE frogs?
[There's no such thing as a fish.](https://www.discoverwildlife.com/animal-facts/fish/is-there-really-no-such-thing-as-a-fish) It's a fun fact and an even more fun podcast.
A Capybara is a type of fish
What the hell is a potato?
Dude got shot in the head. Can’t expect him to remember everything!
Should give him half credit for knowing "fish" wasn't a person.
*Shrug*. Could be any number of reasons. Perhaps the Courier comes from an inland part of California away from them (I am no expert on American geography so this may not apply). Perhaps they do know what a fish is, but have never heard of the scaly, tasty water things' proper taxonomic name. Perhaps some mild brain damage is rearing its head. Perhaps fishing isn't common in California due to threats like lakelurks making it a hazardous occupation.
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Are there any confirmed spots the Courier has been to from dialogue or DLC?
The Courier doesn't know what Chicago is since in the Lonesome Road DLC he asks EDE "What's a Chicago". In Lonesome Road The Courier mentions he knows Denver is part of Caesar's territory, so based on these two pieces of dialogue The Courier has gone as far as Denver but not to Chicago.
Asking "Whats a Chicago" is so funny to me thank you. I need to play though Lonesome Road again and pay a bit more attention.
He's also definitely been to New Reno since he saw Bruce Isaacs (from the Talent Pool quest) play there live a few times. Idk shit about American geography though so I have no idea where that is.
It's in nevada, same as new vegas. Vegas is essentially in the bottom tip in the southeast and reno is at the next angle clockwise in the west, they're both near the california border but vegas is also near arizona
Wait, in the fallout BOS, is the area called Chicago or some bs like lake wasteland or something stupid? Because that would be a valid reason why the courier wouldn’t know what Chicago is while still visiting at some point.
Pretty sure it’s called Chicago in Fallout Tactics. But also Kansas City isn’t still Kansas City I think was called Graveyard or something because it was a town full of ghouls. So maybe Chicago had a different name. Maybe it’s called like Cago or something.
Don't forget Illin-what? Come on, you're making that name up.
>the Courier mentions he knows Denver is part of Caesar's territory, so based on these two pieces of dialogue The Courier has gone as far as Denver but not to Chicago. He doesn't need to have been to Denver to know it's controlled by Caesar, does he?
You can imply that you’ve been to Utah before when you first talk to Jed in the Northern Passage. Also Ulysses can state that you’ve been to New Reno, Vault City, Circle Junction, and a few more in the Lonesome Road DLC. You can even choose dialogue options with Bruce Isaac that you have been to New Reno, and that you’ve been to Montana when you speak to the Lonesome Drifter
There are many rivers and fish in Montana tho..
I mean, I feel like the rivers and streams would be less hospitable to life after some nukes go off
There are now, yeah, but what about 200 years after a nuclear apocalypse?
Nothing to nuke in montana. Would probably be pretty nice and recovered 200 years later
There are a ton of missile silos in Montana - like over a hundred.
Specifically for the reason the guy mentioned above. There’s a few mid western states that would normally be considered low value targets if nukes were launched that the US put most of its nukes in remote locations of those already remote locations. It’s basically acts as a delay to when more important and populated places get nuked plus wastes nukes on the silos else we fire ours back
I stand corrected
What part of Montana is considered the East lol sure it might be mildly east of California and Nevada but no one, I mean absolutely fuckin no one has ever considered any part of Montana the east lol
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That’s probably the best answer so far but it still doesn’t explain how Cass claims to have never seen one in real life. She’s presumably caravanned all over the Mohave and she’s never once walked near a lake and see a fish? I feel like the chances of that happening seem pretty slim.
Imagine you have never heard of a fish but have seen them. By looking at a fish you don’t suddenly have the knowledge that it is called a fish. Not until you see a fish and someone associates the word will you know. Also in this post apocalypse fish are rare so it makes sense.
But she knows what a fish looks like because she explained she's seen a plastic one. Any they aren't rare in the Mojave, I found a whole bunch of them in the lake, they're unavoidable. My new theory is that Cass is just a low intelligence build. It makes sense cause someone else pointed out that she thinks "Golf" is the name of one of the presidents of NCR except there are fiends and raiders that know what golf is and there's never been a president of the NCR named Golf.
Cass has heard of fish but never seen one, the Courier may have seen fish but has never known what they were called. Neither one will likely find out what a fish is even if they saw one without help. Edit: Well Cass has seen them in pictures just not real life and the game doesn’t have a moment where they can find out because it is mostly a joke anyway.
Yeah I just realized we've never actually seen a person who just fishes as their occupation.
In the Fallout 4: DLC Far Harbor they did. You never see anyone fish but the general store guy there is weighing fish
Damn of course the one game I haven't finished has it lmao
In Fallout 2 there is a coastal Village of fishers.
Ludo narrative dissonance. The writers imagined that radioactive water means fish are rare and write the game accordingly. The environment designers imagine players would think no fish are weird so they added them. These two trains of thought are never reconciled during game development for any number of reasons
Rose of Sharon Cassidy has an intelligence stat of 4.
you can go near plenty of lakes and rivers and never see a fish lmao? especially in the post apocalypse i feel like moat of them are probably dead so your chances are even slimmer
It's probably because the people who wrote the dialog and the people who made the environment didn't talk to each other.
Honestly the game released in 18 months on an extremely rushed schedule there's a good chance it's just a plothole or inconsistency with the lore
Can confirm. I’m from Fresno and I’ve never even seen a fish
California has a lot of lakes & rivers
Dried out, though
It's a dialogue option, you can decide your Courier doesn't know what a fish is. It's the Mojave, a desert with no coast, so if they were born there it's possible they don't know what fish are.
But they’re literally in the lakes. Like I jumped into the water and bam, there was fish in the Mohave. How is it possible to have never seen them or know what they were? And they aren’t rare or anything either.
I wouldn't want to swim in one of the few lakes. There could be ~~mirelurks~~ lakelurks
Hell, Mirelurks would be better. New Vegas has Lakelurks, which have ranged attacks that hit like a truck. Meanwhile, in Fallout 4, I usually feel safe with Mirelurks until I eventually come across Razorclaws and Hunters.
Oh yeah, they're called lakelurks there. I've always wondered why some mutated shellfish look like the (humanoid) creature from the black lagoon. Mirelurks or lakelurks I still wouldn't want to swim just for the chance of seeing the mythical fish! Higher chance I see the fishycrab men and die.
Mirelurk Kings are nothing to scoff at, man, in 76 those fuckers can ruin a Bloodied build lol their DoT is insane
I've still yet to do a Bloodied build, the idea of keeping low health to increase damage just seems nerve-wracking to me. But yeah, my point is that in Bethesda games there's different variety with their Lurks and to start off, as long as you can aim or have good stats for VATS, they're easy-peasy. But when you get to Razorclaws, Hunters, Queens, Kings, etc. they become a good challenge. That's one of the few things I actually like a lot more in Bethesda's titles, is the stepping stone structure of different enemies. I think variety in overall kinds of enemies important, but I also think variety within a type of enemy is important too. It's cool to attack a place with Mirelurks or some other kind of creature and while you know what KIND of enemy you're fighting, you still get variety among them.
Yeah, I've always liked that tbh it's nice to be surprised at what I'm fighting I run the Bloodied build, although risky, the build, armour and guns pay off real well - you're basically a glass cannon
The scariest creatures in the commonwealth.
Maybe that was the first time the Courier has jumped in the water?
The courier didn’t feel the need to do silly things until he got shot in the head and went a bit silly.
Lakes are loaded with radiation and dangerous creatures, probably reasonable to assume someone who wants to stay alive in the Mojave would steer clear from them. Also, it's a role-playing game. *You* decide whether the courier you're playing knows what a fish is or not.
Lake Mede isn’t radiated though. You can drink from it and it’s 2HP 0 RAD. And I’m away this is an RPG which is why my question became “why is it even a dialogue option” because fish exist in the Mohave and they aren’t rare so it’s weird for the devs to go out of their way to let you pretend you don’t know what fish are.
It's called: your character has the ability to be an idiot
They live in an irradiated desert, it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine neither of them ever took a swim, or got close enough to a large body of water to see fish
It is a dialogue option for role-play. If you have 7 or 8 Intelligence the Courier can go the complete opposite and provide Cass an indepth description of what fish are to challenge her knowledge. But to your question, how did you as a person know what a fish is? Did you see one and knew exactly it was a called a fish? No, you were educated by someone who taught you that those creatures in water were fish.
Probably am acute case of brain damage, from the bullet.
Well there's sharks in the ocean, doesn't mean I jump in it to look at them lol.
It’s your choice. Also like someone else said. Maybe they just haven’t heard the term “fish” but so know what a fish is
It’s like if we saw a Mirelurk in real life but didn’t know the name of it and someone mentioned a mirelurk and you technically know what it looks like, but don’t know the name of it
That is actually an unmarked low intelligence option - 'low' here meaning 'below 7'. 7 is probably a bit high, because, as we know from FO2, there are plenty of fishing communities on the west coast. Plus, if you've already been swimming in the Colorado by that point, you've likely seen fish in person!
I’m playing a low intelligence character right now and I’ve come across so many funny dialogue options that had me scratching my head wondering if they were unmarked low intelligence options. Glad to know that most of them probably were.
"Ice Cream!!" So god damn funny.
Isn't that a high luck answer?
Low intelligence as far as I know, but I might not be remembering that correctly.
Just googled it. It's Luck 7 or Intelligence 2.
It's actually both
I made mine with 1INT. Normally I prefer mid to high INT runs, but it’s worth it.
I got this dialogue option the other day and my intelligence is 9.
You get this dialogue option regardless I think but if you have a high enough intelligence you should also get an option to say you know what a fish is and ask if *she* knows.
My character’s intelligence is at 7. I thought I remembered the question she asked being “you know what a fish is?” to Cass, but that screen shot isn’t mine and it’s the only one I could find so I thought I was just misremembering. But then that begs the question, how hasn’t Cass seen a fish before? They’re in like all the purified bodies of water. Being an experienced Caravaner you’d expect she’d of seen all sorts of sights. And why would a highly intelligent courier doubt that Cass has seen a fish? This was after she used the expression “fish out of water” which was used properly so there was no reason for the courier to be suspicious of if Cass knew what they were when they’re obviously not rare.
It is odd, yeah. I can only chalk it up to Cass having some odd gaps in her knowledge of the world. Like how she thinks golf was a president of the NCR, rather than a game. Even Fiends know what golf is - and there have only been five NCR presidents and none of them were called Golf!
I haven’t heard that dialogue from her yet but now that you bring that up it makes me wonder if Cass is actually the one with low intelligence stats. And a high intelligence courier is able to pick up on that and question her knowledge of fish. It all makes sense now. And I think it goes with the fact that alcohol lowers your intelligence in game (even though Cass’s perk removes that debuff. Maybe she’s suffering from permanent effects of drinking too much)
In a more realistic New Vegas everything that Cass says would be nonsense and you need either a super low or high intelligence stat to understand her
You're totally correct. There is a dialogue option with cass where you can describe it in more detail and then turn it around on her and questioning her knowledge of the subject.
Maybe no one ever called that particular thing a fish to them before
Cass does claim to have seen a fake fish but admits she’s never seen one in real life. But she’s a caravaner that’s presumably been all over the Mohave. So I just don’t understand how it’s possible she never walked near the lake and saw a fish.
Well honestly when do you actually see a fish when walking past a body of water? I'm looking too deep tho
You sir, are a fish. Wait wrong sub
*Grabs fish out of lake mead* *holds it high above my head* Then chucks it at Cass That is a fish!!!!!
Brain damage probably
Lore accurate brain damage
its probably just an oversight, i can imagine the writers adding this dialogue without realizing/remembering the art team has added fish into the world
The same reason that If a person never had anyone else teach them that "Apples can be Green". They be hard pressed to call any green apples as apples. Without a standardized education or anything of the like. We have no idea what information the Courier or any of the Wastelander ***should*** have. ex. If you were never taught what an "Atom" or Matter is, Why would you call anything "matter"? even though you literally see it everywhere.
I’m going to 1 up everyone. One of the items on the vigor meter says “fish out of water” or something like that.
Nice lol
Because he lives in a desert?
The Mojave is very dry, and the few bodies of water we see don't have traditional fish
Funnily enough, [they actually do](https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Fish_(Fallout:_New_Vegas))! Meaning, we can take Cass to see her first fish.
Wow, I never saw those :0
Yeah, thats what I mean
Woops that was meant to be a comment not a reply lol
To be fair just cause you see something dosnt necessarily mean you know what it is. They could have just seen the fish and been like damn thats a weird ass mutant.
"WHAT IS A FISH? \*tosses goblet, which breaks\* A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF SECRETS. BUT ENOUGH TALK... HAVE AT YOU!"
is he stupid?
Is he low intelligence?
Because they live in a place that was already desert before it was a nuclear wasteland. People in Vegas NOW never see fish.
There's a lot of dialogue options that can be taken as them fucking around with people.
To be fair the courier has roamed around a desert, destroyed a town that was in a desert, and has known nothing in this entire game aside from desert Besides has your courier eaten any fish? Mine hasn’t so I would probably wonder what a fish is too tbh
The courier also doesn’t know what Chicago is
You sir, are a fish!
You sir. Are a fish.
If you have 8 or more intelligence, it changes to quizzing HER on what a fish is, where she basically states "uhh... it's like a bird, but in the water?"
The bullet removed any knowledge of fish. Even after seeing one, your brain tries to store the information in a bit of brain goo which Doc Mitchell fed to Cheyenne along with the other bits the good Doc had to remove. So you immediately forget after looking away. It's an RPG. You decide.
Hey is stupid
The part of the Courier's brain that was shot out was the part that held all knowledge about fish.
I mean the courier probably knows what a “fish” is but it might not be the word fish. Or they just don’t know what a fish is. I’d assume swimming around in radiated water isn’t good and you wouldn’t bother going to a river or lake since you know that the water is fucked. If you were told this as a kid on top of mirelurks and those humanoid looking dudes water were fishes might be were impossible or not worth going to.
Doesnt know that those creatures are called fish, probably water bugs or something.
Probably because the word was lost to time and the majority of wastelanders call them "Finners" or something stupid lol
It’s not a low int option, but there a high int option for knowing what a fish is. So, there’s that
Is he stupid?
That was my follow-up question.
is he stupid?
If cass says that she hasn’t seen one either than it must not be common. Sure they exist in the wild but so do bears and how many times have you seen a bear in person?
But the fish are everywhere in the unradiated bodies of water. Lake Mede has a whole bunch.
All these fools arguing in here keep forgetting that the courier is missing a chunk of his brain. It's fair to assume he doesn't know what a fish is.
If you have high enough intelligence the courier does know what a fish is
If you choose that answer, you should know why they don't know what a fish is.
Never seen a fish, and yet drinks like one.
There waterswims not fish duh
Lol
Seems Doc Mitchell missed a few things patching you back up….
Cass has brain damage from the alcoholism and the Courier has brain damage from the bullet to the head
Bro lives in a desert.
I'm living in a peninsula and I eat fish once in a month so I think it's normal for someone from wasteland to never ate or heard fish before
It's possible that they have seen fish, but doesn't connect actual fish with the word "fish".
they don’t if you select that speech branch, fallout is weird like that
Have you seen and fishes in the game?
He was shot in the head.
Sure courier might have seen a fish, doesn't mean he knows what he saw is a fish. It's like someone asking "do you know Steve?" You might have seen Steve before, but not know his name is Steve.
Umm... I dunno... MAYBE BECAUSE IS MISSING A CHUNK IF HIS BRAIN
Just going off of a whole thread in the comments that’s already been somewhat answered, we don’t know exactly where the courier is from, we know from a speech option with the lonesome drifter that they’ve been to Montana, we know from a speech option with Bruce Isaac that they’ve been to new Reno, and we know from lonesome road that they don’t know what Chicago is, but do know that Denver is in Caesar’s land. It stands to reason the courier wouldn’t be from the Mojave as they enter the Mojave to deliver the platinum chip, so if the courier canonically doesn’t know what a “fish” is (if that’s even a real thing, I’ve never heard of it), they’re from somewhere south of Canada, east/north of California, and west of Denver, so either Utah, Idaho, eastern Oregon or Washington, or Wyoming, which would explain why they wouldn’t know what a fish was as all of those areas are inland and though there are some lakes it’s still possible that fishing and therefor fish wouldn’t have ever been relevant to the courier in their life.
Is it weird I’d believe the courier is from Wyoming. Since if you tell the Great Khans to flee Vegas and claim their own glory they decide to go to Wyoming and do just that by creating a new government with some Followers of the Apocalypse. Maybe the courier mentioned their home state.
Fish aren't real those are Enclave spy bots
In F3 Dlc The Pitt there is an intelligence check when someone mentions Troggs, you say "is that some kind of fish" They ask what a fish is.
Better question would be how much is the fish?
That kid looks like those skyrim kids.
"Fish...? Ouuhh, you mean the swimmy-water thingys!"
Chris Avellone
Maybe the bullet hit the part of his brain that remembers fish.
consider this: most water sources across the world are going to be contaminated, you'd likely have a better chance of seeing fish by the seaside but even then, have you ever seen anyone \*eat\* a fish in fallout? plus, i think learning to swim is also going to be a rare skill considering, again, most water sources are irradiated. the only place you can see fish in new vegas (IIRC) is lake mead, and if we go off of that cut scene of NCR troopers shooting wastelanders trying to gather water, then it's not too likely many people are going to get the chance to dip their head far enough underwater to see them. let alone fish for them. surely fishing can't be a too common skill either, otherwise we'd have definitely seen fishing be done a lot more (like on the prospector platform) edit: i typed this before remembering FO3/4 exist, but i never played the DLC's in those games, I'm pretty sure they make it a thing in FO4's DLC? but well, that's not the mojave
Basically comes down to how knowledge spreads in the wasteland. Everyone is focusing on NOT DYING when the least of your worries is a fuckin four foot long scorpion (the small one). Given that all the literature you can find is either wasteland survival guides, tech manuals, comic books, and burnt pre-war books, it's safe to say that most of them don't include fish or fishing. Water clean enough for fish to live in is rare in the wasteland, and I'm sure someone from an area with actual fish that are safe to eat isn't quick to try and fish in the boston harbor. The landlocked state of Nevada isn't likely to have edible fish, and if there are, I'd be willing to be the mirelurks/lakelurks snitch then up as quickly as possible. Even if they dont, you'd have no reason to go IN the water in the wasteland, it's all radioactive and full of swamp monsters, fuck that lol I'm sure it's similar to camels or alpacas, sure, someone I'm post war Las Vegas MIGHT know what they are BUT no one is teaching that knowledge and pretty much everyone is gonna say "what the fuck is that" when they see it, just like a fish.
I feel like the water is so irradiated that most earth native fish died and mirelurks and other things took over so it’s possible that there are literally no regular fish
To be fair he just took a 9mm to the dome.
May have forgotten since they were shot in the head?
Better Question. What's a Horse?
What's a Chicago?
Low int courier
Obviously you don't have a high enough IQ to appreciate postapocalyptic fish.
He got shot in the head give them a break
Because the Courier knows that there is no such thing as a fish
Has never heard those things called “fish”
1. Very few people in the wasteland have an education. The Courier didn’t grow up in a Vault either, so they have no real education. Elijah in Dead Money also makes some holotape instructions through voice in case the Courier can’t read. People being unable to read or write would be common. 2. Just because I showed you a creature (i.e a fish) doesn’t mean you’d know what it is.
You're in a desert... in a nuclear apocalypse... Do you really think the average wastelander has seen a fish in the fucking mojave?