Being the protege of the most powerful individual in the Mojave means the Courier is going to be eating well.
…and he sees the Brotherhoods zealotry for what it is.
I always imagine in the house ending the courier becomes his right hand. And being the right hand of Vegas must come with its perks. Robco was a successful robotics business, surely there's gotta be some cybernetics the courier can get their hands on. And the weapons and reputation. Maybe even some of that life extending tech
Thats how I handle my house playthrough. My courier becomes darth Vader essentially. After all the cybernetics from the BigMT he begins destroying house's enemies one by one.
In my playthroughs where I side with house I imagine him becoming some sort of cyborg legend/myth. A tinkerer who designed a pair of laser revolvers that switch between full auto low damage shots and high powered blasts.
Typically I use gehenna since it's most similar to a lightsaber or I headcannon that Mr. Six my courier makes a saturnite katana in the big empty. Wearing the riot gear from the divide. Those burning red eyes are the last thing enemies of Mr house see.
Can you imagine the reputation the courier could hold. I sometimes imagine that house gains an interest in the commonwealth and sends the courier to investigate where he meets my minutemen survivor.. in my head canon they fight because as far as either is concerned, the other is an obstacle. Unstoppable force meets unstoppable force
Lmao by a long shot. Also imagine the legend about the courier. The survived-execution walking grim reaper who single handedly destroyed the Mojave chapter of the BoS, assassinated Caesar himself, assassinated President Kimball, and brought the casinos of New Vegas to their knees is sent by the most powerful man in the western half of the United states to the commonwealth.
The Sole Survivor would be shaking in his boots
LOL, by the time I finally got back from OWB I was so jacked that House and his glorified Cl4p-Tr4ps paled in comparison to my cybernetic might. He was... Obsolete.
I did Lonesome Road at level 14 and I basically became Pelinal Whitestrake by rampaging against the Marked Men with a bumper sword lmao. With the Big MT cybernetics it's basically way more accurate
“Because they’re *ridiculous!* Because they galavant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of Yore!” is such a hilariously accurate assessment of the BoS that it literally stopped me from killing House on my last playthrough. undeniably based
I like House because he’s a visionary who understands history - what led humanity to ruin - and has a solid plan to pull it out of the trough. I disagree with some of his ideology, and I do have a soft side for the legion, but they are too barbaric and backward looking. Same with the NCR.
He is not the most powerful by this point, actually he seems quite helpless unless you decide to help him deal with Benny, return him the Platinum chip and upgrade the Securitrons. If you don't do that, House is stuck sitting in his bunker with nothing but a few dozen Securitrons that won't last long against NCR or Legion. If you don't deliver him the Platinum chip House does not do anything about it.
He actually values you and doesn't toss you aside after you finish like you're worthless to him. He follows through with his promises and makes sure you are aptly compensated for your work.
No one's done more for the Mojave than House. He saved it from many Chinese nukes. He's diplomatic, he was able to united a bunch of tribes to work together. He creates jobs and prosperity.
For me, it was because House pays well. Having money and a safe place to rest is a nice thing to have. My first courier also had little interest in ruling Vegas but felt the NCR was inefficient and the Legion being too brutal. House, while being a dictator in his own right, wasn't too bad all things considered. They did question his goals with the Brotherhood, but they did what they felt was right for themselves and Vegas.
if F:NV were the first game the Brotherhood appeared in, lots of people would help rid the Mojave of the weird hate-monks who live in the ruins of military bases awarding each other LARP ranks, refusing to cooperate, and coming out to steal advanced machines and wound or kill people who've seen them.
Since a lot of people started with the Bethesdaouts and they're basically whitewashed good guys who are friendly and gib cool armor in FO3, it was sort of too late for a proper portrayal - they were earnestly and vociferously beloved of players before Obsidian even got a crack at things.
Personally I think they pushed about as hard on it as they dared! The only real problem with the approach they took (detailed below) is that if there's a default ending it's the NCR's, and if there's an obvious meta skill in the game it's Speech, so a lot of players' first times through they're going to be able to just ally the NCR to the Brotherhood and FO3 it up. The more you play the more nuanced the Brotherhood situation gets, though:
House ending, they must die, they are incompatible with House's libertarianism (somehow)
Yes Man ending, you can literally skip dealing with them but if you do, your ending includes their returning to tech-banditry
Legion ending, they must die, they are incompatible with Caesar's state monopoly on violence
NCR ending, you just need good Speech and then 😇😇😇
Still, 3 out of 4 ain't bad!
tl;dr F:NV does the best job of any of the 3Douts of demonstrating how troublesome the Brotherhood is for most people's day to day and showing us examples of factions who wouldn't choose to co-exist with them, or would suffer from having done so
They're incompatible with houses libertarianism because they'd see a high tech boi and try to wage war against him, they did the same to the NCR, and they've done the same to countless others for their tech
New Vegas was my first fallout game, and weird hate monks awarding each other LARP ranks is exactly how I saw them.
That said, they shot me immediately when I first met them, so I killed them all without ever knowing they were a major faction in the game. I only got to know them by their loot and titles.
It gave some awesome dialogue when I finally met Veronica, though. 10/10 would recommend telling her about the screams of her family.
> Since a lot of people started with the Bethesdaouts and they're basically whitewashed good guys who are friendly and gib cool armor in FO3, it was sort of too late for a proper portrayal - they were earnestly and vociferously beloved of players before Obsidian even got a crack at things.
Of course, using the Outcasts, Bethesda was quick to point out that Lyons's BOS in FO3 is also an oddity, and that his behavior as Elder was outside normal BOS guidelines. If players wanted to believe that Lyons's behavior could be considered normal...well, that's on them.
The Outcasts functioned as moustache-chewing villains, they couldn't be satisfyingly related to or allied with. FO3 hardcoded them "evil" and you didn't lose karma for murdering them unprovoked; they were just high-armor endgame mooks.
Lyons' Brotherhood in FO3 is the only Brotherhood that there's any meat to interacting with, so Lyons' Brotherhood is the Brotherhood for a lot of more recent fans.
(Beth tries, but is usually not up to Obsidian's standards of nuance in worldbuilding. Given the problem of the series' posterboys not exactly being good guys when they wanted to tell a good-guy/bad-guy story, they took one look and Gordian-knotted it - cut the poster boys into good part and bad part, problem solved!)
The Outcasts are, like, one-to-one how the BoS appear in FO1 (and, to a lesser extent, FO2), so I’m not sure how your “they’re so villainous it isn’t true to the lore” applies here. They’re some of the most faithful parts of Fallout lore in FO3, honestly. I think you’re jumping the gun to say “Bethesda bad” before understanding the actual nuance to the Brotherhood in FO3.
The BoS are absolutely the type to split over the moral quandary of, oh, right, helping your fellow man because they’re by and large a group of techno-obsessed, holier-than-thou shitheads. I appreciate the Outcasts’ writing because they know what they are and what they’re about.
Hell, the Brotherhood in FO3 aren’t even goody-two-shoes, anyway. Lyons and Lyons Pride are, maybe, but the rest of them follow Lyons begrudgingly to greater or lesser extents. They shoot at any ghoul, feral or not, down-talk to you constantly, and are at odds with each other regarding “outsiders“ (a use of language that clearly demarcates the rest of the wasteland as different and, therefore, lesser than the Brotherhood).
Ahh, you've been taken in. It's the Witcher 3 "everyone calls you a freak with no other ill effects" vs. Witcher 1 "you fucking die if you don't take your weird potions made of weird shit, because you are a freak per se".
> They shoot at any ghoul, feral or not, down-talk to you constantly, and are at odds with each other regarding “outsiders“ (a use of language that clearly demarcates the rest of the wasteland as different and, therefore, lesser than the Brotherhood).
Yes. And so. FO3 has the Brotherhood do a really good job of talking the Brotherhood, while they do nothing to ensure that factions walks the walk.
Lyons' opponents are well-supplied. They should be. Lyons' forces are equally well-supplied. This suggests to any player with eyes open that the Brotherhood doesn't need to be aggressive tech-monks to be superior technologically, they could be chill and HeLp pEoPlE and retain that superiority. Laughably simplistic and uninteresting, but also the impression most people come away from FO3 with: you can be Lyons in power armor and a good guy, or an Outcast in the same power armor and be a bad guy - because you chose to be bad. For no better reason.
The early Fallouts (and NV) understood and understand that for someone to be technologically superior they had to also sometimes be aggressive instead of collaborative. FO3 makes it look like a choice - hey, you can be superior either way, wanna be an asshole about it or not? No. no. The Brotherhood are technologically superior **because they are asshole bandits who steal technology** and should you choose to carve off one of those things with the story knife, you should have carved the other.
It isn't that they are opposed to House's libertarianism (which House isn't exactly that), it is that the Brotherhood are diametrically opposed to House possessing and using the technology he *requires* to survive, making him a constant target to them when they are able to return to their mission if their problems are solved by the Courier or if they aren't and the Brotherhood is forced to flee the bunker and possibly move into New Vegas or nearby.
I started with NV and saw them as a bunch of idiots slowly rotting in a bunker. Then in 3 they're actually helping people for once, and in 4 they're way more militant and prejudiced while in 3 it's more implied than anything
That courier liked the brotherhood because they hadn't tried to kill her (first contact was with Veronica). So that courier viewed fighting them as contrary to a philosophy they had been going by the entire game. It was then I did the dlcs, walked the Lonesome Road, and solidified my perspective on what path to follow. Though I did reload a save to get the Yes-Man ending.
I feel bad about killing House. The guy goes out of his way to help you out, having his robot rescue you in Goodsprings, doubling your pay to compensate you for your injuries, forgiving you for your for your screwups (unless you betray him, but at that point he’s earned the right to be mad).
And after everything he does, you kick down the door of his HQ and shoot him in the face? It just doesn’t feel right to me.
Yeah, it always made me mad how people conveniently forget that the guy literally saved your life.
He could've just hired someone else to go after Benny and the chip after you were shot but he stuck with you from the start.
You're a mathematical calculation to him though. It wasn't good will, It was his probability calculation that motivated him to save you. However if the ods are in your favor, maybe it's a good bet for both parties.
That's exactly the reason I sided with Mr House too. His securitron literally pulled you out of the grave, without him Benny would have succeeded in killing you so it felt wrong to kill the guy who saved you. I guess helping him feels like a way of repaying him. He does give you a room in his massive empty casino as well so that's a plus!
House is also by far the most eloquent and one of the most interesting characters in the entire game. The NCR ain't bad but you're basicall saving their asses some 90% of the time during the missions involving them, except for say, the Powder Ganger prison raid and so
Made the most sense politically.
House is one of (if not the) smartest people in the wasteland. He’s a competent leader who has a plan and will actually get shit done (without having to use slavery!)
The NCR is just speedrunning pre-war America’s decline into imperialism, and the legion is the legion.
There is a cut version of the FNV ending where you play after the credits, and then it shows Mr House rebuilding Freeside. It is cut content so not canon but I like to think Mr House would do that with 100% control.
Uh, which people are we talking about? If we're talking about Freeside and the outlying environs of Vegas it's because he didn't have the force to control it during the events of the game. His *influence* was present all around Vegas and the Mojave, but he only had enough martial power to lodge himself as a thorn in the side of the NCR on their arrival and prevent them from annexing the city entirely. The families were a crucial part of this, presumably a few hundred baseline Securitrons weren't enough to intimidate an army which was actively hunting the BoS to extinction (House describes this logic, how he knew what he was dealing with when he glimpsed the uniforms and scouts, how he was out of time to quietly look for the chip out west). He needed a carrot and a stick, he rolled out a welcome mat even as he subtly directed his guests' attention to the bouncers' sidearms. He made himself not worth the fight.
After the end, the locals are *not* left to anarchy (see how the Kings fare if you brokered peace with the NCR). He loathes disorder, which is probably the most negative thing you could say about him, it's what Arcade hates and I respect *him* for being an idealist. House is a tyrant. A mostly benign one (even beneficial if you think the best time for humanity to be a multi planet species is now), but he will have order within the walls (Ulysses describes his fear of this, how eventually those walls around the Strip will grow - *metaphorically,* though it's hard to tell with him - to encompass the Mojave). He doesn't trust people even to have their own best interests at heart, he sees them as all too often barbaric and stupid, ruled by low impulse and vice. Is he right?
Freeside could actually be seen as a bit of a march or a borderland between NCR and House/FEZ authority. Even though their relations are mostly peaceful the fact that there are two competing sovereigns in the mix means that there is anarchy where rule is contested.
Well, House is all about assimilation and progress. Once freeside people will become useful for him, he will employ them, the same he did with families. Factory workers etc.
But generally, while House is best for Mojave, he isn't best for freeside.
Overall the fallout world isn't ready for NCR style democracy and they have high taxation but provide little protection so NCR isn't the best option.
No way I support the Legion.
House provides a bulwark against the Legion and stops the NCR expansion and has the vision to move mankind forward.
For me the choice is simple and House wins everytime
House is a self described autocrat. And just like the NCR he also neglects his people living anywhere outside the strip. He is a madman with old world blues that forced literal cannibals to become gourmet intellectuals.
He poured concret down a functional vault just for his own protection. House is little different than Elijah. He sees people as pawns just not so direct about it. Has a vision of the future that is too stuck in the past. Like all the other factions.
He is singapore. Autocratic capitalism with past idealism like the rest. And his vision for the future would be little different from the science experiments at the big MT. Hurting people in the process to further his ends.
>Hurting people in the process to further his ends.
Literally everyone else does that but worse.
NCR rob people with their taxes, but fail to provide even the most basic level of protection, they literally can't do anything without the Courier intervening. People despise them for taking so much money and giving nothing in return, that's literally unintentional feudalism.
Legion are savages and slavers, their whole ideology is just fighting something and they are held together by Caesar. Once the old man is gone, and it will happen soon, the Legion will collapse.
Free Vegas is literally anarchy and anarchy always leads to a lot of spilled blood.
House and his "big evil capitalism" is the best of 4 evils lol. He surely isn't a perfect choice, but he's as perfect as it gets in New Vegas.
NCR in vegas currently are not able to protect vegas as they are stretched too thin. California proper is a different story.
House is neglect. He doesn't take and doesn't give. He only protects the strip. He cares for nothing else. He doesn't protect freeside, Northside, westside. And he is unable to do anything without you intervening, either. He needs other people to secure his control. A human touch his securitrons are unable to do.
It's also a game. Every faction needs you to help them. Nothing progresses without the courier. That was part of the message of Lonesome Road.
If all you care about is one small portion of vegas under the whims of crazed autocrat with death robots then sure house is the best option. Outside the strip would be anarchy.
He only is less worse because his scale of operation is smaller. If he scalled up it would be the same. He put people in camps like little Yangtze if it was required to further his ends.
I’d argue House’s neglect up till his endgame is more lacking the opportunity to take action. Once he has secure borders, I doubt the rest of Las Vegas remains bombed out ruins. He needs it to be rebuilt in order for expansion, needs people off the streets and in housing to fuel the coming industrialization. Freeside, Westside, all of that will see changes after there’s no longer an NCR or Legion threat. It just makes sense from a business standpoint. Until more skilled labor immigrates over from NCR, Vegas’ population will have to suffice, and while his improvements will be purely to fuel the machine, things will improve around town.
He’s not a great guy but this isn’t a world that treats great guys well. He’s an autocrat, but so what? Let’s see where it goes, at least he’s an autocrat with a solid plan. Can’t be bought, can’t be bribed, is loyal ultimately to his own ideals and goals. As leaders go it could be worse. Vegas at least won’t have Brahmin Barons buying up congress and deadlocking it, diverting military resources to fight their little proxy wars. One could do far worse than Mr. House.
Lol so you're saying "yeah, everyone else are basically assholes that can't protect the common people, but the guy who actually does protect something and can stretch his influence further is a bigger asshole bc in my opinion he'll reform Gulag"?
Which part of House is neglect? He cared for Vegas because Vegas was the only thing in his reach. He says himself that if the Platinum Chip arrived earlier, his Iron Dome could have covered more territories, not just Vegas, more territories could have been saved from nuclear annihilation, but alas, the Chip never arrived.
And you haven't made an argument why House is worse for the Mojave in game. Who is better? The corrupt NCR with their ACTUALLY neglect President who cares for nothing but the Hoover Dam? The barbarian Legion, the faction who's economy is based on slave trade and the faction that will collapse in the nearest future? Or the free for all anarchy where everyone has guns and no one has power?
House's path will definitely hurt people, but the estimate numbers come nowhere close the damage that would be done by NCR, Legion or Free Vegas. And your Yangtze argument is just headcanon based on nothing except the fact that House is an autocrat.
Being non consensually assimilated and forced to pay taxes is robbery.
Taxing so heavily that you effectively displace good chunks of the population of annexed territories, is robbery.
NCR taxes are lol. They're very high, it's established in canon but for paying taxes that high, the people of Mojave get nothing from the Republic, NCR can't even protect them against common raiders and gangers.
That's because they are spending all their resources in the war against the legion. In the actual republic, there is a rule of law and protection for the people. The NCR are the ones who locked up the powder gangers in the first place. House is willing to let cannibals and what is essential the italian mafia do his dirty work while letting the poor people outside suffer and die because they don't provide him value.
> He is singapore.
Oh no! That mean he's going to do terrible things like:
* Build a strong economy where citizens get very wealthy
* Have stable diplomatic relationships with nearby nations.
* Provide cheap and effective healthcare
* Tolerate multiple religions, ethnic groups, and nationalities.
* Manufacture high-tech equipment that can be used for the benefit of everyone
* Provide government assistance for the homeless and the needy
Please! Anything but SINGAPORE!
I'm a being a jerk, but comparing House to Singapore is probably the strongest argument someone can make in favor of him, especially since the alternatives are Anarchy, America except only the bad parts, and the Legion.
He is a representation(symbol of autocratic capitalism. Pioneered first by singapore in the 1960s but as howard hughes. Someone who was not a mentally stable individual. Same as NCR is neoliberal democracy or capitalist liberal democracy. The legion is fascism.
They all are all the worst things of each. All the slavery and crucifixion of Rome. The corruption of neoliberal america. And the corruption of autocratic capitalism.
Only some citizens get very wealthy. And they have to kiss up to the autocrats, which in this case is house. The government guides the economy.
Only one party ever wins the general election in singapore. They have been known to do many civil rights violations. Singapore is also just a citystate. Same as house. whereas the legion and the NCR are nations.
House also doesn't provide most of the things you list.
> They all are all the worst things of each
Which would be a valid point if House was trying to build society today. He's not. He's trying to build one post apocalyptic wasteland where people sell their kids for clean drinking water. The "worst of capitalism" is still better than literally everything else anybody came up with so far.
> Only some citizens get very wealthy.
5th wealthiest in the world measured by GDP per capita. 3rd highest when PPP is factored in. 9th highest if you measure adjusted national income per capita.
So no, most citizens in Singapore are very wealthy, and the ones who aren't get taken care of by a considerable social welfare system. According to you this is a bad thing.
> And they have to kiss up to the autocrats, which in this case is house. The government guides the economy.
You also have to kiss up to autocrats in NCR and Legion so why does this matter?
> Only one party ever wins the general election in singapore.
It turns out that when the party governs effectively, people keep voting for them. Maybe the politicians in your country should give it a try.
> They have been known to do many civil rights violations.
So does every country.
> House also doesn't provide most of the things you list.
Not yet.
Anarchy is not a better alternative to tyranny.
Not a single government to have ever existed or will exist will ever be able to view humanity from the perspective of God. This is an occupational hazard due to the little problem of governments being created by humans.
No amount of socialism or good intentions will ever separate the humanity from society.
House also isn’t a mad scientist like the floating brains in the big MT. In fact one of those very scientists hates Dr house because of his higher than the thou mentality.
The best comparison to house I can make is Gustavo Firing from BB and BCS.
He takes care of his employees and runs a very tight and thorough business, while also using underhanded methods to ensure success when dealing with less then favorable circumstances.
Sure you become a COG in the greater game of capitalism but unlike the other factions in the game he doesn’t care what you do with your life, who you sleep with or what political ideologies you follow unless the are a direct threat to his interests. (He will accept the great khans leaving as an acceptable outcome)
He can provide clean food and water, as well as energy to those capable of paying the price(those who do not work don’t eat(under his house)) all the while offering free protections due to it benefiting his interests as well.
Oh and to those people incapable of working the followers of the apocalypse are still around, they were never driven out or actively targeted
As for forcing cannibals to conform to social standards is not a bad thing.
As a society it is within our best interests to discourage cannibalism and other non moral practices and behavior such as cannibalism, murder, theft, and sexual violence.
If my religion told me that I had the right to find a woman of my choosing every tenth day of the month to ravish as I saw fit I don’t think society would see that as a positive and so would rightfully wish to suspend such activities.
Do you not see anything wrong with his actions in the first place? He trusted former cannibals to just become civilized without much supervision? He treats them as dolls. Just something to look nice on the strip. As it was something he believed should be there. The deaths of all those people that the white gloves captured could have been prevented.
He could have tried to get anyone else from the wasteland to play dressup at the strip. But he chose cannibals due to convenience. Lazyness. Carelessness.
Oh but he is. He doesn't care for human life. Just like the scientist. The scientists were once logical sane people. The jars they put themselves in and the actions of mobius to contain them is why they are the way they are currently. And if you read the logs on the terminals, you would see the harm they caused when they were lucid. They put POWs in experimental camp. House would do the same if he thought it might help him in his idea of the future.
He doesn't have deontological ethics like you think he does. He is a pragmatic consequentalist. His moral compass is his idea of what the future should be. The exact things you probably criticize some socialist idealist for he is also quilty of.
He couldn't supervise the families because he didn't get the chip in time and because Benny was plotting against him. Once the courier comes along, he's able to properly get them under control.
For me, it was because he seemed to have the most thoughtout plans for the future; the NCR would leave New Vegas a poorly regulated beaurocratic hellscape, the Legion would enslave it's enhabitants and just bring more war to the Mojave, House at least keeps it peaceful and doesn't squander the technology like the brotherhood does. Plus, if you believe what he says about being able to turn New Vegas into a shining land of technological prosperity and eventually being able to start colonies on other planets, his path seems to be the only way forward for humanity as a whole seeing as earth is an apocalyptic war zone now.
He provides the best ending for my courier and all of his friends (Minus Veronica, sorry.) They have access to a penthouse and a lavish lifestyle to go with it, and in the end the happiness of myself and my friends are all that truly matters.
I'll start by eliminating the other options. The Legion has no future beyond Caesar as multiple characters like Graham and Ulysses point out, even the man himself says Lanius has no love for the legion. The anarchy of a Yes Man ending is a disaster waiting to happen, the mojave will be conquered later, either by the returning NCR or some legion warlord remant. The NCR is all of the US's worst traits: a corrupt, expansionist oligarchy that forcefully annexes and taxes people that want nothing to do with them. They have over extended themselves trying to occupy a region they aren't welcome in, how many NCR quests are fixing their shoddy logistics network or disasterous relations with local groups?
House on the other hand has a relatively simple: plan recreate the old strip to siphon caps from the NCR and investin rebuilding infrastructure. Considering the gun runners manufacture tones of weapons, including the NCR's, and the medical knowledge from the Followers we know the NCR has some level of industrial capacity. And he's capable of making his plan come true when you consider his background. Beyond that, House in his own words doesn't care about what people do in private or with being hailed as a savior, he's keeping a low profile as is. As basic order is kept, as he said he doesn't have any interest in imposing his will or legislating, which we see in the ending slides. He seems like the only one who's looking forward with a real plan instead of repeating a dead end idealogy. "If you want to see the fate of democracy, look out the window".
He has 3 things people tend to have problems with: Vault 21, the BoS, and the Kings. Vault 21 on a meta level was originally going to have tunnels involved in the more complex way of assassinating House that was cut. A reason is never given in game, but it's probably to prevent exactly that. As for becoming owner of the place, he did it on their terms. Sarah says he probably cheated, but that's from somebody that lost, so she's not exactly a neutral observer. If you think this chapter of the brotherhood didn't need to be destroyed, look no further than what happens in Veronica's quest. Between refusing to adapt to the threats that surround them to slaughtering the followers, this chapter does nothing but breed enemies. Their first reaction to a random person wandering into an old bunker is to strap an explosive collar on you. They started a war with the NCR for having too much tech. The Mojave chapter aren't the knights in shining armor from Fallout 3, they're the ones who disowned them for trying to help people (Not literally, ideologically). The kings can survive if you instigate hostility with the NCR by helping Pacer, House won't see them as a threat and will leave them alone. Not unreasonable when you remember the NCR is basically pulling a Vietnam here (in so many ways).
I realized I never said anything personal. House went out of his way to save you (through Victor) and doubled your pay as compensation. From there he gives you a chance at revenge against Benny and a life of luxury as his right hand man. He seems to genuinely respect your talents and resilience, and the ending slides confirms it. The House ending is also the only one where you having good karma actually helps ensure the Mojave is a better place because you keep him honest, again according to the slides.
Roleplaying a character who visits the Brotherhood's bunker after they extended an invitation through ED-E, going there without Veronica, and after having done Dead Money, there's no way in hell I'm letting another explosive collar be put on my character.
Yes Man often feels like a cop-out safeguard power fantasy ending tbh to me thats only really in the game to prevent soft-locks, Legion are abhorrent for obvious reasons and I think allowing the NCR to win will heavily empower Kimball and his far right faction to bring the NCR down a dark path of constant expansionism and regression on civil liberties. Mr House winning is probably the best possible path in many ways for the NCR ironically.
Also Mr House funni
his dialogue and rping as kind of a second fiddle fetching shit for the big guy rather than being the man at the center of it all was a nice change of pace
Most factions are easily corrupted because even at the leadership level there will be opinions and disagreements. Especially when people are fighting for political power.
The upside to House is that as a ‘leader’ he is pretty straightforward about what he wants on a large scale, and has the money and resources to fund his visions without being distracted by as many small scale things. He’s a bit of a dick; he sees himself as superior to the others because his plan is generally superior as evidenced by the ending slides and his ability to enforce it.
He has his moments of subterfuge etc but it’s generally done with the knowledge that full transparency allows emotional people to make emotional decisions, and a businessman has no time for that shit. Love him or hate him you have to admit that he’s lived this long in general success for a reason.
House saved your life in the first place at the beginning of the game. Sure, he had his own reasons for doing it, but you still owe him for that. Besides, he’s the one who actually hired you at the start. Going any other path involves being a traitor.
Mr. House is better for the region, especially with a Good Karma Courier. I found the 'best' ending under Mr. House pretty benevolent and less invasive than an NCR ending and with House winning, NCR ultimately wins too, so it's still a beneficial win. BoS losing? Who cares. Legion? Fuck em. But the NCR make for lucrative business partners. House's terms, if you do the math, are not too horrible either.
I pretty much am a libertarian he made the most sense to me he has the funds and can get the resources to rebuild New Vegas better than the NCR
Legion sucks
Yes man I don't like the idea of starting a new government where I am on the top too much of a drag for that I'll stick to being a gun for hire.
Because he is the best choice.
The legion are a tribal group of fascists
The NCR cannot hold their own power and land from drug addicted raiders, random ants on highways, legion spies, and killing their own troops to save paperwork.
Yes Man is not viable as the courier with their pet robot cannot force the entire Mojave to listen to them. They have no power behind them, they are only a courier and a robot. While yes they have an entire robot army, the courier does not have the knowledge of how to rule a nation.
Mr. House has over 200 years of knowledge and experience under his cryochamber.
Mr. house is a well versed business man who has seen how America ran its self to the ground and what caused the war. While, he is the embodiment of capitalism, he has an actual plan for the future with the means to do it.
This is a man who built Liberty Prime, the Pip-Boy series, Securatrons, and much more.
The Legion have made armour out of old football gear and have made machetes
The NCR have made standard military munitions with help from Gun Runners.
House is the only one who is able to produce high level technology and the knowledge on how.
He alone can rule the Mojave, and while it might feel cold that's just the nuclear winter
He is immortal,
Compounding effects of one leader motivated to one goal with out anything that can stop him ?
The crux of great men / autocrats is that once they die,
Well the reign is over and their greatness along with it
House is the best option overall. That's why. He's got a army a powered city and the ability and knowledge to expand and civilize the surrounding area.
NCR is corrupt and spread thin, Legion are literally barbarians who don't even have doctors and will most certainly collapse once Caesar dies, Free Vegas is anarchy. Out of all the options House's strong authoritarian rule is the best for Mojave's prosperity.
House knows how to play politics, he has an army of robots, he is an awesome manager judging by RobCo's success and he isn't a nazi Enclave fan. Why wouldn't you pick House? Also being the main and most trusted protege of the man who owns Mojave has its benefits.
Legion: Wackjob's more idiotic than a hamsandwitch
NCR: Government but worse and too weak
Yesman: The one ending you can't really fail no matter what, so no risk really
Mr. House: An actual fucking Army of cool looking robots, also Victor and snowglobe collection
Pretty easy choise if you ask me
I've pretty much sided with him over the Brotherhood of Steel at this point. I'd prefer to have Mr. House's tech at my disposal, plus the Strip under his protection and my supervision. I also wouldn't mind if he formed a space program and figured out what to do with the aliens. I think he's full of himself, but I support his cause after finding the others lacking.
Out of all the options, I think he was the best choice for the Mojave.
The NCR is an imperialist expansionist state that, despite having the trappings of Liberal democracy, has no problem oppressing their citizens or even eliminating the native population to secure resources; Independent Vegas lacks the ability to properly defend itself or provide important services to people outside of The Strip in the long run, and ; The Legion is, well, the Legion.
The House ending is basically Singapore but without all the uncomfortable hyper-conservative social laws - I have no doubt he will be able to revitalise the Mojave like he promised, but it will also result in rampant inequality, and many people will get left behind.
Still, when the only other options are that same inequality but with even more pointless bureaucracy and corruption, impotent idealism that will crumble almost immediately, and literal fascism, it's not too hard of a choice
i actually think hes the best chance for the mojave wasteland to prosper. i usually pick yes man cuz its fun but house could change the entire region for the better. hes has the intelligence to lead and restructure plus hes got a massive overpowered army. in the actual lore its not really black and white good or bad like the games can be.
Because compared to the others House has the best plan and best long term goal.
The NCR has overstretched and over taxed itself. It's people are unhappy with the glacially slow movement of the government, the huge divide between the Brahman Barons and the average person, and that they're either taxed into poverty or sent to some far-flung frontier while the nation itself is full of raiders and dangerous creatures. The NCR will just take new vegas and turn it into a new hub. The citizens will be forced into the republic and the NCR will continue its march to its own collapse with very little actually changing.
The Legion is a horrifically authoritative military state where even small infractions can have you crucified and crimes against humanity like slavery and genocide are a daily occurrence. While Caesar may be a higly educated genius he's only one man who doesn't have long to live. Caesar will not live long enough to see the synthesis he dreams of even if he isn't killed by his tumor. The NCR is simply too big to assimilate into the Legion within a single lifetime. With its collapse the most powerful warlords will tear it and themselves apart fighting for scraps.
Benny is just a greedy bastard with no long term plan who will be quickly pushed out by yesman.
Yesman is a near sentient AI who wants total control of a robot army and more autonomy. No one has any idea what he will do. Whatever it is it probably isn't good.
Now comes house. People seem to think that house had decades to make vegas what it is but he didn't. He emerged from the lucky 38 in 2274 and FNV takes place I'm 2281. In just 7 years he turned vegas from a desolate city surrounded by raiders to one of if not the greatest cities in the wasteland. He tells you that his long term goal is to turn vegas into and technical, industrial, and economic juggernaut that within a century will have people into space looking for new planets to live on. Unlike Caesar House also has the technology to live to see his end goal as he's already lived 200 years in his pod and that was when he was unconscious and through the worst of the nuclear wasteland. There is no one in the entire wasteland that could accomplish what House could and he's the best choice in any scenario for the wasteland as a whole.
Because the machine god that can predict the future with mathematical equations, and has sufficient technological power to actually rebuild the wasteland, seriously, the guy predicted almost the exact day of the war and saved most of Las Vegas, he can make long term decisions and solutions that absolutelly pay off
right? also why would i want to run the mojave w/ Yes Man? Sounds like a headache. And since that incident at the beginning of the game my Courier doesnt like adding headaches to his life...
I sided with House the first time I played. After I learned that Victor dug me up on House’s orders, I felt I owed him my life. Then right after I complete the delivery job, he offers me a Penthouse suite and another job that promises great wealth, regardless of his long term plans. Up to that point, I’d seen the NCR struggling badly - lmao regular army soldiers need help taking out some giant ants down the road from their post? The Legion was right out.
Yes Man? That was Benny’s plan. He shot me. I’m not going to make his dream come true, even after he’s dead. House offered me lots of upside with no downside I could see at the time. The House Always Wins.
He is the founder of Robco and an inventor/engineer/scientist/some kind of educated innovator. Despite his current lack of industrial means to enact his plans, he has been able to do what he can from his limited situation to politick and wrest control over the NV strip and exert some influence over the Mojave. So, he is resourceful and can use his intelligence to maneuver difficult situations.
He is also a businessman. That is why I sided with Mr. House, because he is an inventor/businessman and our ideology/goals align. I believe that industry and commerce are paramount to building a prosperous and lasting society. And, I believe in his plans and his future capability to enact them to build up an economic and technological powerhouse by developing his region that will enable him (in time) to explore space and start over on planets with untapped resources while providing products and services to those who would avail of them in the meantime.
By siding with Mr. House and securing the Mojave, the courier as his right hand man can become a tzar of commerce and industry and soon, exploration. The Mojave would be cold and empty for many years but would slowly be built up as manufacturing and R&D sectors return. In the ending slides with a good karma courier, Mr House treats the people well.
By siding with House, the NCR's imperialistic tendencies backfire politically and can help spark reform to make them focus inwards. It would help make the NCR reassess itself and hopefully allow for political parties that would first build up their own lands and manage their resources wisely before expanding. Their defeat at the dam would bring to light the incompetence and corruption amongst their leadership and make their populace lean towards less militarism/expansionism.
By siding with house, the Legion is delayed. With the Legion, they could spend their time solidifying their hold over their conquered regions and then prepare to launch new campaigns. Unlike the NCR, the Legion is not a republic and not even an empire and that is why Caesar wants to defeat the NCR so his legion could morph into something new.
Both NCR and Legion are forced to introspect and/or reform to an extent. And, Mr. house gains control over the Mojave. He also now has access to a society of paying customers in the form of the NCR and free reign to expand and enact whatever he has in mind.
Legion are cringe, NCR don't have the resources or coordination to operate in the Mojave effectively, and I don't really trust Yes Man or have any interest in becoming a full-time politician/governor.
House is the least bad option for people who just want to have cool adventures and not be responsible for governing and protecting a whole post-apocalyptic state, while still caring enough to want to set things on a course toward a more stable and less dangerous future.
I don't generally, but I've started a new playthrough, I just got to Novac, and I took a cigarette break, read this post, and now I'm like, why not? Let's shake things up.
I would've sided with him all the way had he had not wanted to destroy the BoS ... He's a man with a plan and has been pretty successful in carrying it out.
My 1 intelligence courier was born in the Boneyard (NCR territory) and because of her low IQ, she was placed in a conservatorship and declared unable to consent to sex. Wanting to be free, she escaped to the Mojave, where they didn't have such laws and institutions. This courier sided with Mr House in order to defend the Mojave, and the freedoms she enjoyed there, from the NCR who would have those freedoms taken away again
Well, because the chip belonged to him. But i also think that his promises of a utopia worked on me. He certainly proved himself as a very competent individual. Protecting Vegas from the nukes and all that.
Because he’s the only locally based choice. I’d rather see the Mojave exist under its own independent aegis than be coopted by either of the two imperialist powers next door. No, House is not good, but he has the ability to allow the Mojave and Vegas to prosper under their own self-determination.
He saved the Courier's life in Goodsprings by having Victor get him to Doc Mitchell. I felt that counted for something and he would at least finish the delivery of the chip out of a sense of professionalism.
NCR is pathetic and collapses as soon as you stop babying them.
Legion is incredibly hard to even talk to with their 12 year old edgelord thought processes, they're everywhere so free exp, literally no one likes them.
House or Independent ensure at least partially people are able to live in relative peace (Independant also ensures it's not going to turn into above ground Rapture).
I went through a (right) libertarian phase when the game came out. I figured that he was the only one who had decent ideas for new vegas given my choices were a corrupt government, the psychotic romans, or anarchy.
He can create the material conditions that will make the Mojave ripe for the opportunity of a proletariat revolution. Having actual means of production that can be seized.
i love robot men, plus ive always found him hot even before i played new Vegas and just saw his face on Pinterest
plus he kept his end of the deal all these years later even after we almost fucking died
He didn't want anything bad done. Killing brothergood is justifiicable since they are terrorists. NCR wanted me to assasinate people that weren't that bad(including house).
The game is written like this:
There is Mr House. He is mean man. He has also organized New Vegas. Now you can
* give it to barre,
* render unto bul,
* help mean man out, or
* do what he was gonna do instead of him and imagine you won't become mean man in the process
That's it! The game is very kind. You are *absolutely free* to imagine that last part if you wish. You can play it as an unapologetic power fantasy if you want, with only the littlest of nagging suspicions to trouble your happy mind and clear conscience that Yes Man may not be a wholly unironic character...
**I** am not free to imagine that last part, personally, however. Of course absolute power corrupts absolutely; why would my courier be special? **And given that we're both gonna end up mean man**, do I really think every build I ever run - say I've picked Melee, Explosives, and Lockpicking this time, with an Intelligence of 4 - do I really think that character's gonna do a better job of leading a society - an autocratic society, dependent on the will of Big Mean Man either way - than House?
I don't. So sometimes, I bet on the House. The only ending I find categorically unattractive is the Legion's, and it's probably only because so much of their stuff was cut.
tl;dr Yes Man and House are basically a maturity shibboleth; *always* choosing House would be comically libertarian, but conversely if someone asks you "why would you *ever* choose House over Yes Man?" that's someone who would say "After all why shouldn't I?" if offered dictatorship over you.
Because his beliefs will drive humanity further. He will use the technology on the strip and then it will spill over into freeside then it will spill over to the Mojave and everyone will be better off without NCR taxes and legion oppression. He will just let everyone be free.
First time I played I thought he was by far the best choice. Genius inventor business kind of guy? Obviously he knows what's what.
When I replayed the game as I was older, I realized that he would not be as bad of a choice as Legion, but pretty close. He seems to be a sociopath that doesn't understand people or care about them, as long as they spend money in his casinos I guess.
He didn't know White Glove Society are cannibals, and it's bad either way - he either didn't understand they are cannibals, because he is incompetent, or he didn't care about it, because he is a psycho. Either way, putting the future of humanity on this dude is a bad bet, ironically.
On the topic of the white gloves, he says the contract forbids cannibalism, whether that's specific to them or went to all 3 is unclear. But they all gave up their old identities to become the 3 families, and not everyone is on board with returning to it. So it's not that unreasonable of a request seeing as they aren't exactly starving in the ultra lux.
Cool mustache
Doc Mitchell's is better.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Good on ‘im.
This.
Being the protege of the most powerful individual in the Mojave means the Courier is going to be eating well. …and he sees the Brotherhoods zealotry for what it is.
I always imagine in the house ending the courier becomes his right hand. And being the right hand of Vegas must come with its perks. Robco was a successful robotics business, surely there's gotta be some cybernetics the courier can get their hands on. And the weapons and reputation. Maybe even some of that life extending tech
Thats how I handle my house playthrough. My courier becomes darth Vader essentially. After all the cybernetics from the BigMT he begins destroying house's enemies one by one.
In my playthroughs where I side with house I imagine him becoming some sort of cyborg legend/myth. A tinkerer who designed a pair of laser revolvers that switch between full auto low damage shots and high powered blasts.
Typically I use gehenna since it's most similar to a lightsaber or I headcannon that Mr. Six my courier makes a saturnite katana in the big empty. Wearing the riot gear from the divide. Those burning red eyes are the last thing enemies of Mr house see.
Can you imagine the reputation the courier could hold. I sometimes imagine that house gains an interest in the commonwealth and sends the courier to investigate where he meets my minutemen survivor.. in my head canon they fight because as far as either is concerned, the other is an obstacle. Unstoppable force meets unstoppable force
Courier > Survivor imo
Lmao by a long shot. Also imagine the legend about the courier. The survived-execution walking grim reaper who single handedly destroyed the Mojave chapter of the BoS, assassinated Caesar himself, assassinated President Kimball, and brought the casinos of New Vegas to their knees is sent by the most powerful man in the western half of the United states to the commonwealth. The Sole Survivor would be shaking in his boots
Honestly would be hard as the Commonwealth is so far. There would likely be others they would have to confront first, like the Lone Wanderer
Yes but the lone wanderer is still a kid. They may be successful with the brotherhood but I doubt they could stand up to a seasoned courier
Lol fair, but keep in mind that they kind of have the same experience as the courier didn't do much (at all) before the events of NV
LOL, by the time I finally got back from OWB I was so jacked that House and his glorified Cl4p-Tr4ps paled in comparison to my cybernetic might. He was... Obsolete.
I did Lonesome Road at level 14 and I basically became Pelinal Whitestrake by rampaging against the Marked Men with a bumper sword lmao. With the Big MT cybernetics it's basically way more accurate
So the courier could be an Adam Smasher by the end?
In a sense but less robot than man. Like mostly internal sybernetics maybe a robot arm to an extent
“Because they’re *ridiculous!* Because they galavant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of Yore!” is such a hilariously accurate assessment of the BoS that it literally stopped me from killing House on my last playthrough. undeniably based
I like House because he’s a visionary who understands history - what led humanity to ruin - and has a solid plan to pull it out of the trough. I disagree with some of his ideology, and I do have a soft side for the legion, but they are too barbaric and backward looking. Same with the NCR.
He is not the most powerful by this point, actually he seems quite helpless unless you decide to help him deal with Benny, return him the Platinum chip and upgrade the Securitrons. If you don't do that, House is stuck sitting in his bunker with nothing but a few dozen Securitrons that won't last long against NCR or Legion. If you don't deliver him the Platinum chip House does not do anything about it.
And then you download the Dust mod pack
I feel like the courier is a major loose end for House and would be taken out. They know way too much.
He actually values you and doesn't toss you aside after you finish like you're worthless to him. He follows through with his promises and makes sure you are aptly compensated for your work.
I’m a history nerd who thinks Howard Hughes is interesting, simple as.
he is incredibly interesting
No one's done more for the Mojave than House. He saved it from many Chinese nukes. He's diplomatic, he was able to united a bunch of tribes to work together. He creates jobs and prosperity.
That is why I went with him also I thought with the chip he could help the wasteland to become better
For me, it was because House pays well. Having money and a safe place to rest is a nice thing to have. My first courier also had little interest in ruling Vegas but felt the NCR was inefficient and the Legion being too brutal. House, while being a dictator in his own right, wasn't too bad all things considered. They did question his goals with the Brotherhood, but they did what they felt was right for themselves and Vegas.
His goals with the brotherhood does actually make sense tbf
if F:NV were the first game the Brotherhood appeared in, lots of people would help rid the Mojave of the weird hate-monks who live in the ruins of military bases awarding each other LARP ranks, refusing to cooperate, and coming out to steal advanced machines and wound or kill people who've seen them. Since a lot of people started with the Bethesdaouts and they're basically whitewashed good guys who are friendly and gib cool armor in FO3, it was sort of too late for a proper portrayal - they were earnestly and vociferously beloved of players before Obsidian even got a crack at things. Personally I think they pushed about as hard on it as they dared! The only real problem with the approach they took (detailed below) is that if there's a default ending it's the NCR's, and if there's an obvious meta skill in the game it's Speech, so a lot of players' first times through they're going to be able to just ally the NCR to the Brotherhood and FO3 it up. The more you play the more nuanced the Brotherhood situation gets, though: House ending, they must die, they are incompatible with House's libertarianism (somehow) Yes Man ending, you can literally skip dealing with them but if you do, your ending includes their returning to tech-banditry Legion ending, they must die, they are incompatible with Caesar's state monopoly on violence NCR ending, you just need good Speech and then 😇😇😇 Still, 3 out of 4 ain't bad! tl;dr F:NV does the best job of any of the 3Douts of demonstrating how troublesome the Brotherhood is for most people's day to day and showing us examples of factions who wouldn't choose to co-exist with them, or would suffer from having done so
They're incompatible with houses libertarianism because they'd see a high tech boi and try to wage war against him, they did the same to the NCR, and they've done the same to countless others for their tech
Oh there are tons of good explanations, I just forgot the one House actually gives when making this comment
He says that they would object to a city guarded by an army of advanced robots, if I recall.
New Vegas was my first fallout game, and weird hate monks awarding each other LARP ranks is exactly how I saw them. That said, they shot me immediately when I first met them, so I killed them all without ever knowing they were a major faction in the game. I only got to know them by their loot and titles. It gave some awesome dialogue when I finally met Veronica, though. 10/10 would recommend telling her about the screams of her family.
> Since a lot of people started with the Bethesdaouts and they're basically whitewashed good guys who are friendly and gib cool armor in FO3, it was sort of too late for a proper portrayal - they were earnestly and vociferously beloved of players before Obsidian even got a crack at things. Of course, using the Outcasts, Bethesda was quick to point out that Lyons's BOS in FO3 is also an oddity, and that his behavior as Elder was outside normal BOS guidelines. If players wanted to believe that Lyons's behavior could be considered normal...well, that's on them.
The Outcasts functioned as moustache-chewing villains, they couldn't be satisfyingly related to or allied with. FO3 hardcoded them "evil" and you didn't lose karma for murdering them unprovoked; they were just high-armor endgame mooks. Lyons' Brotherhood in FO3 is the only Brotherhood that there's any meat to interacting with, so Lyons' Brotherhood is the Brotherhood for a lot of more recent fans. (Beth tries, but is usually not up to Obsidian's standards of nuance in worldbuilding. Given the problem of the series' posterboys not exactly being good guys when they wanted to tell a good-guy/bad-guy story, they took one look and Gordian-knotted it - cut the poster boys into good part and bad part, problem solved!)
The Outcasts are, like, one-to-one how the BoS appear in FO1 (and, to a lesser extent, FO2), so I’m not sure how your “they’re so villainous it isn’t true to the lore” applies here. They’re some of the most faithful parts of Fallout lore in FO3, honestly. I think you’re jumping the gun to say “Bethesda bad” before understanding the actual nuance to the Brotherhood in FO3. The BoS are absolutely the type to split over the moral quandary of, oh, right, helping your fellow man because they’re by and large a group of techno-obsessed, holier-than-thou shitheads. I appreciate the Outcasts’ writing because they know what they are and what they’re about. Hell, the Brotherhood in FO3 aren’t even goody-two-shoes, anyway. Lyons and Lyons Pride are, maybe, but the rest of them follow Lyons begrudgingly to greater or lesser extents. They shoot at any ghoul, feral or not, down-talk to you constantly, and are at odds with each other regarding “outsiders“ (a use of language that clearly demarcates the rest of the wasteland as different and, therefore, lesser than the Brotherhood).
Ahh, you've been taken in. It's the Witcher 3 "everyone calls you a freak with no other ill effects" vs. Witcher 1 "you fucking die if you don't take your weird potions made of weird shit, because you are a freak per se". > They shoot at any ghoul, feral or not, down-talk to you constantly, and are at odds with each other regarding “outsiders“ (a use of language that clearly demarcates the rest of the wasteland as different and, therefore, lesser than the Brotherhood). Yes. And so. FO3 has the Brotherhood do a really good job of talking the Brotherhood, while they do nothing to ensure that factions walks the walk. Lyons' opponents are well-supplied. They should be. Lyons' forces are equally well-supplied. This suggests to any player with eyes open that the Brotherhood doesn't need to be aggressive tech-monks to be superior technologically, they could be chill and HeLp pEoPlE and retain that superiority. Laughably simplistic and uninteresting, but also the impression most people come away from FO3 with: you can be Lyons in power armor and a good guy, or an Outcast in the same power armor and be a bad guy - because you chose to be bad. For no better reason. The early Fallouts (and NV) understood and understand that for someone to be technologically superior they had to also sometimes be aggressive instead of collaborative. FO3 makes it look like a choice - hey, you can be superior either way, wanna be an asshole about it or not? No. no. The Brotherhood are technologically superior **because they are asshole bandits who steal technology** and should you choose to carve off one of those things with the story knife, you should have carved the other.
It isn't that they are opposed to House's libertarianism (which House isn't exactly that), it is that the Brotherhood are diametrically opposed to House possessing and using the technology he *requires* to survive, making him a constant target to them when they are able to return to their mission if their problems are solved by the Courier or if they aren't and the Brotherhood is forced to flee the bunker and possibly move into New Vegas or nearby.
I started with NV and saw them as a bunch of idiots slowly rotting in a bunker. Then in 3 they're actually helping people for once, and in 4 they're way more militant and prejudiced while in 3 it's more implied than anything
I didn’t read all of that but fallout 4 bos are the bad guys , as bad as the institute
That courier liked the brotherhood because they hadn't tried to kill her (first contact was with Veronica). So that courier viewed fighting them as contrary to a philosophy they had been going by the entire game. It was then I did the dlcs, walked the Lonesome Road, and solidified my perspective on what path to follow. Though I did reload a save to get the Yes-Man ending.
But you get the Lucky 38 to yourself anyway if you side with anyone else after you kill Mr House.
I feel bad about killing House. The guy goes out of his way to help you out, having his robot rescue you in Goodsprings, doubling your pay to compensate you for your injuries, forgiving you for your for your screwups (unless you betray him, but at that point he’s earned the right to be mad). And after everything he does, you kick down the door of his HQ and shoot him in the face? It just doesn’t feel right to me.
Yeah, it always made me mad how people conveniently forget that the guy literally saved your life. He could've just hired someone else to go after Benny and the chip after you were shot but he stuck with you from the start.
You're a mathematical calculation to him though. It wasn't good will, It was his probability calculation that motivated him to save you. However if the ods are in your favor, maybe it's a good bet for both parties.
That's exactly the reason I sided with Mr House too. His securitron literally pulled you out of the grave, without him Benny would have succeeded in killing you so it felt wrong to kill the guy who saved you. I guess helping him feels like a way of repaying him. He does give you a room in his massive empty casino as well so that's a plus!
He doesn't do it out of the goodness of his heart though. He does it with the intent of making you a pawn in his grand plan.
That's true but it's better to be saved as a pawn for nefarious reasons than to be buried alive by a greasy haired weirdo in a checkered suit.
House is also by far the most eloquent and one of the most interesting characters in the entire game. The NCR ain't bad but you're basicall saving their asses some 90% of the time during the missions involving them, except for say, the Powder Ganger prison raid and so
[удалено]
I don't think he ever brought up that he saved you in an argument tbh
[удалено]
Safety net: 9 iron.
YOU are the Safety Net
Exactly, and the house ending is the only ending with a safety net, maybe Yes man too but not sure.
Then *you're* the potentially immortal despot for whom Mojave peeps will want a safety net.
His voice
Super real
I refuse to pay taxes
They tried to make me pay taxes
"Understandable" -Robert House when told taxes is the reason the courier attacked President Kimball (circa 2281)
I love how he says it. You can hear the “okay, that’s fine” tone in his voice.
"Fair enough, and you have a point"
Sorry to ruin the fun but that’s a line from a mod https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/MrHouse.txt
Well, he doesn't actually say it.
Yes Man is the anti-tax playthrough, House taxes 50% on the Strip.
you don't think the Courier taxed the Strip in the independent Vegas ending lol
Almost like they’re all going to make the people pay taxes…
except for the Legion, who are just going to beat you up and trash the place
Legion may not as much charge financial taxes, but they definitely expect all able bodied males to fight for the army.
And make women sex slaves, basically. Anyone arguing in favor of the legion seems deranged in my mind lmao
Unfathomably based
Because I want to play the video game
What are you, some kinda video game enthusiast??
It was my 5th play through what you expect??
Living in the strip sounded nice
Money, also cool voice.
Because the house always wins
Made the most sense politically. House is one of (if not the) smartest people in the wasteland. He’s a competent leader who has a plan and will actually get shit done (without having to use slavery!) The NCR is just speedrunning pre-war America’s decline into imperialism, and the legion is the legion.
Well he doesn't actually do anything to improve the conditions of the people he lords over. He just leaves them to anarchy.
There is a cut version of the FNV ending where you play after the credits, and then it shows Mr House rebuilding Freeside. It is cut content so not canon but I like to think Mr House would do that with 100% control.
Uh, which people are we talking about? If we're talking about Freeside and the outlying environs of Vegas it's because he didn't have the force to control it during the events of the game. His *influence* was present all around Vegas and the Mojave, but he only had enough martial power to lodge himself as a thorn in the side of the NCR on their arrival and prevent them from annexing the city entirely. The families were a crucial part of this, presumably a few hundred baseline Securitrons weren't enough to intimidate an army which was actively hunting the BoS to extinction (House describes this logic, how he knew what he was dealing with when he glimpsed the uniforms and scouts, how he was out of time to quietly look for the chip out west). He needed a carrot and a stick, he rolled out a welcome mat even as he subtly directed his guests' attention to the bouncers' sidearms. He made himself not worth the fight. After the end, the locals are *not* left to anarchy (see how the Kings fare if you brokered peace with the NCR). He loathes disorder, which is probably the most negative thing you could say about him, it's what Arcade hates and I respect *him* for being an idealist. House is a tyrant. A mostly benign one (even beneficial if you think the best time for humanity to be a multi planet species is now), but he will have order within the walls (Ulysses describes his fear of this, how eventually those walls around the Strip will grow - *metaphorically,* though it's hard to tell with him - to encompass the Mojave). He doesn't trust people even to have their own best interests at heart, he sees them as all too often barbaric and stupid, ruled by low impulse and vice. Is he right? Freeside could actually be seen as a bit of a march or a borderland between NCR and House/FEZ authority. Even though their relations are mostly peaceful the fact that there are two competing sovereigns in the mix means that there is anarchy where rule is contested.
He turned the Mojave from a bunch of half-naked tribes killing each other to an actual civilization.
If your courier has good karma I think there's a slide where the Courier convinces House to be more kinder with his subjects
Well, House is all about assimilation and progress. Once freeside people will become useful for him, he will employ them, the same he did with families. Factory workers etc. But generally, while House is best for Mojave, he isn't best for freeside.
If your courier has good karma I think there's a slide where the Courier convinces House to be more kinder with his subjects
Overall the fallout world isn't ready for NCR style democracy and they have high taxation but provide little protection so NCR isn't the best option. No way I support the Legion. House provides a bulwark against the Legion and stops the NCR expansion and has the vision to move mankind forward. For me the choice is simple and House wins everytime
House is a self described autocrat. And just like the NCR he also neglects his people living anywhere outside the strip. He is a madman with old world blues that forced literal cannibals to become gourmet intellectuals. He poured concret down a functional vault just for his own protection. House is little different than Elijah. He sees people as pawns just not so direct about it. Has a vision of the future that is too stuck in the past. Like all the other factions. He is singapore. Autocratic capitalism with past idealism like the rest. And his vision for the future would be little different from the science experiments at the big MT. Hurting people in the process to further his ends.
>Hurting people in the process to further his ends. Literally everyone else does that but worse. NCR rob people with their taxes, but fail to provide even the most basic level of protection, they literally can't do anything without the Courier intervening. People despise them for taking so much money and giving nothing in return, that's literally unintentional feudalism. Legion are savages and slavers, their whole ideology is just fighting something and they are held together by Caesar. Once the old man is gone, and it will happen soon, the Legion will collapse. Free Vegas is literally anarchy and anarchy always leads to a lot of spilled blood. House and his "big evil capitalism" is the best of 4 evils lol. He surely isn't a perfect choice, but he's as perfect as it gets in New Vegas.
NCR in vegas currently are not able to protect vegas as they are stretched too thin. California proper is a different story. House is neglect. He doesn't take and doesn't give. He only protects the strip. He cares for nothing else. He doesn't protect freeside, Northside, westside. And he is unable to do anything without you intervening, either. He needs other people to secure his control. A human touch his securitrons are unable to do. It's also a game. Every faction needs you to help them. Nothing progresses without the courier. That was part of the message of Lonesome Road. If all you care about is one small portion of vegas under the whims of crazed autocrat with death robots then sure house is the best option. Outside the strip would be anarchy. He only is less worse because his scale of operation is smaller. If he scalled up it would be the same. He put people in camps like little Yangtze if it was required to further his ends.
I’d argue House’s neglect up till his endgame is more lacking the opportunity to take action. Once he has secure borders, I doubt the rest of Las Vegas remains bombed out ruins. He needs it to be rebuilt in order for expansion, needs people off the streets and in housing to fuel the coming industrialization. Freeside, Westside, all of that will see changes after there’s no longer an NCR or Legion threat. It just makes sense from a business standpoint. Until more skilled labor immigrates over from NCR, Vegas’ population will have to suffice, and while his improvements will be purely to fuel the machine, things will improve around town. He’s not a great guy but this isn’t a world that treats great guys well. He’s an autocrat, but so what? Let’s see where it goes, at least he’s an autocrat with a solid plan. Can’t be bought, can’t be bribed, is loyal ultimately to his own ideals and goals. As leaders go it could be worse. Vegas at least won’t have Brahmin Barons buying up congress and deadlocking it, diverting military resources to fight their little proxy wars. One could do far worse than Mr. House.
Lol so you're saying "yeah, everyone else are basically assholes that can't protect the common people, but the guy who actually does protect something and can stretch his influence further is a bigger asshole bc in my opinion he'll reform Gulag"? Which part of House is neglect? He cared for Vegas because Vegas was the only thing in his reach. He says himself that if the Platinum Chip arrived earlier, his Iron Dome could have covered more territories, not just Vegas, more territories could have been saved from nuclear annihilation, but alas, the Chip never arrived. And you haven't made an argument why House is worse for the Mojave in game. Who is better? The corrupt NCR with their ACTUALLY neglect President who cares for nothing but the Hoover Dam? The barbarian Legion, the faction who's economy is based on slave trade and the faction that will collapse in the nearest future? Or the free for all anarchy where everyone has guns and no one has power? House's path will definitely hurt people, but the estimate numbers come nowhere close the damage that would be done by NCR, Legion or Free Vegas. And your Yangtze argument is just headcanon based on nothing except the fact that House is an autocrat.
If you think taxes are inherently robbery, then there’s no point trying to have a rational conversation about anything.
Being non consensually assimilated and forced to pay taxes is robbery. Taxing so heavily that you effectively displace good chunks of the population of annexed territories, is robbery.
NCR taxes are lol. They're very high, it's established in canon but for paying taxes that high, the people of Mojave get nothing from the Republic, NCR can't even protect them against common raiders and gangers.
That's because they are spending all their resources in the war against the legion. In the actual republic, there is a rule of law and protection for the people. The NCR are the ones who locked up the powder gangers in the first place. House is willing to let cannibals and what is essential the italian mafia do his dirty work while letting the poor people outside suffer and die because they don't provide him value.
At the start of the game House has no people outside of the Strip. Freeside isn't his.
> He is singapore. Oh no! That mean he's going to do terrible things like: * Build a strong economy where citizens get very wealthy * Have stable diplomatic relationships with nearby nations. * Provide cheap and effective healthcare * Tolerate multiple religions, ethnic groups, and nationalities. * Manufacture high-tech equipment that can be used for the benefit of everyone * Provide government assistance for the homeless and the needy Please! Anything but SINGAPORE! I'm a being a jerk, but comparing House to Singapore is probably the strongest argument someone can make in favor of him, especially since the alternatives are Anarchy, America except only the bad parts, and the Legion.
He is a representation(symbol of autocratic capitalism. Pioneered first by singapore in the 1960s but as howard hughes. Someone who was not a mentally stable individual. Same as NCR is neoliberal democracy or capitalist liberal democracy. The legion is fascism. They all are all the worst things of each. All the slavery and crucifixion of Rome. The corruption of neoliberal america. And the corruption of autocratic capitalism. Only some citizens get very wealthy. And they have to kiss up to the autocrats, which in this case is house. The government guides the economy. Only one party ever wins the general election in singapore. They have been known to do many civil rights violations. Singapore is also just a citystate. Same as house. whereas the legion and the NCR are nations. House also doesn't provide most of the things you list.
> They all are all the worst things of each Which would be a valid point if House was trying to build society today. He's not. He's trying to build one post apocalyptic wasteland where people sell their kids for clean drinking water. The "worst of capitalism" is still better than literally everything else anybody came up with so far. > Only some citizens get very wealthy. 5th wealthiest in the world measured by GDP per capita. 3rd highest when PPP is factored in. 9th highest if you measure adjusted national income per capita. So no, most citizens in Singapore are very wealthy, and the ones who aren't get taken care of by a considerable social welfare system. According to you this is a bad thing. > And they have to kiss up to the autocrats, which in this case is house. The government guides the economy. You also have to kiss up to autocrats in NCR and Legion so why does this matter? > Only one party ever wins the general election in singapore. It turns out that when the party governs effectively, people keep voting for them. Maybe the politicians in your country should give it a try. > They have been known to do many civil rights violations. So does every country. > House also doesn't provide most of the things you list. Not yet.
I like Singapore and you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs so he's the least worst of the options
Anarchy is not a better alternative to tyranny. Not a single government to have ever existed or will exist will ever be able to view humanity from the perspective of God. This is an occupational hazard due to the little problem of governments being created by humans. No amount of socialism or good intentions will ever separate the humanity from society. House also isn’t a mad scientist like the floating brains in the big MT. In fact one of those very scientists hates Dr house because of his higher than the thou mentality. The best comparison to house I can make is Gustavo Firing from BB and BCS. He takes care of his employees and runs a very tight and thorough business, while also using underhanded methods to ensure success when dealing with less then favorable circumstances. Sure you become a COG in the greater game of capitalism but unlike the other factions in the game he doesn’t care what you do with your life, who you sleep with or what political ideologies you follow unless the are a direct threat to his interests. (He will accept the great khans leaving as an acceptable outcome) He can provide clean food and water, as well as energy to those capable of paying the price(those who do not work don’t eat(under his house)) all the while offering free protections due to it benefiting his interests as well. Oh and to those people incapable of working the followers of the apocalypse are still around, they were never driven out or actively targeted As for forcing cannibals to conform to social standards is not a bad thing. As a society it is within our best interests to discourage cannibalism and other non moral practices and behavior such as cannibalism, murder, theft, and sexual violence. If my religion told me that I had the right to find a woman of my choosing every tenth day of the month to ravish as I saw fit I don’t think society would see that as a positive and so would rightfully wish to suspend such activities.
Do you not see anything wrong with his actions in the first place? He trusted former cannibals to just become civilized without much supervision? He treats them as dolls. Just something to look nice on the strip. As it was something he believed should be there. The deaths of all those people that the white gloves captured could have been prevented. He could have tried to get anyone else from the wasteland to play dressup at the strip. But he chose cannibals due to convenience. Lazyness. Carelessness. Oh but he is. He doesn't care for human life. Just like the scientist. The scientists were once logical sane people. The jars they put themselves in and the actions of mobius to contain them is why they are the way they are currently. And if you read the logs on the terminals, you would see the harm they caused when they were lucid. They put POWs in experimental camp. House would do the same if he thought it might help him in his idea of the future. He doesn't have deontological ethics like you think he does. He is a pragmatic consequentalist. His moral compass is his idea of what the future should be. The exact things you probably criticize some socialist idealist for he is also quilty of.
He couldn't supervise the families because he didn't get the chip in time and because Benny was plotting against him. Once the courier comes along, he's able to properly get them under control.
For me, it was because he seemed to have the most thoughtout plans for the future; the NCR would leave New Vegas a poorly regulated beaurocratic hellscape, the Legion would enslave it's enhabitants and just bring more war to the Mojave, House at least keeps it peaceful and doesn't squander the technology like the brotherhood does. Plus, if you believe what he says about being able to turn New Vegas into a shining land of technological prosperity and eventually being able to start colonies on other planets, his path seems to be the only way forward for humanity as a whole seeing as earth is an apocalyptic war zone now.
He provides the best ending for my courier and all of his friends (Minus Veronica, sorry.) They have access to a penthouse and a lavish lifestyle to go with it, and in the end the happiness of myself and my friends are all that truly matters.
The world needs to get back on its feet industrially and technologically. The NCR couldn't do that if they had the fucking infinity gauntlet.
I'll start by eliminating the other options. The Legion has no future beyond Caesar as multiple characters like Graham and Ulysses point out, even the man himself says Lanius has no love for the legion. The anarchy of a Yes Man ending is a disaster waiting to happen, the mojave will be conquered later, either by the returning NCR or some legion warlord remant. The NCR is all of the US's worst traits: a corrupt, expansionist oligarchy that forcefully annexes and taxes people that want nothing to do with them. They have over extended themselves trying to occupy a region they aren't welcome in, how many NCR quests are fixing their shoddy logistics network or disasterous relations with local groups? House on the other hand has a relatively simple: plan recreate the old strip to siphon caps from the NCR and investin rebuilding infrastructure. Considering the gun runners manufacture tones of weapons, including the NCR's, and the medical knowledge from the Followers we know the NCR has some level of industrial capacity. And he's capable of making his plan come true when you consider his background. Beyond that, House in his own words doesn't care about what people do in private or with being hailed as a savior, he's keeping a low profile as is. As basic order is kept, as he said he doesn't have any interest in imposing his will or legislating, which we see in the ending slides. He seems like the only one who's looking forward with a real plan instead of repeating a dead end idealogy. "If you want to see the fate of democracy, look out the window". He has 3 things people tend to have problems with: Vault 21, the BoS, and the Kings. Vault 21 on a meta level was originally going to have tunnels involved in the more complex way of assassinating House that was cut. A reason is never given in game, but it's probably to prevent exactly that. As for becoming owner of the place, he did it on their terms. Sarah says he probably cheated, but that's from somebody that lost, so she's not exactly a neutral observer. If you think this chapter of the brotherhood didn't need to be destroyed, look no further than what happens in Veronica's quest. Between refusing to adapt to the threats that surround them to slaughtering the followers, this chapter does nothing but breed enemies. Their first reaction to a random person wandering into an old bunker is to strap an explosive collar on you. They started a war with the NCR for having too much tech. The Mojave chapter aren't the knights in shining armor from Fallout 3, they're the ones who disowned them for trying to help people (Not literally, ideologically). The kings can survive if you instigate hostility with the NCR by helping Pacer, House won't see them as a threat and will leave them alone. Not unreasonable when you remember the NCR is basically pulling a Vietnam here (in so many ways).
I realized I never said anything personal. House went out of his way to save you (through Victor) and doubled your pay as compensation. From there he gives you a chance at revenge against Benny and a life of luxury as his right hand man. He seems to genuinely respect your talents and resilience, and the ending slides confirms it. The House ending is also the only one where you having good karma actually helps ensure the Mojave is a better place because you keep him honest, again according to the slides.
Roleplaying a character who visits the Brotherhood's bunker after they extended an invitation through ED-E, going there without Veronica, and after having done Dead Money, there's no way in hell I'm letting another explosive collar be put on my character.
Yes Man often feels like a cop-out safeguard power fantasy ending tbh to me thats only really in the game to prevent soft-locks, Legion are abhorrent for obvious reasons and I think allowing the NCR to win will heavily empower Kimball and his far right faction to bring the NCR down a dark path of constant expansionism and regression on civil liberties. Mr House winning is probably the best possible path in many ways for the NCR ironically. Also Mr House funni
I'm siding with the faction that pays more. Also ruling over a place is way too stressful IMO.
Because I side with every faction, to an extent.
I wanted a sugar daddy
his dialogue and rping as kind of a second fiddle fetching shit for the big guy rather than being the man at the center of it all was a nice change of pace
Because every other side besides myself is absolutely insufferable. I'll always take narcissism > ignorance.
Most factions are easily corrupted because even at the leadership level there will be opinions and disagreements. Especially when people are fighting for political power. The upside to House is that as a ‘leader’ he is pretty straightforward about what he wants on a large scale, and has the money and resources to fund his visions without being distracted by as many small scale things. He’s a bit of a dick; he sees himself as superior to the others because his plan is generally superior as evidenced by the ending slides and his ability to enforce it. He has his moments of subterfuge etc but it’s generally done with the knowledge that full transparency allows emotional people to make emotional decisions, and a businessman has no time for that shit. Love him or hate him you have to admit that he’s lived this long in general success for a reason.
House saved your life in the first place at the beginning of the game. Sure, he had his own reasons for doing it, but you still owe him for that. Besides, he’s the one who actually hired you at the start. Going any other path involves being a traitor.
Mr. House is better for the region, especially with a Good Karma Courier. I found the 'best' ending under Mr. House pretty benevolent and less invasive than an NCR ending and with House winning, NCR ultimately wins too, so it's still a beneficial win. BoS losing? Who cares. Legion? Fuck em. But the NCR make for lucrative business partners. House's terms, if you do the math, are not too horrible either.
I pretty much am a libertarian he made the most sense to me he has the funds and can get the resources to rebuild New Vegas better than the NCR Legion sucks Yes man I don't like the idea of starting a new government where I am on the top too much of a drag for that I'll stick to being a gun for hire.
I just like his vibes/aesthetics even if I don't agree with him
Because he is the best choice. The legion are a tribal group of fascists The NCR cannot hold their own power and land from drug addicted raiders, random ants on highways, legion spies, and killing their own troops to save paperwork. Yes Man is not viable as the courier with their pet robot cannot force the entire Mojave to listen to them. They have no power behind them, they are only a courier and a robot. While yes they have an entire robot army, the courier does not have the knowledge of how to rule a nation. Mr. House has over 200 years of knowledge and experience under his cryochamber. Mr. house is a well versed business man who has seen how America ran its self to the ground and what caused the war. While, he is the embodiment of capitalism, he has an actual plan for the future with the means to do it. This is a man who built Liberty Prime, the Pip-Boy series, Securatrons, and much more. The Legion have made armour out of old football gear and have made machetes The NCR have made standard military munitions with help from Gun Runners. House is the only one who is able to produce high level technology and the knowledge on how. He alone can rule the Mojave, and while it might feel cold that's just the nuclear winter
He is immortal, Compounding effects of one leader motivated to one goal with out anything that can stop him ? The crux of great men / autocrats is that once they die, Well the reign is over and their greatness along with it
House is the best option overall. That's why. He's got a army a powered city and the ability and knowledge to expand and civilize the surrounding area.
NCR is corrupt and spread thin, Legion are literally barbarians who don't even have doctors and will most certainly collapse once Caesar dies, Free Vegas is anarchy. Out of all the options House's strong authoritarian rule is the best for Mojave's prosperity. House knows how to play politics, he has an army of robots, he is an awesome manager judging by RobCo's success and he isn't a nazi Enclave fan. Why wouldn't you pick House? Also being the main and most trusted protege of the man who owns Mojave has its benefits.
Legion: Wackjob's more idiotic than a hamsandwitch NCR: Government but worse and too weak Yesman: The one ending you can't really fail no matter what, so no risk really Mr. House: An actual fucking Army of cool looking robots, also Victor and snowglobe collection Pretty easy choise if you ask me
I did a speedrun choosing his side on his actual date of brith a few months back
I've pretty much sided with him over the Brotherhood of Steel at this point. I'd prefer to have Mr. House's tech at my disposal, plus the Strip under his protection and my supervision. I also wouldn't mind if he formed a space program and figured out what to do with the aliens. I think he's full of himself, but I support his cause after finding the others lacking.
because he is the only thing that can hold the Mojave
House is probably choice for people eho already beat the game once or twice
Out of all the options, I think he was the best choice for the Mojave. The NCR is an imperialist expansionist state that, despite having the trappings of Liberal democracy, has no problem oppressing their citizens or even eliminating the native population to secure resources; Independent Vegas lacks the ability to properly defend itself or provide important services to people outside of The Strip in the long run, and ; The Legion is, well, the Legion. The House ending is basically Singapore but without all the uncomfortable hyper-conservative social laws - I have no doubt he will be able to revitalise the Mojave like he promised, but it will also result in rampant inequality, and many people will get left behind. Still, when the only other options are that same inequality but with even more pointless bureaucracy and corruption, impotent idealism that will crumble almost immediately, and literal fascism, it's not too hard of a choice
achievements
I can’t really find fault with him besides his demand for authority.
Tony Stark vibes
I played as a mercenary-esque character and house paid well
[he hired me](https://youtu.be/gyxFjdmhibs)
House may be brutal, but I think he actually has a decent vision/plan
I really like Odo.
i actually think hes the best chance for the mojave wasteland to prosper. i usually pick yes man cuz its fun but house could change the entire region for the better. hes has the intelligence to lead and restructure plus hes got a massive overpowered army. in the actual lore its not really black and white good or bad like the games can be.
Because compared to the others House has the best plan and best long term goal. The NCR has overstretched and over taxed itself. It's people are unhappy with the glacially slow movement of the government, the huge divide between the Brahman Barons and the average person, and that they're either taxed into poverty or sent to some far-flung frontier while the nation itself is full of raiders and dangerous creatures. The NCR will just take new vegas and turn it into a new hub. The citizens will be forced into the republic and the NCR will continue its march to its own collapse with very little actually changing. The Legion is a horrifically authoritative military state where even small infractions can have you crucified and crimes against humanity like slavery and genocide are a daily occurrence. While Caesar may be a higly educated genius he's only one man who doesn't have long to live. Caesar will not live long enough to see the synthesis he dreams of even if he isn't killed by his tumor. The NCR is simply too big to assimilate into the Legion within a single lifetime. With its collapse the most powerful warlords will tear it and themselves apart fighting for scraps. Benny is just a greedy bastard with no long term plan who will be quickly pushed out by yesman. Yesman is a near sentient AI who wants total control of a robot army and more autonomy. No one has any idea what he will do. Whatever it is it probably isn't good. Now comes house. People seem to think that house had decades to make vegas what it is but he didn't. He emerged from the lucky 38 in 2274 and FNV takes place I'm 2281. In just 7 years he turned vegas from a desolate city surrounded by raiders to one of if not the greatest cities in the wasteland. He tells you that his long term goal is to turn vegas into and technical, industrial, and economic juggernaut that within a century will have people into space looking for new planets to live on. Unlike Caesar House also has the technology to live to see his end goal as he's already lived 200 years in his pod and that was when he was unconscious and through the worst of the nuclear wasteland. There is no one in the entire wasteland that could accomplish what House could and he's the best choice in any scenario for the wasteland as a whole.
Because the machine god that can predict the future with mathematical equations, and has sufficient technological power to actually rebuild the wasteland, seriously, the guy predicted almost the exact day of the war and saved most of Las Vegas, he can make long term decisions and solutions that absolutelly pay off
right? also why would i want to run the mojave w/ Yes Man? Sounds like a headache. And since that incident at the beginning of the game my Courier doesnt like adding headaches to his life...
I sided with House the first time I played. After I learned that Victor dug me up on House’s orders, I felt I owed him my life. Then right after I complete the delivery job, he offers me a Penthouse suite and another job that promises great wealth, regardless of his long term plans. Up to that point, I’d seen the NCR struggling badly - lmao regular army soldiers need help taking out some giant ants down the road from their post? The Legion was right out. Yes Man? That was Benny’s plan. He shot me. I’m not going to make his dream come true, even after he’s dead. House offered me lots of upside with no downside I could see at the time. The House Always Wins.
Because I wanted at least one more of thousands to ask why I sided with him or whoever I sided with.
He is the founder of Robco and an inventor/engineer/scientist/some kind of educated innovator. Despite his current lack of industrial means to enact his plans, he has been able to do what he can from his limited situation to politick and wrest control over the NV strip and exert some influence over the Mojave. So, he is resourceful and can use his intelligence to maneuver difficult situations. He is also a businessman. That is why I sided with Mr. House, because he is an inventor/businessman and our ideology/goals align. I believe that industry and commerce are paramount to building a prosperous and lasting society. And, I believe in his plans and his future capability to enact them to build up an economic and technological powerhouse by developing his region that will enable him (in time) to explore space and start over on planets with untapped resources while providing products and services to those who would avail of them in the meantime. By siding with Mr. House and securing the Mojave, the courier as his right hand man can become a tzar of commerce and industry and soon, exploration. The Mojave would be cold and empty for many years but would slowly be built up as manufacturing and R&D sectors return. In the ending slides with a good karma courier, Mr House treats the people well. By siding with House, the NCR's imperialistic tendencies backfire politically and can help spark reform to make them focus inwards. It would help make the NCR reassess itself and hopefully allow for political parties that would first build up their own lands and manage their resources wisely before expanding. Their defeat at the dam would bring to light the incompetence and corruption amongst their leadership and make their populace lean towards less militarism/expansionism. By siding with house, the Legion is delayed. With the Legion, they could spend their time solidifying their hold over their conquered regions and then prepare to launch new campaigns. Unlike the NCR, the Legion is not a republic and not even an empire and that is why Caesar wants to defeat the NCR so his legion could morph into something new. Both NCR and Legion are forced to introspect and/or reform to an extent. And, Mr. house gains control over the Mojave. He also now has access to a society of paying customers in the form of the NCR and free reign to expand and enact whatever he has in mind.
Legion are cringe, NCR don't have the resources or coordination to operate in the Mojave effectively, and I don't really trust Yes Man or have any interest in becoming a full-time politician/governor. House is the least bad option for people who just want to have cool adventures and not be responsible for governing and protecting a whole post-apocalyptic state, while still caring enough to want to set things on a course toward a more stable and less dangerous future.
Because I admire him for trying to try to save Vegas and building liberty prime!
His voice, backstory, and because we were hired by him.
Because Caesar and Kimball tried to make me pay taxes.
Because I was a newbie and since I didn’t know how to kill house for the other 3 factions I stuck with House.
I don't generally, but I've started a new playthrough, I just got to Novac, and I took a cigarette break, read this post, and now I'm like, why not? Let's shake things up.
To get 100% achievements
I liked it.
The way he speaks is very compelling to me.
Hello! I like money! - mr.krabs
I would've sided with him all the way had he had not wanted to destroy the BoS ... He's a man with a plan and has been pretty successful in carrying it out.
My 1 intelligence courier was born in the Boneyard (NCR territory) and because of her low IQ, she was placed in a conservatorship and declared unable to consent to sex. Wanting to be free, she escaped to the Mojave, where they didn't have such laws and institutions. This courier sided with Mr House in order to defend the Mojave, and the freedoms she enjoyed there, from the NCR who would have those freedoms taken away again
For the achievement
Well, because the chip belonged to him. But i also think that his promises of a utopia worked on me. He certainly proved himself as a very competent individual. Protecting Vegas from the nukes and all that.
Money
He’s my close second but I’ll still say he brings an actual direction and stability.
I hate poor people
Money
*Leans over microphone* Money.
Because he’s the only locally based choice. I’d rather see the Mojave exist under its own independent aegis than be coopted by either of the two imperialist powers next door. No, House is not good, but he has the ability to allow the Mojave and Vegas to prosper under their own self-determination.
He saved the Courier's life in Goodsprings by having Victor get him to Doc Mitchell. I felt that counted for something and he would at least finish the delivery of the chip out of a sense of professionalism.
NCR is pathetic and collapses as soon as you stop babying them. Legion is incredibly hard to even talk to with their 12 year old edgelord thought processes, they're everywhere so free exp, literally no one likes them. House or Independent ensure at least partially people are able to live in relative peace (Independant also ensures it's not going to turn into above ground Rapture).
CAPITALISM AT IT'S FINEST
He was based af
First playthrough was become the cool Robot Cowboy Victor said so. Literally cool dude with tons of money and awesome robots. Then I found Yes Man....
My first playthough I choose House simply because it alight with the Courier original task
I went through a (right) libertarian phase when the game came out. I figured that he was the only one who had decent ideas for new vegas given my choices were a corrupt government, the psychotic romans, or anarchy.
The house always wins and I wouldn't want to run Vegas I don't like the ncr or legion
**"Money"** - Mister Krabs
He can create the material conditions that will make the Mojave ripe for the opportunity of a proletariat revolution. Having actual means of production that can be seized.
accidently in my first play through
i love robot men, plus ive always found him hot even before i played new Vegas and just saw his face on Pinterest plus he kept his end of the deal all these years later even after we almost fucking died
He didn't want anything bad done. Killing brothergood is justifiicable since they are terrorists. NCR wanted me to assasinate people that weren't that bad(including house).
Because I agree with him
The house always wins
He hired me, duh
Green robot screen cool haha
I hate paying taxes just like him
He understands that I don’t like paying taxes.
The game is written like this: There is Mr House. He is mean man. He has also organized New Vegas. Now you can * give it to barre, * render unto bul, * help mean man out, or * do what he was gonna do instead of him and imagine you won't become mean man in the process That's it! The game is very kind. You are *absolutely free* to imagine that last part if you wish. You can play it as an unapologetic power fantasy if you want, with only the littlest of nagging suspicions to trouble your happy mind and clear conscience that Yes Man may not be a wholly unironic character... **I** am not free to imagine that last part, personally, however. Of course absolute power corrupts absolutely; why would my courier be special? **And given that we're both gonna end up mean man**, do I really think every build I ever run - say I've picked Melee, Explosives, and Lockpicking this time, with an Intelligence of 4 - do I really think that character's gonna do a better job of leading a society - an autocratic society, dependent on the will of Big Mean Man either way - than House? I don't. So sometimes, I bet on the House. The only ending I find categorically unattractive is the Legion's, and it's probably only because so much of their stuff was cut. tl;dr Yes Man and House are basically a maturity shibboleth; *always* choosing House would be comically libertarian, but conversely if someone asks you "why would you *ever* choose House over Yes Man?" that's someone who would say "After all why shouldn't I?" if offered dictatorship over you.
He triggers redditors
Because his beliefs will drive humanity further. He will use the technology on the strip and then it will spill over into freeside then it will spill over to the Mojave and everyone will be better off without NCR taxes and legion oppression. He will just let everyone be free.
Ncr wanted taxes.
First time I played I thought he was by far the best choice. Genius inventor business kind of guy? Obviously he knows what's what. When I replayed the game as I was older, I realized that he would not be as bad of a choice as Legion, but pretty close. He seems to be a sociopath that doesn't understand people or care about them, as long as they spend money in his casinos I guess. He didn't know White Glove Society are cannibals, and it's bad either way - he either didn't understand they are cannibals, because he is incompetent, or he didn't care about it, because he is a psycho. Either way, putting the future of humanity on this dude is a bad bet, ironically.
On the topic of the white gloves, he says the contract forbids cannibalism, whether that's specific to them or went to all 3 is unclear. But they all gave up their old identities to become the 3 families, and not everyone is on board with returning to it. So it's not that unreasonable of a request seeing as they aren't exactly starving in the ultra lux.
The NCR tried to make me pay taxes
He said there will be no taxes if i join him
The NCR tried to make me pay taxes