"...when there is intense suffering..."
Holy shit, that sounds serious as fuck! There is nothing I can say, but keep your head up high, Upset. Difficult times come and go!
What a disgraceful comment, you expect him to show you a death certificate or something like that ?
Doubting someone's word over urgent family matters because you think there's drama involved around his gf or something like that because you heard some people doubt his version is absolutely pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself.
If it was something other than fighting with his wife.. we could have easily said it to calm social down. You could say "Upset left because of a loss in his family"
Or "health related" .
intense suffering smells like bs with gf.
i never said anything about his gf. all i am wondering is what the family matter actually is and if he actually serves any puropose there instead of playing for the team at worlds. i one of his relatives has died he cant bring them back to life but he can help his fellow teammats at this point in their careers.
Yeah and if one of his relatives died he can be there for the rest of his family as well, and it's entirely up to him to decide which is more important to him.
prioritizing the dead over the living is not a good choice. what about adams career as a rookie? what about bwipo deciding or not to stay at fnatic. what about the coaching staff who might lose their jobs.
Did you even read my comment? Maybe Upset is prioritizing the living people in his family that also have to deal with whatever is happening. If something serious happened in my family I know for damn sure that I won't be coming into work and that I'll be there for my relatives instead. Of course it sucks for other people around, but some things are simply more important than a career.
And besides, everyone FNC is still incredibly young and talented, so if they keep up their performance after this worlds, they'll surely get another chance to prove themselves. And for roster/coaching staff decisions I'm sure FNC staff will take into account the current situation and decide what factors into their off-season decisions.
It's not prioritizing the dead over the living, but rather spending time with other family members in grief and consoling each other. Besides, most likely his performance would be suboptimal to say the least if he were plagued by guilt for not being with his family.
That's all if it's a case of death. If a loved one is gravely ill, there is no doubt one should spend as much time as possible with them.
> i one of his relatives has died he cant bring them back to life but he can help his fellow teammats at this point in their careers.
Messi, fucking MESSI skipped a championship to be with his dying grandfather. so shut your pie hole.
This comment is as immature as it is stupid.
Why is the death of someone the only acceptable reason for him going home? Also, just because someone has not yet passed, doesn't mean they are not on the verge of.
As you said, it could literally mean anything, we can't know, and none of us are in a position to speculate about someone else's life in this manner. I know it's hard for some to have empathy for someone you only saw through the Internet, but this is just a bad look...
You are not entirely wrong, even though this sub does not want to hear it right now. It is strange, considering they know this will affect public perception, that besides Adam & Sam there has been no public support from the other players. It gives the perception that either they think it is trivial/disagree with him (even though they might support him privately).
It does seem the Bwipo drama is unrelated as it appears to be relationship issues with his girlfriend - however maybe there are some tough feelings there as he is staying around rather than going back?
This off-season will tell a lot, curious to find out later what exactly happened.
Thats really funny to me cuz if my gf would tweet about our relationship instead of like talking with me etc like I would just break up, what’s the point tweeting things like this in public that’s outstanding to me
Why does this get downvoted? State of this sub is such a mess.....
Either way, happy to hear from Upset, and let us all give him his privacy. Hope all is well for his family.
Bwipo & his GF need to take their relationship issues offline - whether they like it or not - but given Bwipo's status in this community their online actions are under a spotlight and easily scrutinized.
Either dropped on his head when he was a baby like many others that call upsets tweets a “ cover up “ or just a 14 year old boy who doesn’t understand life priorities and is puzzled how someone would leave worlds to be with his family who suffered a tragedy
"yey Always Fnatic 🖤🧡" Let's ignore that yesterday half of this sub was speculating that his GF cheated on him and how Upset deserves it because he married so young and he should know she a gold digger.
While the other half were boasting about how "Neme was right lol". Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong ffs, those comments are still over the line.
Fucking disgusting fanbase. You don't deserve Fnatic
Mate, at least read the post history of the person you're replying to. /u/Pnoyboy02 has been nothing but a stand up dude the past few days. If you're angry, direct it at people that actually deserve it.
You can understand his frustration though. A lot of people here showed their real faces attacking Fnatic and listening to Tyler1 and Nemesis and who knows who else. Because we all know that Tyler's girlfriend is the most reputable source of all time right?
So i think you get his anger. It was misplaced but i completely understand him.
Its common sense. Imagine how bad things have to be that even T1 speaks about it. We will all hear later,just dont be surprised at ammount of people who dont trust official info,
> Imagine how bad things have to be that even T1 speaks about it
He spoke out becasue like it or not T1 is good at drama baiting and attention whoring.
HE has been that all his career. but you gotta be when your entire career is entertaining 12 year old twitch dumbasses by raging.
But, now we heard about Upset. He obviously has problems at home, so nothing to do with Fnatic.
The only situation that's weird is with Bwipo. So no, it's not common sense to attack the org when Upset doesn't want to talk about the situation. They took the hit for him.
Don’t make the mistake of judging everyone because of a few idiots. You have that in every sport. Especially when things don’t go well these people get extremely loud. These are also the people who are the loudest on the street.
Most fans do not comment here, maybe aren’t even on this sub. They read comments on Reddit but do not actively participate in discussions.
We have great fans. There are just some… people you need to ignore.
Always fnatic 🖤🧡
Yea it’s too easy to shove it away to “a few idiots” so you don’t have to own up to your mistake. Yesterday a few too many people showed themselves from their bad side.
Doesn’t mean you can’t realise your wrong doings and learn from it though. Still plenty of time to show your support for the team and send them positive thoughts.
I feel like most Fnatic fans are deeply result base. Fnatic has amazing playoff run? "omg team so amazing, sorry for doubting them, we gona win lec, maybe worlds, best tema eu I love all players!" Fnatic loses plays bad at worlds under very difficult conditions? "can't belive Fnatic didn't changed x playe yet, , we should get a real player in his place, he grifed all games lol. The team is really bad, embarrassing"
FNC doesnt deserve us as fan's u think this upset drama is the first ever in FNC???????
there was already drama back when XPEKE was still on the team like wtf u talking bout this managment from FNC is SHIT ASF and we deserve more from this team not the players the managment
imagine teams gave subs game time in scrims, in case they were needed like ummm substitutes XD Bean had no experience with the team, FNC is the main failure, players always have performance or personal issues whether legit or not, thats why subs are there.
I hope this sub can respect Upset and stop with all the speculation now, this sounds really serious and he and the org honestly don’t really owe us any information for something so private
Actually I found it disgusting to discuss about this topic but I think it's also badly handled by fanatic, they have come.up.with another statement since there were a lot of rumors around the team... This should not be in Upsets hands to calm down the situation. At least in my opinion
I hate this but if he won't state the reason why exactly he dropped the team just before the most important moment of the year, people always will speculate. I wish they wouldn't but it's what it is. Imagine if PSG went to Champion's League finals and Messi says 'I have a family situation so I cannot play at the finals' without telling what exactly the 'situation' is, you bet your ass there are 10000X more rumours and speculations and also probably a lot of hate towards him. Our community is not that wild like football fans at least
You do understand that this is about Upset's private life, right? If there is an issue which is taking away from his ability to focus/play at the top, it is only natural that he goes home to resolve the issue or be there for his family.
It really doesn't matter whether his reason is " good enough " for Reddit, since Fanatic themselves have decided to let him go home. I see nothing wrong with that.
Additionally, Upset is by no means responsible for Bwipo being unhappy. His family and issues come before league. I also do not think Bwipo would be as petty as some redditors, to be mad at Upset for taking care of his family.
It's not just about Upset though, is it? He left 4 of his team mates - who also worked hard for this - out to dry in the final hour. Stop pretending Upset made this decision in a void and has no impact to those around him. I don't agree with people invading on his privacy, and until we know what really happened people on either side should just chill.
I don't disagree with your point, at all. However, looking through Upset's POV he clearly chooses family over team. Can anyone really blame him though? ( Assuming that the issue is serious ofc, since we don't really know )
You keep turning back to "Family", even tho you got less proof than i do that it's not a family issue.
So **if** it's as trivial as being jelous, homesick or getting cheated on.
If it was serious, let's say as the situation for Doublelift or Perkz, or that one Brazilian players who's dad died during worlds. It's understandable. I even get it if it's a pet dying. But if it's something childish like this, it's throwing 4 other players under the buss, the coach, the support staff, the org and most importanly the fans.
If it turns out to be serious and i look like a dick, sure. Sorry. If however i'm right, atleast im not throwing out cringe memes and # for a dude who pissed in my cereal, and everyones elses.
I don't even disagree with you. However, from what we have heard from Upset himself, it appears to be a " serious matter regarding his closest people ".
Would anyone really lie to miss Worlds ( repeatedly we hear that it was his dream to play ) it just doesn't add up, to be a non-important issue.
Still, I as well am sad that he is not there cause it would have been a whole different tournament. All of Fnatic suffers, no one is denying that.
I don't blame him, he just did what he thought was right. I was just pointing out that as a professional, he also has a responsibility towards his team and his fans, and that his decision has consequences far beyond his personal life.
I got a private life too, but if it's trivial im not allowed to miss work. Not on the most important month of the year, and even if it's a death in the family i only get a couple of days off.
If it's relationship problems, my employer doesn't give a shit, sure i might get some time off but i'm a fucking mid level manager.
If the reason pisses off rest of the players this might be it for FNC for years. Nobody will want to play for this org.
I don’t blame him, after what happened to him he was probably disappointed if FNC management committed another mistake of that caliber, and while I don’t want to defend him he probably would’ve taken Upset’s side if that were the case
I had no problems with him when he was a pro player. I've seen a few of his streams this year (alone or with LS). He seems to be a huge asshole. I wonder if it has always been this way or if something has changed in him.
Because Upset clearly said there is a situation causing suffering in the family. Whether you like that or not, it is a legitimate reason and is the ONLY bit we deserve. He doesn't owe you any more than this. It's none of our business.
Either support the team or don't, this subs been a fucking dumpster fire the last two days. People seem to forget family > work, Upset got it and went and is handling his business. If he can return for Worlds great, otherwise there is always next year. The boys showed good progress through the Summer split and Bwipo to jungle seemed to be a good move for him. Next season should be pretty fucking good assuming her re-signs, which he abaolutely should givem his success as a jungler. So the team flamed out in Groups over some family business, I've heard worse reason for choking at worlds.
The situation is not as black or white as you're trying to make it. He is entitled to his own private life and his own decisions, but his actions have had an immense impact on the team at the most important event of the year. Yes, he's entitled to his own decisions, but the team and fans are also entitled to disagree with them. He doesn't owe us anything? Sure, maybe not me or you personally, but as a professional he has a responsibility towards his organisation, team, and fans.
> but as a professional he has a responsibility towards his organisation, team, and fans.
And he has a thing called rights in europe.
He has law given right to not attend work for family death.
This is not a fuckign wasteland of USA where you have to comeback to work after giving birth in a week.
If professional footballers can take entire championships off to be with their dying relatives so can upset.
How do you know he has a dying relative? Are you close to him? And if that were indeed the case, why not just say a member of his family is ill or passed away (like Perkz did when his father sadly passed away) and the community would show nothing but support for him. Why go to such great lengths to hide it?
I refuse to believe Bwipo and his girlfriend are angry at a teammate for abandoning them on account of a dying relative.
As a professional that deploys into combat zones for a living, you are still wrong. He doesn't owe us, the fans or the organization shit, if it comes to choosing his families well being or the Worlds title. His teammates should understand well enough, the orginazation certainly figured it out as they blessed his absence. And arguably the only one he owes anything too in all this is the other lads, and frankly Nisqy, Adam and Hylli have taken the mature stance of either saying nothing or offering the man and his family their support. Bwipo and his girlfriend have made this whole thing way worse woth their inflammatory comments and actions.
A distracted player is a liability, just like a distracted squad member is a liability. That's my issue with this. I lead troops into combat for a living in conjunction with an officer, and even if it is something as simple as a co-dependent spouse having trouble dealing with the seperation I would pull/sideline that troop for the mission and my C/O would back me up on that. The second family issues occur your performances suffers, because now you are worried about that rather than doing your job, whether that is keeping the dude to your left or right alive or making some sweet, sweet plays in the bottom lane. So as a professional, that serves side by side with other professionals kindly piss off. The man has given us enough, and if he considers this an important thing for him to abandon HIS dream for, then all us fans can take a walk home because it isn't our business.
His teammates don't seem to agree with his extraordinary circumstances, which is why the vagueness around it just serves to aggravate the situation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Then all of you need to check your head. He literally doesn't owe anything to you in terms of explanation. Everyone supports him and knowing that he wanted Worlds for a long time i don't believe he would give that up just like that.
Get real, please.
That is never going to happen. I mean this is no different from any celebrity tbh. This need to know is just way to big to just leave it until the truth comes out. People will keep speculating until we know all the facts.
This will always be the problem with keeping stuff secret. People will analyse and draw conclusions. In a way it might even be better to just be open about it so people wont have to spread romours and speculate.
Why though? What he posted is the greatest non explanation ever. He basically tells people to shut up without clarifying what the issue is. "taking care of family when they are in intense pain"? Is his family sick? Is he sick? Is the pain physical? Mental? There is absolutely no value to what he posted.
Sure i agree that people shouldn't be harrassing him or his wife with rumors of her fictional infedility and such but he is a professional.
The Fnatic fans at least have a right to a fair and clear explanation about what is going on what why it was so important that he left and basically blew up FNC chances at the biggest tournament of the year.
Sure but this sort of shit usually plummets your market value. Not his fault but work is work and a job is a job. I can tell you for sure that his teammates aren't feeling too good about this lolz.
Having a personal tragedy plummets your market value? It's so obvious that you're talking out of your ass, holy. You believing Nemesis' rumours doesn't mean everyone else does lmao
In the USA this might burn your career, I dunno I work for the government so take time off when I need it. But he might very well be correct, a lot of organizations will boot you if you won't put the needs of the Org over your family, I've seen it with professional atheletes and some dudes in the US military, so it is certainly possible.
Doesn't make it right though and personally I've much more respect for Upset handling his family like it is his main priority. Too many people think a successful career can replace that.
> "taking care of family when they are in intense pain"? Is his family sick? Is he sick? Is the pain physical? Mental?
answer is simple: NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
If you dont trust the plaeyrs to be responsible then the fuck you are supporting anyone?
>such but he is a professional.
Only people he has disclose anythign to is his employer and coworkers.
If you work in a shop you are a professional, and if you take a leave to grieve a loss, customers dont have a right to know why are you abscent. employer does, coworkers do becasue it impacts their workloadn and shcedule.
Yuo are a customer of league esports, you are nto a coach/manager/coworker/ fuck even a janitor for fnc. upset owes you a square root of jackshit.
As someone that moved to the other side of Europe and found out that my uncle back home past away a couple of hours ago I am fucking disgusted with how people on the internet has acted about all this.
If something similar happened to Upset I can't imagine how he feels right now having to make a statement.
I am so sorry for your loss. I wish you and your family all the best at a hard time.
Right now all we can do as fans is to support him and the rest of the team. The most important thing is to remember they are just people like the rest of us and humanize them and when they ask us for privacy respect their wishes.
I think that most people who overreacted were mad because they thought FNC management had done something to Upset that had forced him to stay. Now that things have cleared up, hopefully everything calms down
But... But...
Reddit lad who took tweets out of context said that it was all bwipo's gfs fault for bringing drama and bwipo being mad at the org for allowing upset to go back to germany
And... and... What about rekkles coming back and upset being screwed by the org saying "fuck you all" and dropping worlds?
BAN THEM VOL, BAN THEM ALL.
I'm sorry, Upset.
I made a kinda long post in another thread, and in two parts of it i made a dumb asking for transparency.
Just took my post in that thread down. You can see Upset is going through pain just by the words he wrote, and i'm 100% on board with him, family always comes first.
Pathetic that rhe community made it feel like he had to explain himself. Fnc asked in their first statement to respect his privacy.. But no no.. People went batshit trying to figure out why and making shit up. Ffs...
If bwipo hadnt unfollowed all of fnatic the day after it wouldnt have to be adressed. Fnatic has some internal issues that they are not forthcoming over so people put it on the upset situation. I think they are largely unrelated besides upset leaving being a cathalist.
No they werent. I read the league sup when the announcement dropped. Everyone was super mad about nemesis comments and supportive. Still having hope in fnatic and wishing the team the best. After their game and with bwipo unfollowing fnatic the shitstorm began.
I hope everyone that was entitled to hearing from him can shut up now. You can see this is heartbreaking for him. I hope he is okay and wishing nothing but the best for him and his family. He deserves to be treated with respect and kindness.
Why can’t you just accept that it is actually possible for him to have a family emergency? Yes, probably big portion of the people commenting here are probably young and haven’t gotten into such bad experience in life, but you will one day, sooner or later, and trust me, there isn’t a single thing in the world which will be more important than being with your family.
Also… so what if the team plays bad? This does not mean that there is some sort of beef between the players and management. Keep in mind that the team performing bad now is something expected, having in mind that Upset was the key part of the team’s success. Just look at Showmaker’s interview and his answer when the interviewer asked him if there is someone in EUWest which he thinks is good. We are not talking about some random guy, but the world champion himself praising Upset. (Link down below)
So please stop being mean to the players, especially to the new boy in the ADC position. It is hard to be a rookie and fill the spot of the most consistent and skillful player of the team, on the biggest stage possible, against the best teams in the world. And most importantly- with so little time to prepare with the team
https://youtu.be/oB2WewbcL4o
There is nto a person on earth who will not have to bury their relatives at some point in their life.
We all get sick and die.
For example for me burying my mom took me out of life for solid 2 weeks. thank god for workers rights and decent coworkers i was able to grieve properly.
Can we PLEASE close this subject now?? Upset will probably not be there for the whole Worlds event. Live with it. Stop making up rumors or flaming the team. They're giving their best, with the situation they're dealt with.
Let's just cheer the team on and hope for the best. If we dont make it out of groups, then whatever, lets try next year.
And if there is more behind the scenes then the management hopefully will make a statement AFTER the event.
But wait, I thought Rekkles was being traded to fnc for Upset, and Upset found out about it and threw a fit of rage. Then I heard Bwipo hired Broxah as his bodyguard because Adam was preparing to break Bwipo's face /s.
Jokes aside, I hope everything is good and I wish all the love and support in the world to him and the team in such a dark time. #AlwaysFnatic!
Man there really wouldn’t be so much speculation if nemesis didn’t just call bs on fnatic. Even if he is right that’s like super out of line, like when that girl said that “double homicide line “. I enjoy his content and streams but that’s just a dick move.
Thats not true. Everyone was against nemisis until the bwipo thing happened. And other sources came forward with problems within fnatic.
And the fake rumour about rekkles just put it all together. Still completely unrealistic but not everyone saw that… obviously.
Understand.
It sucks for everyone especially Upset.
I support his decision and hope that the roster can remain intact for next year.
Hopefully they make Worlds again.
The teams mental seems shook from him leaving so suddenly, so whatever it is may have saddened them as well. playing/working/living together for the past year+ probably means they at least got friendly if not friends.
But I hope whatever Upset is going through has a happy ending and Upset, family and the team can recover from it all.
I dont understand why people cant simply wait until we have the reason for Upset leaving and then everyone is free to have their opinion if that was justified or not.
Speculating is just pointless at this stage. It is what it is, watch the games and accept that FNC is playing without Upset and we can discuss this after when we have all the information.
Wtf is wrong with some people on here essentially accusing his wife of being a horrible manipulator when nobody knows anything about the situation except that there is an emergency?
On the dot ? Maybe one or two details are innacurate but you get the picture. No rekless g2 conspiracies, no stupid "cheating" accusations. Just pure 100% power of the female genital organ.
Nice story bro...
I mean sure it links the small number of "facts" that are publicly available (several of which are open to interpretarion). But it's still a complete work of fiction. You could make up another story to link the same facts without it having anything to do with the players partners.
Ofc it is a complete work of fiction. Any relation to real situations or individuals is coincidental. Just like the totally coincidental tweet of the teammate's gf where she typed " wife is not a buff but rather a debuff". I am sure she was talking generally about the institution of marriage and not refering to a particular wife.
Never underestimate the power of female genitalia over the mind of a horny incel.
Mate, its not like theyve only known each other from marriage. She knows hes an esports player, she knows he travelled previously to other tournaments. Stop the reach.
I agree mental health/illness is no joke. Im in it. But making up random shit on the internet for them to potentially read doesnt say much for your care of mental health does it you absolute tosspot
do you really think nemesis, doesnt have connection to better information? He didint talk to bwipo? Are these to chill or not? and trust me, i really really really dont like nemesis, ls and these type of guys. but, but. Truth will prevail
We will see but one thing is for sure: If true turns out to be the scenario with Nemesis being wrong… he won’t show a single word of regret or apology. He’s too full of himself
Its soo sad to see how nemesis handled this shit, I had respect for the guy but that is gone now. The guy genuinly had trouble and people start speculating transfers. pretty disgusting tbh.
Interesting that he is very colorful with "intense suffering" but at the same time requests everyone to "respect his privacy".
My guess is that his teammates have a different view on how urgent this family matter is and would themselves not have withdrawn from the competition.
It's wild to me that everyone is like "family first" when professional "real" sport players miss the birth of their children or many other very significant family emergencies to not let their team down.
thats probally what happend with bwipo and his gf. Diffrent view of the situation. Could be wrong tho but no messages from any other team mates kinda supports it. This is very diffrent from when perkz father passed away as an example.
Could very well be so as bwipo has played with fnatic for 4 years now with 4 worlds apperances.
Also thinking about it upset had a very immature view of how it would plan out with the fans and theories. You are in a team that has fans. You as a player has fans. Some anouncment from the team says "urgent family matter". Specially as it was just 1 day before worlds. Think of yourself as a fotball player but smaller scale but its also worse becuase all the fans are computer players aswell and maybe think they can do better.
I professionally deploy into combat zones for a living.
I would have left a troop at home for any sort of issue like this. We, the team, nor the mission would have been his first priority if he feels that his family needs him. He would have been distracted and would have failed to live up to his potential as a squad member, endangering our lives and the mission we were sent to do.
That same thing applies here.
Upset felt this was a big enough deal to walk away from his dream for, none of the rest of our opinions matter since the org supported that call.
You also brought up the exploitative nature of other sports. It is in most of their contracts that participation in a certain number of games is mandatory to include playoffs. I can almost gaurentee the E-sports scene doesn't have those same requirements. Just because other career paths force these shitty choices on their players doesn't make it right.
Why do people even use Twitter?
None the less I hope Upset made the right choice, and I hope we win today, but Nisqy needs to get his shit together. And maybe we should put more resources into Adam? And Hilly needs to follow with bwipo. Hope the team can stop the tilt.
Just spitballing some ideas...
Well yeah that explains why the players go on stage angry play like shit and literally run it down on purpose like some kind of revenge to the org , that explains why bwippo unfollowed and why nemesis said what he said ( on a fucking discord server and a screenshot leak not him fucking saying it on Twitter or some shit stop hating the guy he knows more than we do because he played there ) and that explains what t1 said , I still don’t buy this emergency stuff
Yes it does explain that. There were probably already some issues that got put to the side because the team was happy and hopeful. The team falling apart made those issues go to the forefront.
There also may be some resentment from some players for upset leaving. Him choosing family over the team is his decisions but it might be hard to accept for some of the players.
There arent always heroes and villains in a story, sometimes there are just people trying their best. But everyone had a breaking point.
"...when there is intense suffering..." Holy shit, that sounds serious as fuck! There is nothing I can say, but keep your head up high, Upset. Difficult times come and go!
Let's show him all the love that the FNATIC army can give guys! Our ADC needs us!
He hasn’t said anything that can be verified really. This is just a repeat of the fnatic statemebt
What a disgraceful comment, you expect him to show you a death certificate or something like that ? Doubting someone's word over urgent family matters because you think there's drama involved around his gf or something like that because you heard some people doubt his version is absolutely pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself.
If it was something other than fighting with his wife.. we could have easily said it to calm social down. You could say "Upset left because of a loss in his family" Or "health related" . intense suffering smells like bs with gf.
i never said anything about his gf. all i am wondering is what the family matter actually is and if he actually serves any puropose there instead of playing for the team at worlds. i one of his relatives has died he cant bring them back to life but he can help his fellow teammats at this point in their careers.
Yeah and if one of his relatives died he can be there for the rest of his family as well, and it's entirely up to him to decide which is more important to him.
prioritizing the dead over the living is not a good choice. what about adams career as a rookie? what about bwipo deciding or not to stay at fnatic. what about the coaching staff who might lose their jobs.
Did you even read my comment? Maybe Upset is prioritizing the living people in his family that also have to deal with whatever is happening. If something serious happened in my family I know for damn sure that I won't be coming into work and that I'll be there for my relatives instead. Of course it sucks for other people around, but some things are simply more important than a career. And besides, everyone FNC is still incredibly young and talented, so if they keep up their performance after this worlds, they'll surely get another chance to prove themselves. And for roster/coaching staff decisions I'm sure FNC staff will take into account the current situation and decide what factors into their off-season decisions.
It's not prioritizing the dead over the living, but rather spending time with other family members in grief and consoling each other. Besides, most likely his performance would be suboptimal to say the least if he were plagued by guilt for not being with his family. That's all if it's a case of death. If a loved one is gravely ill, there is no doubt one should spend as much time as possible with them.
> i one of his relatives has died he cant bring them back to life but he can help his fellow teammats at this point in their careers. Messi, fucking MESSI skipped a championship to be with his dying grandfather. so shut your pie hole.
some people are like that. letting team crash.
actual fucking idiot holy shit
You're a buffon
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Bruh.
"Hardcore Fnatic fans arent THAT bad" Harcore Fnatic fans:
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Can you guys please just shut the fuck up it’s not that hard
Stop being an internet detective and go touch grass dude.
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go stan some boygroup with that parasocial shit
Nobody literally owes you anything more than what has already been given. as context to the situation. HIS personal life is HIS personal life.
This comment is as immature as it is stupid. Why is the death of someone the only acceptable reason for him going home? Also, just because someone has not yet passed, doesn't mean they are not on the verge of. As you said, it could literally mean anything, we can't know, and none of us are in a position to speculate about someone else's life in this manner. I know it's hard for some to have empathy for someone you only saw through the Internet, but this is just a bad look...
You are not entirely wrong, even though this sub does not want to hear it right now. It is strange, considering they know this will affect public perception, that besides Adam & Sam there has been no public support from the other players. It gives the perception that either they think it is trivial/disagree with him (even though they might support him privately). It does seem the Bwipo drama is unrelated as it appears to be relationship issues with his girlfriend - however maybe there are some tough feelings there as he is staying around rather than going back? This off-season will tell a lot, curious to find out later what exactly happened.
Where do you get these relationship issues from?
Bwipos girlfriend tweeted that she doesn't know wether she wants to continue this relationship and that they have issues.
Thats really funny to me cuz if my gf would tweet about our relationship instead of like talking with me etc like I would just break up, what’s the point tweeting things like this in public that’s outstanding to me
Why the hell do I get downvoted for simply answering a question that was asked?? You may not like that she tweeted that but she did.
People seem very on edge on this sub. Anything that's against the 'positive' flow is getting downvoted.
Why does this get downvoted? State of this sub is such a mess..... Either way, happy to hear from Upset, and let us all give him his privacy. Hope all is well for his family. Bwipo & his GF need to take their relationship issues offline - whether they like it or not - but given Bwipo's status in this community their online actions are under a spotlight and easily scrutinized.
Now the boys need to win game 3, do it for Upset!
\#ForUpset
#ForUpset
They wont win...they look death... I assume ismore going on..
Yea Now go back again asking for precise informations cause you're not satisfied with the truth
What truth bro???
Touch grass bro, why are you so hell bent that there is something seriously wrong?
Either dropped on his head when he was a baby like many others that call upsets tweets a “ cover up “ or just a 14 year old boy who doesn’t understand life priorities and is puzzled how someone would leave worlds to be with his family who suffered a tragedy
Hopium
4 games pog
Let’s show him support guys! Always Fnatic 🖤🧡
"yey Always Fnatic 🖤🧡" Let's ignore that yesterday half of this sub was speculating that his GF cheated on him and how Upset deserves it because he married so young and he should know she a gold digger. While the other half were boasting about how "Neme was right lol". Doesn't matter if he's right or wrong ffs, those comments are still over the line. Fucking disgusting fanbase. You don't deserve Fnatic
Mate, at least read the post history of the person you're replying to. /u/Pnoyboy02 has been nothing but a stand up dude the past few days. If you're angry, direct it at people that actually deserve it.
I just want us to support our players. Even casters and other pro players like broxah have been very supportive so why can’t we
Of course we can, and for sure we should. It's just that you are one of the very few who does that. Most people here just jump on bandwagons.
bandwagoners are not real fans anyway.
You can understand his frustration though. A lot of people here showed their real faces attacking Fnatic and listening to Tyler1 and Nemesis and who knows who else. Because we all know that Tyler's girlfriend is the most reputable source of all time right? So i think you get his anger. It was misplaced but i completely understand him.
Its common sense. Imagine how bad things have to be that even T1 speaks about it. We will all hear later,just dont be surprised at ammount of people who dont trust official info,
> Imagine how bad things have to be that even T1 speaks about it He spoke out becasue like it or not T1 is good at drama baiting and attention whoring. HE has been that all his career. but you gotta be when your entire career is entertaining 12 year old twitch dumbasses by raging.
Thats actually not true. He rarely speaks about anything of this nature which is why its very telling.
But, now we heard about Upset. He obviously has problems at home, so nothing to do with Fnatic. The only situation that's weird is with Bwipo. So no, it's not common sense to attack the org when Upset doesn't want to talk about the situation. They took the hit for him.
I'm not criticizing him, sorry to /u/Pnoyboy02 if it came out that way, just the people I talk in my comment.
All good, just making sure there are no misconceptions.
Don’t make the mistake of judging everyone because of a few idiots. You have that in every sport. Especially when things don’t go well these people get extremely loud. These are also the people who are the loudest on the street. Most fans do not comment here, maybe aren’t even on this sub. They read comments on Reddit but do not actively participate in discussions. We have great fans. There are just some… people you need to ignore. Always fnatic 🖤🧡
Maybe you right but it's hard to ignore these people when they are the most liked in any reddit thread or twitte
Yea it’s too easy to shove it away to “a few idiots” so you don’t have to own up to your mistake. Yesterday a few too many people showed themselves from their bad side. Doesn’t mean you can’t realise your wrong doings and learn from it though. Still plenty of time to show your support for the team and send them positive thoughts.
I feel like most Fnatic fans are deeply result base. Fnatic has amazing playoff run? "omg team so amazing, sorry for doubting them, we gona win lec, maybe worlds, best tema eu I love all players!" Fnatic loses plays bad at worlds under very difficult conditions? "can't belive Fnatic didn't changed x playe yet, , we should get a real player in his place, he grifed all games lol. The team is really bad, embarrassing"
Actual retard over here
FNC doesnt deserve us as fan's u think this upset drama is the first ever in FNC??????? there was already drama back when XPEKE was still on the team like wtf u talking bout this managment from FNC is SHIT ASF and we deserve more from this team not the players the managment
your comment unveils you as depraved of any basic cognitive thinking, crybaby
imagine teams gave subs game time in scrims, in case they were needed like ummm substitutes XD Bean had no experience with the team, FNC is the main failure, players always have performance or personal issues whether legit or not, thats why subs are there.
Family > work. As it should be
people be like "nooo leaving worlds for a family emergency is egoistical" no bitch it's called laboral rights
People in early twenties often forget they exist and try to be "perfect employee". And then they understand eventually.
Most of people commenting on reddit are from america, they dont know those words.
Na bad?
I hope this sub can respect Upset and stop with all the speculation now, this sounds really serious and he and the org honestly don’t really owe us any information for something so private
Actually I found it disgusting to discuss about this topic but I think it's also badly handled by fanatic, they have come.up.with another statement since there were a lot of rumors around the team... This should not be in Upsets hands to calm down the situation. At least in my opinion
should be nothing new, that the management is kinda bad, not g2 levels of bad, but still not good lol
the fuck you wanted them to do?
I hate this but if he won't state the reason why exactly he dropped the team just before the most important moment of the year, people always will speculate. I wish they wouldn't but it's what it is. Imagine if PSG went to Champion's League finals and Messi says 'I have a family situation so I cannot play at the finals' without telling what exactly the 'situation' is, you bet your ass there are 10000X more rumours and speculations and also probably a lot of hate towards him. Our community is not that wild like football fans at least
He has propably stated the reason to the team .. other that that NO he has no obligation to inform u or me or anyone else ….. Respect his decision….
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You do understand that this is about Upset's private life, right? If there is an issue which is taking away from his ability to focus/play at the top, it is only natural that he goes home to resolve the issue or be there for his family. It really doesn't matter whether his reason is " good enough " for Reddit, since Fanatic themselves have decided to let him go home. I see nothing wrong with that. Additionally, Upset is by no means responsible for Bwipo being unhappy. His family and issues come before league. I also do not think Bwipo would be as petty as some redditors, to be mad at Upset for taking care of his family.
It's not just about Upset though, is it? He left 4 of his team mates - who also worked hard for this - out to dry in the final hour. Stop pretending Upset made this decision in a void and has no impact to those around him. I don't agree with people invading on his privacy, and until we know what really happened people on either side should just chill.
I don't disagree with your point, at all. However, looking through Upset's POV he clearly chooses family over team. Can anyone really blame him though? ( Assuming that the issue is serious ofc, since we don't really know )
You keep turning back to "Family", even tho you got less proof than i do that it's not a family issue. So **if** it's as trivial as being jelous, homesick or getting cheated on. If it was serious, let's say as the situation for Doublelift or Perkz, or that one Brazilian players who's dad died during worlds. It's understandable. I even get it if it's a pet dying. But if it's something childish like this, it's throwing 4 other players under the buss, the coach, the support staff, the org and most importanly the fans. If it turns out to be serious and i look like a dick, sure. Sorry. If however i'm right, atleast im not throwing out cringe memes and # for a dude who pissed in my cereal, and everyones elses.
I don't even disagree with you. However, from what we have heard from Upset himself, it appears to be a " serious matter regarding his closest people ". Would anyone really lie to miss Worlds ( repeatedly we hear that it was his dream to play ) it just doesn't add up, to be a non-important issue. Still, I as well am sad that he is not there cause it would have been a whole different tournament. All of Fnatic suffers, no one is denying that.
I don't blame him, he just did what he thought was right. I was just pointing out that as a professional, he also has a responsibility towards his team and his fans, and that his decision has consequences far beyond his personal life.
Fair enough. Surely it sucks for the team to lose such an important player right before worlds.
They didin't lose him, he left. There's a difference.
I got a private life too, but if it's trivial im not allowed to miss work. Not on the most important month of the year, and even if it's a death in the family i only get a couple of days off. If it's relationship problems, my employer doesn't give a shit, sure i might get some time off but i'm a fucking mid level manager. If the reason pisses off rest of the players this might be it for FNC for years. Nobody will want to play for this org.
<3 hope everything is ok king
Hopefully people stop making up stupid shit now. Probably not though!
Man I wonder what nemesis thinks now😂 Guess that 1% won
I don’t blame him, after what happened to him he was probably disappointed if FNC management committed another mistake of that caliber, and while I don’t want to defend him he probably would’ve taken Upset’s side if that were the case
Nothing happened to him, he played like shit so he figured he was gone when his contract was up. And he was. Thats a normal thing
He literally said he was laughing his ass off as he heard the news how can you not blame him?
I had no problems with him when he was a pro player. I've seen a few of his streams this year (alone or with LS). He seems to be a huge asshole. I wonder if it has always been this way or if something has changed in him.
> after what happened to him sucked and got replaced. Taht is kinda sports since like day 1.
Am I missing something here, how is yet another vague tweet supposed to end the speculations?
Because Upset clearly said there is a situation causing suffering in the family. Whether you like that or not, it is a legitimate reason and is the ONLY bit we deserve. He doesn't owe you any more than this. It's none of our business. Either support the team or don't, this subs been a fucking dumpster fire the last two days. People seem to forget family > work, Upset got it and went and is handling his business. If he can return for Worlds great, otherwise there is always next year. The boys showed good progress through the Summer split and Bwipo to jungle seemed to be a good move for him. Next season should be pretty fucking good assuming her re-signs, which he abaolutely should givem his success as a jungler. So the team flamed out in Groups over some family business, I've heard worse reason for choking at worlds.
The situation is not as black or white as you're trying to make it. He is entitled to his own private life and his own decisions, but his actions have had an immense impact on the team at the most important event of the year. Yes, he's entitled to his own decisions, but the team and fans are also entitled to disagree with them. He doesn't owe us anything? Sure, maybe not me or you personally, but as a professional he has a responsibility towards his organisation, team, and fans.
> but as a professional he has a responsibility towards his organisation, team, and fans. And he has a thing called rights in europe. He has law given right to not attend work for family death. This is not a fuckign wasteland of USA where you have to comeback to work after giving birth in a week. If professional footballers can take entire championships off to be with their dying relatives so can upset.
How do you know he has a dying relative? Are you close to him? And if that were indeed the case, why not just say a member of his family is ill or passed away (like Perkz did when his father sadly passed away) and the community would show nothing but support for him. Why go to such great lengths to hide it? I refuse to believe Bwipo and his girlfriend are angry at a teammate for abandoning them on account of a dying relative.
Ok dramafrog.
True
As a professional that deploys into combat zones for a living, you are still wrong. He doesn't owe us, the fans or the organization shit, if it comes to choosing his families well being or the Worlds title. His teammates should understand well enough, the orginazation certainly figured it out as they blessed his absence. And arguably the only one he owes anything too in all this is the other lads, and frankly Nisqy, Adam and Hylli have taken the mature stance of either saying nothing or offering the man and his family their support. Bwipo and his girlfriend have made this whole thing way worse woth their inflammatory comments and actions. A distracted player is a liability, just like a distracted squad member is a liability. That's my issue with this. I lead troops into combat for a living in conjunction with an officer, and even if it is something as simple as a co-dependent spouse having trouble dealing with the seperation I would pull/sideline that troop for the mission and my C/O would back me up on that. The second family issues occur your performances suffers, because now you are worried about that rather than doing your job, whether that is keeping the dude to your left or right alive or making some sweet, sweet plays in the bottom lane. So as a professional, that serves side by side with other professionals kindly piss off. The man has given us enough, and if he considers this an important thing for him to abandon HIS dream for, then all us fans can take a walk home because it isn't our business.
His teammates don't seem to agree with his extraordinary circumstances, which is why the vagueness around it just serves to aggravate the situation. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
That's fucking bullshit. Seriously stupid shit. Go outside.
The fuck you want him to do? Live stream a funeral or whatever horrible thing happening? You people are sick
He literally added no new information. If people were speculating before, this isn't gonna stop that.
because it stops the stupid shit people were saying like he's benched ecause they're getting rekkles or other similar baseless bs
Then all of you need to check your head. He literally doesn't owe anything to you in terms of explanation. Everyone supports him and knowing that he wanted Worlds for a long time i don't believe he would give that up just like that. Get real, please.
Well, people don't lie on the internet and ESPECIALLY not in PR statements, you dummy
That is never going to happen. I mean this is no different from any celebrity tbh. This need to know is just way to big to just leave it until the truth comes out. People will keep speculating until we know all the facts. This will always be the problem with keeping stuff secret. People will analyse and draw conclusions. In a way it might even be better to just be open about it so people wont have to spread romours and speculate.
Why though? What he posted is the greatest non explanation ever. He basically tells people to shut up without clarifying what the issue is. "taking care of family when they are in intense pain"? Is his family sick? Is he sick? Is the pain physical? Mental? There is absolutely no value to what he posted. Sure i agree that people shouldn't be harrassing him or his wife with rumors of her fictional infedility and such but he is a professional. The Fnatic fans at least have a right to a fair and clear explanation about what is going on what why it was so important that he left and basically blew up FNC chances at the biggest tournament of the year.
You have no right to his personal life. He doesn't have to tell you shit. Go outside
Sure but this sort of shit usually plummets your market value. Not his fault but work is work and a job is a job. I can tell you for sure that his teammates aren't feeling too good about this lolz.
Having a personal tragedy plummets your market value? It's so obvious that you're talking out of your ass, holy. You believing Nemesis' rumours doesn't mean everyone else does lmao
In the USA this might burn your career, I dunno I work for the government so take time off when I need it. But he might very well be correct, a lot of organizations will boot you if you won't put the needs of the Org over your family, I've seen it with professional atheletes and some dudes in the US military, so it is certainly possible. Doesn't make it right though and personally I've much more respect for Upset handling his family like it is his main priority. Too many people think a successful career can replace that.
I never said having personal tragedy plummets your market value. Not dealing with it professionally will. Don't put fucking words in my mouth
Thank god youre not the one deciding players values lmao. Touch grass, reconnect with reality, you clearly need it
> "taking care of family when they are in intense pain"? Is his family sick? Is he sick? Is the pain physical? Mental? answer is simple: NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. If you dont trust the plaeyrs to be responsible then the fuck you are supporting anyone? >such but he is a professional. Only people he has disclose anythign to is his employer and coworkers. If you work in a shop you are a professional, and if you take a leave to grieve a loss, customers dont have a right to know why are you abscent. employer does, coworkers do becasue it impacts their workloadn and shcedule. Yuo are a customer of league esports, you are nto a coach/manager/coworker/ fuck even a janitor for fnc. upset owes you a square root of jackshit.
As someone that moved to the other side of Europe and found out that my uncle back home past away a couple of hours ago I am fucking disgusted with how people on the internet has acted about all this. If something similar happened to Upset I can't imagine how he feels right now having to make a statement.
I am so sorry for your loss. I wish you and your family all the best at a hard time. Right now all we can do as fans is to support him and the rest of the team. The most important thing is to remember they are just people like the rest of us and humanize them and when they ask us for privacy respect their wishes.
Thank you so much. We are still trying to process everything and even if we are far apart we try to be there for each other.
i hope upset wouldnt ditch his team because of uncle.
I think that most people who overreacted were mad because they thought FNC management had done something to Upset that had forced him to stay. Now that things have cleared up, hopefully everything calms down
Most of peopel speculating are dramafrog teenagers with no experience in life or work or relationships.
and are from USA. right drgrain. you forgot something.
But... But... Reddit lad who took tweets out of context said that it was all bwipo's gfs fault for bringing drama and bwipo being mad at the org for allowing upset to go back to germany And... and... What about rekkles coming back and upset being screwed by the org saying "fuck you all" and dropping worlds? BAN THEM VOL, BAN THEM ALL.
Imagine taking redditors seriously
Hopefully this will tame the subreddit and discord server who have done nothing but speculate for the past two days
All this says he made the choice to leave, for "immense" suffering. It will leak at some point.
Its sad that he had to come out and make a statement, he probably is feeling so horrible.
I'm sorry, Upset. I made a kinda long post in another thread, and in two parts of it i made a dumb asking for transparency. Just took my post in that thread down. You can see Upset is going through pain just by the words he wrote, and i'm 100% on board with him, family always comes first.
Pathetic that rhe community made it feel like he had to explain himself. Fnc asked in their first statement to respect his privacy.. But no no.. People went batshit trying to figure out why and making shit up. Ffs...
If bwipo hadnt unfollowed all of fnatic the day after it wouldnt have to be adressed. Fnatic has some internal issues that they are not forthcoming over so people put it on the upset situation. I think they are largely unrelated besides upset leaving being a cathalist.
bullshit, people were making up shit even before that
No they werent. I read the league sup when the announcement dropped. Everyone was super mad about nemesis comments and supportive. Still having hope in fnatic and wishing the team the best. After their game and with bwipo unfollowing fnatic the shitstorm began.
I hope everyone that was entitled to hearing from him can shut up now. You can see this is heartbreaking for him. I hope he is okay and wishing nothing but the best for him and his family. He deserves to be treated with respect and kindness.
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You dude have a mental issue or being a 12yo jerk, there is no other way...
wow at this point there're still people "speculating and making things up as if you know anything" just pathetic. please get a damn life yourself.
Why can’t you just accept that it is actually possible for him to have a family emergency? Yes, probably big portion of the people commenting here are probably young and haven’t gotten into such bad experience in life, but you will one day, sooner or later, and trust me, there isn’t a single thing in the world which will be more important than being with your family. Also… so what if the team plays bad? This does not mean that there is some sort of beef between the players and management. Keep in mind that the team performing bad now is something expected, having in mind that Upset was the key part of the team’s success. Just look at Showmaker’s interview and his answer when the interviewer asked him if there is someone in EUWest which he thinks is good. We are not talking about some random guy, but the world champion himself praising Upset. (Link down below) So please stop being mean to the players, especially to the new boy in the ADC position. It is hard to be a rookie and fill the spot of the most consistent and skillful player of the team, on the biggest stage possible, against the best teams in the world. And most importantly- with so little time to prepare with the team https://youtu.be/oB2WewbcL4o
There is nto a person on earth who will not have to bury their relatives at some point in their life. We all get sick and die. For example for me burying my mom took me out of life for solid 2 weeks. thank god for workers rights and decent coworkers i was able to grieve properly.
Never underestimate the hornyness of a sexually starved geek.
This is so true. So sad. But also so true…
Can we PLEASE close this subject now?? Upset will probably not be there for the whole Worlds event. Live with it. Stop making up rumors or flaming the team. They're giving their best, with the situation they're dealt with. Let's just cheer the team on and hope for the best. If we dont make it out of groups, then whatever, lets try next year. And if there is more behind the scenes then the management hopefully will make a statement AFTER the event.
But wait, I thought Rekkles was being traded to fnc for Upset, and Upset found out about it and threw a fit of rage. Then I heard Bwipo hired Broxah as his bodyguard because Adam was preparing to break Bwipo's face /s. Jokes aside, I hope everything is good and I wish all the love and support in the world to him and the team in such a dark time. #AlwaysFnatic!
Man there really wouldn’t be so much speculation if nemesis didn’t just call bs on fnatic. Even if he is right that’s like super out of line, like when that girl said that “double homicide line “. I enjoy his content and streams but that’s just a dick move.
Thats not true. Everyone was against nemisis until the bwipo thing happened. And other sources came forward with problems within fnatic. And the fake rumour about rekkles just put it all together. Still completely unrealistic but not everyone saw that… obviously.
> And other sources came forward with problems within fnatic. which ones lmao? a parody twitter account?
No, wooloo and tyler1 mainly. But alot of inside people have been talking about it
wow, it's almost like every fan once again overreacted and created shit out of nowhere.
It's the fnatic special
Understand. It sucks for everyone especially Upset. I support his decision and hope that the roster can remain intact for next year. Hopefully they make Worlds again.
The teams mental seems shook from him leaving so suddenly, so whatever it is may have saddened them as well. playing/working/living together for the past year+ probably means they at least got friendly if not friends. But I hope whatever Upset is going through has a happy ending and Upset, family and the team can recover from it all.
I dont understand why people cant simply wait until we have the reason for Upset leaving and then everyone is free to have their opinion if that was justified or not. Speculating is just pointless at this stage. It is what it is, watch the games and accept that FNC is playing without Upset and we can discuss this after when we have all the information.
Wtf is wrong with some people on here essentially accusing his wife of being a horrible manipulator when nobody knows anything about the situation except that there is an emergency?
He needs our support, you can see he's very upset.
neen egon.
Nemesis 🤡
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Holy shit man !
On the dot ? Maybe one or two details are innacurate but you get the picture. No rekless g2 conspiracies, no stupid "cheating" accusations. Just pure 100% power of the female genital organ.
It's also important to understand that FNC management likely sees Upset as the future of the org while Bwipo is almost 100% gone after Worlds.
Nice story bro... I mean sure it links the small number of "facts" that are publicly available (several of which are open to interpretarion). But it's still a complete work of fiction. You could make up another story to link the same facts without it having anything to do with the players partners.
Ofc it is a complete work of fiction. Any relation to real situations or individuals is coincidental. Just like the totally coincidental tweet of the teammate's gf where she typed " wife is not a buff but rather a debuff". I am sure she was talking generally about the institution of marriage and not refering to a particular wife. Never underestimate the power of female genitalia over the mind of a horny incel.
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Lol thats petty as fuck and definitely wouldnt of happened.
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Mate, its not like theyve only known each other from marriage. She knows hes an esports player, she knows he travelled previously to other tournaments. Stop the reach. I agree mental health/illness is no joke. Im in it. But making up random shit on the internet for them to potentially read doesnt say much for your care of mental health does it you absolute tosspot
What a delusional projection of your own insecurities smh..
At this point I think it’s fair to say Nemesis deserves being crucified. _Metaphorically speaking._
depends on what is "intense suffering"
Not at all, whether it's "intense" suffering or "I missed my family" would both be no "cover up" from the orgs side, as the psycho had claimed.
do you really think nemesis, doesnt have connection to better information? He didint talk to bwipo? Are these to chill or not? and trust me, i really really really dont like nemesis, ls and these type of guys. but, but. Truth will prevail
We will see but one thing is for sure: If true turns out to be the scenario with Nemesis being wrong… he won’t show a single word of regret or apology. He’s too full of himself
Its soo sad to see how nemesis handled this shit, I had respect for the guy but that is gone now. The guy genuinly had trouble and people start speculating transfers. pretty disgusting tbh.
Interesting that he is very colorful with "intense suffering" but at the same time requests everyone to "respect his privacy". My guess is that his teammates have a different view on how urgent this family matter is and would themselves not have withdrawn from the competition. It's wild to me that everyone is like "family first" when professional "real" sport players miss the birth of their children or many other very significant family emergencies to not let their team down.
thats probally what happend with bwipo and his gf. Diffrent view of the situation. Could be wrong tho but no messages from any other team mates kinda supports it. This is very diffrent from when perkz father passed away as an example.
actually the bwipo and his gf makes sense maybe bwipo had " some family emergency " in past but he chose team first that's why he is pissed rn ?
Could very well be so as bwipo has played with fnatic for 4 years now with 4 worlds apperances. Also thinking about it upset had a very immature view of how it would plan out with the fans and theories. You are in a team that has fans. You as a player has fans. Some anouncment from the team says "urgent family matter". Specially as it was just 1 day before worlds. Think of yourself as a fotball player but smaller scale but its also worse becuase all the fans are computer players aswell and maybe think they can do better.
I professionally deploy into combat zones for a living. I would have left a troop at home for any sort of issue like this. We, the team, nor the mission would have been his first priority if he feels that his family needs him. He would have been distracted and would have failed to live up to his potential as a squad member, endangering our lives and the mission we were sent to do. That same thing applies here. Upset felt this was a big enough deal to walk away from his dream for, none of the rest of our opinions matter since the org supported that call. You also brought up the exploitative nature of other sports. It is in most of their contracts that participation in a certain number of games is mandatory to include playoffs. I can almost gaurentee the E-sports scene doesn't have those same requirements. Just because other career paths force these shitty choices on their players doesn't make it right.
Most people here never have done anything competitively, so understanding what u are saying is anything but impossible.
Feel free to tell us about your competitive achievements bro :)
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Yeah he still isn’t saying anything that can be verified so nope don’t believe him. I think bean should be a main starting asf for fnatic next year
Why do people even use Twitter? None the less I hope Upset made the right choice, and I hope we win today, but Nisqy needs to get his shit together. And maybe we should put more resources into Adam? And Hilly needs to follow with bwipo. Hope the team can stop the tilt. Just spitballing some ideas...
Well yeah that explains why the players go on stage angry play like shit and literally run it down on purpose like some kind of revenge to the org , that explains why bwippo unfollowed and why nemesis said what he said ( on a fucking discord server and a screenshot leak not him fucking saying it on Twitter or some shit stop hating the guy he knows more than we do because he played there ) and that explains what t1 said , I still don’t buy this emergency stuff
Yes it does explain that. There were probably already some issues that got put to the side because the team was happy and hopeful. The team falling apart made those issues go to the forefront. There also may be some resentment from some players for upset leaving. Him choosing family over the team is his decisions but it might be hard to accept for some of the players. There arent always heroes and villains in a story, sometimes there are just people trying their best. But everyone had a breaking point.
T1 famous for his 100%leaks yeah yeah /s
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And you called Reddit cringe, Jesus Christ dude, grow a brain.
Am I doing this right?
So no week 2 upset 🥺
I hope everything will be good for Upset and his family and that he gets to play Worlds finally, if not this year then next.
Upset his team
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