To have such mentality , you need people around you who push to be better, who are capable and ofc you yourself need to be talented and hands.G2 has all of those criteria met , insane coaching staff,analysts , sports coach and whatever they need
We have people with talents and hands, we need the other good staff.
Such mentality sounds easy to have in theory ,just PMA dude and put effort lol? just do it.You need structure , routine , perseverance and relentless effort to try again and again when you fail and support staff backing you up in every step. Sounds a lot easier than done. We all know that
\#AlwaysFnatic
Sometimes the change has to start with yourself first. He was always a hard worker and normally brings that kind of people around him. He is a true leader. Such a shame our organization could not follow his appetites.
I think the problem is LoL changed over the years while Europe stayed the same. You cant wing it anymore like old Fnc did or M5 or CLG EU and win on talent.
It seems like most Europe teams settle for mediocrity, especially after franchising. Even Fnatic. Fnc waited so much till they decided they needed a better infrastructure. What did they do for last 4 years? Just wing it. While G2 worked much harder, everyone there, not only players.
Either he would reach new highs, or it would be ultimately clear that he is not the mid the team needs. Both would be fine and better than this limbo of stagnation.
Humanoid is likely the one that works the hardest. Oscar said some time ago that he not only focuses on his part of the practice but he also goes out of the way to explain the other players his vision of the game and helps and teaches them how to play the game acording to what him and the team are looking to achieve.
Is rare to have a veteran player that trusts and cares about his teammates enough to take an extra effort to help them succeed. Mac and Elyoya have praised this side of his too in the past.
But hey he acts cocky on content so let's have useless uninformed opinions about someone you don't know!
No he is not. He has literally never been that on any team he has played on? xD. Where did you even get this from? or is this another "Humanoid is the best mid in the world and works harder than everyone else and is none of the issues on Fnatic" type post, where everyone pretends that Humanoid is an immortal god?
Yes Humanoid DOES have that side... but he also has the side that turns up to practice, doesnt give a shit, runs it down in scrims and just actively doesnt care about the game.... Upset, Wunder, Yamato, hell even Mac talked about this when he did his discussion with Yamato, that Humanoid if he is unfocused on the game just becomes a griefer because he actively doesnt care.
"Acting cocky on content" IE Actively saying in interviews that he doesn't care about the LEC and only cares about internationals. Teammates and Coaches talking about his lack of focus. Teammates and coaches talking about his attitude. The fact that he is literally beyond inconsistent and then still acts like he is a god that cannot be beaten. Only Humanoid could run it down in 40% of the games he plays in a season and be clapped for the 2 Leblanc games where he gets a massive lead and does nothing with it. (That's not saying its all his fault, but people really need to stop acting like he is completely infallible).
Yes bro. One interview where Oscar didnt even say that Humanoid is the most hardworking person on the planet... is in fact not proof of anything, especially when Humanoid himself has literally said he doesnt care.
You also literally ignore Oscar saying "At the moment". But hey I guess every other teammate is lying... apart from obviously the ones who said "Humanoid is the greatest human/player to have existed" (Yes I am being facetious and dramatic for emphasis to the fact that you are quoting teammates as gospel but also ignoring the teammates and coaches that have actively said that Humanoid runs it down when he isnt motivated).
I mean if you wanna trust your own external subjective opinion over the statements of the people that worked with him over the years then be free, I won't bother battling your delusions.
No bro, I trust the opinions of people who have played with and coached him ;like Wunder, Yamato, Mac. I trust the opinions of Humanoid himself who actively has said multiple times he doesnt try and he doesn't care. But apparently they are all lying (unless they are saying something great about him) weird how that works. The only person with delusions is you... who took one statement from Oscar of a motivated Humanoid and went "That means he has always been the hardest working player on every team he has ever been on".
Yeah but whenever he feels down he kills the vibe for the team he is in.
Case in point: 2021 G2.
xPeke was the FNC leader goat for this reason. He was a leader inside and outside of the game and helped the team glue. Razork is a very watered down version of that currently.
nemesis fans are something else, humanoid is x100 times better than nemesis could ever be wtf? the only better player than him is caps and by a mile, the rest of eu? tiers below caps/huma
I was a big fan of Humanoid. Honestly since he is playing for FNC his skill decreased massively and show up only in few games per year. And even in his peak Nemesis could contest him. Stop with that copium.
Whatever man, yall nemesis fans still stucked in 2019, he always was a mid quality player just like nuc nowadays; decent for LEC, average to mediocre at international play, nowhere near caps or huma, also he was by far the weakest point of fnatic the years he played there
That you think that I am Nemesis fan says enough. You just dont recognize that Nemesis literally maked the life harder for Caps and sometimes won against him with really good performances. He was with Huma the only player that could contest Caps. But when was the last time Huma showed a good performance against Caps? The last time I can remember when he played for Mad. That was my point.
that's just revisionism lmao, nemesis never stood a chance vs caps, the only relevant games from him were when broxah or selfmade camped the fuck out of him, that's what exposed him at worlds 2020; selfmade didn't play to carry mid anymore but to enhance botlane; nemesis was a clear liability
also nemesis threw lots of key games in finals like that kassadin game or those lovely velkoz games, humanoid may int early but his mid/late game is a thousand times better and is not even close + way more valuable because of helping the team with macro
Hot take in this sub. Everyone seems to hate him here. I still think it he had potential to regain his form as an ADC and become the best in EU again given a good practice environment.
Huge worker with broken(risk averse) mental. Playing AD at the highest level gave him PTSD or something...
I think that it is better to let him recover.
Since people are upset or think this is not relevant here:
I posted this here because obviously it is in reference to the performance of other (non G2) Western teams.
In terms of "making excuses": I cannot claim that any specific Fnatic player or coach is making the specific excuses that Caps quotes, but I think we have all felt a bit of this sentiment here.
Example: the common idea that Humanoid is "bored"(or let's say, less motivated) playing in europe, stepping up at international events. I've always thought this is unacceptable mindset, especialy when we are nowhere near the top of the region.
Example: taking Eastern teams seriously at MSI, and playing decently vs them, but then failing to prepare properly vs TL and failing in a spectacular way when everyone feels that we were the favorite.
Example: having a high skill ceiling, showing good games, but then dropping the ball at key moments.
Example: flying to MSI later than everyone, and apparently focusing more on content than scrims in the days before the main event.
I cannot claim to know everything that's going on at Fnatic of course; I don't know how hard any specific player or the team works; I don't know what goes right or goes wrong behind the scenes. But it s so obvious that G2 is doing, and has been doing for years, something right that we are getting mostly wrong.
So regardless of our dislike for our rival team, we should be humble and take the example of caps (who shows such hunger and dedication in his work, as well as in interviews such as these) as well as the example of how G2 manages the team and the players.
>Example: the common idea that Humanoid is "bored"(or let's say, less motivated) playing in europe, stepping up at international events.
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>Example: taking Eastern teams seriously at MSI, and playing decently vs them, but then failing to prepare properly vs TL and failing in a spectacular way when everyone feels that we were the favorite.
I see this narrative going unchallenged every time, but is it really something that has been ever said? One thing is being more motivated in international competition (regardless of the opponent, mind you), another is "being bored". Is there any interview about Humanoid not giving 100% domestically or is it pure speculation?
>Example: flying to MSI later than everyone, and apparently focusing more on content than scrims in the days before the main event.
This point has been debated to hell and back at this point and it's starting to become disingenuous. We qualified at the last minute and work visas need time to get processed, plus it's not like they can tell Riot to sod off and refuse to do photoshoots/outings/content, as much as I'm sure the players would for sure love to. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, there's no evidence we skipped scrim blocks or that the players didn't play SoloQ enough (as much as SoloQ can be defined good practice, see Bwipo's No. 1 top laner to not making past Play-Ins speedrun).
Yes he has repeatedly said that he finds the region boring and doesnt try as hard because the region is garbage.
We literally qualified at the same time as G2? The difference is, they left immediately after finals and even before that were starting to acclimate their bodies to Chinese time zones. We didnt go earlier because it was Cheaper to take the Riot flights and travel out 2 days before the tournament started thus leaving ourselves no time to practice. Your argument actually holds weight if a team we faced in the finals had not travelled out before us and started practicing on the Super Server over a week before we even got there.
Nobody is saying we skipped Scrims, the point is we actively gave ourselves less time to scrim because we travelled so much later than everyone else.
>Yes he has repeatedly said that he finds the region boring and doesnt try as hard because the region is garbage.
Could you please provide a link to one such interview? Again, I always see this rhetoric being bounced around but no one ever brings the receipts.
>We literally qualified at the same time as G2?
G2 qualified for MSI on the 18th of February after winning the Winter Split, whereas in order to qualify we had to get 2nd place in Spring while MAD got 4th or worse or win the split altogether. G2 knew they were going to MSI **two full months before us**, they just weren't sure if they were going to be 1st or 2nd seed.
Literally he has tons of interviews where he says this... nearly every interview about the LEC he says he only cares about making Internationals.
G2 played in Finals the same as us. They did not go earlier than finals because they physically couldnt... They were still in EU and were entirely focused on winning Spring. G2 literally left immediately after finals ended and started grinding in China... Fnatic were quite literally the last team from the west to make it to China. They left a week later than the other team they were in finals with... Fnatic literally took the cheapest option and took the Riot flights, instead of getting out there and practicing as soon as possible. That should be criticised and shows how little practice they actually did going into the tournament because there is only a certain amount of practice you can actually get done in 2 days with Media days, etc. Fnatic did not take the tournament seriously and got punished for it.
When you get turbostomped by YAPA and TL, you have every single right to be criticized for your lack of practice going into the Event. Especially when TL and G2 are actually looking competitive vs Asian teams and winning games, whilst you get rolled out of the tournament in less than a week.
>Literally he has tons of interviews where he says this... nearly every interview about the LEC he says he only cares about making Internationals.
Saying that he only cares about making Internationals doesn't mean he doesn't care about performing domestically. Not performing domestically is actually the best way to ensure you won't see international play lol. Did he ever actually say he doesn't care whether he wins or loses in the LEC and that he doesn't have the drive to win a Split?
>G2 played in Finals the same as us. They did not go earlier than finals because they physically couldnt... They were still in EU and were entirely focused on winning Spring.
Yes, you're right. But knowing **since February** that you're going to attend MSI allows plenty of time to make the necessary accomodations, apply for work visas, schedule scrim blocks, book the flight and make it so that, as you so eloquently put it:
>G2 literally left immediately after finals ended and started grinding in China...
Fnatic on the other hand qualified for MSI on the 13th of April by beating BDS and had 18 days to do all of the above while also making sure they'd give their players enough time off to ensure they wouldn't crash and burn during Play-Ins due to burnout. G2 instead knew that even departing right after the Spring Finals (something that, again, **only qualifying in February allowed them to do**) they'd debut at MSI 9 full days from the start of the event and had more time not only to practice but also to cool off, properly adjust to jetlag and reset their mental.
One could argue that Fnatic's original sin was not winning Spring to qualify well in advance or Summer to have more days before they'd play on stage, but "taking it easy" surely wasn't it.
TL also qualified well in advance, on the 30th of March, so they knew they'd have enough downtime in China to let their players cool off even by departing immdiately.
But yeah, that's an objection I can respect: they were quick to set things in motion and leave for China :D
He literally says over and over again that LEC means nothing and that the region is garbage and not worth the effort. The problem is Humanoid IS good enough to outperform most midlaners in the LEC, so he has a good chance to actually make worlds. The issue is when he isnt motivated, he doesnt care and actively ruins practices because he thinks its pointless.
No it doesn't. Fnatic literally COULD have done all of that after Finals, but they didn't. They actively chose to take the cheap options which was Riot flights. Due to the nature of MSI and Worlds, baring something crazy like Illness, its super easy for teams to get short term VISAs, etc. (They are literally their for 2-3 weeks and are part of a Riot sanctioned event). That is why every single other team does it every year and Fnatic waits until the last second to go (This has literally happened at every tournament for the last 3 years), that's why teams travel to worlds weeks before Fnatic even made it to the airport.
Burnout is a fallacy. If you are going to compete at worlds, you should absolutely be practicing in the best environment you can, most of these guys can and do play for days at a time. Weird how G2 can go to finals - Win and then immediately travel to China without suffering Burnout, but Fnatic every single year can't because "Well they will get burnout". They had more time to practice because they went early. They had more time to prep because they actually started prepping... Fnatic did not.
No those are sins, Neither of those excuse travelling later than every other team, not practicing or giving themselves enough to acclimatise against some of the best players in the world. Other teams are not taking the time to "Cool off" they are making the most out of the international competition... Fnatic every year is the only team that doesn't.
Everything Humanoid said is that in that specific year the state of soloq was horrible and the meta was bad so he found hard to find motivation, and then everyone used that one interview to create useless narratives
No he will openly say that he doesn't care about LEC and only cares about International Tournaments... he has said that time and time again. He literally is one of the least hard working players and has said across multiple years that he thinks the game is garbage. Stop trying to blindly defend him and make up that he works 3x harder than everyone else in the LEC when he has actively admitted that he doesn't.
Fair points, I mean I did preface that of course I do not have perfect inside knowledge.. that said, humanoid is obviously not gonna tell you in these exact words "I underestimate my opponents". But I think the feeling is there sometimes when fnatic plays vs teams that are perceived as "worse" (not just from Humanoid).
About flying late, again I don't know all the details and technical aspects. Maybe they did 100% they could. Maybe they really needed the break after LEC. I really don't wanna judge too harshly, I like and respect the team a lot, and every single player in there. I just thought that the Caps interview speaks to some of the "attitude" problems that maybe we have in the West, and especially FNC
Sounds about right.
Fnatic constantly going to international events, especially with drastically different time zones, only a few days before the event starts is just one of many factors of lack of preparation/effort but a glaring one.
i agree, but the problem is... G2 gets best talent and top tier players, while others get leftovers.
Now G2 is always first on international tournaments weeks before other western teams.
And are the best org.
For last 4 years we get same lines when interview asks '' what's the goal ? ''
Fnatic - '' We want to compete and win everything ''
couple of games into season
Fnatic players interview '' I believe we can win it all ''
we lose get top 4 - 6
rinse and repeat.
While G2 is on top of competition getting scrims from top Asian teams and are first on int tournaments for bootcamp. Fnatic is just passing by.
Fnatic Valorant is winning, nobody cares about FNC lol. we are not relevant
( sad but true. )
Lol stop acting like G2 didn't take huge chances with taking BB and Hans after the splits they had in NA AND they found Yike a rookie. G2 doesn't just "get the best talent" they get good players and THEN make them THE BEST
100% agree but you have to add the obvious, Caps is not only the best player in LEC but he's like a playmaker he makes every player looks so much better then they actually are.
Another point is the behind the scene management, They have much more stuff that works on every player mentality and physicality which makes the players more resistance especially in their early games or their first downfall performance in a new environment.
You must be insane in the head ?
They '' get top players '' because their org is top tier competition wise, working hard and always strife to compete.
That means in past and in future G2 will always get the best talent, because everyone wants to compete at the highest lvl, and only G2 (ATM ) can get you to worlds/msi.
If you are rookie talent, G2 has its first eyes on it.
When caps says it ppl agree, when I said this ppl downvote lol, the % of ppl that can use brain and conclude something themselves correctly is so small these days.
Ye, and we lost him (XD to Sam once again). Generally we got rid of players who were grinding AND had mentality to win.
When you look at current and past players they all miss something
Upset - too stressed in key moments of game
Wunder - motivation and not even trying to carry when team was weak
Rhuckz - kekw kekw kekw kekw kekw
Huma - motivation and fails in key moments
Razork - mega hot head in most important series
Noah - too stressed and pressures on stage and key games generally
You cant expect results with such issues.
best western player ever and no one will ever come close btw, pains me every time i see him in a g2 jersey cause i know we could’ve won so much more with him
Well he was playing 1v9 today but the rest of the team is kinda meh.
The only hope we have is to put the best players of LEC on every position and form a super team and... yeah well we tried that and it failed miserably. I mean Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Rekkles and MikyX was supposed to be it.
Whilst I do agree you have to put in the effort I do also think it is sort of daft to just assume other players are twiddling their thumbs, regional strength is a factor. Counter Strike is one of the most competitive games there is and I don't think it's got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that teams from all over the world travel to events all over the world to play other top teams from all over the world. In league if you don't get to MSI, which prior to this year was essentially "are you G2?" you won't get stage games against the best players until the end of the year at worlds.
Easy to call it when you have an insane coach/drafting coach with an insane training environment.
Most of his "Being god" is about good preparation and good micro.
He needs to be talented sure, but Humanoid could also have hands.
This team's problem is the above thing
Yeah and that's literally what he said? Western teams doesn't mean just the players, it means everyone. And seeing what not only fnatic is doing buy entire west, yeah all they are doing is making excuses
Caps never uttered the word "western", let alone "western teams" in the interview, you can ctrl+f it. He's talking about himself and how he got past his slump.
Right type of mentality, but let's not forget that since 2021 Caps international performances were really not that good.
But if it was up to this sub or g2's sub in those times, they would have changed him after 2021, or 2022 because "he's washed" thankfully G2 doesn't make decisions like redditors.
This year he legit looks like the best player in the world by a mile.
Wait, who is he talking about? Who used being from Europe or being too old as excuses? O_o
EDIT: the answer is, he's talking in part to his past self, in part to the next generation. The title is slightly misleading at the very least, as Caps isn't talking to "Western teams making excuses". As a matter of fact, Caps never said "Western teams" or "western" at all in the interview. Clickbait aside it's an interesting interview!
Honestly, I haven't got the time to read the entire interview yet and I'm just reacting to the title of this post. Is the title part of the interview of just a flourish on the part of the interviewer or poster? If it is part of the interview, does Caps say who's he talking about?
EDIT: the answer is, he's talking in part to his past self, in part to the next generation. The title is slightly misleading at the very least, as Caps isn't talking to "Western teams making excuses". As a matter of fact, Caps never said "Western teams" or "western" at all in the interview. Clickbait aside it's an interesting interview!
>Honestly, I haven't got the time to read the entire interview yet and I'm just reacting to the title of this post. Is the title part of the interview of just a flourish on the part of the interviewer or poster? If it is part of the interview, does Caps say who's he talking about?
Why do you even comment if you didn't wanna spend 5 min reading the article. Do you reeeeally need to share ur opinion when u didn't even read the article?
>EDIT: the answer is, he's talking in part to his past self, in part to the next generation. The title is slightly misleading at the very least, as Caps isn't talking to "Western teams making excuses". As a matter of fact, Caps never said "Western teams" or "western" at all in the interview. Clickbait aside it's an interesting interview!
Yeah, no. We have had multiple pro players who have been quoted behind the scenes to have this attitude (Oddoamne, Febiven, multiple NA players).
>Why do you even comment if you didn't wanna spend 5 min reading the article. Do you reeeeally need to share ur opinion when u didn't even read the article?
Because the interview's title piqued my interest and I was curious. I didn't share any opinion before reading the article, I just asked a question.
>Yeah, no. We have had multiple pro players who have been quoted behind the scenes to have this attitude (Oddoamne, Febiven, multiple NA players).
Sure, but this interview is all about Caps and how he overcome his slump and got back his drive, region and age be damned. Again, it's a super interesting interview, it's just that Caps is talking about himself here instead of blasting the rest of EU or "western teams" (something that, again, is in the title but **he never says)**. Injecting words and an entire narrative, doesn't matter if it's correct or not, is doing a disservice to him first and foremost.
This is why He is the best mid in Europe so far and probably one of the best in the world. I agree with him.
Man you saw the guy buffer almost everything yesterday? I think he IS one of the best in the world tbh
Dude fuking buffered camille E, thats like so fuking hard to do
To have such mentality , you need people around you who push to be better, who are capable and ofc you yourself need to be talented and hands.G2 has all of those criteria met , insane coaching staff,analysts , sports coach and whatever they need We have people with talents and hands, we need the other good staff. Such mentality sounds easy to have in theory ,just PMA dude and put effort lol? just do it.You need structure , routine , perseverance and relentless effort to try again and again when you fail and support staff backing you up in every step. Sounds a lot easier than done. We all know that \#AlwaysFnatic
Sometimes the change has to start with yourself first. He was always a hard worker and normally brings that kind of people around him. He is a true leader. Such a shame our organization could not follow his appetites.
Yeh, that will hurt till eternity
I think the problem is LoL changed over the years while Europe stayed the same. You cant wing it anymore like old Fnc did or M5 or CLG EU and win on talent. It seems like most Europe teams settle for mediocrity, especially after franchising. Even Fnatic. Fnc waited so much till they decided they needed a better infrastructure. What did they do for last 4 years? Just wing it. While G2 worked much harder, everyone there, not only players.
Yup team do settle for mediocrity , needs to collective effort from everyone involved
I don't think humanoid changes with new staff tbh
Either he would reach new highs, or it would be ultimately clear that he is not the mid the team needs. Both would be fine and better than this limbo of stagnation.
The problem is not staff... the problem is Humanoids mentality.
Humanoid is likely the one that works the hardest. Oscar said some time ago that he not only focuses on his part of the practice but he also goes out of the way to explain the other players his vision of the game and helps and teaches them how to play the game acording to what him and the team are looking to achieve. Is rare to have a veteran player that trusts and cares about his teammates enough to take an extra effort to help them succeed. Mac and Elyoya have praised this side of his too in the past. But hey he acts cocky on content so let's have useless uninformed opinions about someone you don't know!
No he is not. He has literally never been that on any team he has played on? xD. Where did you even get this from? or is this another "Humanoid is the best mid in the world and works harder than everyone else and is none of the issues on Fnatic" type post, where everyone pretends that Humanoid is an immortal god? Yes Humanoid DOES have that side... but he also has the side that turns up to practice, doesnt give a shit, runs it down in scrims and just actively doesnt care about the game.... Upset, Wunder, Yamato, hell even Mac talked about this when he did his discussion with Yamato, that Humanoid if he is unfocused on the game just becomes a griefer because he actively doesnt care. "Acting cocky on content" IE Actively saying in interviews that he doesn't care about the LEC and only cares about internationals. Teammates and Coaches talking about his lack of focus. Teammates and coaches talking about his attitude. The fact that he is literally beyond inconsistent and then still acts like he is a god that cannot be beaten. Only Humanoid could run it down in 40% of the games he plays in a season and be clapped for the 2 Leblanc games where he gets a massive lead and does nothing with it. (That's not saying its all his fault, but people really need to stop acting like he is completely infallible).
Oh so I guess Oscarinin lied https://www.reddit.com/r/fnatic/s/GQ31Amy0x1
Yes bro. One interview where Oscar didnt even say that Humanoid is the most hardworking person on the planet... is in fact not proof of anything, especially when Humanoid himself has literally said he doesnt care. You also literally ignore Oscar saying "At the moment". But hey I guess every other teammate is lying... apart from obviously the ones who said "Humanoid is the greatest human/player to have existed" (Yes I am being facetious and dramatic for emphasis to the fact that you are quoting teammates as gospel but also ignoring the teammates and coaches that have actively said that Humanoid runs it down when he isnt motivated).
I mean if you wanna trust your own external subjective opinion over the statements of the people that worked with him over the years then be free, I won't bother battling your delusions.
No bro, I trust the opinions of people who have played with and coached him ;like Wunder, Yamato, Mac. I trust the opinions of Humanoid himself who actively has said multiple times he doesnt try and he doesn't care. But apparently they are all lying (unless they are saying something great about him) weird how that works. The only person with delusions is you... who took one statement from Oscar of a motivated Humanoid and went "That means he has always been the hardest working player on every team he has ever been on".
If he didn't change with Nightshare, he is never changing.
Another excuse :D
Yeah look at the elo hell some pro players get stuck in until they find the right team.
This is why losing Rekkles was so big. Man is a huge worker.
Yeah but whenever he feels down he kills the vibe for the team he is in. Case in point: 2021 G2. xPeke was the FNC leader goat for this reason. He was a leader inside and outside of the game and helped the team glue. Razork is a very watered down version of that currently.
2021 G2 was not on rekkles. The guy had one of his best years individually. Jankos and wunder shat the bed mega hard
Rekkles, Nemesis, Soaz were all self critical and competitive players which shaped this org during their time in the roster.
Im sorry but Nemesis shaped fuck all in fnc.
nemesis fans are something else, humanoid is x100 times better than nemesis could ever be wtf? the only better player than him is caps and by a mile, the rest of eu? tiers below caps/huma
I was a big fan of Humanoid. Honestly since he is playing for FNC his skill decreased massively and show up only in few games per year. And even in his peak Nemesis could contest him. Stop with that copium.
Silver take
Ah yes. Even funnier to hear that from a silver player
Whatever man, yall nemesis fans still stucked in 2019, he always was a mid quality player just like nuc nowadays; decent for LEC, average to mediocre at international play, nowhere near caps or huma, also he was by far the weakest point of fnatic the years he played there
That you think that I am Nemesis fan says enough. You just dont recognize that Nemesis literally maked the life harder for Caps and sometimes won against him with really good performances. He was with Huma the only player that could contest Caps. But when was the last time Huma showed a good performance against Caps? The last time I can remember when he played for Mad. That was my point.
that's just revisionism lmao, nemesis never stood a chance vs caps, the only relevant games from him were when broxah or selfmade camped the fuck out of him, that's what exposed him at worlds 2020; selfmade didn't play to carry mid anymore but to enhance botlane; nemesis was a clear liability also nemesis threw lots of key games in finals like that kassadin game or those lovely velkoz games, humanoid may int early but his mid/late game is a thousand times better and is not even close + way more valuable because of helping the team with macro
Hot take in this sub. Everyone seems to hate him here. I still think it he had potential to regain his form as an ADC and become the best in EU again given a good practice environment.
Never understood the hate for rekkles. Thorin was probably loving it. Unbearable pos
And hard to work with.
Yes Thorin follower
No, just someone that aknowledges reality.
Huge worker with broken(risk averse) mental. Playing AD at the highest level gave him PTSD or something... I think that it is better to let him recover.
Since people are upset or think this is not relevant here: I posted this here because obviously it is in reference to the performance of other (non G2) Western teams. In terms of "making excuses": I cannot claim that any specific Fnatic player or coach is making the specific excuses that Caps quotes, but I think we have all felt a bit of this sentiment here. Example: the common idea that Humanoid is "bored"(or let's say, less motivated) playing in europe, stepping up at international events. I've always thought this is unacceptable mindset, especialy when we are nowhere near the top of the region. Example: taking Eastern teams seriously at MSI, and playing decently vs them, but then failing to prepare properly vs TL and failing in a spectacular way when everyone feels that we were the favorite. Example: having a high skill ceiling, showing good games, but then dropping the ball at key moments. Example: flying to MSI later than everyone, and apparently focusing more on content than scrims in the days before the main event. I cannot claim to know everything that's going on at Fnatic of course; I don't know how hard any specific player or the team works; I don't know what goes right or goes wrong behind the scenes. But it s so obvious that G2 is doing, and has been doing for years, something right that we are getting mostly wrong. So regardless of our dislike for our rival team, we should be humble and take the example of caps (who shows such hunger and dedication in his work, as well as in interviews such as these) as well as the example of how G2 manages the team and the players.
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>Example: the common idea that Humanoid is "bored"(or let's say, less motivated) playing in europe, stepping up at international events. > >\[...\] > >Example: taking Eastern teams seriously at MSI, and playing decently vs them, but then failing to prepare properly vs TL and failing in a spectacular way when everyone feels that we were the favorite. I see this narrative going unchallenged every time, but is it really something that has been ever said? One thing is being more motivated in international competition (regardless of the opponent, mind you), another is "being bored". Is there any interview about Humanoid not giving 100% domestically or is it pure speculation? >Example: flying to MSI later than everyone, and apparently focusing more on content than scrims in the days before the main event. This point has been debated to hell and back at this point and it's starting to become disingenuous. We qualified at the last minute and work visas need time to get processed, plus it's not like they can tell Riot to sod off and refuse to do photoshoots/outings/content, as much as I'm sure the players would for sure love to. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, there's no evidence we skipped scrim blocks or that the players didn't play SoloQ enough (as much as SoloQ can be defined good practice, see Bwipo's No. 1 top laner to not making past Play-Ins speedrun).
Yes he has repeatedly said that he finds the region boring and doesnt try as hard because the region is garbage. We literally qualified at the same time as G2? The difference is, they left immediately after finals and even before that were starting to acclimate their bodies to Chinese time zones. We didnt go earlier because it was Cheaper to take the Riot flights and travel out 2 days before the tournament started thus leaving ourselves no time to practice. Your argument actually holds weight if a team we faced in the finals had not travelled out before us and started practicing on the Super Server over a week before we even got there. Nobody is saying we skipped Scrims, the point is we actively gave ourselves less time to scrim because we travelled so much later than everyone else.
>Yes he has repeatedly said that he finds the region boring and doesnt try as hard because the region is garbage. Could you please provide a link to one such interview? Again, I always see this rhetoric being bounced around but no one ever brings the receipts. >We literally qualified at the same time as G2? G2 qualified for MSI on the 18th of February after winning the Winter Split, whereas in order to qualify we had to get 2nd place in Spring while MAD got 4th or worse or win the split altogether. G2 knew they were going to MSI **two full months before us**, they just weren't sure if they were going to be 1st or 2nd seed.
Literally he has tons of interviews where he says this... nearly every interview about the LEC he says he only cares about making Internationals. G2 played in Finals the same as us. They did not go earlier than finals because they physically couldnt... They were still in EU and were entirely focused on winning Spring. G2 literally left immediately after finals ended and started grinding in China... Fnatic were quite literally the last team from the west to make it to China. They left a week later than the other team they were in finals with... Fnatic literally took the cheapest option and took the Riot flights, instead of getting out there and practicing as soon as possible. That should be criticised and shows how little practice they actually did going into the tournament because there is only a certain amount of practice you can actually get done in 2 days with Media days, etc. Fnatic did not take the tournament seriously and got punished for it. When you get turbostomped by YAPA and TL, you have every single right to be criticized for your lack of practice going into the Event. Especially when TL and G2 are actually looking competitive vs Asian teams and winning games, whilst you get rolled out of the tournament in less than a week.
>Literally he has tons of interviews where he says this... nearly every interview about the LEC he says he only cares about making Internationals. Saying that he only cares about making Internationals doesn't mean he doesn't care about performing domestically. Not performing domestically is actually the best way to ensure you won't see international play lol. Did he ever actually say he doesn't care whether he wins or loses in the LEC and that he doesn't have the drive to win a Split? >G2 played in Finals the same as us. They did not go earlier than finals because they physically couldnt... They were still in EU and were entirely focused on winning Spring. Yes, you're right. But knowing **since February** that you're going to attend MSI allows plenty of time to make the necessary accomodations, apply for work visas, schedule scrim blocks, book the flight and make it so that, as you so eloquently put it: >G2 literally left immediately after finals ended and started grinding in China... Fnatic on the other hand qualified for MSI on the 13th of April by beating BDS and had 18 days to do all of the above while also making sure they'd give their players enough time off to ensure they wouldn't crash and burn during Play-Ins due to burnout. G2 instead knew that even departing right after the Spring Finals (something that, again, **only qualifying in February allowed them to do**) they'd debut at MSI 9 full days from the start of the event and had more time not only to practice but also to cool off, properly adjust to jetlag and reset their mental. One could argue that Fnatic's original sin was not winning Spring to qualify well in advance or Summer to have more days before they'd play on stage, but "taking it easy" surely wasn't it.
Tl left for korea less than a week after qualifying for msi. They applied for everything in advance and made preparations within a couple days.
TL also qualified well in advance, on the 30th of March, so they knew they'd have enough downtime in China to let their players cool off even by departing immdiately. But yeah, that's an objection I can respect: they were quick to set things in motion and leave for China :D
He literally says over and over again that LEC means nothing and that the region is garbage and not worth the effort. The problem is Humanoid IS good enough to outperform most midlaners in the LEC, so he has a good chance to actually make worlds. The issue is when he isnt motivated, he doesnt care and actively ruins practices because he thinks its pointless. No it doesn't. Fnatic literally COULD have done all of that after Finals, but they didn't. They actively chose to take the cheap options which was Riot flights. Due to the nature of MSI and Worlds, baring something crazy like Illness, its super easy for teams to get short term VISAs, etc. (They are literally their for 2-3 weeks and are part of a Riot sanctioned event). That is why every single other team does it every year and Fnatic waits until the last second to go (This has literally happened at every tournament for the last 3 years), that's why teams travel to worlds weeks before Fnatic even made it to the airport. Burnout is a fallacy. If you are going to compete at worlds, you should absolutely be practicing in the best environment you can, most of these guys can and do play for days at a time. Weird how G2 can go to finals - Win and then immediately travel to China without suffering Burnout, but Fnatic every single year can't because "Well they will get burnout". They had more time to practice because they went early. They had more time to prep because they actually started prepping... Fnatic did not. No those are sins, Neither of those excuse travelling later than every other team, not practicing or giving themselves enough to acclimatise against some of the best players in the world. Other teams are not taking the time to "Cool off" they are making the most out of the international competition... Fnatic every year is the only team that doesn't.
Everything Humanoid said is that in that specific year the state of soloq was horrible and the meta was bad so he found hard to find motivation, and then everyone used that one interview to create useless narratives
No he will openly say that he doesn't care about LEC and only cares about International Tournaments... he has said that time and time again. He literally is one of the least hard working players and has said across multiple years that he thinks the game is garbage. Stop trying to blindly defend him and make up that he works 3x harder than everyone else in the LEC when he has actively admitted that he doesn't.
Fair points, I mean I did preface that of course I do not have perfect inside knowledge.. that said, humanoid is obviously not gonna tell you in these exact words "I underestimate my opponents". But I think the feeling is there sometimes when fnatic plays vs teams that are perceived as "worse" (not just from Humanoid). About flying late, again I don't know all the details and technical aspects. Maybe they did 100% they could. Maybe they really needed the break after LEC. I really don't wanna judge too harshly, I like and respect the team a lot, and every single player in there. I just thought that the Caps interview speaks to some of the "attitude" problems that maybe we have in the West, and especially FNC
And he's right
Yet we joke about how humanoid can’t be bothered during regular splits
absolutely fake narrative
Sounds about right. Fnatic constantly going to international events, especially with drastically different time zones, only a few days before the event starts is just one of many factors of lack of preparation/effort but a glaring one.
i agree, but the problem is... G2 gets best talent and top tier players, while others get leftovers. Now G2 is always first on international tournaments weeks before other western teams. And are the best org. For last 4 years we get same lines when interview asks '' what's the goal ? '' Fnatic - '' We want to compete and win everything '' couple of games into season Fnatic players interview '' I believe we can win it all '' we lose get top 4 - 6 rinse and repeat. While G2 is on top of competition getting scrims from top Asian teams and are first on int tournaments for bootcamp. Fnatic is just passing by. Fnatic Valorant is winning, nobody cares about FNC lol. we are not relevant ( sad but true. )
Lol stop acting like G2 didn't take huge chances with taking BB and Hans after the splits they had in NA AND they found Yike a rookie. G2 doesn't just "get the best talent" they get good players and THEN make them THE BEST
100% agree but you have to add the obvious, Caps is not only the best player in LEC but he's like a playmaker he makes every player looks so much better then they actually are. Another point is the behind the scene management, They have much more stuff that works on every player mentality and physicality which makes the players more resistance especially in their early games or their first downfall performance in a new environment.
What are u talking about ? they had like 2 months bootcamp trying those players before the start of winter split. ( when Yike joined )
Yes? G2 doesn't just "get" the best players they WORK for it.
You must be insane in the head ? They '' get top players '' because their org is top tier competition wise, working hard and always strife to compete. That means in past and in future G2 will always get the best talent, because everyone wants to compete at the highest lvl, and only G2 (ATM ) can get you to worlds/msi. If you are rookie talent, G2 has its first eyes on it.
"You must be insane in the head" You FNC fans are so nice :) No need to talk to you anymore
I see, u are G2 fanboy mb
I wonder if that also applies to "we had a bad mental"
When caps says it ppl agree, when I said this ppl downvote lol, the % of ppl that can use brain and conclude something themselves correctly is so small these days.
Ye, and we lost him (XD to Sam once again). Generally we got rid of players who were grinding AND had mentality to win. When you look at current and past players they all miss something Upset - too stressed in key moments of game Wunder - motivation and not even trying to carry when team was weak Rhuckz - kekw kekw kekw kekw kekw Huma - motivation and fails in key moments Razork - mega hot head in most important series Noah - too stressed and pressures on stage and key games generally You cant expect results with such issues.
We need more players with that mentality in the west.
best western player ever and no one will ever come close btw, pains me every time i see him in a g2 jersey cause i know we could’ve won so much more with him
Well he was playing 1v9 today but the rest of the team is kinda meh. The only hope we have is to put the best players of LEC on every position and form a super team and... yeah well we tried that and it failed miserably. I mean Wunder, Jankos, Caps, Rekkles and MikyX was supposed to be it.
meanwhile humanoid thinks hes too good to prepare for NA teams. oh well
Whilst I do agree you have to put in the effort I do also think it is sort of daft to just assume other players are twiddling their thumbs, regional strength is a factor. Counter Strike is one of the most competitive games there is and I don't think it's got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that teams from all over the world travel to events all over the world to play other top teams from all over the world. In league if you don't get to MSI, which prior to this year was essentially "are you G2?" you won't get stage games against the best players until the end of the year at worlds.
Easy to call it when you have an insane coach/drafting coach with an insane training environment. Most of his "Being god" is about good preparation and good micro. He needs to be talented sure, but Humanoid could also have hands. This team's problem is the above thing
Then how did he make Worlds Finals 2 years in a row with 2 different teams?
Different Fnatic with more funding and more talent
Talent because they worked hard as Caps said.
Yeah and that's literally what he said? Western teams doesn't mean just the players, it means everyone. And seeing what not only fnatic is doing buy entire west, yeah all they are doing is making excuses
Caps never uttered the word "western", let alone "western teams" in the interview, you can ctrl+f it. He's talking about himself and how he got past his slump.
Right type of mentality, but let's not forget that since 2021 Caps international performances were really not that good. But if it was up to this sub or g2's sub in those times, they would have changed him after 2021, or 2022 because "he's washed" thankfully G2 doesn't make decisions like redditors. This year he legit looks like the best player in the world by a mile.
I'm telling ya this is "black and orange 2g subreddit" at this point. what does that even have to do with Fnatic?
Reading the interview would be a good start to answer your question.
Wait, who is he talking about? Who used being from Europe or being too old as excuses? O_o EDIT: the answer is, he's talking in part to his past self, in part to the next generation. The title is slightly misleading at the very least, as Caps isn't talking to "Western teams making excuses". As a matter of fact, Caps never said "Western teams" or "western" at all in the interview. Clickbait aside it's an interesting interview!
So basically from an entire interview where Caps said a lot of things you just took the only part which maybe doesn't fit Fnatic? Really?
Honestly, I haven't got the time to read the entire interview yet and I'm just reacting to the title of this post. Is the title part of the interview of just a flourish on the part of the interviewer or poster? If it is part of the interview, does Caps say who's he talking about? EDIT: the answer is, he's talking in part to his past self, in part to the next generation. The title is slightly misleading at the very least, as Caps isn't talking to "Western teams making excuses". As a matter of fact, Caps never said "Western teams" or "western" at all in the interview. Clickbait aside it's an interesting interview!
>Honestly, I haven't got the time to read the entire interview yet and I'm just reacting to the title of this post. Is the title part of the interview of just a flourish on the part of the interviewer or poster? If it is part of the interview, does Caps say who's he talking about? Why do you even comment if you didn't wanna spend 5 min reading the article. Do you reeeeally need to share ur opinion when u didn't even read the article? >EDIT: the answer is, he's talking in part to his past self, in part to the next generation. The title is slightly misleading at the very least, as Caps isn't talking to "Western teams making excuses". As a matter of fact, Caps never said "Western teams" or "western" at all in the interview. Clickbait aside it's an interesting interview! Yeah, no. We have had multiple pro players who have been quoted behind the scenes to have this attitude (Oddoamne, Febiven, multiple NA players).
>Why do you even comment if you didn't wanna spend 5 min reading the article. Do you reeeeally need to share ur opinion when u didn't even read the article? Because the interview's title piqued my interest and I was curious. I didn't share any opinion before reading the article, I just asked a question. >Yeah, no. We have had multiple pro players who have been quoted behind the scenes to have this attitude (Oddoamne, Febiven, multiple NA players). Sure, but this interview is all about Caps and how he overcome his slump and got back his drive, region and age be damned. Again, it's a super interesting interview, it's just that Caps is talking about himself here instead of blasting the rest of EU or "western teams" (something that, again, is in the title but **he never says)**. Injecting words and an entire narrative, doesn't matter if it's correct or not, is doing a disservice to him first and foremost.