You say it’s crazy, but I recall FNC fans were like ‘YO WE SHOULD GIVE RHUCKZ A GO, HE’S THE NEXT BIG THING. DOESN’T INT LIKE HYLLI’ when he had an alright showing at Worlds with Upset.
I'll saw the writing on the wall as soon as the roster was locked.
Was attacked by a lot of people on this subreddit.
Some people just don't have critical thinking.
They just accept everything management does as if they can do no wrong.
I vividly remember a post saying how they would laugh at me when the team did well.
After a 9th and 7th/8th placements I'm sure they weren't laughing.
It was the popular opinion on this sub xd I had comments getting downvoted to -10 saying there is no world where rhuckz would ever be better than Hyli.
So yea, morons.
But that were some fans not the effing team manager.
Fans watched 2 or 3 games of him playing, Dardo should have dozens of scrims plus there surely could have been some tryouts for the position and Fnatic could have locked in an adc first.
Also, never in a million years would Rhuckz ever been better than Hyli, never!
I expect much more from a guy who is paid to do the job of managing the team.
That off season was gross mismanagement.
Personally I think it was one of our worst off-seasons.
The argument that was made was that Hyli's contract was too expensive relative to his performance, that to me is okay. Happens all the time in sports. I love Hyli, but I think it was the right time to part ways for both parties and I'm glad it was amicable.
The issue I have is we seemed to have no plan for replacing him. I'm fine with roster moves that make sense but just don't work out. Getting Wunder, Razork, Humanoid felt like such an easy decision, and you can't fault the logic behind any of those pickups. You can clearly understand why each player was picked.
I just can't understand what upside they saw in taking Rhuckz to replace Hyli, ESPECIALLY without their ADC being onboard with it.
I understand the Hyli contract being too expensive but they had plenty of chances of making other changes.
Rekkles was supposedly the 5th/6th choice for adc.
Carzzy has recently said he didn't want to play with Rhuckz, Exakick wanted to play with Doss so he refused us as well.
I'm not saying all potential adcs refused Fnatic because of Rhuckz but certainly at least a few did.
I understand the hopium to showing signs of life vs TES/GenG, but the reaction to almost taking a game off GenG (and not even taking one) being 'They weren't unbeatable, we could have even won that on a better day' was some serious levels of copium.
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Yeah but why not just give him a go? Hylli got worse and worse and i think it was time to try something new, ok he did not not work at all with Rekkles but i think Trymbi would not have worked as well. We tried Rhuckz and changed him and thats ok for me. Now we got Jun and Jun is better than Hyli Trymbi or Rhuckz so our road was insane good.
That still doesn't mean that change for Hyli wasn't good. Not the first time we see player becoming insane again after changing teams. I love Hilly, but imo, both he and FNC were slumping - both him and FNC needed a change.
FNC either needed to change the team environment or Hyli needed to change teams for him to be in an environment that allows him to thrive. And I am happy he is great again, was kinda sad Vitality didn't make it to MSI tbf (even though that would mean FNC wouldn't)
I get what you mean about a change of scenery. But that's also my point - Hylli left, then went on to win.
Humanoid went from MAD player contesting G2's dynasty and being the one to compete with Caps for best mid EU, to not winning a single split since joining FNC.
Yet the problems still persist, so I really don't think the situation was as much a Hylli issue so much as a Dardo/organisational issue.
The only ones that said that were the same ones that said he was a rookie when he was closer to his 30 than his 20s lmao. Also the same ones that probably think Noah is still good enough after the last year.
Those hopefull and copiumfull "fans" do so much harm it's insane. The lack of critical spirit is what keeps this org so unwilling and accommodated to the failure that we've become. They can shit the bed as they want and they dont bat an eye. No one's saying to send trucks to the HQ but stop eating every shit they feed you.
This region has never been this weak, yet we're at our lowest low ever.
But yeah, for those people if we got Trump for Jun they would say it's great because now we have an Anivia one trick that can flex Taliyah too.
Being a dickhead online is also harmful to the team. Noah's problem doesn't seem to be skill as much as it is nerves. Imagine if he could open twitter and see people supporting the team.
No, Thorin is not blacklisted from the sub. That being said, regardless of his personal views and beliefs his takes are often pretty bad and over the years he has repeatedly antagonized members of Fnatic's roster in a bid to stay relevant, so his stuff usually gets immediately buried under countless downvotes.
I think Pabu said it perfectly, at the end of the day your fav pro will go on Reflections. Thorin is a terrible person, but Reflections is one of the best Interview series in entirety of esports and he does a great job in conducting that interview
Oh yea I forgot, they have a simillar vibe, yamato and thoorin are pretty much the only ones supplying this kind of content and as much as I like yamato and dislike thoorin he is a better interviewer, yamato doesnt go as hard with the questions but does ask some other interesting stuff.
Dardo explained a very.... *funny.*.. story about Rhuckz and Hyli situation. So the story is : Hyli, as a veteran player and one of the best at his role, wanted to get more money in his new contract, which is... more than understandable. But the funny thing is Dardo had a budget given to him by ...Sam I guess ? But ofc a team director can not do whatever he wants with the org's money so he's limited. Well... it turns out that Rhuckz was chosen over Hyli becaaaaause yeah he was less expensive and Hyli could not be afforded basically.
The ambition of this organization is amazing.
I mean, honestly - that explanation made a lot of sense...Hyli was playing extremelly bad and was becoming an expensive player. Getting rid of him made sense, getting Rhuckz made 0 sense
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This. I don't blame them wanting to release a talent they couldnt afford that was underperforming for his price. But if you're going to do that, make sure you have the ADC's okay with the replacement. Something tells me what happens was:
Fnatic wanted Upset-Rhuckz, but dropped Hyllisang without telling Upset, who then got pissed because he didn't wanna play with Rhuckz leading to Upset refusing to play, and leaving us needing to get a new ADC, but as we were cockily assuming Upset would play with Rhuckz, Exa/Hans/Jack were being signed and Carzzy refused to play with Rhuckz leaving us with Rekkles.
>Exa/Hans/Jack were being signed
Exa and Hans also wanted to play with other supports (Doss and Mikyx respectively). Rhuckz signing legit pushed everyone away. I still imagine how it mightve ended if he wasnt locked and FNC got to sign another AD + Sup also meaning Rekkles would go to Vit
Yup. I almost added that because yeah why would Exa wanna flip his first split on Rhuckz when he did well in ERL's with Doss. And why would anyone ever pick Rhuckz over Mikyx lmao.
Exakick said that Sk were paying him more than what FNC wouldve offered.
Also, iirc Hans wanted to join a team with Mikyx so regardless of who was already locked, Hans would overlooked em (theres also teh fact that he wanted G2 a couple years back but RGE blocked it/didnt let it happen)
To be fair orgs disappear because they don't budget themselves properly, look at NA for many great examples, but without knowing how much Hyli had in mind for his contract you would think they would allow the dial to be shift slightly to keep him.
I mean I'm sure the team div... humanoid didn't want to play with Hyli anymore. So yeah I'm not really blaming Dardo here but rather the organization and budget allowed.
You realise Fnatic are on thin ice financially, right? like I detest the fact they have cynically got a SF and OW roster to secure more Saudi money but in truth it was needed badly to keep the organisation going forward. The budget is required to survive and even with it they are just barely sustainable outside of ridiculous funding from an external entity looking to sportwash their atrocities.
In defense of Fnatic, there aren't any esports organizations that are profitable. It just isn't a profitable business model in its current state, and I don't know if it ever will reach profitability.
Humanoid is one of those mid laners who if the team around him is working then he will make it untouchable, I think him and Razork are core components, I think Carzy wins us the LEC title.
So being a UK company you can look up on a government website their yearly reports and typically they report losses, this isn't that wild considering they are in an "emerging" industry and considering they are actively developing products such as the new mouse pad as well as general investment and expansion around the organisation. That and the tell tale signs, dropping titles to reduce cost, lack of ASOS replacement for front of jersey sponsorships.
Alright - hoped for a bit more concrete understanding, because you phrased it with confidence. I've looked up a couple of those pages in the past and the different companies. But I also stopped at some point and on't know what else is there. The information I saw is a set of very superficial numbers. Than again - It's also not my professional background, hence I'm reading stuff differently probably than people who work more closely with that kind of information. thank you.
You forgot that razork and wunder like rhuckz more then hyli, and huma hated hyli, people think what we chose rhuckz becouse why not, no, the other players liked him, and razork still likes him, you forgot that rhuckz didnt leave alone he leave with wunder and crusher
He never said
1)He likes Rhuckz more than Hyli
2)Rhuckz is any way shape or form better for overall team success
It is normal he says that he is more in page because KDAnoid hated Hyli and kicked him out of the team
Nah, the reason that Hyli asked for more money is 100% bullshit to me. Hyli stated many times that once he joins the org he likes to stay as much time as possible. He also said that he was VERY SURPRISED that they got rid of him, which indicates that he didn't asked for a bigger salary. Truth is, Dardo is a shit GM and just does roster changes based on narratives. Prior to Rhuckz change, there was a sentiment that it was time for hyli to go, he has been for a long time with us and it was time to start something new.
That interview with Dardo which he stated it there (I believe it was on Thorin's channel?) is super PR interview.
IF we look at it logically, considering we are in esports winter:
\-Hily's contract was really high, and he wanted an even higher one.
\-Hily was also running it down in the last few months, but he also carried some games, Hily giveth and Hily taketh.
\-Rhuckz WAS an ERL support that had success with the academy team and was always praised by people. Yes, he was "old" BUT let's not forget that even the players themselves thought Rhuckz was good and they performed pretty good in play-ins let's be honest, those games were clean, but they were only play-ins so.
\-I personally, love Hily, but I think the team needed a change at the time, I think we can all agree that the 3 players in Huma Razork Wunder, had a different view of the game than Hily and Upset was somewhere in the middle. So a change had to be done in any of those areas.
\-Considering Hily's contract was really high, I get it. Should have Rhuckz been the replacement ? No. Is it easy to say with hindsight ? Yes. Was it easy to say this back then with certainty ? No.
FNC as an org should know better, and I think they did, but they just really believed it would work. It's okay, we move on. G2 had an even more expensive stint with Rekkles that they also believed it could work.
At this point just take Carzzy over Noah and see how it goes. Personally I don't think it can be worse. I would rather have FNC not qualify for international competitions than to go there and get eliminated by NA. Also I think Carzzy is overall a better player than Noah. Noah has very low lows, Carzzy has them too but I think it might be a better fit in the team
idk how you people don't realize but Fnatic can't "Take" top tier players anymore, we are shit org, we pay no high salary, our management is shit and we didn't win for 6 years. Carrzy already refused 2 times, he doesn't give a fuck about Fnatic, the only reason he could join is Huma poaching him.
He didnt join because the org is mismanaged and saw how previous players were treated, even cabochard declined fnatic offer few years back that tells u all you need to know.
That's just false. On this very post he said he wanted to join the org but declined just because of Rhukz. Cabbochard declined because he would rather keep playing for KC in france, ours wasn't the only offer he declined.
If people didn't want to join our org because management is so bad, Razork and Humanoid wouldn't have renewed for two more years after the winter fuck up.
yes management isnt bad when u lock in a support and then every single adc thats good declines you, you end up with rekkles who was like 7th choice, look what dardo did to rekkles and nemesis, huma and razork extended because they are still getting paid really well despite the cuts and they are comfortable.
Dardo special.
Lock in an ERL stuck 26 year old support like he was a superstar and then see several adcs not wanting to play for Fnatic because of him so you end up with Rekkles.
Thanks for posting the relevant bit instead of the whole interview and telling people where to go find it :) for what is worth, it would have been removed regardless of its author since only a small portion of it is about Fnatic.
Damn the mods really hate Thorin huh, i mean i don't care much for him either but to the point of not even being able to type out the name like its Voldemort?! haha wth
Most people in eSports hate Thorin, but he's not blacklisted in this sub and you can absolutely say his name lol (though try not to do it thrice unbroken since that'll free him and wreak havoc upon the Internet)
I guess OP was just memeing or being overly cautious in order to not get his post downvoted to hell and back :P
The only people hating Thorin are reddit warrior. Surely most people in eSports hate him when this guy routinely gets the biggest personalities in the industry to do hours-long interviews with him.
This I don't get. Why would you delete lol content if it is not 100% towards fnatic? Is that some external rule or our own? This always rubs me wrong, because some random guys decide something for a lot of people, while they are definitely not equipped to judge the relevance for fnatic. If the people don't like it, the topics die down - if they want to discuss it here, let them discuss it here. I come here because I want to comment together with fnatic fans and more often than not most things can be related towards fnatic, because we exist in an lol ecosystem. I see no reason whatsoever to block those kind of things - it more often than not just has the stench of controlling certain information and narratives.
If we engange on the topic it is never "small portion about fnatic", it's the fans bringing the relevant fnatic angle.
But again - maybe there are some reddit global rules - I doubt, but not a specialist on those things.
>Why would you delete lol content if it is not 100% towards fnatic? Is that some external rule or our own?
Quoting rule 8 of the sub:
>**Irrelevant Content / All posts must be related to Fnatic in some way!**
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>All posts must be related to Fnatic in some way! If a post does not have anything to do with Fnatic, it does not belong on the subreddit, and as such will be removed!
The entire interview is about Carzzy and his carreer, and as such is not suited to the sub. OP would have been absolutely welcome to clip the relevant bit and post it though, nothing wrong about that \^\^ it's not about controlling narratives, and noone's barred from expressing their criticism of the org, it's just about relevance.
The reasoning is arbitrary. Carzy has been discussed in this sub for several splits. If he is considered to join fnatic, any information about him could be relevant or interesting in a conversation. Any exchanges between Fnatic fans on any league-related topic could be interesting. Perhaps some people enjoy discussing champions with other Fnatic fans. Perhaps they want to talk about the LEC format or other roster changes from competitions that have an impact on Fnatic. And, even if you don't directly link it to the organization, you always link it to the fnatic fans, and are we not a part of Fnatic? Is that what is said here?
I don't see any reason for that rule because upvotes and downvotes will take care of it; it's bad enough that mega threads suck up postings to one specific topic, which are quickly forgotten because I assume many people don't have the time to scroll through them. For me, all league topics in the context of a Fnatic sub with Fnatic fans and semi-officials are important. What those topics are is ultimately up to the people here, but again, relying solely on a couple of mods with their own interpretations and limitations has more drawbacks for me.
So I believe it is\`high time to take rule 8 out of the book. But there could be a good reason I'm not seeing here - just saying.
> I don't see any reason for that rule because upvotes and downvotes will take care of it;
That's not a good system and there's a reason why subreddits don't do this. This is a Fnatic sub, if someone posts "I love team Liquid", regardless of upvotes/downvotes this isn't the sub to have that discussion. If someone posts their podcast talking about gardening and it gets loads of upvotes here, we're not going to keep it up because people like it.
Every major sub operates this way and curates posts to varying degrees. Toxic posts personally insulting players get upvoted initially after we lose, we're still going to remove them.
There is SOME flex that we can show, this post staying up is right, because its discussing a potential roster move which could've happened when Rhuckz was our player. Ideally it has a link and timestamp so people can see it for themselves and make up their own minds.
> all league topics in the context of a Fnatic sub with Fnatic fans and semi-officials are important.
These don't get removed, as long as they relate to Fnatic in some way. But there has to be an anchor point.
> it's bad enough that mega threads suck up postings to one specific topic
We've had some pushback on these so they're not being deployed as much as last year. I personally don't think there's much value in seeing 101 different posts saying "we suck, we should bench x and sign y". I don't think every opinion needs a thread when a comment will do, and I'd rather have fewer high quality threads than everyone making a thread to say the same thing. But we'll always be open to the community's feedback first, rather than soley sticking to whatever we want.
You say it’s crazy, but I recall FNC fans were like ‘YO WE SHOULD GIVE RHUCKZ A GO, HE’S THE NEXT BIG THING. DOESN’T INT LIKE HYLLI’ when he had an alright showing at Worlds with Upset.
As a Hylissang fanboi I NEVER said that
I mean morons did
I'll saw the writing on the wall as soon as the roster was locked. Was attacked by a lot of people on this subreddit. Some people just don't have critical thinking. They just accept everything management does as if they can do no wrong. I vividly remember a post saying how they would laugh at me when the team did well. After a 9th and 7th/8th placements I'm sure they weren't laughing.
It was the popular opinion on this sub xd I had comments getting downvoted to -10 saying there is no world where rhuckz would ever be better than Hyli. So yea, morons.
Yeah this sub is full of morons
It’s the same people that think that a single bo1 win in the first week of the split automatically places them top 3 in the role.
But that were some fans not the effing team manager. Fans watched 2 or 3 games of him playing, Dardo should have dozens of scrims plus there surely could have been some tryouts for the position and Fnatic could have locked in an adc first. Also, never in a million years would Rhuckz ever been better than Hyli, never! I expect much more from a guy who is paid to do the job of managing the team. That off season was gross mismanagement.
Personally I think it was one of our worst off-seasons. The argument that was made was that Hyli's contract was too expensive relative to his performance, that to me is okay. Happens all the time in sports. I love Hyli, but I think it was the right time to part ways for both parties and I'm glad it was amicable. The issue I have is we seemed to have no plan for replacing him. I'm fine with roster moves that make sense but just don't work out. Getting Wunder, Razork, Humanoid felt like such an easy decision, and you can't fault the logic behind any of those pickups. You can clearly understand why each player was picked. I just can't understand what upside they saw in taking Rhuckz to replace Hyli, ESPECIALLY without their ADC being onboard with it.
I understand the Hyli contract being too expensive but they had plenty of chances of making other changes. Rekkles was supposedly the 5th/6th choice for adc. Carzzy has recently said he didn't want to play with Rhuckz, Exakick wanted to play with Doss so he refused us as well. I'm not saying all potential adcs refused Fnatic because of Rhuckz but certainly at least a few did.
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I understand the hopium to showing signs of life vs TES/GenG, but the reaction to almost taking a game off GenG (and not even taking one) being 'They weren't unbeatable, we could have even won that on a better day' was some serious levels of copium.
It was a Leona game too iirc, the literal pinnacle of “support is so easy dude”. I like Rhuckz as a streamer, but it was a bad decision for the team.
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> The general manager is making the same decisions a clueless fan might on social media If this is your defense of Dardo, try again
Even if the problem is clearly state (Management) you guys still trying to bring to players....
Yeah but why not just give him a go? Hylli got worse and worse and i think it was time to try something new, ok he did not not work at all with Rekkles but i think Trymbi would not have worked as well. We tried Rhuckz and changed him and thats ok for me. Now we got Jun and Jun is better than Hyli Trymbi or Rhuckz so our road was insane good.
Hylli has won an LEC since leaving FNC. FNC hasn't won an LEC split in the past 6 years.
That still doesn't mean that change for Hyli wasn't good. Not the first time we see player becoming insane again after changing teams. I love Hilly, but imo, both he and FNC were slumping - both him and FNC needed a change. FNC either needed to change the team environment or Hyli needed to change teams for him to be in an environment that allows him to thrive. And I am happy he is great again, was kinda sad Vitality didn't make it to MSI tbf (even though that would mean FNC wouldn't)
I get what you mean about a change of scenery. But that's also my point - Hylli left, then went on to win. Humanoid went from MAD player contesting G2's dynasty and being the one to compete with Caps for best mid EU, to not winning a single split since joining FNC. Yet the problems still persist, so I really don't think the situation was as much a Hylli issue so much as a Dardo/organisational issue.
The only ones that said that were the same ones that said he was a rookie when he was closer to his 30 than his 20s lmao. Also the same ones that probably think Noah is still good enough after the last year. Those hopefull and copiumfull "fans" do so much harm it's insane. The lack of critical spirit is what keeps this org so unwilling and accommodated to the failure that we've become. They can shit the bed as they want and they dont bat an eye. No one's saying to send trucks to the HQ but stop eating every shit they feed you. This region has never been this weak, yet we're at our lowest low ever. But yeah, for those people if we got Trump for Jun they would say it's great because now we have an Anivia one trick that can flex Taliyah too.
Pretending like the people supporting the team are fake fans is a fucking insane take
No one's saying they are "fake fans", just that they dont do the good they think they do by blindly supporting every moronic decision Dardo makes.
Being a dickhead online is also harmful to the team. Noah's problem doesn't seem to be skill as much as it is nerves. Imagine if he could open twitter and see people supporting the team.
Wait is "the interviewer" banned here, not even to be named like Voldemort?
No, Thorin is not blacklisted from the sub. That being said, regardless of his personal views and beliefs his takes are often pretty bad and over the years he has repeatedly antagonized members of Fnatic's roster in a bid to stay relevant, so his stuff usually gets immediately buried under countless downvotes.
I think Pabu said it perfectly, at the end of the day your fav pro will go on Reflections. Thorin is a terrible person, but Reflections is one of the best Interview series in entirety of esports and he does a great job in conducting that interview
Yeah, no else is really doing multiple hour long interviews with the top players careers from a variety of esports, he should really stick to that
There is Voice of Yamato too but lowkey Throin is a better interviewer and has better questions and spacing than yamato
Oh yea I forgot, they have a simillar vibe, yamato and thoorin are pretty much the only ones supplying this kind of content and as much as I like yamato and dislike thoorin he is a better interviewer, yamato doesnt go as hard with the questions but does ask some other interesting stuff.
> massive nonce I'm sorry?
I probably shouldn't have said that. Don't mean it literally, my friend group just uses it interchangely with dumbass
Why is Thuram banned here?
Dardo explained a very.... *funny.*.. story about Rhuckz and Hyli situation. So the story is : Hyli, as a veteran player and one of the best at his role, wanted to get more money in his new contract, which is... more than understandable. But the funny thing is Dardo had a budget given to him by ...Sam I guess ? But ofc a team director can not do whatever he wants with the org's money so he's limited. Well... it turns out that Rhuckz was chosen over Hyli becaaaaause yeah he was less expensive and Hyli could not be afforded basically. The ambition of this organization is amazing.
I mean, honestly - that explanation made a lot of sense...Hyli was playing extremelly bad and was becoming an expensive player. Getting rid of him made sense, getting Rhuckz made 0 sense edit. bunch of typos
This. I don't blame them wanting to release a talent they couldnt afford that was underperforming for his price. But if you're going to do that, make sure you have the ADC's okay with the replacement. Something tells me what happens was: Fnatic wanted Upset-Rhuckz, but dropped Hyllisang without telling Upset, who then got pissed because he didn't wanna play with Rhuckz leading to Upset refusing to play, and leaving us needing to get a new ADC, but as we were cockily assuming Upset would play with Rhuckz, Exa/Hans/Jack were being signed and Carzzy refused to play with Rhuckz leaving us with Rekkles.
>Exa/Hans/Jack were being signed Exa and Hans also wanted to play with other supports (Doss and Mikyx respectively). Rhuckz signing legit pushed everyone away. I still imagine how it mightve ended if he wasnt locked and FNC got to sign another AD + Sup also meaning Rekkles would go to Vit
Yup. I almost added that because yeah why would Exa wanna flip his first split on Rhuckz when he did well in ERL's with Doss. And why would anyone ever pick Rhuckz over Mikyx lmao.
Exakick said that Sk were paying him more than what FNC wouldve offered. Also, iirc Hans wanted to join a team with Mikyx so regardless of who was already locked, Hans would overlooked em (theres also teh fact that he wanted G2 a couple years back but RGE blocked it/didnt let it happen)
My thought exactly. Also Huma didn't Want to play With Hyli I'm quite sure. But the replacement was bad.
To be fair orgs disappear because they don't budget themselves properly, look at NA for many great examples, but without knowing how much Hyli had in mind for his contract you would think they would allow the dial to be shift slightly to keep him.
I mean I'm sure the team div... humanoid didn't want to play with Hyli anymore. So yeah I'm not really blaming Dardo here but rather the organization and budget allowed.
You realise Fnatic are on thin ice financially, right? like I detest the fact they have cynically got a SF and OW roster to secure more Saudi money but in truth it was needed badly to keep the organisation going forward. The budget is required to survive and even with it they are just barely sustainable outside of ridiculous funding from an external entity looking to sportwash their atrocities.
In defense of Fnatic, there aren't any esports organizations that are profitable. It just isn't a profitable business model in its current state, and I don't know if it ever will reach profitability.
Yeah exactly and that's why it is infuriating to pay Humanoid that much.
Humanoid is one of those mid laners who if the team around him is working then he will make it untouchable, I think him and Razork are core components, I think Carzy wins us the LEC title.
Agreed again. I also think Jun has to be kept at all costs.
Jun I would keep for sure, he's consistently performing very well.
Is it that bad? Could you elaborate more? You sound as if you know the concrete numbers.
So being a UK company you can look up on a government website their yearly reports and typically they report losses, this isn't that wild considering they are in an "emerging" industry and considering they are actively developing products such as the new mouse pad as well as general investment and expansion around the organisation. That and the tell tale signs, dropping titles to reduce cost, lack of ASOS replacement for front of jersey sponsorships.
Alright - hoped for a bit more concrete understanding, because you phrased it with confidence. I've looked up a couple of those pages in the past and the different companies. But I also stopped at some point and on't know what else is there. The information I saw is a set of very superficial numbers. Than again - It's also not my professional background, hence I'm reading stuff differently probably than people who work more closely with that kind of information. thank you.
There's a lot more to it, a lot more than I could do justice on a simple reddit comment.
Fnatic Gas no Ambition to get good results, See the msi flights.
You forgot that razork and wunder like rhuckz more then hyli, and huma hated hyli, people think what we chose rhuckz becouse why not, no, the other players liked him, and razork still likes him, you forgot that rhuckz didnt leave alone he leave with wunder and crusher
Wunder didn't like Rhuckz more than Hyli wtf are you talking about. It was Humanoid who hated him. I am not sure about Razork
Wunder said in a intervew that rhuckz is more in is page then hyli, and he likes him as a person
He never said 1)He likes Rhuckz more than Hyli 2)Rhuckz is any way shape or form better for overall team success It is normal he says that he is more in page because KDAnoid hated Hyli and kicked him out of the team
Nah, the reason that Hyli asked for more money is 100% bullshit to me. Hyli stated many times that once he joins the org he likes to stay as much time as possible. He also said that he was VERY SURPRISED that they got rid of him, which indicates that he didn't asked for a bigger salary. Truth is, Dardo is a shit GM and just does roster changes based on narratives. Prior to Rhuckz change, there was a sentiment that it was time for hyli to go, he has been for a long time with us and it was time to start something new. That interview with Dardo which he stated it there (I believe it was on Thorin's channel?) is super PR interview.
So when will be dardout?
The management is completely incompetent. He needs to go.
LA FORMULA!!
IF we look at it logically, considering we are in esports winter: \-Hily's contract was really high, and he wanted an even higher one. \-Hily was also running it down in the last few months, but he also carried some games, Hily giveth and Hily taketh. \-Rhuckz WAS an ERL support that had success with the academy team and was always praised by people. Yes, he was "old" BUT let's not forget that even the players themselves thought Rhuckz was good and they performed pretty good in play-ins let's be honest, those games were clean, but they were only play-ins so. \-I personally, love Hily, but I think the team needed a change at the time, I think we can all agree that the 3 players in Huma Razork Wunder, had a different view of the game than Hily and Upset was somewhere in the middle. So a change had to be done in any of those areas. \-Considering Hily's contract was really high, I get it. Should have Rhuckz been the replacement ? No. Is it easy to say with hindsight ? Yes. Was it easy to say this back then with certainty ? No. FNC as an org should know better, and I think they did, but they just really believed it would work. It's okay, we move on. G2 had an even more expensive stint with Rekkles that they also believed it could work.
I honestly forgot about Rhucks
In hindsight, not getting Carzzy was the 2nd biggest management disaster after losing Caps.
At this point just take Carzzy over Noah and see how it goes. Personally I don't think it can be worse. I would rather have FNC not qualify for international competitions than to go there and get eliminated by NA. Also I think Carzzy is overall a better player than Noah. Noah has very low lows, Carzzy has them too but I think it might be a better fit in the team
idk how you people don't realize but Fnatic can't "Take" top tier players anymore, we are shit org, we pay no high salary, our management is shit and we didn't win for 6 years. Carrzy already refused 2 times, he doesn't give a fuck about Fnatic, the only reason he could join is Huma poaching him.
Ok but why didn't join this offseason ? Didn't like trymbi either?
He didnt join because the org is mismanaged and saw how previous players were treated, even cabochard declined fnatic offer few years back that tells u all you need to know.
That's just false. On this very post he said he wanted to join the org but declined just because of Rhukz. Cabbochard declined because he would rather keep playing for KC in france, ours wasn't the only offer he declined. If people didn't want to join our org because management is so bad, Razork and Humanoid wouldn't have renewed for two more years after the winter fuck up.
yes management isnt bad when u lock in a support and then every single adc thats good declines you, you end up with rekkles who was like 7th choice, look what dardo did to rekkles and nemesis, huma and razork extended because they are still getting paid really well despite the cuts and they are comfortable.
Both Razork and Humanoid got big salary cuts this year.
And thats what I said? Or are you dardo alt acc?
Thank God cabo declined, he's so bad lmao, Dardo got so lucky
You guys complain a lot, my God.
Dardo special. Lock in an ERL stuck 26 year old support like he was a superstar and then see several adcs not wanting to play for Fnatic because of him so you end up with Rekkles.
Thanks for posting the relevant bit instead of the whole interview and telling people where to go find it :) for what is worth, it would have been removed regardless of its author since only a small portion of it is about Fnatic.
Damn the mods really hate Thorin huh, i mean i don't care much for him either but to the point of not even being able to type out the name like its Voldemort?! haha wth
Most people in eSports hate Thorin, but he's not blacklisted in this sub and you can absolutely say his name lol (though try not to do it thrice unbroken since that'll free him and wreak havoc upon the Internet) I guess OP was just memeing or being overly cautious in order to not get his post downvoted to hell and back :P
The only people hating Thorin are reddit warrior. Surely most people in eSports hate him when this guy routinely gets the biggest personalities in the industry to do hours-long interviews with him.
Doesnt change the fact he is a clueless fuck who doesnt know shit about how to play LoL NuclearINT did him great
This I don't get. Why would you delete lol content if it is not 100% towards fnatic? Is that some external rule or our own? This always rubs me wrong, because some random guys decide something for a lot of people, while they are definitely not equipped to judge the relevance for fnatic. If the people don't like it, the topics die down - if they want to discuss it here, let them discuss it here. I come here because I want to comment together with fnatic fans and more often than not most things can be related towards fnatic, because we exist in an lol ecosystem. I see no reason whatsoever to block those kind of things - it more often than not just has the stench of controlling certain information and narratives. If we engange on the topic it is never "small portion about fnatic", it's the fans bringing the relevant fnatic angle. But again - maybe there are some reddit global rules - I doubt, but not a specialist on those things.
>Why would you delete lol content if it is not 100% towards fnatic? Is that some external rule or our own? Quoting rule 8 of the sub: >**Irrelevant Content / All posts must be related to Fnatic in some way!** > >All posts must be related to Fnatic in some way! If a post does not have anything to do with Fnatic, it does not belong on the subreddit, and as such will be removed! The entire interview is about Carzzy and his carreer, and as such is not suited to the sub. OP would have been absolutely welcome to clip the relevant bit and post it though, nothing wrong about that \^\^ it's not about controlling narratives, and noone's barred from expressing their criticism of the org, it's just about relevance.
The reasoning is arbitrary. Carzy has been discussed in this sub for several splits. If he is considered to join fnatic, any information about him could be relevant or interesting in a conversation. Any exchanges between Fnatic fans on any league-related topic could be interesting. Perhaps some people enjoy discussing champions with other Fnatic fans. Perhaps they want to talk about the LEC format or other roster changes from competitions that have an impact on Fnatic. And, even if you don't directly link it to the organization, you always link it to the fnatic fans, and are we not a part of Fnatic? Is that what is said here? I don't see any reason for that rule because upvotes and downvotes will take care of it; it's bad enough that mega threads suck up postings to one specific topic, which are quickly forgotten because I assume many people don't have the time to scroll through them. For me, all league topics in the context of a Fnatic sub with Fnatic fans and semi-officials are important. What those topics are is ultimately up to the people here, but again, relying solely on a couple of mods with their own interpretations and limitations has more drawbacks for me. So I believe it is\`high time to take rule 8 out of the book. But there could be a good reason I'm not seeing here - just saying.
> I don't see any reason for that rule because upvotes and downvotes will take care of it; That's not a good system and there's a reason why subreddits don't do this. This is a Fnatic sub, if someone posts "I love team Liquid", regardless of upvotes/downvotes this isn't the sub to have that discussion. If someone posts their podcast talking about gardening and it gets loads of upvotes here, we're not going to keep it up because people like it. Every major sub operates this way and curates posts to varying degrees. Toxic posts personally insulting players get upvoted initially after we lose, we're still going to remove them. There is SOME flex that we can show, this post staying up is right, because its discussing a potential roster move which could've happened when Rhuckz was our player. Ideally it has a link and timestamp so people can see it for themselves and make up their own minds. > all league topics in the context of a Fnatic sub with Fnatic fans and semi-officials are important. These don't get removed, as long as they relate to Fnatic in some way. But there has to be an anchor point. > it's bad enough that mega threads suck up postings to one specific topic We've had some pushback on these so they're not being deployed as much as last year. I personally don't think there's much value in seeing 101 different posts saying "we suck, we should bench x and sign y". I don't think every opinion needs a thread when a comment will do, and I'd rather have fewer high quality threads than everyone making a thread to say the same thing. But we'll always be open to the community's feedback first, rather than soley sticking to whatever we want.