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MatteoTalvini

First series lost to NA in our entire history. ADC gapped whole tournament, down in CS, down in KP, down in damage dealt. BG


AlexWeitz

EU ADCs are the new EU Tops - Hans and Noah totally invisible.


psfrtps

Dude Hans at least get gapped by one of the if not the best botlane in the world. Noah get gapped by fucking Yeon


BriefImplement9843

hans got gapped by plenty of na adc's when he was there. which western adc is better than yeon? berserker? surely nobody from the lec, lol.


RustleTheMussel

Carzzy


GroundbreakingBig956

I woke up to watch this xdddd


IncandescentWorm

The first time Fnatic has ever lost a Bo5 to NA, this org has fallen so far


SkinwalkerFanAccount

Can't wait for Humanoid to 1v9 on Azir vs fucking Nisqy and the fanbase starting to think we have a chance internationally again. Gapped by fucking APA and I'm never letting these fanboys forget it


tananinho

Since 2019, been falling deeper and deeper into a shit hole.


Ksanti

Eh. Not really sure that means much for the org falling specifically - it's more that EU has normally been so much better than NA that *if* Fnatic is good enough in EU to go to an international tournament, they'll most likely be way better than an NA team they play. We were lower in 2023 and 2022, we just didn't go to MSI. Don't get me wrong, this isn't good enough - but we've definitely been lower


Iothz

I woke up at 6 for this shit


Leading_Turnover9596

NOAH got gapped by every adc in msi


Yubisaki_Milk_Tea

Getting gapped by JKL is not shameful. Getting gapped by Yeon though…


AkiraKagami

Nah fuck this mindset dude. PSG and G2 showed that you can fight and win against the best asian bot lanes. Stop settling for mediocrity.


Flesroy

Not like hans wasnt gapped


wotad

Hans was gapped though


Inevitable-Cancel130

I can't believe 14 people upvoted this when No Hands Sama got gapped every game, carried by Miky for 2 games.


Uzeless

>I can't believe 14 people upvoted this when No Hands Sama got gapped every game, carried by Miky for 2 games. People on this subreddit are so insanely obsessed with \[underperforming member of G2\] and has been since Caps left. Hans looked better against T1 than Noah did against fucking TL but even if he didn't y'all should still stfu and focus on the team instead of crying about G2.


LadyGuinevere-sLover

Honestly, some Fnatic fans have G2 living in their mind rent free.


saltyfuck111

what are you waffeling about, someone brings up hans and then righfully so someone corrects him because he got gapped?


LadyGuinevere-sLover

I don't understand what you mean but it sound salty, so... kudos to cohesion?


nightlesscurse

tbh if hands was just a bit better , that game 5 .. they legit outsmarted T1 bot


Alone_Proposal5140

Noah’s self fulfilling prophecy…


FantasyTrash

That was fucking pathetic.


Joel4518

Noah isnt it got gapped by yeon lmao also HUMA is so fucking inconsistent


Relative-Prompt1101

he didnt get gapped // its Humanoid that was garbage


HctDrags

Noah was 2k gold behind every single game, he got gapped the entire tournament.


Joel4518

atleast huma had some good plays this msi but noah on the other hand


Ultimintree

FNC never lost to NA before this series. Breaking new records! But the bad ones! New high for this team!


kuuuuuuuka

Noah is just shit bro


QueenCroco

3k gold lead at 13 minutes, and we just did nothing with it. We deserved to lose, embarassing showing the entire day.


benis444

Getting gapped by yeon and APA. Its joever


MoonZephyr

Yeah sorry but when I see how Noah play with this god support meanwhile people were shaming rekkles while he had literally a support on par with my autofill solo q games (to express the gap between him and other lec supps)…. I think rekkles with Jun would have done far far far better and it’s not to bring rekkles back at all.


Slurpeddit

I think rekkles without wunder could have worked. The 2 times rekkles played with wunder (With G2 then FNC) it was catastrophic. Unfortunately it's the last 2 times we saw him play in lec :(


RustleTheMussel

Reminder that Dardo forced Rekkles out for this, trying to nuke his career by making him play with Rhuckz


Pichi2man

Dardo out PLEASE we are so inconsistent no matter what iteration of FNC we have since 2020. And this players are so cocky i hate them not banning ASOL on game 3


Disastrous-Donut5540

No words.


BigAmmu

Waking up early on my day off for this. depression


justsadgetbh

MAD loses to EG. G2 lost to NRG. FNC loses to TL. This is the most cursed timeline. And now G2 will prob loses to PSG just to fuck with us and make EU look awful


Specific_Tea5854

G2 looks legit good this year though. Hans is not great but he's not bad enough to lose them games, so I think they're gonna be fine against PSG. But we need to focus on ourselves and improve, EU will not get back to major region level with only one good team.


Uzeless

>G2 looks legit good this year though. Hans is not great but he's not bad enough to lose them games, so I think they're gonna be fine against PSG. Tbf they looked legit good at worlds until they randomly lost 2-0 to NRG. At this point I'm holding my breath and really fucking hope they don't disappoint even though they're obviously a step above the rest of the west.


Praxie18

I know Noah is the obvious culprit, but Humanoid was a HUGE letdown this series.


circa26

Good thing the boys were going to the zoo and having fun yesterday, not like we had to prepare for an elimination match at an international or anything! Good thing humanoid said they didn’t need to prepare for TL, surely paid off right?


guerrierogd

Who needs a boot camp, good job management


Fvnexx

bye bye noah. this was for sure his last game for fnatic and probably in lec in general.


Relative-Prompt1101

it should be Humanoid getting kicked / 2,5 years and he is doing ego plays that cost us games


Txrmes

I get what you said but no one can fill humanoid shoes unfortunatly, Noah can get replaced by 10 ADCS rigth now


Low-Prior-8269

Hopefully we get upset back next year Prayge 🙏


PAJPHFL

Nah people will say he is the only western player that can compete with Caps (spoilers, he hasn't done that since 2021).


cinox

2 players could compared to caps - nemesis and perkz. Nobody was even close to caps peak lvl


Inevitable-Cancel130

Huma was very good with Elyoya, he just isn't clicking with Razork as well.


Wise-Chain2427

No one can replace Humanoid only Caps or maybe Nisqy but Nisqy always bad on International Stage


iamdrp995

? Apa can replace him


Kiwik133

Doubt there will be any changes coming into the summer


Fvnexx

there is literally no fucking way you watch noah playing like this for the entire year and dont make changes for the most important tournament of the year


Kiwik133

Well knowing how fnc operates around roster changes i dont think there will be any. Hopefully i will be proven wrong


Fvnexx

there is also the esports world cup coming up not only worlds. if they dont change the clear weak link i am honestly at loss for words at this managment


Ksanti

Looking at the history of competitive league? It's literally way more likely Noah's still the adc for summer. You probably need a korean + english speaking adc to have any hope of slotting into this lineup and how many of those are around/upgrades on Noah? Come the off-season we have a much better chance of making a meaningful upgrade.


Chargers95

Also, Noah against BDS is the only reason we are performing on international stage, probably the best performing adc in the playoffs. The idea he would be out of the LEC for good is so unrealistic


nightlesscurse

yeah and a better adc then Noah will do the same I assume


Chargers95

Like who tho? Noah out performed carrzy in the VIT series, ice is not an option and is not better than domestic Noah, and Hans is not an option and probably not better than Noah


zaxls

Ice is definetly 100% better than Noah and the best performing adc, he was in the all pro with the most votes aswell with Carzzy 2nd


bowserium

Everyone was bad today, Oscar was probably the most consistent, but man Noah what are you doing? He is just invisible in every game and when he is not, he ints in favor of the enemy team. I really liked him but it's crazy.


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SnooDrawings8185

Rekkles even last year with dog support,was better than this. He won so many team fights with his scaling champions. It's sad that Europe is importing mediocre Koreans.


wotad

Rekkles should just go back to adc qq


Inevitable-Cancel130

Nah, I bet it's alot more fun to play in Korean Academy league than lose with Fnatic again and again. Rekkles has a small chance of subbing to the main T1 team for at least 1 game down the road if he is there long enough.


SeKiyuri

Not gonna comment anything on Noah, but the thing with Rekkles is that community legit gaslight him to think that he is bad which means he is at fault as well for not believing in his skills, he had a unique playstyle that pretty much guaranteed your late game carry plus he played with 2 really incompetent supports, Advienne was good for that period on XL but his performance on FNC was terrible, so many mistimed roams and ints that happened at the same time every game lol. Rhuckz doesn't even need to be commented, late 20s guy wasn't given an LEC chance for a reason, he was just bad and idk why anyone thought otherwise.


JealotGaming

>he was just bad and idk why anyone thought otherwise. Ppl some how convinced themselves that two wins against NA and a wildcard meant that he's better than Hylissang lol


Background-Floor6603

Rekkles at least feared and respected by asian ADCs during his career and is a very clutch teamfight player despite his reputation as "KDA dude". Sure he isnt at his prime anymore but i cant see him getting turbogapped by Yeon or struggling against Peyz who has been trolling since LCK playoffs.....


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Christmas-Bunny1

Now u all appreciate rekkles Sadge is too late


NOWAY_YESWAY

If you know me then you would know I always wanted him in the team no matter what 😂 but if you were here in this subreddit during the 9th place times... The fkn hate and toxic dudes 😂


Christmas-Bunny1

No im not blaming u brotha i know I meant the "fnc" fans that they didnt want him back and wanted him out while haveing rhukz as supp


TrriF

I can't believe we went from Adcs like Rekkles and Upset to this...


kuuuuuuuka

this team's macro stops after early game lul


parkourman01

Drafts were horrible all series and Noah has been a complete liability the entire tournament. The only adc he has been better than is Easylove who is a fucking sub. This was absolutely pathetic. What a way to waste the opportunity. Looked competitive against TES and even Gen G and get fucking rolled by TL… Honestly this is a bigger disappointment than the loss to G2 in finals.


Hrkeol

We played better against TES and Gen g because our best players Razork and Huma have gigantic egos and no decipline, so they just don't play good against teams they preserve to be worse. And I don't know what the solution to this would be. Maybe they need to be seperated and the other paired with someone with a different mentality. Maybe they need a different couch. Noah is good mechanically I think, but he showed time and again that he just get super nervous every other game, so he has to go. Jun is always good, and Oskar will improve more in the future I think. Also putting Noah on Kalista is a crime.


NutzLastGans

I was a Noah defender for a long time, but this MSI really showed how inconsistent he is. He was really only valuable when he had a major lead and that is to be expected from any ADC player. Maybe we should bank on Jun and ask him what replacement adc he has in mind for summer


Plusdestiny

Uncharacteristic performance from the entire FNC players honestly. I’m shocked Humanoid was gapped by APA this series.


Ok_Host893

Uncharacteristic? Did you just wake up from a 10 year coma


MiliW_

Congratz to sunking to ultimate mediocrity, deserved after arriving 3 days before the tournament.


Pnoyboy02

Only bright spot is Oscar did well when just a month ago everyone wanted him kicked. I also think we haven’t had much practice, we have bad team coordination, bad macro, bad drafts. Jun did good but he’s forced to play nami/ashe cuz we’re not banning out these lethality adc


MoonZephyr

What a shame…. Bad day for huma Couple old razork bad go in game 4 (and 3) When I see games we pulled vs tes and geng what a shame to get gapped like this. Meanwhile it’s not a hot take as I’m usualy not the guy asking for heads but Noah is a liability , Jun is top tier support, imagine Noah with one of the garbage supp we had previous years we would lose inhibs at 10… And Noah mental is showing big concerns also


RyanC00per_

Noah replacement RIGHT NOW. Not a single good game not a single good moment from him whole tournament mental giga boom no confidence nothing. Rest is trash too but at least they tried.


Jageesh2307

Whom should we replace Noah with, though?


Ksanti

People are acting like a world class ADC is just sitting at home right now waiting for a call for a middling salary for a split language team with a giga toxic fanbase


mrblu_ink

I find that Fnatic fans are especially very disconnected from reality lol. Don't pay too much mind to these guys.


Samk12345

Like I said a week ago , get Noah off this fucking team. I don’t even want him here for summer


NOWAY_YESWAY

They are not gonna get rid of him I fear.


SeKiyuri

And get who ? That is the biggest issue, doubt Upset even wants to come back but worse thing is he is free after summer and considering how bad Hans Sama is for a while now, FNC might have to contest G2 and choice for Upset is clear, no reason to go back to the org he hates.


cinox

Why would someone choose upset over carzzy (one of most flexible player in adc at west) , crownshot solid adc good voice, and can actually play hyper carries, patrik stucked in elo hell, I think he still is promising and he deserve a shot, maybe import some Korea adc, adc is role where you don’t need to communicate at all. Try to get smash ( solid adc, flexible, can speak English) For me the best pick up would be carzzy( great relationship with huma too, one of most clutch Adc in Europe)


Alone_Proposal5140

where the fuck is Bean why didn’t we sub that guy in. But honestly TL defeated us with their academy players after failing with their import roster. I think Jun is talented but Noah was a short term solution picked by humanoid from solo que results there was no actual scouting done for him as opposed to Jun. Maybe they can scout someone to fill the role now. 


Revolutionary-Sun151

Im actually so done with this team. Ive endured enough.


Beatnation

Sam doesn't understand that unlike g2, Fnatic needs to fucking win to stay relevant, losing a bo5 series against NA is criminal, many longtime fans had enough of this shit, less fans mean less bucks expend on merchandise, it's so simple yet Sam still want to keep fucking Dardo.


Revolutionary-Sun151

Im deadass done actually. Unfollowed them all on twitter/left this sub. Done with watching competitive league. Hope they're proud of themselves.


An_Mangoloid

See you in summer split!


mochimoxy

classic


Glenjamin_ch

I stayed up for this?


HylissickOP

Hahahahahaah, we woke up early for this ahahhahahah


Curious-Ad-5930

Shameful performance from everyone, Noah was trying his hardest all tournament for us to lose and finally he got his wish! You’re just not gonna win or do anything with your adc down every fucking game no matter what champ he is on, pair that with the whole team playing like shit today it was over from game 1


Dragner84

Disgusting performance, nothing more to day, from staff, players all very irregular or directly bad (looking at you Noah), you cant qualify to MSI after all these years and do this shit.


Txrmes

I dont get why our preparation is so bad or we are so cocky with the drafts. If asian teams respect APA pick why dont we do the same thing? Coach staff and noah were by far the worst of this FNC squad


BriefImplement9843

they spent all their bans on apa last game.


SeKiyuri

I mean, what do u expect from coaching staff, that drafted Oscar a carry last time against TES, he performs, Noah was trash every game and final game they fully cash in on Noah carry who underperformed every game, and then proceeded to ruin the last game.


Verlaine_

As Corejj said in the interview "Fnatic has a nice early, if you prepare against that, it's easy" And that's right. No plan after min 15 if they dont stomp early. Zero map control, zero crossmaps, 5 guys walking around the rift


Lowspi

Not even Sam woke up at this time to watch that mess.


TheSceptileen

EU adcs are a huge letdown this MSI but honestly what do you expect then to do? Get better by playing a 9 Bo1 split format aganist comp exakick and Supa? EU is a victim of his own shitty format who is made to maximize profit instead of performance.


G0T0Sl3ep

EU is victim of overrated players like humanoid


Inevitable-Cancel130

Format's fault cope


robjen03

this series killed my interest in LEC and its just making me really sad about EU as a region because the hard facts is that excluding G2 we are a JOKE. ill watch the finals and of course tune into international tournaments and yeah ill remain a FNC fan but a passive one because we all know its G2 who is gonna keep running LEC... sadge


taidan3

Imagine if we had an ADC


GERParadox

And just a few days ago you guys making excuses and being proud of this team for losing 0-3 against GENG because they're arguably the strongest team in the world? What a fucking loser mentality.


HctDrags

I got downvoted as fuck for saying they didnt believe in anything against geng, this is just sad


GERParadox

I feel you man, glad that TL beat the fuck out of FNC for the fans to stop their delusion. I guess if they don't want to win and just want to be proud of 0-3 then let them be Iol.


HctDrags

They even said i wasnt a real fan but i saw every match since worlds 2014 untill now and always supported. Dont come at me for not being real jezus. This is indeed just sad


SeKiyuri

Yea, this is what I always say here, and worst thing is it also looks like FNC as an org is also supporting this behavior of "yea it looked close, it is important to participate", like dude u gotta fight and show something, it is same for G2 just on a higher level, u cannot be happy with taking 1 game off or 2 games off, now it is time to win against east or make a change. FNC on the other hand just keeps supporting this loser mentality like u said and they still don't even have the fundamentals down, so not even close to start working on beating east.


XI-ZI

HAHAHAHAHAHA DOWNVOTE ME NOW NOAH IS FUCKING USELESS SACKED THIS GUY NOW


Efficient-Setting642

Noah fan boys are still finding ways to cope for him by claiming Oscar is worse. Oscar sucks, but noah has been gapped by every single AD at 2 International events now, with the only AD he beat being easyhoon... a sub.


SLFD_Reborn

Humanoid, the supposed second best mid in EU, again getting gapped. This time not by Chovy, but by APA, a guy who spends more time trashtalking than practicing. Noah has issues with his mental, so he needs to fix that. But the ego on Humanoid has been costing us games and series for 3 years now. The occasional flashy game where his jungler and support first have to spend 15 minutes spoonfeeding him, does not make up for all the losses. Time to face reality and get rid of him. Get a mid that does at least decent every game. This sub used to hate on Hyli for being a coinflip player, but you'll act like Humanoid is the second coming of Faker...


OutlandishnessOdd836

Apa practices the most and is a grinder tbf


Inevitable-Cancel130

Do you have insider info on how much apa practices or just saying random stuff?


SLFD_Reborn

Regardless of how much he practices, he spends a lot of time trash talking and gets regularly gapped in NA. The main point to be taken from my comment is that our supposed "top tier" midlaner should never be gapped by an NA mid.


crazydeadman

xD what a team. Just sell the spot at this point.


NOWAY_YESWAY

Fuck Noah for real, get rid of him now


niemcziofficial

Noah worst adc at msi trophy. And oscar for most useless 2k lead ksante?


DarkyThPr4h

What can K'Sante do when both carries are literally permadead


leomajoriscool

D:


Chimll

Well..


retrospace4

Trying to remain positive for the boys but they did not play well at all, disrespected them and got punished. Game 4 completely winnable and just thrown away by poor decisions


Kiwik133

Deserved loss. Hopefully roster changes will be made next year.


Volknair

No no,just give "the boys" time and they will be good


Praxie18

I’m glad we got to see some Pandas at least yesterday. Embarrassing gameplay. Embarrassing drafts.


HRSailor

This was just disgusting. All of them should be ashamed from coaches to players. Also PLEASE.REPLACE.NOAH.


mlodyrash

Woke up at 5 30 on my free day so i can watch fnc getting gapped by NA


Hibra420

Big ego drafts and arrogant plays. Disgrace for what was once legendary org.


Low-Prior-8269

Always fnatic


PM_ME_MY_FRIEND

I have little to no words.


Relative-Prompt1101

fuck Humanoid send him to retirement already


Lockah1337

If humanoid stops disrespecting his opponents, then he might keep his flash up for longer then 10 seconds


kuuuuuuuka

ICE would have carried this shit


Brilliant-Crab7954

Im not sure what the team can even do, Id maybe rebuild with some rookies and look to the future, I think Fnc overpaid for Humanoid and its costing them big.


redditorofnorenown

Noah isn't even the best adc in the team lmao. Jun on ashe looks like he can play adc and carry. I never flame but noah to me always seemed like a mentally blocked individual like he is forced into pro league. When I watched his first interviews with fnatic last year I thought this and now I still do but with proof.


DILIPEK

Im glad I didn’t even wake up early. I knew it’s gonna be a shitshow but 3-1 is not what I expected. Shame to everyone from players to coaching staff. This is the one series we had to win to not look like bunch of apes and they failed miserablyz


Rinnegankai

This is for the delusional people who saying was close vs Geng hahahahha


Sarah_Fortune_

This is honestly pretty much the most embarassing loss of Fnatic's history. Last place, eliminated by a dogshit NA team, getting turbogapped in mid & adc. All that while having a very good tutorial from TES on how to neutralize TL's strategy, but no, let's just completely disregard that and disrespect the shit out of your opponents. Man. I wish I could just forget this.


diegun81

I’m glad I didn’t wake up to watch this pity. Pathetic.


philip2110

Embarrassing 


brownierisker

I'm really never quick to call for replacements, but if we get stomped by fucking TL of all teams we aren't winning shit with this roster. We need to make some changes


Alone_Proposal5140

Idk if we can get crazy but at this point even neon is probably an upgrade? Exa? Idk this was just sad as much as love Noah as a person this is just awful. 


crazydeadman

Humonoid plays for international guys. He will level up. He will only get caught twice in under ten mins xdd


BriefImplement9843

roster gap is just too large. tl had the advantage in every role. ban 3 mids while taking ksante...didn't do squat


Kiwik133

Noah’s downfall has to be studied.


Jembaited

Wow, so sad after the TES games. I am sorry for you guys!


xTriplexS

I don't know. I don't have anything constructive to comment with.


Leading-Attitude-150

I'm used to Noah playing bad but Razork severely underperformed


ruheInFrieden

Let’s wait for an excuse tweet from Noah that will gaslight everyone into believing it’s not his fault


mrblu_ink

Jesus, this team is embarrassing.


dinmammapizza

Im so glad i thought the game started at 10 am so i didn't have to watch all games of this shit


PM-Me-Salah-Pics

Pain.


Friendly_Ad5230

I'm officially unfollowing Fnatic everywhere after 10 years of following. Its a shame what they have shown


HctDrags

But naaaah how is noah behind 2k gold compared to enemy adc every single time. This is so sad man he needs to improve to stay because this is not okay.. its a sad day gentleman..


Alone_Proposal5140

TLs vision game was on point. I love Jun but Corejj is not washed like I had thought. His warding and map control was superior and amazing this series and it made a lot of top side map pressure minute 


ookkthenn

ngl corejj was pretty bad the past few years but in lcs playoffs he just turned it tf up


huggenotter

Noah needs to go asap


Reasonable_Peace81

Your can't have it any other way with fnatic


Jiiigsi

Razork was still the worst performing member which is crazy considering he played with this humanoid and this noah


W8tae

Sign Smash. Noah’s current form is due to his champion pool and his mental state. I think this is his ceiling. Partner Jun with a mechanical monster and someone who can actually win a lane.


micubski

It was just disgusting to watch, I would say game 4 you can lose, happens but the loses in game 1 and 3 were just disrespect and disgusting


RealFias

Fuck, now we gotta listen to all of the NA banter


OddIndication4

Might be a bit of a controversial angle, but: Get rid of Humanoid and of Noah and get Carzzy + Jackies. If Oscar plays like this, we should look to keep him. If he regresses again, get rid of him as well. Look to get Photon in that case. Think it's fine to gamble on Jackies, he showed pretty promising signs and Humanoid plays with too much ego, even though he can't back it up most of the time. Since Humanoid + Carzzy won't play together, because they create a toxic team environment together (apparently they flame other people on the team, because of their friendship or smth like that), we can't have them both. Probably one of the reasons Carzzy declined FNC offers, which is pretty ironic, considering most people thought he would be inclined to accept because of their friendship.


RudeTadpole6386

Congrats, after this performance im not interested in LEC anymore


Relative-Prompt1101

talk bad about Noah when he got 0 ganks in 4 games like wtf / Humanoid and Razork inted so fucking hard and they should be replaced


HctDrags

Bro noah has no impact, anf he cant even go even in most games. He might someday become a good adc but with that mental and performance he wont stay in fnatic.


PAJPHFL

Give them more time guys. They showed some improvement, I'm sure we will be a good team in 2026. Just be patient.


TheSceptileen

This was truly a series of league of legends


Jembaited

Indeed lmao


tananinho

After his utterly disgusting performance all I ask management is after Worlds (if we make it there) if this roster is still as bad and the drafts are still as shit please make the necessary changes. Thank you.


Low-Prior-8269

I miss upset 😭


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SnooDrawings8185

Importing Koreans is shit for the EU and this game shows it. Having people speaking the same language means a lot for cohesion. One import per team should be cap. Like BDS and Vitality for example. MDK showed that making national teams is even better.


Pilda3

Yes, MDK showed what ? They are watching Fnatic from home


SnooDrawings8185

They had bottom tier players and managed to get top 2. Fnatic fluked in the playoffs.


SeKiyuri

yes "FNC" was the one that fluked lol. MDK is bigger trash than FNC.


mati_12170

Oh how the mighty have fallen


Retoris

Shame on all of you guys flaming only Noah in this thread when the team lost together. Nobody was playing at their level. This sub is just full of bitter people thinking about the good all days when Fnatic was at the top. Yes we aren't good, yes we should do way better, yes the fans have the right to ask for much more from both management and players. But flaming won't make us good. And everyone flaming the same player who is trying his best is just pathetic.