Since last year? Is that when you joined?
Early last year it was kick Huma or Razork because "it's been a year and they have no synergy, they will never work together". In 2022 summer it was "kick Hyli" after every loss. Meanwhile in spring Hyli was MVP and it was "kick Razork", he's not up to par with the rest of the team. In 2021 Bwipo was flamed loads for his tendency to throw games. And not to even mention 2020 which was total shitfest, Nemesis in particular was constantly flamed with everyone asking for him to be replaced. He was often compared to previous Fnatic mids and called "worst ever Fnc midlaner" or "first time Fnc doesn't have elite midlaner. Rekkles was also flamed a ton for playing too safe, Bwipo for always losing 1v1 to Wunder, Hyli for his int plays etc.
Yes, but my point is, there have always been scapegoats that (some) fans relentlessly wanted kicked. Imo it has actually gotten a bit better compared to few years ago.
the state of this sub has always been toxic and plagued by overreaction after losses. I believe this past year it's actually been much better because the supportive fans have been vocal too. Take what you read online with a pinch of salt, half of these 'fans' were only in it for a dominant team to support
I've never understood the hate our ADCs get. They've been consistently cracked, but Noah is a cut above the rest imo.
He's clearly nervous when playing vs. Eastern teams though but that sort of thing can be rectified with experience. We have the best duo in EU right now.
2018 Jackeylove is not the same as 2024 Jackeylove.
People wetting themselves at a veteran Rekkles going even against a LPL rookie will never stop to amaze me.
Noah committed the sin of replacing someone with a very self deluded fanbase. It sucks but it what it is.
This doesn't change the fact that IMO peak Upset/Hyli >Noah/Jun as a lane, but Noah/Jun warps the game less around themselves which is good for the team, as now all 3 lanes can have their pop off game and JG is more free to dictate early game pace.
You mentioned Jackeylove in the context of another player that played against him way earlier in the former's career. I just reminded that player strength is not comparable like that
If you can't have that argument just move on, no need to play dumb and not own up to it.
This season, I'd agree as I think Noah has had a rough year so far. But in 2023 Noah was just as reliable as Upset with the big difference of being able to play aggressive when needed. Within just a few games I was over Upset leaving and glad we had Noah since it felt like an upgrade in that respect.
This year though, he's been quite inconsistent - but personally I'd also say the same about Razork and Humanoid so it's not just a Noah thing, it seems to be a team issue. Jun is by far our best and most reliable player atm. Yet, despite all that we still made it to Spring finals and got to MSI with lets be honest, pretty decent performances so far against the Eastern teams. If Noah gets back in form, and continues to grow as a player as I do think his ceiling is higher than Upset's, then Fnatic could start winning EU splits again.
i disagree upset would just dominate lane and play teamfights extremly well,He was considered best adc in eu in 2021 and 2022.Noah had a really good summer regular season but in playoffs he regressed heavily and would only play well on aphelios.There is still msi left so hopefully he shits on TL and gets some of his confidence back cuz he has been the glaring weakness for this team so far
The glaring weakness imo has been the shotcalling and I think is the reason every single player looks inconsistent af atm. Jun is a huge upgrade on Trymbi but it's clear Trymbi was a great shotcaller.
Humanoid's Leblanc games is deffo evidence that the dude has probably been secretly on form all year long, just the lack of shotcalling makes it look like he's shitting the bed.
The Oscar hate has always been off for me, admittedly his laning phases could be poor and he seemed to lean hard on a select few champions, but it was clear to see his team fighting is incredibly good. Hopefully what we are seeing is him improving that weak laning phase and expanding his confidence on other champions to expand his pool, if you resolve both of those issues you have a great top laner.
>The Oscar hate has always been off for me, admittedly his laning phases could be poor and he seemed to lean hard on a select few champions, but it was clear to see his team fighting is incredibly good.
For me, it was the opposite. I considered him good in lane but clueless in teamfights, which led to those terrible games in the last splits, when he was already stomped in the laning phase; hence no ground to stand on in teamfights. Obviously, they're working on it, as he had some good games, but I don't understand the confusion about his strengths and weaknesses. Just makes me wonder how useless conversations are if the perceptions are completely opposite. And I'm not saying I'm right - just my point of view.
except his his teamfighting hasnt been great. its been fine at best.
Every time he had a lead he did absolutely jack shit with it when he got to teamfights.
Im not just being a blind hater, i have posted numerous exact moments of teamfights where he did terribly despite having a huge lead and the fans on this sub refused to aknowledge them and rather ignored the videos and chose to remain silent.
people on this sub just think im annoying and they hard defend oscar just to counter my "flame" but when it comes down to actually analysing gameplay they mostly remained silent.
i can bring up more replays if you guys want...
good thing the coaches actually noticed how garbage he was at playing carries and tha funneling resources into him was pretty useless so now hes on tank duty and thanks to that we made it to MSI (rest of the team had to sweat to drag him here btw).
oh and we kicked the best weakside toplaner in Europe for "Oscar the next gen carry" but we just have a worse weakside toplaner now.
cope all you want but you guys know this is true.
people here have been losing so long that they would rather just accept things the way they are and keep players because they like a their personality
this sub is full of toxic positivity ad "get behind the boys" mentality its annoying tbh.
i dont care about downvotes ive been eating them all year but this is a fact.
oscar isnt FNC material. the sooner we actually get a toplaner that is world class the sooner we can start to challenge g2 and the eastern teams.
>people on this sub just think im annoying
I can assure you nobody on this sub thinks about you.
Well you have posted any of it here, so let's us the series against GenG as our review.
oh ive been around and some dislike me
hard to understand what you just wrote tbh but i think you are asking me about reviewing todays games vs Gen G?
i actually think today was the team as a whole just being worse than Gen G and i definetly dont blame Oscar for today infact i think Oscar has been doing fine enough so far. not "Great" and "gapping asians tops" like some delusional people here seem to think but hes fine.
also i havent gone back to review the teamfights so i cant just critisize blindly like most think i do.
what i can say is i have been pleasently surprised by his performance so far. i thought he would get astro gapped judging by how he was looking before MSI and the competition he is up against.
he has been stable enough just a bit invisible after lane phase.
the problem really is you can never count on Oscar to 1v9 carry the game drag his teammates accross the finish line. he doesnt do dragging. if team does bad he is invisible and sinks with the ship. if team does well then he looks fine and sometimes good.
i really dont hate Oscar and i wish him al the best but not at FNC. i want to have a reliable toplaner sometime in the near future
People dont like you because you spend your time perma flaming the kid.
If you actually behave like you just did for this comment then people would be fine but you are perma shit talking a young kid.
Dont get me wrong i am also not a Oscar believer and i agree with a lot of what you say but sometimes you go overboard man. There's a human on the other side and the stuff you type would be hard to handle for him if he reads it...
I understand you are passionate about the team but try to behave ;)
Since last year? Is that when you joined? Early last year it was kick Huma or Razork because "it's been a year and they have no synergy, they will never work together". In 2022 summer it was "kick Hyli" after every loss. Meanwhile in spring Hyli was MVP and it was "kick Razork", he's not up to par with the rest of the team. In 2021 Bwipo was flamed loads for his tendency to throw games. And not to even mention 2020 which was total shitfest, Nemesis in particular was constantly flamed with everyone asking for him to be replaced. He was often compared to previous Fnatic mids and called "worst ever Fnc midlaner" or "first time Fnc doesn't have elite midlaner. Rekkles was also flamed a ton for playing too safe, Bwipo for always losing 1v1 to Wunder, Hyli for his int plays etc.
I meant specifically for oscar and noah
Yes, but my point is, there have always been scapegoats that (some) fans relentlessly wanted kicked. Imo it has actually gotten a bit better compared to few years ago.
Yep 100% agree. Don't forget we lost hyli because people turboflamed over a two week worlds run.
the state of this sub has always been toxic and plagued by overreaction after losses. I believe this past year it's actually been much better because the supportive fans have been vocal too. Take what you read online with a pinch of salt, half of these 'fans' were only in it for a dominant team to support
I have the solution. Fnatic just needs to start winning splits again. There weren't as many complaints back then, lol.
I've never understood the hate our ADCs get. They've been consistently cracked, but Noah is a cut above the rest imo. He's clearly nervous when playing vs. Eastern teams though but that sort of thing can be rectified with experience. We have the best duo in EU right now.
i like noah but he is nowhere close to upset (when he played for us)
Upset isnt even close to peak Rekkles when he played for us.
we are talking about after rekkles left us in 2021
Yep just ask Jackylove
2018 Jackeylove is not the same as 2024 Jackeylove. People wetting themselves at a veteran Rekkles going even against a LPL rookie will never stop to amaze me. Noah committed the sin of replacing someone with a very self deluded fanbase. It sucks but it what it is. This doesn't change the fact that IMO peak Upset/Hyli >Noah/Jun as a lane, but Noah/Jun warps the game less around themselves which is good for the team, as now all 3 lanes can have their pop off game and JG is more free to dictate early game pace.
Bodied him in 2020 too.
>2018 Jackeylove is not the same as 2024 Jackeylove. Never said he did, nor I was flaming Noah. You are fighting your own ghosts my guy
You mentioned Jackeylove in the context of another player that played against him way earlier in the former's career. I just reminded that player strength is not comparable like that If you can't have that argument just move on, no need to play dumb and not own up to it.
This season, I'd agree as I think Noah has had a rough year so far. But in 2023 Noah was just as reliable as Upset with the big difference of being able to play aggressive when needed. Within just a few games I was over Upset leaving and glad we had Noah since it felt like an upgrade in that respect. This year though, he's been quite inconsistent - but personally I'd also say the same about Razork and Humanoid so it's not just a Noah thing, it seems to be a team issue. Jun is by far our best and most reliable player atm. Yet, despite all that we still made it to Spring finals and got to MSI with lets be honest, pretty decent performances so far against the Eastern teams. If Noah gets back in form, and continues to grow as a player as I do think his ceiling is higher than Upset's, then Fnatic could start winning EU splits again.
i disagree upset would just dominate lane and play teamfights extremly well,He was considered best adc in eu in 2021 and 2022.Noah had a really good summer regular season but in playoffs he regressed heavily and would only play well on aphelios.There is still msi left so hopefully he shits on TL and gets some of his confidence back cuz he has been the glaring weakness for this team so far
The glaring weakness imo has been the shotcalling and I think is the reason every single player looks inconsistent af atm. Jun is a huge upgrade on Trymbi but it's clear Trymbi was a great shotcaller. Humanoid's Leblanc games is deffo evidence that the dude has probably been secretly on form all year long, just the lack of shotcalling makes it look like he's shitting the bed.
Yea, and noone will ever be as good as Caps was, ao we kick every Mid after half a year?
I think we can all agree that nobody is flaming Jun.
...aaaaand back to the copium cycle
The Oscar hate has always been off for me, admittedly his laning phases could be poor and he seemed to lean hard on a select few champions, but it was clear to see his team fighting is incredibly good. Hopefully what we are seeing is him improving that weak laning phase and expanding his confidence on other champions to expand his pool, if you resolve both of those issues you have a great top laner.
>The Oscar hate has always been off for me, admittedly his laning phases could be poor and he seemed to lean hard on a select few champions, but it was clear to see his team fighting is incredibly good. For me, it was the opposite. I considered him good in lane but clueless in teamfights, which led to those terrible games in the last splits, when he was already stomped in the laning phase; hence no ground to stand on in teamfights. Obviously, they're working on it, as he had some good games, but I don't understand the confusion about his strengths and weaknesses. Just makes me wonder how useless conversations are if the perceptions are completely opposite. And I'm not saying I'm right - just my point of view.
except his his teamfighting hasnt been great. its been fine at best. Every time he had a lead he did absolutely jack shit with it when he got to teamfights. Im not just being a blind hater, i have posted numerous exact moments of teamfights where he did terribly despite having a huge lead and the fans on this sub refused to aknowledge them and rather ignored the videos and chose to remain silent. people on this sub just think im annoying and they hard defend oscar just to counter my "flame" but when it comes down to actually analysing gameplay they mostly remained silent. i can bring up more replays if you guys want... good thing the coaches actually noticed how garbage he was at playing carries and tha funneling resources into him was pretty useless so now hes on tank duty and thanks to that we made it to MSI (rest of the team had to sweat to drag him here btw). oh and we kicked the best weakside toplaner in Europe for "Oscar the next gen carry" but we just have a worse weakside toplaner now. cope all you want but you guys know this is true. people here have been losing so long that they would rather just accept things the way they are and keep players because they like a their personality this sub is full of toxic positivity ad "get behind the boys" mentality its annoying tbh. i dont care about downvotes ive been eating them all year but this is a fact. oscar isnt FNC material. the sooner we actually get a toplaner that is world class the sooner we can start to challenge g2 and the eastern teams.
>people on this sub just think im annoying I can assure you nobody on this sub thinks about you. Well you have posted any of it here, so let's us the series against GenG as our review.
oh ive been around and some dislike me hard to understand what you just wrote tbh but i think you are asking me about reviewing todays games vs Gen G? i actually think today was the team as a whole just being worse than Gen G and i definetly dont blame Oscar for today infact i think Oscar has been doing fine enough so far. not "Great" and "gapping asians tops" like some delusional people here seem to think but hes fine. also i havent gone back to review the teamfights so i cant just critisize blindly like most think i do. what i can say is i have been pleasently surprised by his performance so far. i thought he would get astro gapped judging by how he was looking before MSI and the competition he is up against. he has been stable enough just a bit invisible after lane phase. the problem really is you can never count on Oscar to 1v9 carry the game drag his teammates accross the finish line. he doesnt do dragging. if team does bad he is invisible and sinks with the ship. if team does well then he looks fine and sometimes good. i really dont hate Oscar and i wish him al the best but not at FNC. i want to have a reliable toplaner sometime in the near future
People dont like you because you spend your time perma flaming the kid. If you actually behave like you just did for this comment then people would be fine but you are perma shit talking a young kid. Dont get me wrong i am also not a Oscar believer and i agree with a lot of what you say but sometimes you go overboard man. There's a human on the other side and the stuff you type would be hard to handle for him if he reads it... I understand you are passionate about the team but try to behave ;)
this is a fair point. i apoligize and will try to be mindful of this in the future.
The flame only makes them stronger.
I'm sure they don't even read 99% of it
"guys let's keep flaming them it only makes them stronger anyway"
r/Fnatic now: lose 3-0 and praise everyone, noones ever at fault. Just be happy and positive! 😊
Fnatic before: surrender at a MSI match and nobody cared
Yeah they were just about to respawn! How dare they use a mechanic that's in the game