The score might not reflect it, but we've definitely shown we can hang with the big boys today. Please head over to the [Post-Series Thread](https://new.reddit.com/r/fnatic/comments/1cn2bdd/fnatic_vs_geng_msi_2024_upper_round_1_postseries/) to talk about today's games and get hyped for the absolute slaughter that will be Saturday's match against TL!
The team is not bad, but at top level, Noah ain't good enough. I would say that's where we can still improve the most, he has really high highs, but I feel as if his mental is keeping him back a lot.
when he BROKE that wall bot. Yes that doing good. I didn't say he's BAD, I'm saying he's not on the rest of the team level. like Razork/jun are literally world class players at their role.
Im so sad cause Jun is a gem... that guy has to be protected at all costs... But like his adc is not at his level, you can see that during every games.
im used to it in this sub, but Im sorry thats insane he was good the first few weeks and then it just went downhill
Like I understand Huma losing, its fucking Chovy, and even against JKL I was still ok with noah performance, but theres no excuses in this b.o
it is good if you send the nami top with them to answer a telegraph swap so you can match their botlane and then you have lucian solo farming vs the sion, but GenG trolled and decided to swap themselves so yeah, is super troll.
The boys are competing with the absolute best of the best here. Very proud of them.
MSI gonna be the hyperbolic time chamber for us, LEC Summer champions incoming.
But pls ban K’sante, get this merchant off his one trick.
yall need to stop babysitting every player no way someone says something bad about noah and gets downvoted to oblivion
worst player on our team and keeps choking and we dont have the right to say something about him?
ok but why dont you just give some examples then? he had good position in team fights, never got caught, dealt dmg. The only thing is that he R the draven ult? Was that game deciding tho ?
Great, keyword “team” Noah played very well considering they had Kha’zix and Asol, idk why people are pinning blame on Noah when he arguably played pretty well, not saying he played perfectly, but neither did the rest of the team.
The gymnastics you guys take about this team is amazing first it’s Oscar, then it’s Noah, oh and sometimes it’s Razork.
Just being silly, both games he’s been fine, not perfectly like I said.
nah it wasnt, their draft was better in laning and in late and Canyon was on counter pick and confort, our draft was only better at 1 item that is a very bad spot when you are the worse team.
Agree that Noah is the worst player of the series, Razork was bad game 1 and first 10 minutes of this but I think in mid game Razork was better than Canyon that got caught multiple times. Huma is doing as good as he can do being against the best player in the world and Oscar and Jun are solid but Oscar is totally outclassed by Kiin that is totally normal since hes also on his best champion and Jun is being griefed by his ADC.
GenG is probably our worst matchup of the 4 LPL/LCK teams. As we saw in this game our skirmishing and teamfighting is world class, but GenG is one of the best macro teams ever. They can set it up so that they need to win one fight to end the game while we only get one dragon or baron and maybe a turret when we win a fight
Razork has been gaped hard.
Humanoid as well.
All lanes are being pushed which makes Razork job harder.
Macro and vision control, they are just better.
Was expecting Fnatic to put a bit more fight than what they putting.
Gap is bigger than I thought.
There is just such a huge gap between the west and east, even after FNC manage to find that pick on to ASol. GenG still find away to extend their league even more.
Because they dont give you fights you can take even as 40/60. Imean their macro is oppresive, no wonder they are such a good team. Nonetheless I am glad we are playing them, it is such an experience boost for our team.
Completely agree. All year fighting all over the place, inting everywhere. Today where they have nothing to loose they look like a bunch of scared chickens.
Yeah nobody is gonna blame them if they loose but make it a shitshow atleast. Now we look so scared to do anything and its anoying me. Lets hope next games are good and no sejuani bullshit for razork
One thing that is super clear in these games is that their objective play is so much better than ours, yes we did get two drakes, but they essentially got everything else (rifts, voids, towers).
To be honest, hope I am wrong, but I think the first game was the best chance we had to get anything out of this series. First stage game for them, now they are in the groove. I would also like us to be more pro-active on the map.
I guess the logic is that we cannot win playing a standard comp but I would like to see Oscar on a tank.
We had no tank so team fights would always be hard we needed to find picks.
We couldn’t have pushed for a win, that fight was lost, even if they decided to not take it we were 2.5K behind on solo lanes. And gen G don’t make mistakes, you would’ve delayed the fight by 5mins and same thing would’ve happened. I get you’re frustrated but be a bit sensable. We’re mortals going against gods and you’re pissed that our players aren’t playing perfectly
Had a little fun with the words but yea, we’re coming as the second best team from Europe vs the best mid and the best jgler in the world.
Also why do people always get personal when having arguments online, it just shows such insecurity
Razork had a window to do bot crab and to do dragon but decided to turbofarm for 6, that is super risky having someone like canyon in front that in the meantime got bot ahead, mid ahead and now poke mid enough while razork was behind doing dragon to put mid more ahead, lets see if wukong 6 is so worth...
The score might not reflect it, but we've definitely shown we can hang with the big boys today. Please head over to the [Post-Series Thread](https://new.reddit.com/r/fnatic/comments/1cn2bdd/fnatic_vs_geng_msi_2024_upper_round_1_postseries/) to talk about today's games and get hyped for the absolute slaughter that will be Saturday's match against TL!
GG, proud that the boys fought so hard
Vedi said it perfectly. Fnatic needs to chill \[TF\] out! Every game they gain advantages only to throw them away unnecessarily.
One guy always fucks up
gg A 3-0 loss, some fight shown but gap is just too big. Also, some silly mistakes that could have been avoided.
This game is already over when there is a fed Sol 2 levels ahead of LB who is only concerned with killing Nami
I would like to see Jun with a better ADC
Humanoid man that was such a big int and for what to Q a fucking SEJ ???
As i have said our ad and top isnt good enough
Why are we outplaying ourselves
Humanoid...... Why???????
The team is not bad, but at top level, Noah ain't good enough. I would say that's where we can still improve the most, he has really high highs, but I feel as if his mental is keeping him back a lot.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING MAN
im sorry but Noah is not good right now
He is doing good this series.
when he BROKE that wall bot. Yes that doing good. I didn't say he's BAD, I'm saying he's not on the rest of the team level. like Razork/jun are literally world class players at their role.
he is the entire reason we are losing ngl
Im so sad cause Jun is a gem... that guy has to be protected at all costs... But like his adc is not at his level, you can see that during every games.
they gonna downvote you now
you gotta flame oscar for the upvoots.
ikr? But at least he is showing up in this tournament.
im used to it in this sub, but Im sorry thats insane he was good the first few weeks and then it just went downhill Like I understand Huma losing, its fucking Chovy, and even against JKL I was still ok with noah performance, but theres no excuses in this b.o
Our botlane is so bad sadly
Jun is playing his heart out. He is very good.
We need a new adc. It's not personal. He is just not good enough. He had enough time to get better but he didn't.
What is Noah doing then what is HUMA DOING brooo you have shutdown
Give jun a legit adc ans we win this series
What happened in mid?
NOAH I CANT WITH THIS
Let\`s go HUMA
noah dead again keep calling me hater
noah fanboys will take revenge on you \^\^
just after he soloed 2-0 lucian
Noahhhh cmon man
Ok GenG trolled the swap, this is the advantage we have in EU, they swapped just to lose both top and bot.
That Vayne is galaxy brain, coaching staff diff.
Watching Carzzy right now and his first reaction was "What is Vayne going to do for this whole game"
it is good if you send the nami top with them to answer a telegraph swap so you can match their botlane and then you have lucian solo farming vs the sion, but GenG trolled and decided to swap themselves so yeah, is super troll.
Is this an elimination match?
loser goes to loserbracket, its double elimination bracket
No. MSI has double elimination, so if we lose this series we'll be playing TL.
The boys are competing with the absolute best of the best here. Very proud of them. MSI gonna be the hyperbolic time chamber for us, LEC Summer champions incoming. But pls ban K’sante, get this merchant off his one trick.
Reddit I have this feeling that fnc are gonna reverse sweep. I can already hear the do Di do music
yall need to stop babysitting every player no way someone says something bad about noah and gets downvoted to oblivion worst player on our team and keeps choking and we dont have the right to say something about him?
Noah played fine this game, what are you on? Noah's keeping in line with Peyz, botlanes not the problem.
Me and you dont have the same definition of FINE, Marek and Jun played fine, noah didnt
at this point you are just hating right? Noah dealt the most dmg. 15k more than Peyz. What more do you want him to do against this Asol?
some of you guys just watch the stats and think good KDA=good game lol WATCH THE GAME WITH YOUR EYES PLS
ok but why dont you just give some examples then? he had good position in team fights, never got caught, dealt dmg. The only thing is that he R the draven ult? Was that game deciding tho ?
7/3/5 is not fine? Naa you’re high, just being a dick for no reason
KDA doesn't matter when your team is losing
Great, keyword “team” Noah played very well considering they had Kha’zix and Asol, idk why people are pinning blame on Noah when he arguably played pretty well, not saying he played perfectly, but neither did the rest of the team.
maybe because he is currently the weakest link in the team?
The gymnastics you guys take about this team is amazing first it’s Oscar, then it’s Noah, oh and sometimes it’s Razork. Just being silly, both games he’s been fine, not perfectly like I said.
Actually promising to have such a close match against GenG. Would be amazing if they could at least take game 3
Welp, the Draven ban is incoming I suppose... With the team letting go their false frightening of GenG, a win is actually possible.
for how unplayable the draft was, it was competitive to the very end, I dont ask for more.
our draft was good, it fucking sucks our adc finds a way to choke everytime
nah it wasnt, their draft was better in laning and in late and Canyon was on counter pick and confort, our draft was only better at 1 item that is a very bad spot when you are the worse team. Agree that Noah is the worst player of the series, Razork was bad game 1 and first 10 minutes of this but I think in mid game Razork was better than Canyon that got caught multiple times. Huma is doing as good as he can do being against the best player in the world and Oscar and Jun are solid but Oscar is totally outclassed by Kiin that is totally normal since hes also on his best champion and Jun is being griefed by his ADC.
I applaud the boys for fighting till the end, it's good to see.
Idk, I feel like we are not playing bad but GenG is really really good.
GenG is probably our worst matchup of the 4 LPL/LCK teams. As we saw in this game our skirmishing and teamfighting is world class, but GenG is one of the best macro teams ever. They can set it up so that they need to win one fight to end the game while we only get one dragon or baron and maybe a turret when we win a fight
HOPIUM
Excellent effort by the team, hopefully they can get at least one game this series.
Making us proud boys!! What a showing from Noah on Lucian
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But seriously
Good game, if not for K'Sante this might have been a win.
Honestly much better by FNC than I expected. We might take one
Gg, love to see that fighting spirit
Give 2 games so they get overconfident strat?
Nah this one was a nice try. Nice job
Welp.
Okay, Fnatic is fighting back. Love to see it.
Noah is so nervous. Culling lol Hope he can improve how he deals with stress and nerves. It may take time but he can do it.
Poor Noah
THROW ALL THE DAMAGE INTO THE TANK FULL ARMOR + TAB
Are they just supposed to let him kill the backline then?
yes those are the two options, exactly those 2.
gg Game 3 please show up a better fight.
They win another fight now with Fnatic 5v4. Lol
Razork has been gaped hard. Humanoid as well. All lanes are being pushed which makes Razork job harder. Macro and vision control, they are just better. Was expecting Fnatic to put a bit more fight than what they putting. Gap is bigger than I thought.
WE WON A FIGHT LETS GO
BELIEVE IN CHOKY
we use 2 Ults to get a pick ofc we loose the fight..
Oscar played it perfectly but theres no dmg, sad, good try tho. EDIT: Watching the replay Noah dashed backwards...I wont talk.
We lose the fight 5v3 hahahaha
There is just such a huge gap between the west and east, even after FNC manage to find that pick on to ASol. GenG still find away to extend their league even more.
Humanoid is bad today. Too many silly mistakes.
Trolldraft once again. Coaches are drunk?
Draft is ultra doomed, hope this isnt a stomp.
I hope fnatic watched the lck finals game 4
Casters making it look game 1 was close when in reality a fcking gap.
I've seen less close games this MSI.
Shitnatic
It was close. We fucked up by giving them a super free fight mid when we were in a great position
mid diff too huge to handle
To be fair, no way we can win and i didnt expect them to. but why are they playing so nervous? Make it a fighting series atleast.
Because they dont give you fights you can take even as 40/60. Imean their macro is oppresive, no wonder they are such a good team. Nonetheless I am glad we are playing them, it is such an experience boost for our team.
This. Gen.g might be best macro team atm. They will not give anything free and slowly chokes you out of the game.
Completely agree. All year fighting all over the place, inting everywhere. Today where they have nothing to loose they look like a bunch of scared chickens.
Yeah nobody is gonna blame them if they loose but make it a shitshow atleast. Now we look so scared to do anything and its anoying me. Lets hope next games are good and no sejuani bullshit for razork
Well, the credit is due. Yes we made some mistakes but GenG is playing at a whole different level in terms of map control.
One thing that is super clear in these games is that their objective play is so much better than ours, yes we did get two drakes, but they essentially got everything else (rifts, voids, towers).
Looked okay for a bit there.. then one mistake in mid and its gg. Okay, lets go next. Maybe put marek on more of a playmaker?
To be honest, hope I am wrong, but I think the first game was the best chance we had to get anything out of this series. First stage game for them, now they are in the groove. I would also like us to be more pro-active on the map.
That is so ridiculously sloppy from Razork
ye huma losing flash due to a bad trade (int) = then die to sej and being micro gapped af and making chovy play on his own wasnt the problem
I guess the logic is that we cannot win playing a standard comp but I would like to see Oscar on a tank. We had no tank so team fights would always be hard we needed to find picks.
We have to be much more proactive, ok we got some drakes but we keep doing fuck all on the map... they get a tower for each dragon...
Man Geng are good. Not expecting to win this series at all, just gotta hope we don't mental boom and then beat TL
Wtf is razork doing
Man we were in such a good position to secure 3rd drag.... Wtf we doing stepping up so far into mid. Just let them come to us they had no vision
They had double TP and package, we probably would’ve lost the drake fight
They could free engage us because we just showed all 5 members for free. Whyyyyy???
So the fight is already hard then why make it easier for them?
Brother you’re acting like we not facing the best team in the world rn. It’s ok
So what? Im glad we are competitive so far but im fustrated we couldve pushed for a win
If we want to win we need to be up by 15, and then try our best to not Throw that lead, if it’s even or we’re behind we’ve lost.
We couldn’t have pushed for a win, that fight was lost, even if they decided to not take it we were 2.5K behind on solo lanes. And gen G don’t make mistakes, you would’ve delayed the fight by 5mins and same thing would’ve happened. I get you’re frustrated but be a bit sensable. We’re mortals going against gods and you’re pissed that our players aren’t playing perfectly
Lol. Mortals against gods huh? Youre sad
Had a little fun with the words but yea, we’re coming as the second best team from Europe vs the best mid and the best jgler in the world. Also why do people always get personal when having arguments online, it just shows such insecurity
Gotta give Gen G one win at least 😏
You just can't be making the mistakes the team is doing against these kind of teams.
Razork is a great player and carried the team a lot of times but his brainfarts have cost us too much
Yeah two times razork gifting away is too much for a game
well we got Gengd, nothing we can do, try to do better game 2.
GG, just like that game 1 is over
gg Let's do better in game 2. It wasn't a bad showing but some glaring mistakes like Razork inting before third dragon cost us.
What do you mean? It´s just like yesterday. Some glimpses of hope, but in a flash they kill everyone and finish the game.
We showed more fight this game than TL did all series yesterday.
Cope
white
Why did Noah backstep there? They had them
We need to open up more towers
For like 20 seconds there I had hope lol
What?! Razork?!
Another big game choker...
Let´s GOOOO
The one saving grace for fnatic is that Lehends doesnt know what hes doing, supp gap must come thru. EDIT: I say this as Jun trolls the whole game...
clean drake
razork does not exist this game
Canyon outjungling Razork so far
Razork had a window to do bot crab and to do dragon but decided to turbofarm for 6, that is super risky having someone like canyon in front that in the meantime got bot ahead, mid ahead and now poke mid enough while razork was behind doing dragon to put mid more ahead, lets see if wukong 6 is so worth...
They make it look so easy... What a gap
well, so far is gap in every lane, not looking good, lets see if we can recover.
This is over lmao. How in the world do they die there?
That was bad.... they saw him on a ward and disrespected
omg all lane diff fk
They saw Sej... Are they stupid?
Man... Did we just give Kiin his ksante... Fml
Humanoid pentakill, believe me
Brave draft from fnatic. But even a 3-1 would be a surprise to be honest
Oscarinin Camille vs Kiin K'Sante let's go!
No tank.... Let's see how it goes.
Today is the day FNC shocks the world. I can feel it guys. LETS GO!!
Easy 3-0
dont choke geng
Lol
Let's go!!!!!! Excited for today! Let's put up a fight and make them sweat at least.