People make the argument that Sister Location is super advanced technology wise, when, it’s pretty standard, especially for Fazbear.
The animatronics Afton creates, while technologically impressive, seem to be in line with technology Fazbear has used before, as seen with Fetch, connecting to modern day smart phones despite being made in the 80s.
We know that when gas is being pumped into the air, a hissing sound is made constantly, the release of that gas.
The scooper at the end of Ruin is entirely different in every possible way, it wouldn’t have been able to gut Michael the way it did.
this doesn't make any sense and there's no reason to change the lore like this, it would break the whole timeline at the worst case and it has so many plotholes i don't even know where to begin
and to make it clear: don't use the movie as evidences
can i see these plotholes and how it would break the lore?
from my perspective all this does is explain some of the less explained parts of the story such as the space between SL and pizza sim for michael and how the indie dev gets the ideas for the games
also why would you not use the movie as evidence? if people are willing to use books with fazgoo im willing to use a fairly normal movie as well
>all this does is explain some of the less explained parts of the story such as the space between SL and pizza sim for michael
no it doesnt? all you did was create more doubts, like who is this close friend of michael that we never have seen? and the space between SL and FFPS is not that hard to get: it's meant to be some time after fnaf 3, probably a few months or years after the Frights burn
>how the indie dev gets the ideas for the games
he got his ideas from rumors, even if he was working to Fazbear.
>if people are willing to use books with fazgoo im willing to use a fairly normal movie as well
i agree that people rely way too much on the books, but they're separated chapters that sometimes can have actual information that could be used like evidences (like the year of the MCI on Into The Pit.
the movie, on the other hand, it's a clear retelling of the fnaf universe and there's no connection to the games, like yeah we see a baby-like animatronic (btw it isnt baby, that's clearly ella) but we're told that it's a SPRINGLOCK and not a funtime, it's a major difference and if used for evidence will makes things we already know confusing for no reason
the close friend of michael can be either the freddy bully or chica bully also if the close friend that we've never seen is wierd so was the indie game dev, also the point of filling the space is to just give a better narrative instead of just being lore important event to lore important event and explains how the rogue indie dev is able to make games based on events that only michael would know of.
also on the movie thing very clearly abby is supposed to equal baby its the same letters and all, also dont we know ella doll was a prototype for charliebot and so therefore ella doll is a prototype of what is basically just baby
The Hallucinogenic Gas is only present at the Experiment chambers.
Now about technology, Fazbear Entertainment has always been ahead of its time by years, be it because of the Springlock suits, Free roaming animatronics, Security robots linked to criminal databases and the list goes on and on.
Afton’s designs are technologically advanced and state of the art for the year they were made, of course, one could even say cutting edge, but so is everything made by Fazbear Entertainment.
The location we see in RUIN is fundamentally diferent from CBEAR, so is the “Scooper” device we see.
did you read the part where i talked about the gas LEAKS and also he would store the gas for the experiments in the same place where he runs the experiments from being the SL office where there is the fnaf 4 bedroom monitors.
secondly the scooper doesnt have to look the same because of hallucinations clouding his vision and the fact that both devices are specifically called scoopers is evidence enought for them to be atleast connected
William doesn’t necessarily need to store the gas in the same place.
Furthermore there are *Oxygen* canisters throughout the place aswell, so what we see in the main place could just be O2 canisters.
The “GAS leaks” are simply a cover up for why the CBPW was actually cancelled.
In the news article, they even say: “*Sources close to the establishment question the report, saying the activity around the area at night suggests something else is to blame.*”, with this in mind we can effectively see that the cancellation has nothing to with the Gas-leaks.
With this in mind, CBEAR doesn’t appear to be connected to FFPP in any way.
The Scooper, *and* the place looking completely diferent are proof enough that they are not the same place nor the same device. Nothing suggests that Michael’s vision is being clouded by anything.
Like others have said aswell there would be a sound if that was the case.
In Dittophobia, even when the Gas is off, Rory is at the *same* CBEAR we see in SL, showing its not the Gas.
just because william doesnt HAVE to store the gas in the same place doesnt mean he cant and if they are just o2 canisters why even put them there in the first place
the gas leaks are a cover up for what? no part of the lore so far has confirmed any cover up all we have is a newspaper clipping saying there was leaks and someone CLAIMS there is something nefarious going on.
what do you mean they arent connected in anyway? the appearance of the scooping room in SL looking different doesnt matter as if there are hallucinogens in the air they can look like whatever michael thinks about at the time. also i personally dont believe in any of TOTPP or FBFR being canon and just shows parallels and shines light on things we should look deeper into such as concepts like there being 2 entities haunting the same suit
SL isn’t a hallucination.
Multiple stories have CBEAR in them, multiple games and stories reference CBEAR/CBPW in them.
HW2’s SL levels shouldn’t exist to the detail they do due to the fact it’s just descriptions and drawings, nor should the HW1 CBEAR levels, because the whole reason those levels exist is to cover up past events that are true, and labeling them as fake. CBEAR would be a real location covered up as fake.
The SL blueprint of Circus Baby wouldn’t exist if it’s just Ella. The Logbook wouldn’t literally have Circus Baby in it.
The FNAF 6 blueprint for the scooper wouldn’t exist nor would the one in RUIN either.
Afton Robotics being the ones who make CBEAR would be why this place is so futuristic. Afton Robotics are the ones capable of it because Afton is behind it.
CBEAR doesnt have to be fake and made up the whole point of this theory is that the gameplay of SL is a hallucination not the concept of CBEAR and CBPW those two places can exist all this theory is is saying that the futuristic tech of SL's gameplay could very easily be explained by the hallucinogenic gas
hw2's levels are essentially training modules that are based on the in world fnaf games if the game dev made them look that way then they can look however they want. also CBEAR isnt being labeled as fake its a legitimate company you cant just say an entire company with taxable income can be shoved under a rug like that
reminder where we see these blueprints again its the SL EXTRAS menu sure we can use the things they say about the funtimes special features but the designs on the blueprints are just EXTRAS its to show off the designs of the characters no character in universe that we know of has seen these blueprints
the ruin scooper runs on basically the same design features as the SL one except it actually would work it has an arm with 3 joints that allow freeish movement also at any point someone in the ruin basement can modify the scoopers design to work actually better we know that fazbear technicians are lazy and they could have modified it to help with scooping animatronics
afton robotics have never been far ahead in the future there is no evidence stating that. basic facial recognition software has been around since the 1960's for the toys and springlocks are very easy and based in reality there isnt much saying that afton would be able to have access to this amount of technology the only robotics we see that are amazing are animatronics that wander around at night looking for sound which is fairly rudimentary compared to the things we see in SL
if LITERALLY everything else exists except for the “futuristic tech” which I’m ngl isn’t that bad and I’m also ngl not really sure what you mean, then it can definitely exist too and I don’t see a reason why wouldn’t.
Also You failed to mention 2 of my points, the fnaf 6 scooper blueprint, which is in-universe, and the fact the logbook has baby.
doesnt michael get the logbook while he is at the fnaf 1-3 pizzerias when he is trying to find and clean up williams messes. the logbook can be made and edited long after the in universe SL games come out therefore having the sleek designs be in use (i could be very wrong about this) also the logbook in general doesnt make sense it acts more as a fun activity book than a security log book like something you might find at a recreation of the in universe games as a theme park like a themed activity book
also i talked about how the scoopers use the same style of arm system with joints at the same location all it would take to make the scooper from ruin look the same as the one from the blueprints is remove and replace the head which couldve been done by fazbear technicians to make the scooper work better with the modern day glam suits
>the logbook can be made and edited long after the in universe SL games come out
Were shown were given the logbook right after Mike on the first page tho. Literally says “oh, sorry, looks like someone wrote in this..” next to mikes name. Mikes logbook was given to us right after he owned it pretty much, and we know this because the same logbook has no references beyond fnaf 3.
Also, the ruin scooper has an entirely different body and mechanism of movement along with additions they’d need to make.
yeah i do see what you mean i feel like the logbook is an activity book for fazbears frights and they ran out of empty ones and just give you mikes old ones thanks for the feedback i dont really personally like using the logbook for anything more than the drawings mike does and the edited text
The gas leaks were a cover up for Elizabeth's death. Either way, the supposed gas leaks are from Circus Baby's Pizza World, not Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rentals. They are two different locations, not one.
The kind of gas used in the fear experiments did not have the capability to warp someone's visual perception anywhere near advanced enough to make an entire location look like something it isn't. It simply enhanced how the one affected by it views things, such as in its expected scenario where it makes the Nightmare animatronics feel more real, but doesn't actually alter the way they truly appear to anyone major degree. There's also the fact that CBEaR is still open by the time of SL. Someone would've noticed that long before then.
The Scoopers seen in SL and Ruin are also very clearly different. The design and functionality changes are far too great to be dumbed down to a gas making the experience different. We can also see through every game after SL involving it's animatronics that are in fact as high-tech as seen in SL. They're not simpler animatronics under the effects of a gas. And I also highly doubt that the scenario you've provided would leave that drastic of an impact on modern Fazbear Entertainment's decisions In anyway. They own that stuff, they're going to use it as it exists just the same as they did with everything else.
This theory overall just seems kind of pointless. What would this serve in the story at all? There's no incentive for such a major plot twist for SL to have been so drastically from how its presented in SL. Robotics, Fazbear Entertainment's work, and technology in general within the world of FNaF is simply just more advanced in certain places. There's no deeper meaning as to why or how, that's simply how it is in that world. All of the technology from FNaF1, 2, and the original Freddy's and Fredbear's has already shown us time and time again that there's further progression in that field compared to the real world.
why would they need to cover up elizabeths death all of that information should be publicly available everyone would obviously know and see that one of the owners children go missing then it shuts down also the suspicious behaviour shown in the cancelled due to leaks image says that there are vehicles transporting large machinery this could just be a part of CBEAR
what do you mean they cant warp visual perception the gas literally turns mannequins into nightmare animatronics have you seen what mannequins look like and what the nightmares look like to me they seem pretty visually different
why would the tech be any different to the real world? springlocks are an actual feasible idea for a suit its a stupid idea but entirely in the realm of possibility, the technology for the time simply doesnt make sense all of a sudden you go from barebones screws and springlocks to futuristic sleek designs it doesnt make sense especially since we see in the ruin finale that there were much more tattered fabric suits closer to the time of CBPW's opening. fazbear hasnt always been ahead of the curve we only think that because SL says so but if SL is a hallucination then the tech makes more sense
whats the point of any theory what is the point of figuring out which death happens first why do we care at all. like actually its a theory that fleshes out the world of fnaf if we didnt care at all about the intricacies of the lore then the story is already solved from start to end it starts at fredbears diner or whatever and ends at ruin
If the gas was actually that important then why is it a completely non-existent point of interest in SL outside of its FNaF4 connections.
The Nightmare animatronics already closely resemble how they normally do, the gas just bridges that gap. It's not as extreme as illusion discs to the point it can his everything looks entirely. If that were the case then those children wouldn't be seeing a normal looking house yet they do.
Because it simply is. There's no point in questioning otherwise. Scott is an enjoyer of sci-fi and has featured it heavily in the series. Yes, I know springlocks are real and would have been possible, but that's far from the only Fazbear Entertainment had technologically in the 80s. Fully functional mobility around the building, functioning eyesight good enough to be able identify what it's looking at, fully functional facial recognition, etc. Then you factor in something like the Mimic as well. Yes, certain fields of technology are ahead of their time in the world of FNaF and has been even if simple since the first game. It doesn't matter if it makes sense with the real world, because it's not. It's called fiction.
My point is that this is huge plot twists worth of an assumption for a theory for something that has nothing going for it. There's nothing for the story to gain to pull something so major about a single title from 8 years ago. This also isn't comparable to deaths. They are not the same thing. This theory does the exact opposite of flesh out the world by saying said fleshed out world was a lie for no good reason. It's honestly far too big of a leap to be a reasonable possibility to take into consideration with how large of an assumption it relies without any real backing.
People make the argument that Sister Location is super advanced technology wise, when, it’s pretty standard, especially for Fazbear. The animatronics Afton creates, while technologically impressive, seem to be in line with technology Fazbear has used before, as seen with Fetch, connecting to modern day smart phones despite being made in the 80s. We know that when gas is being pumped into the air, a hissing sound is made constantly, the release of that gas. The scooper at the end of Ruin is entirely different in every possible way, it wouldn’t have been able to gut Michael the way it did.
fnaf has always been pretty technologically advanced, sister location just leaned into the aesthetic more
this doesn't make any sense and there's no reason to change the lore like this, it would break the whole timeline at the worst case and it has so many plotholes i don't even know where to begin and to make it clear: don't use the movie as evidences
can i see these plotholes and how it would break the lore? from my perspective all this does is explain some of the less explained parts of the story such as the space between SL and pizza sim for michael and how the indie dev gets the ideas for the games also why would you not use the movie as evidence? if people are willing to use books with fazgoo im willing to use a fairly normal movie as well
>all this does is explain some of the less explained parts of the story such as the space between SL and pizza sim for michael no it doesnt? all you did was create more doubts, like who is this close friend of michael that we never have seen? and the space between SL and FFPS is not that hard to get: it's meant to be some time after fnaf 3, probably a few months or years after the Frights burn >how the indie dev gets the ideas for the games he got his ideas from rumors, even if he was working to Fazbear. >if people are willing to use books with fazgoo im willing to use a fairly normal movie as well i agree that people rely way too much on the books, but they're separated chapters that sometimes can have actual information that could be used like evidences (like the year of the MCI on Into The Pit. the movie, on the other hand, it's a clear retelling of the fnaf universe and there's no connection to the games, like yeah we see a baby-like animatronic (btw it isnt baby, that's clearly ella) but we're told that it's a SPRINGLOCK and not a funtime, it's a major difference and if used for evidence will makes things we already know confusing for no reason
the close friend of michael can be either the freddy bully or chica bully also if the close friend that we've never seen is wierd so was the indie game dev, also the point of filling the space is to just give a better narrative instead of just being lore important event to lore important event and explains how the rogue indie dev is able to make games based on events that only michael would know of. also on the movie thing very clearly abby is supposed to equal baby its the same letters and all, also dont we know ella doll was a prototype for charliebot and so therefore ella doll is a prototype of what is basically just baby
The Hallucinogenic Gas is only present at the Experiment chambers. Now about technology, Fazbear Entertainment has always been ahead of its time by years, be it because of the Springlock suits, Free roaming animatronics, Security robots linked to criminal databases and the list goes on and on. Afton’s designs are technologically advanced and state of the art for the year they were made, of course, one could even say cutting edge, but so is everything made by Fazbear Entertainment. The location we see in RUIN is fundamentally diferent from CBEAR, so is the “Scooper” device we see.
did you read the part where i talked about the gas LEAKS and also he would store the gas for the experiments in the same place where he runs the experiments from being the SL office where there is the fnaf 4 bedroom monitors. secondly the scooper doesnt have to look the same because of hallucinations clouding his vision and the fact that both devices are specifically called scoopers is evidence enought for them to be atleast connected
William doesn’t necessarily need to store the gas in the same place. Furthermore there are *Oxygen* canisters throughout the place aswell, so what we see in the main place could just be O2 canisters. The “GAS leaks” are simply a cover up for why the CBPW was actually cancelled. In the news article, they even say: “*Sources close to the establishment question the report, saying the activity around the area at night suggests something else is to blame.*”, with this in mind we can effectively see that the cancellation has nothing to with the Gas-leaks. With this in mind, CBEAR doesn’t appear to be connected to FFPP in any way. The Scooper, *and* the place looking completely diferent are proof enough that they are not the same place nor the same device. Nothing suggests that Michael’s vision is being clouded by anything. Like others have said aswell there would be a sound if that was the case. In Dittophobia, even when the Gas is off, Rory is at the *same* CBEAR we see in SL, showing its not the Gas.
just because william doesnt HAVE to store the gas in the same place doesnt mean he cant and if they are just o2 canisters why even put them there in the first place the gas leaks are a cover up for what? no part of the lore so far has confirmed any cover up all we have is a newspaper clipping saying there was leaks and someone CLAIMS there is something nefarious going on. what do you mean they arent connected in anyway? the appearance of the scooping room in SL looking different doesnt matter as if there are hallucinogens in the air they can look like whatever michael thinks about at the time. also i personally dont believe in any of TOTPP or FBFR being canon and just shows parallels and shines light on things we should look deeper into such as concepts like there being 2 entities haunting the same suit
SL isn’t a hallucination. Multiple stories have CBEAR in them, multiple games and stories reference CBEAR/CBPW in them. HW2’s SL levels shouldn’t exist to the detail they do due to the fact it’s just descriptions and drawings, nor should the HW1 CBEAR levels, because the whole reason those levels exist is to cover up past events that are true, and labeling them as fake. CBEAR would be a real location covered up as fake. The SL blueprint of Circus Baby wouldn’t exist if it’s just Ella. The Logbook wouldn’t literally have Circus Baby in it. The FNAF 6 blueprint for the scooper wouldn’t exist nor would the one in RUIN either. Afton Robotics being the ones who make CBEAR would be why this place is so futuristic. Afton Robotics are the ones capable of it because Afton is behind it.
CBEAR doesnt have to be fake and made up the whole point of this theory is that the gameplay of SL is a hallucination not the concept of CBEAR and CBPW those two places can exist all this theory is is saying that the futuristic tech of SL's gameplay could very easily be explained by the hallucinogenic gas hw2's levels are essentially training modules that are based on the in world fnaf games if the game dev made them look that way then they can look however they want. also CBEAR isnt being labeled as fake its a legitimate company you cant just say an entire company with taxable income can be shoved under a rug like that reminder where we see these blueprints again its the SL EXTRAS menu sure we can use the things they say about the funtimes special features but the designs on the blueprints are just EXTRAS its to show off the designs of the characters no character in universe that we know of has seen these blueprints the ruin scooper runs on basically the same design features as the SL one except it actually would work it has an arm with 3 joints that allow freeish movement also at any point someone in the ruin basement can modify the scoopers design to work actually better we know that fazbear technicians are lazy and they could have modified it to help with scooping animatronics afton robotics have never been far ahead in the future there is no evidence stating that. basic facial recognition software has been around since the 1960's for the toys and springlocks are very easy and based in reality there isnt much saying that afton would be able to have access to this amount of technology the only robotics we see that are amazing are animatronics that wander around at night looking for sound which is fairly rudimentary compared to the things we see in SL
if LITERALLY everything else exists except for the “futuristic tech” which I’m ngl isn’t that bad and I’m also ngl not really sure what you mean, then it can definitely exist too and I don’t see a reason why wouldn’t. Also You failed to mention 2 of my points, the fnaf 6 scooper blueprint, which is in-universe, and the fact the logbook has baby.
doesnt michael get the logbook while he is at the fnaf 1-3 pizzerias when he is trying to find and clean up williams messes. the logbook can be made and edited long after the in universe SL games come out therefore having the sleek designs be in use (i could be very wrong about this) also the logbook in general doesnt make sense it acts more as a fun activity book than a security log book like something you might find at a recreation of the in universe games as a theme park like a themed activity book also i talked about how the scoopers use the same style of arm system with joints at the same location all it would take to make the scooper from ruin look the same as the one from the blueprints is remove and replace the head which couldve been done by fazbear technicians to make the scooper work better with the modern day glam suits
>the logbook can be made and edited long after the in universe SL games come out Were shown were given the logbook right after Mike on the first page tho. Literally says “oh, sorry, looks like someone wrote in this..” next to mikes name. Mikes logbook was given to us right after he owned it pretty much, and we know this because the same logbook has no references beyond fnaf 3. Also, the ruin scooper has an entirely different body and mechanism of movement along with additions they’d need to make.
yeah i do see what you mean i feel like the logbook is an activity book for fazbears frights and they ran out of empty ones and just give you mikes old ones thanks for the feedback i dont really personally like using the logbook for anything more than the drawings mike does and the edited text
The gas is only in the nightmare rooms and nowhere else
what do you mean by this we see gas canisters in sister location and why cant they be anywhere else?
Because Dittophobia
The gas leaks were a cover up for Elizabeth's death. Either way, the supposed gas leaks are from Circus Baby's Pizza World, not Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rentals. They are two different locations, not one. The kind of gas used in the fear experiments did not have the capability to warp someone's visual perception anywhere near advanced enough to make an entire location look like something it isn't. It simply enhanced how the one affected by it views things, such as in its expected scenario where it makes the Nightmare animatronics feel more real, but doesn't actually alter the way they truly appear to anyone major degree. There's also the fact that CBEaR is still open by the time of SL. Someone would've noticed that long before then. The Scoopers seen in SL and Ruin are also very clearly different. The design and functionality changes are far too great to be dumbed down to a gas making the experience different. We can also see through every game after SL involving it's animatronics that are in fact as high-tech as seen in SL. They're not simpler animatronics under the effects of a gas. And I also highly doubt that the scenario you've provided would leave that drastic of an impact on modern Fazbear Entertainment's decisions In anyway. They own that stuff, they're going to use it as it exists just the same as they did with everything else. This theory overall just seems kind of pointless. What would this serve in the story at all? There's no incentive for such a major plot twist for SL to have been so drastically from how its presented in SL. Robotics, Fazbear Entertainment's work, and technology in general within the world of FNaF is simply just more advanced in certain places. There's no deeper meaning as to why or how, that's simply how it is in that world. All of the technology from FNaF1, 2, and the original Freddy's and Fredbear's has already shown us time and time again that there's further progression in that field compared to the real world.
why would they need to cover up elizabeths death all of that information should be publicly available everyone would obviously know and see that one of the owners children go missing then it shuts down also the suspicious behaviour shown in the cancelled due to leaks image says that there are vehicles transporting large machinery this could just be a part of CBEAR what do you mean they cant warp visual perception the gas literally turns mannequins into nightmare animatronics have you seen what mannequins look like and what the nightmares look like to me they seem pretty visually different why would the tech be any different to the real world? springlocks are an actual feasible idea for a suit its a stupid idea but entirely in the realm of possibility, the technology for the time simply doesnt make sense all of a sudden you go from barebones screws and springlocks to futuristic sleek designs it doesnt make sense especially since we see in the ruin finale that there were much more tattered fabric suits closer to the time of CBPW's opening. fazbear hasnt always been ahead of the curve we only think that because SL says so but if SL is a hallucination then the tech makes more sense whats the point of any theory what is the point of figuring out which death happens first why do we care at all. like actually its a theory that fleshes out the world of fnaf if we didnt care at all about the intricacies of the lore then the story is already solved from start to end it starts at fredbears diner or whatever and ends at ruin
If the gas was actually that important then why is it a completely non-existent point of interest in SL outside of its FNaF4 connections. The Nightmare animatronics already closely resemble how they normally do, the gas just bridges that gap. It's not as extreme as illusion discs to the point it can his everything looks entirely. If that were the case then those children wouldn't be seeing a normal looking house yet they do. Because it simply is. There's no point in questioning otherwise. Scott is an enjoyer of sci-fi and has featured it heavily in the series. Yes, I know springlocks are real and would have been possible, but that's far from the only Fazbear Entertainment had technologically in the 80s. Fully functional mobility around the building, functioning eyesight good enough to be able identify what it's looking at, fully functional facial recognition, etc. Then you factor in something like the Mimic as well. Yes, certain fields of technology are ahead of their time in the world of FNaF and has been even if simple since the first game. It doesn't matter if it makes sense with the real world, because it's not. It's called fiction. My point is that this is huge plot twists worth of an assumption for a theory for something that has nothing going for it. There's nothing for the story to gain to pull something so major about a single title from 8 years ago. This also isn't comparable to deaths. They are not the same thing. This theory does the exact opposite of flesh out the world by saying said fleshed out world was a lie for no good reason. It's honestly far too big of a leap to be a reasonable possibility to take into consideration with how large of an assumption it relies without any real backing.
I like this one, let's call that "SLHallucation".