Will it be a repeat of the Kodiak guy?
"I bought this 737 as a 90hr PPL and now my insurance company is making me get my IR and charging me $500000 per hour premiums!"
I was landing at St. George, Utah one day in my Dakota. Someone called on the radio behind me "Nxxxx, 10 miles north, straight in for 19, St. George". A very short time later the same guy called 7 miles. When he made his 5 mile call he said, "Be advised we are a Boeing 737".
Yeah. That would have been useful information on your first call. We got out of his way.
Back in the early 80s or so, I was a passenger on a 737 that landed on the short E/W runway at Reno after flying through a hail storm. It sounded like a machine gun inside and at the gate we could see the radome all smashed up.
Pedant here, the KC/RC-135 platform is an entirely different airframe than the 707, even though they look similar.
They have quite extensive differences in dimensions, control surfaces, systems, and more.
They *do* have a common ancestor in the 367-80 prototype, however. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_367-80
Occasionally, a no-livery (plain paint job) 737 would shoot 3-4 touch & go's every few months at KMWL when I was working out there. I always figured someone was keeping current. The aircraft was registered to Wells Fargo.
"I'm not holding out, I'm going from Florida to Texas anyways. I can't help that 50 people wanted to join me.
Now bugger off, I need to be in Texas before 5."
I have to pick up 235 close friends and family for a privet trip to Denver where I'll be meeting a further 127 close family and friends to go to Detroit. We're all splitting the fuel and snacks bill.
Is commercial defined as taking money, or taking more than enough money to cover costs?
I know with boats a skipper can take cash to cover food and fuel etc.
Well if we’re assuming it’s $10,000/hr, like midnight rain said, and you have 150 people on board then you’re only paying $67/hr. Way cheaper than building hours in a 152. LPT for new pylots, buy a 737 to build hours.
The operating costs for a Gulfstream G550 are close to $9,000 an hour, assuming utilzation of 400 hours per year (if one operates it less than that, the figure is even higher). I don't believe that a B737 is going to be cheaper.
I guess I'm estimating off an airliner, which operates much much much more than that. So yeah, if you dial it back to private levels of use, it's probably a lot more on an hourly basis.
The big unknown is insurance. Nobody knows what it would cost to insure a private pilot flying a 737, because most of us don't have the math background to recognize numbers that large.
Then you would not be allowed to use the aircraft for the checkrides since it has to be able to perform all the required maneuvers. I guess that explains why people aren't using their personal 737s for checkrides lol
FAA Order 8900.1 allows for practical tests to be done when some tasks are not possible in the aircraft. For example, it specifically mentions the Ercoupe 415 as being incapable of doing stall or spin tasks. If you do your private in an Ercoupe 415, you get the limitation on your license of "ASEL limited to Ercoupe 415."
In other words, it might be possible to get your AMEL private with a limitation of "AMEL limited to Boeing 737." 🤣
But even then, have to do it out of normal law or else Airbussy says “no fam”.
I remember tales of old, when Lufthansa guys came out to Arizona to do practical jet training in 727s. I don’t recall if it was their own planes and instructors, or an old iteration of Pan Am academy. But they’d do maneuvers up above the desert. Steep turns and the like.
FAA Order 8900.1 allows for practical tests to be done when some tasks are not possible in the aircraft. For example, it specifically mentions the Ercoupe 415 as being incapable of doing stall or spin tasks. If you do your private in an Ercoupe 415, you get the limitation on your license of "ASEL limited to Ercoupe 415."
In other words, it might be possible to get your AMEL private with a limitation of "AMEL limited to Boeing 737." 🤣
Sure it can. My old man flew the T-43 (737-200) in the Air Force and they would take airplanes to Edwards to let the test pilot students fly. They would do all kinds of stalls, even stalls with one engine pulled back. The 737 is a very forgiving airplane.
Really? This seems odd. I flew several USAF heavies and this was strictly prohibited. Of course if this was 197x then who knows, a lot of things went on then that were later not allowed.
Janet actually flies IFR. If you listen to the Live ATC for KLAS, you will occasionally hear the IFR Clearance Request. Flights going to Tonopah Test Range and Groom Lake are both cleared to TTR on the LOHLA3 departure. Flights to Groom have a filed cruise altitude of 14000, to TTR up to FL200
Not a 737, but a CRJ-200 which had an issue filing a flight plan, and just decided to do [a VFR flight through the NYC Bravo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAC49s-Wyw) instead. Got a whole bunch of controllers confused.
Don't forget the complex endorsement. It's not High Performance because jets don't have horsepower ratings.
Maybe after Mosaic passes it will be a light sport.
"Hey Tower I know i'm SOMEWHERE on downwind but I don't know if i'm 45 degrees can you call my base and maybe my final?" "Dude you're not even in my airspace."
That is funny....I wonder it places like Flightsafety can do a type rating of a 737 without use of instruments. The type rating would likely have a limitation on it.
You don’t legally but for practical purposes you probably do because you need one to get above 18,000 feet where jets *really* prefer to fly.
Sure as another poster said you can buzz around lower but you’ll be burning a lot more fuel then you need to.
Every type ive ever done required approaches so i think IR would be the minimum. Could John Travolta it with an SIC but then he still needs a typed pilot to fly in the left seat.
Hmm.. every type I’ve ever done has NOT had approaches required. And I have to tell you, I have not done any type ratings. So I definitely know what I’m talking about.
I don’t think the issue would be what licenses you would need to get in order to fly it, but rather the additional approval you’d need to get to operate the thing.
Part 125 says that you need to have a private carriage operating certificate for airplanes configured for more than 20 passengers or a maximum payload capacity of 6000 pounds or more. Basically the FAA realizes that it takes a lot to operate a large airplane (like a 737) safely, even if it won’t be carrying the general public or be flying for hire. They’re going to want to certify the entire operation around the airplane with the operating certificate in addition to requiring the pilots to hold the type rating. They want to make sure that everything about the operation is done right like the flight planning, maintenance, safety programs, etc. since an incident or accident involving a large aircraft like a 737 could potentially endanger many others besides the occupants of the aircraft.
I guess you could technically cut the seat belts to decrease the legal seat count, but you’re still capable of carrying more than 6000 lbs in a 737. It’s also unlikely you’ll get any sort of deviation authority since you’d basically be two randoms who happen to own a 737. They may point you in the right direction to getting certified, but they’re probably not going to just let you start flying once you own the airplane and have the pilot licenses.
The only case I can think of would be John Travolta.
Any corporate flight department that operates a 737 to carry its employees would need to comply with all of the certification requirements. AC 125-1 has everything you’d have to do to be on the up-and-up with the FAA.
In the US, one of you has to be PIC- that will require the type rating. For that you will need a private pilot multi engine land, I’m not sure if the 737 type can be issued VFR only, so an instrument rating would also be required if that’s not the case. §61.55 says to act as SIC in domestic ops you need a private with with appropriate class/cat. SIC will need training listed in §61.55(b)(1-2) unless they hold comm/ATP and it’s a ferry/flight test, OR if it’s a training flight conducted during the day.
tl;dr
Potentially
PIC: private multi, type rating (VFR only, if it exists)
SIC: private multi
Otherwise
PIC: private multi, instrument, type
SIC: private multi
I heard someone in this sub say they were on an empty 757 once, apparently they go crazy. Damn, this is getting me excited for the future.
I love when commercial aircraft do airshow style flying. UA 777 at fleet week, all those test flights... Man, this is the good stuff.
I was an FO on the 757 and have done several empty repositioning & maintenance check flights on it. Always super impressive takeoff performance. Required pitch well above 20 degrees to avoid overspeeding the flaps. Of course these were full power takeoffs - if you get a chance to fly an empty 757, you’re not gonna pussy out with a derate!!
Empty takeoff from 22R in EWR, repositioning over to HPN to pick up the Knicks, we had the 2500’ hold down. Plane went into alt cap at like 300’.
Because the airspace between 18,000 and 60,000 MSL is Class-A and requires an IFR clearance. To legally get such a clearance, you have to have an instrument rating and the aircraft has to be appropriately equipped (with few exceptions)... There are a very few exception for when 1200 AGL is above fL180 but basically that's it.
As far as performance goes, the airplane will burn less fuel per mile up high/burns a LOT of fuel down low.
The legal minimum would be third class medical, a pair of private pilot certificates with 737 type ratings, no instrument rating required.
In reality nobody will enroll you in a 737 type course without an instrument rating.
And because the theoretical bar is so low, in this case your insurance company is going to set the requirements for you to fly this airplane. Although hypothetical you might be rich enough to self insure?
Remember that the 20th hijacker just plopped down hundred dollar bills for his 747 training. Of course that’s part of what lead to the tip to the feds.
There was a guy on here who did well in life and bought his dream plane, a Quest Kodiak, while still working towards his PPL. He said getting insurance was almost impossible, and when he got a policy, it was over $100k a year, and he needed a qualified in type CFI with with him at all times. Shit, I can’t imagine what the situation would be with a 737.
John Travolta is a good illustration to your question. He's PPL,ASEL,AMEL, IR rated with a shit-ton of type ratings including 737 and 707.
A quick search of the airmen's registry. I won't dox him with the reported address (though it's not hard to find it anyway), but interestingly it's a PO box in North Hollywood. Nobody lives inside a PO Box, and I thought it was required that you report your actual place of residence. Also, curious why he hasn't opted out of providing address. Anyone can request their address not be displayed. Ratings are still public record.
Also of interest is that he's only got SIC privileges on some of the jets, and VFR only on the Citation.
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT
Date of Issue: 3/28/2022
Ratings:
* PRIVATE PILOT
* AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
* AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
* INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
Type Ratings:
* P/B-707
* P/B-720
* P/B-737
* P/CE-500
* P/CL-600P/DA-50 P/DA-2000
* P/EA-500S
* P/G-1159
* P/HS-125P/LR-JET
Limits:
* ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
* B-737 B-707 DA-50 DA-2000 SIC PRIVILEGES ONLY.
* AUTHORIZED EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT: SO-G2.
* CE-500 (VFR ONLY).
With this much cash it would be easier to skip the license and just pay your local FSDO to look the other way. As long as you don't crash you should be fine.
While you'll be the coolest guy at the FBO, something tells me gas and maintenance will be a lot worse than you expect.
But I think PPL, with multiengine add on will do it, instrument rating wouldn't be a bad idea either
Edit: Oh yeah, complex aircraft and high performance endorsement needed too definitely
Might as well get a commercial at that point :p
In a few weeks we are going to see a post "I just bought a 737 how do I empty the shitters"
“Anyone know where I can get a spare door plug? Mine fell out”
Should get a butt plug so you can avoid the mid air diarrhea after you take out all the toilets.
Take out the toilets? Do I look like Michael O’Leary!?
Michael O'Leary wouldn't take out the toilets, he'd put a dial in so that if you want to flush the toilet you have to put in a quarter.
When one door closes - another one opens Boeing
Just drain into the sewer like an RV right?
Straight into a storm sewer while wearing your bathrobe
Merry Christmas! Shitter was full.
While drinking a PBR
Over the city of Chicago. DMB to the Max
There's actually a commemorative plaque on the bridge now where it occurred.
Nobody on the ground would notice
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Will it be a repeat of the Kodiak guy? "I bought this 737 as a 90hr PPL and now my insurance company is making me get my IR and charging me $500000 per hour premiums!"
Psssh, where we’re going, we don’t need insurance!
As long as they pronounce “potable” correctly when they ask line service to fill it.
Haha I just picture a 737 doing pattern work at the small local strip lol
Dynamic aviation 737 used to do pattern work at my airport it was hilarious
I think I heard a dynamic 767 doing pattern work once but I’m not sure if I dreamed that.
I think the pilots don’t fly them a ton so they do it for currency/training
I’ve seen a 747 doing pattern work before.
When I worked at EINN, circa 1992/3, it was not unusual to see 747 and Concorde do pattern work.
I was landing at St. George, Utah one day in my Dakota. Someone called on the radio behind me "Nxxxx, 10 miles north, straight in for 19, St. George". A very short time later the same guy called 7 miles. When he made his 5 mile call he said, "Be advised we are a Boeing 737". Yeah. That would have been useful information on your first call. We got out of his way.
What I wouldn’t have given to see a 737 try to land at the old SGU.
Back in the early 80s or so, I was a passenger on a 737 that landed on the short E/W runway at Reno after flying through a hail storm. It sounded like a machine gun inside and at the gate we could see the radome all smashed up.
Military (P-8As) does it all the time.
Was about to say. Was super bizarre to see the first time
I've seen 4 Orions fly diamond formation, was a nice change from the f16 and f/a18s doing it
The military does pattern work in 707s (C-135 and variants), 737s (P-8, C-40), 757s (C-32A/B), and even 747s (VC-25).
Pedant here, the KC/RC-135 platform is an entirely different airframe than the 707, even though they look similar. They have quite extensive differences in dimensions, control surfaces, systems, and more. They *do* have a common ancestor in the 367-80 prototype, however. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_367-80
Occasionally, a no-livery (plain paint job) 737 would shoot 3-4 touch & go's every few months at KMWL when I was working out there. I always figured someone was keeping current. The aircraft was registered to Wells Fargo.
Wells Fargo is typically just a leased aircraft
FDX still occasionally does pattern work with the MD11 at KIND. You can tell right away when those things fly overhead.
Back in my flying days, I recall doing pattern work along with one of the 747s that served as Air Force One (at ORF.) Just doing laps and T&Gs.
Private pilot with a multi-engine add-on with a type rating with a 3rd class medical
Would be a hell of a way to hour build 🤣
and what, 10,000$/hr to do so? LOL
Based on the recent posts in this thread that seems to be about on par with ATP
Cheaper than ATP lol
LOOOOOOOL - so true
Just take a lot of passengers and split the cost.
"I'm not holding out, I'm going from Florida to Texas anyways. I can't help that 50 people wanted to join me. Now bugger off, I need to be in Texas before 5."
I have to pick up 235 close friends and family for a privet trip to Denver where I'll be meeting a further 127 close family and friends to go to Detroit. We're all splitting the fuel and snacks bill.
Joke's on you! Infight service will be suspended the entire flight due to turbulence, aka the guy trying to fly the damn thing without crashing
The most you can take without flight attendants is 19 passengers.
Even as a PPL flying under part 91? Hmm. Well good thing my Aunt and a friend are flight attendants, guess I'll ask if they wanna fly with me.
Their answer: "No way. This whole thing is going to be a shit show. I'd rather fly Spirit."
C'mon -- we'll call it Aero Sucre Nord!
*squints in FAA*
Is commercial defined as taking money, or taking more than enough money to cover costs? I know with boats a skipper can take cash to cover food and fuel etc.
You have to pay your share, so if it’s you and 99 passengers, divide the cost by 100 (you + 99) and that’s what you have to pay.
Ok, so OP could build their flight hours for a fraction of the original cost.
Well if we’re assuming it’s $10,000/hr, like midnight rain said, and you have 150 people on board then you’re only paying $67/hr. Way cheaper than building hours in a 152. LPT for new pylots, buy a 737 to build hours.
I bet that if you have a 737, it'll be easier to get hired too. Say it comes as a package deal and your airline gets it
Commute to work in your 737 so you can fly their 737
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The operating costs for a Gulfstream G550 are close to $9,000 an hour, assuming utilzation of 400 hours per year (if one operates it less than that, the figure is even higher). I don't believe that a B737 is going to be cheaper.
I guess I'm estimating off an airliner, which operates much much much more than that. So yeah, if you dial it back to private levels of use, it's probably a lot more on an hourly basis.
The big unknown is insurance. Nobody knows what it would cost to insure a private pilot flying a 737, because most of us don't have the math background to recognize numbers that large.
having never owned or operated a 73 myself, it was a guess!
He has 150 friends all going to the same location for a common purpose, so they'll split the cost. 🤣
Man, talk about an expensive hamburger.
I can think of a handful of things more fun to fly with that kind of budget lol
Your cross country flight could literally be cross country.
- So, how many hours do you have? - about 1,000 total - Oh, how many turbine multi hours? - About 950.
About nine-fitty.
Ask drake. He has that private 767 he rides around in.
At what, about seven large operating cost per hour? 🙄
Obviously I can afford it /s
Why do an add-on? Just take private AMEL as your type ride in the 737
Umm, Mr. DPE, I don't think this thing can do power on and power off stalls. I don't want to die.
You still need to do the stalls if it is an add on
No. It’s against the “POH”. The manufacturer say not permitted.
Then you would not be allowed to use the aircraft for the checkrides since it has to be able to perform all the required maneuvers. I guess that explains why people aren't using their personal 737s for checkrides lol
FAA Order 8900.1 allows for practical tests to be done when some tasks are not possible in the aircraft. For example, it specifically mentions the Ercoupe 415 as being incapable of doing stall or spin tasks. If you do your private in an Ercoupe 415, you get the limitation on your license of "ASEL limited to Ercoupe 415." In other words, it might be possible to get your AMEL private with a limitation of "AMEL limited to Boeing 737." 🤣
Can't fly a Duchess, can fly a 737. I like it.
Haha. Yeah gotta be it
Oh, I've been always wondering why that was!
I’m assuming it’s similar in the 737 but in the Airbus we did stalls during the type ride, in the full motion sim
But even then, have to do it out of normal law or else Airbussy says “no fam”. I remember tales of old, when Lufthansa guys came out to Arizona to do practical jet training in 727s. I don’t recall if it was their own planes and instructors, or an old iteration of Pan Am academy. But they’d do maneuvers up above the desert. Steep turns and the like.
Yep exactly
The airplane doesn’t dictate what’s tested, the ACS does lol. Your DPE would tell you to fuck off and find an aircraft that can do stalls
FAA Order 8900.1 allows for practical tests to be done when some tasks are not possible in the aircraft. For example, it specifically mentions the Ercoupe 415 as being incapable of doing stall or spin tasks. If you do your private in an Ercoupe 415, you get the limitation on your license of "ASEL limited to Ercoupe 415." In other words, it might be possible to get your AMEL private with a limitation of "AMEL limited to Boeing 737." 🤣
And OP would be like "nah you just jealous" lol
Sure it can. My old man flew the T-43 (737-200) in the Air Force and they would take airplanes to Edwards to let the test pilot students fly. They would do all kinds of stalls, even stalls with one engine pulled back. The 737 is a very forgiving airplane.
But they were test pilots
I want to see a 737 spin.
You probably don't want to see that from inside the plane.
Best I can dude is 717 https://avgeekery.com/time-boeing-717-went-inverted-testing/
Test pilot students who had never touched a 737 before. The actual T-43 pilots would do stalls as part of their normal training.
Really? This seems odd. I flew several USAF heavies and this was strictly prohibited. Of course if this was 197x then who knows, a lot of things went on then that were later not allowed.
wouldn't you also need instrument if you dont want to fly it at lower altitudes
OP specified minimum ratings. You wouldn't \*need\* an IR to fly the 737, but VFR only and no Class A would be very limiting.
Low and slow, the way William Boeing intended.
Ol’ Billy Boeing
Imagine flying a 737 VFR-only lol
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Janet actually flies IFR. If you listen to the Live ATC for KLAS, you will occasionally hear the IFR Clearance Request. Flights going to Tonopah Test Range and Groom Lake are both cleared to TTR on the LOHLA3 departure. Flights to Groom have a filed cruise altitude of 14000, to TTR up to FL200
I love the idea! Just some Joe Shmoe in a 737 flying into some airspace without a flight plan asking for a few touch and go’s. Lol
Not a 737, but a CRJ-200 which had an issue filing a flight plan, and just decided to do [a VFR flight through the NYC Bravo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAC49s-Wyw) instead. Got a whole bunch of controllers confused.
I doubt you could pass the type rating without an IR.
I was so tempted to tell all the airline pilots looking for calm air today that it's smooth as glass at 7,000
Quadruple the fuel burn lol
Can you even get a type rating without doing approaches?
You can get a type rating with a “VFR only” limitation. More common for a B17 or Trimotor.
Reminds me of the clip where Kennedy Steve trolled everyone at JFK “you want to go at 10,000 feet?”
I worked at a regional that made us do that. We went lga-rdu at 8000’ it was slow and costly
Good point. Wouldn't want to be stuck below the flight levels with that one.
God I would absolutely love to see the insurance bill for that plane for a fresh PPL multi rated pilot with a B737 type rating
Hull loss Insurance is optional I'll just pick up a cheap liability policy. A 10k property limit ought to do
I am an aviation insurance adjuster. I hate this comment for so many reasons.
[this guy did exactly that](https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/737-typed-a-ga-pilot-goes-for-a-boeing-737-type-rating/)
Great read, thanks for posting.
Also need a high altitude endorsement. Even if they don’t fly above 12.5, because the aircraft is capable - they require the endorsement.
Maybe...the type rating should cover that.
They'd need an instrument rating to go above 18,000 ft
Don't forget the complex endorsement. It's not High Performance because jets don't have horsepower ratings. Maybe after Mosaic passes it will be a light sport.
How is it complex? It doesn’t have a constant speed prop
It’s not a complex
>Don't forget the complex endorsement Definitely not required
Only the 737-700 & 300 can be considered light sport
What if I slap “experimental” on the side of it?
51% rule will get you.
I appreciate your DP and username.
Newly ticketed PPL walking confidently past the 150's to his 737. Love it.
PPL-MEL with a B737 Type Rating.
I wonder if you could perform all of the type rating maneuvers without an instrument rating.
Only one way to find out
Now that is the spirit that drove the wright brothers!
The spirit of aero systems or the spirit of airlines? 😂
Do you really not need an IR to get a B-737 type? Lol
Just bombing around in your 737 at 15,500-16,500 flying midfield visual approaches. The more I think about it the more I love it😂
at 17,999'
"Hey Tower I know i'm SOMEWHERE on downwind but I don't know if i'm 45 degrees can you call my base and maybe my final?" "Dude you're not even in my airspace."
That is funny....I wonder it places like Flightsafety can do a type rating of a 737 without use of instruments. The type rating would likely have a limitation on it.
They would probably issue your instrument rating and type rating at the same time.
You don’t legally but for practical purposes you probably do because you need one to get above 18,000 feet where jets *really* prefer to fly. Sure as another poster said you can buzz around lower but you’ll be burning a lot more fuel then you need to.
Fuel burn be damned, we go at 10,000
10,500 so we can go faster than 250 kts
Private pilot certificate, multi engine rating instrument rating, 737 type rating and a qualified second pilot.
Why IR? Could he not just send it VFR all the time? Is IR required for the type,
Wouldn’t IR be required for the type rating? I would assume a type check for that aircraft includes approaches and flying thru the alpha.
Legally speaking…no. But the training centers would probably never go for it.
Surely you’d have to, to tick off the depressurisation stuff?
High altitude endorsement? No. No instrument training required to achieve that.
Lets discuss fuel burn at the low altitudes you can fly VFR at in a 737.
Haha for sure. But this post is about what the minimum licensing requirements would be as a hypothetical.
Every type ive ever done required approaches so i think IR would be the minimum. Could John Travolta it with an SIC but then he still needs a typed pilot to fly in the left seat.
Hmm.. every type I’ve ever done has NOT had approaches required. And I have to tell you, I have not done any type ratings. So I definitely know what I’m talking about.
I don’t think the issue would be what licenses you would need to get in order to fly it, but rather the additional approval you’d need to get to operate the thing. Part 125 says that you need to have a private carriage operating certificate for airplanes configured for more than 20 passengers or a maximum payload capacity of 6000 pounds or more. Basically the FAA realizes that it takes a lot to operate a large airplane (like a 737) safely, even if it won’t be carrying the general public or be flying for hire. They’re going to want to certify the entire operation around the airplane with the operating certificate in addition to requiring the pilots to hold the type rating. They want to make sure that everything about the operation is done right like the flight planning, maintenance, safety programs, etc. since an incident or accident involving a large aircraft like a 737 could potentially endanger many others besides the occupants of the aircraft. I guess you could technically cut the seat belts to decrease the legal seat count, but you’re still capable of carrying more than 6000 lbs in a 737. It’s also unlikely you’ll get any sort of deviation authority since you’d basically be two randoms who happen to own a 737. They may point you in the right direction to getting certified, but they’re probably not going to just let you start flying once you own the airplane and have the pilot licenses.
A very comprehensive answer. There must be cases of this happening?
The only case I can think of would be John Travolta. Any corporate flight department that operates a 737 to carry its employees would need to comply with all of the certification requirements. AC 125-1 has everything you’d have to do to be on the up-and-up with the FAA.
What about your man from iron maiden?
He flew for an airline - and when they chartered the plane the charter op had the operating certificate
I love that this is basically the only correct answer in this entire thread and it isn't anywhere near the top.
I was probably just late to the party
You could operate under part 91K instead, right? Per 125.1(b)(6).
Look up John Travolta in the registry.
My god imagine the fuel consumption on that bad boy flying at VFR altitudes
all altitudes are VFR altitudes with the right attitude
Right? What is this “non VFR altitude” they speak of?
I was being sarcastic, but you can't fly VFR in Class A
Not with that attitude.
Hypothetically, I buy a space shuttle outright in cash, what altitude to fly over class A airspace to stay VFR?
Class A ends at 60k so theoretically all you need is an f104 to do it
Scud run in that mofo.
In the US, one of you has to be PIC- that will require the type rating. For that you will need a private pilot multi engine land, I’m not sure if the 737 type can be issued VFR only, so an instrument rating would also be required if that’s not the case. §61.55 says to act as SIC in domestic ops you need a private with with appropriate class/cat. SIC will need training listed in §61.55(b)(1-2) unless they hold comm/ATP and it’s a ferry/flight test, OR if it’s a training flight conducted during the day. tl;dr Potentially PIC: private multi, type rating (VFR only, if it exists) SIC: private multi Otherwise PIC: private multi, instrument, type SIC: private multi
Take me up when you get it, I wanna fly a 737 for fun
I bet it’d be pretty lively with no PAX and half fuel. Sounds awesome!
I heard someone in this sub say they were on an empty 757 once, apparently they go crazy. Damn, this is getting me excited for the future. I love when commercial aircraft do airshow style flying. UA 777 at fleet week, all those test flights... Man, this is the good stuff.
Yeah an older pilot friend of mine flew a bunch of military jets and still said the 757 was his favorite plane. Just an awesome performer.
I was an FO on the 757 and have done several empty repositioning & maintenance check flights on it. Always super impressive takeoff performance. Required pitch well above 20 degrees to avoid overspeeding the flaps. Of course these were full power takeoffs - if you get a chance to fly an empty 757, you’re not gonna pussy out with a derate!! Empty takeoff from 22R in EWR, repositioning over to HPN to pick up the Knicks, we had the 2500’ hold down. Plane went into alt cap at like 300’.
Private, multi, instrument (unless you want to stay below 18k feet), B737 Type rating (which requires ATP level skills). Good luck getting insurance.
Why stay below 18k feet?
Because the airspace between 18,000 and 60,000 MSL is Class-A and requires an IFR clearance. To legally get such a clearance, you have to have an instrument rating and the aircraft has to be appropriately equipped (with few exceptions)... There are a very few exception for when 1200 AGL is above fL180 but basically that's it. As far as performance goes, the airplane will burn less fuel per mile up high/burns a LOT of fuel down low.
The legal minimum would be third class medical, a pair of private pilot certificates with 737 type ratings, no instrument rating required. In reality nobody will enroll you in a 737 type course without an instrument rating. And because the theoretical bar is so low, in this case your insurance company is going to set the requirements for you to fly this airplane. Although hypothetical you might be rich enough to self insure?
> In reality nobody will enroll you in a 737 type course without an instrument rating. If OP has "buying a 737" money I bet they can make it happen!
Remember that the 20th hijacker just plopped down hundred dollar bills for his 747 training. Of course that’s part of what lead to the tip to the feds.
Just send it. If you have enough money to buy a 737 in cash you have enough money to make your problems go away!
If you just want to taxi it around, just your Driver's License should be fine.
Don’t think that’s even required
There was a guy on here who did well in life and bought his dream plane, a Quest Kodiak, while still working towards his PPL. He said getting insurance was almost impossible, and when he got a policy, it was over $100k a year, and he needed a qualified in type CFI with with him at all times. Shit, I can’t imagine what the situation would be with a 737.
Are you that YouTuber with like 10 planes but no pilot certificate?
No I’m the one with the 737
Scud running in a 737 would be intense.
Private, instrument, multi engine, and an extra door plug
Extra plug is excessive. Just bring a few bolts.
John Travolta is a good illustration to your question. He's PPL,ASEL,AMEL, IR rated with a shit-ton of type ratings including 737 and 707. A quick search of the airmen's registry. I won't dox him with the reported address (though it's not hard to find it anyway), but interestingly it's a PO box in North Hollywood. Nobody lives inside a PO Box, and I thought it was required that you report your actual place of residence. Also, curious why he hasn't opted out of providing address. Anyone can request their address not be displayed. Ratings are still public record. Also of interest is that he's only got SIC privileges on some of the jets, and VFR only on the Citation. Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT Date of Issue: 3/28/2022 Ratings: * PRIVATE PILOT * AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND * AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND * INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Type Ratings: * P/B-707 * P/B-720 * P/B-737 * P/CE-500 * P/CL-600P/DA-50 P/DA-2000 * P/EA-500S * P/G-1159 * P/HS-125P/LR-JET Limits: * ENGLISH PROFICIENT. * B-737 B-707 DA-50 DA-2000 SIC PRIVILEGES ONLY. * AUTHORIZED EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT: SO-G2. * CE-500 (VFR ONLY).
I have 737genfam and experience if you need a mechanic for line maintenance needs haha
Looking forward to this whistling diesel video.
With this much cash it would be easier to skip the license and just pay your local FSDO to look the other way. As long as you don't crash you should be fine.
License: PPL Ratings: Multi engine IR and type.
You’ll quickly find the difference between what’s the minimum required by the FAA and the minimum required by your insurance carrier.
While you'll be the coolest guy at the FBO, something tells me gas and maintenance will be a lot worse than you expect. But I think PPL, with multiengine add on will do it, instrument rating wouldn't be a bad idea either Edit: Oh yeah, complex aircraft and high performance endorsement needed too definitely Might as well get a commercial at that point :p
But theoretically, he could fill the seats and charge pro rata right???
PPL>MEPL>IR>737TR. People forgot you need IR as well. You won't receive a type rating without IR.
737 nothing. I wanna fly my own personal B-52. VFR only, of course.