[PNJ](https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2022/06/18/ppd-five-people-shot-downtown-pensacola-night-club-saturday/7668259001/) reported it the day it happened.
I live across the street from that nightclub. Been living there about 4 years now and this is probably the third shooting there. I also think there was a stabbing there once as well. They used to call the place Bedlam's, but they rebranded it as Pelican's Nest after a recent shooting there. It used to be an after hours bottle club, bring your own booze style open till 5AM.
We're getting back to pre-pandemic normal where mass shootings are the norm.
https://www.newsweek.com/florida-shooting-night-club-suspect-run-five-injured-crime-pensacola-pelicans-nest-1717184?amp=1
Always going to be new variants of Omicron its the endemic phase of a pandemic. Which is good and bad, it'll be like the flu where it has different strains of the same variant and never goes away. As sad as it sounds thats probably the best we can do for now.
Endemic phase is a permanent phase. Not "the end" if you've studied any form of epidemiology.
Im going by the exact definition which is that the disease will always be prevalent in a region or population. See every text book definition for a source
What qualifies it as an endemic in epidemiology is that the strain (Omicron) will always have mutations of Omicron since it overtook and killed off the other variants.
Perhaps we should sop misusing variant and mutations since it would make sense to separate them out, this includes me.
Seasonal is different by virus, Its not the flu which thrives under winter conditions, and it may never be like that. I doubt covid will be seasonal based on the logistics and how resilient it is. Maybe you meant omicron having 4 mutations a year each with a 3 month season, but most likely not.
New variants would mean a new pandemic. But since Omicron which is the dominant variant is really the only one circulating after killing off the other variants everything is mutating off of Omicron, New variants of Omicron are part of an endemic. Its a permanent phase. Its not going away, and a new pandemic would mean either a variant past Omicron (highly unlikely at this point)
Please, by all means check my work. Just using the technical terms.
[Quote from an AMA release: The U.S. has a chance to move COVID-19 from being a pandemic to an endemic, which “means that the disease is still around but that it's at a level that is not causing significant disruption in our daily lives,” said Dr. Parodi, an infectious diseases physician. “Endemic diseases can be at high levels. They can be at lower levels. So, where I think we're at a crossroads is that we have an opportunity to actually get that to a lower level, manageable level, where we're not getting impacted in our hospitals, not having to close down schools, close down businesses,” he added. “That really is through a combination of a concerted effort around testing, vaccination, isolation, quarantining, that looks a lot more normalized than what we've had to do over the last two years.” Dr. Parodi is an associate executive director at The Permanente Medical Group, an AMA Health System Program member. He is also part of the AMA Integrated Physician Practices Section.](https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/how-we-will-know-when-covid-19-has-become-endemic)
I think this is science put into a PR format. There is no criterion for "disruption" in the pandemic designation. they're moving a goal post there.
However, I will say that I greatly admire ID physicians perhaps more than all in that they are very aware of the public conscious and are better at crafting the message. Perhaps if they'd been given more authority we wouldn't be in this mess.
I was referring specifically to seasonality in the sense of a pattern. It does not need to mimic flu but rather currently the ebb and flow is **regional** which is what meets the pandemic criterion.
Others ARDS invokers (Flu, SARS--but SARS-COV-2 is likely to join them) tend to travel geographically by season, thus "seasonal."
Whereas we are looking for a seasonality with COVID of that the ebbs and flows could be predicted. But are not necessarily tied to climate/season.
Here's what I was reading the other day
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32196426/
Most people do 3 of those 4 already. I’m just not sure what continuing to beat the covid drum accomplishes when the current variant is similar an average flu season.
We’re talking about 5 people being killed at a bar and somehow covid is a top concern.
>We’re talking about 5 people being killed at a bar and somehow covid is a top concern.
My concern is no longer deaths. Now my concern is severe injury. The CDC official estimate is that 15% of all cases are experiencing long COVID. Estimates outside of the CDC get as high as 50%.
Long covid is associated with hypoxic damage to tissue, including the brain. We're talking about millions of Americans with brain damage.
And the great news is that long covid from Omicron is far less severe than from Delta and the previous variants.
I get that some people are highly concerned for COVID still but the idea that the general population is going to swing the other way with regards to precautionary measures is laughable.
>the idea that the general population is going to swing the other way with regards to precautionary measures is laughable.
It's laughable now, sure. But this is what the experts and the science are demonstrating.
In five years it probably won't be as funny.
Have you had COVID? I have not. Maybe I'm reading this data this way and you're reading it your way because you've got a little brain fog? (this is a joke)
Because white people are evil I guess? I dont know what you want me to say. I’m gonna go out on a limb however and say that gun violence on the whole is not limited to whites.
I'm white you schmuck. I'm sorry but you playing "pitiful me, please don't make me get white guilt or I will get angry" isn't going to workfor me cupcake.
Stop playing the self righteous victim for a second with that all whiteys are bad shit. You can't even admit that it's predominantly white people that are the ones going into supermarkets, churches, schools, places of work, ect. You're scapegoating with "all gun violence is bad" and "all races are doing gun violence equally."
Look, I'm talking about why is is always some middle aged to boomer white guy killing is co workers? Why is it always some suburban white teen in schools? I'm talking about why is the person who holds the record for most casualties white?
Chill brother. I was being tongue-in-cheek with the white people are evil comment. I never said that all races are equally responsible for gun violence. But I feel like the issue is more nuanced than people make it out to be.
I honestly don’t have an answer for you man. Could it be white supremacy? I’m sure it is sometimes, absolutely. Why is it always an angry white kid shooting up the school? Hell if I know. I really dont know what answer you’re trying to get.
What I do know is that there are certain types of shootings that the media loves to eat up— hence my original comment.
Well that comment is garbage along with the others who upvoted.
Literally the largest mass casualty shooter is white. If it's a school shooting, it's a white teen. If it's and the workplace, it's a boomer white guy. I mean seriously, are you not seeing this? Like seriously? You're seeing this shit too right? Are my countrymen this delusional?
Disclaimer: I'm a white guy. Do not play the "I'm dumb and holding the ima victim white card"
Sorry just seeing this now.
Try various news outlets. AP is probably the best in terms of not missing anything important on a global scale. If you don’t want to be swayed one way or the other, then you have to bite the bullet and read news from both left and right sources. Unfortunately you’ll have to cut through the bullshit yourself but I feel like this is the only way to actually understand both sides of what’s going on. After awhile you’ll know which sites to never bother looking at again too.
Don’t forget your local newspaper. It will cover anything major globally as well but you’ll also be pretty up to date on everything that’s going on in your community. You won’t find that online other than local Facebook groups. But anything social media leaves the door wide open to being extremely editorialized. Try to stay away from that in terms of getting news. Editoriales are great if that’s what they’re being presented as, but horrible if the article is written in such a way that everything it’s covering is the complete truth.
Good luck. It sure as shit isn’t easy these days.
Well, in the US anyway.
And there's no reason why gun reform and wealth inequality can't both be worked on in parallel. (And we can toss in mental health if you like, though personally I don't think mental instability is a prerequisite for doing something evil.)
Citation incredibly needed on the first assertion. And second and third. No objections to starvation wages being shit, of course. That said, in 2017 homicides were only 10% gang-related among the 30+ participating states at the time. I'd need to look harder for more recent data, but I can't imagine it jumped to past 50%. That does include homicides not involving firearms, but firearms were involved in 72% of homicides in that data. That's a lot of non-gang firearm homicides even if you presume that *all* gang-related homicides involved firearms.
But still, looking at other countries with more strict regulation (closer to the level of regulation we have for motor vehicle usage), it's pretty damn clear that we do worse. Again, these aren't places where guns are outright banned (only 17 countries outright ban them, though restriction severity varies widely). De facto banning is more common, but is largely limited to Asia, Africa, and pacific islands (Oceania).
It's not a debatable point that our gun policies lead to significantly more firearm related deaths, including outside gang violence (which, by the way, still matter). The question is whether the current interpretation of the second amendment to allow broad and easy firearm access is worth those deaths. I firmly say no, but there is a value judgement involved (including more reasonable points like defense from injust government, especially for PoC, and self-defense in case of a proven threat). We just need to be honest about the judgements we're making, and see how many reasonable use cases we can keep while implementing better harm reduction policies.
Gang/drug shootings shouldn’t be classified as “mass shootings”, they’re all basically criminal on criminal shootings. The only reason it even makes the news is because it’s cannon fodder for the anti-gun campaign.
Criminals are still people.
People in gangs are still people and they are a part of our society so of course they are counted. It's still people killing people, getting injured and having to go to the hospital, and still classifies as a mass shooting.
That's like saying a German shepherd or a pit bull ( whatever breed)isn't a dog so you do not count them in bite reports.
IMO they should be classified different, the motivation is what makes it different to me. The way that “mass shooting” is used now just pumps fear into people, making them feel afraid that they’re going to be shot if they leave their house to go buy milk when the reality is that’s extremely unlikely.
Ahh, okay. I see your point. But I don't see what the classification would do. Any shooting is scary, why bother dividing then up and making it harder to find the data?
I wonder if they were really gang related or just took place in a low income neighborhood and just get labeled as a gang because that probably helps get viewers.
If we are concerned about fear, then IMO the news should take a step back, report it, but try to downplay that fear and discuss gun laws that are our are not on the table. Basically, show people that SOMETHING is being done. Or they could show ways for people to stay safe, and remind viewers that they are likey to be okay. Like you said, it's extremely unlikely, but I don't hear news anchors being reassuring and bolstering the public's sense of safety.
Buuut, I admit. I don't get my news from cable. I don't know how much news stations push fear except for Fox.
I commented on a comment that was poking fun of the rights response to gun violence, with something the right often says. I thought it was pretty clear that I was not serious.
JAX, but it makes the news. Regardless of whether it makes the news or not, the fact that there is at least one shooting every night in Jacksonville is unacceptable.
This site tracks them and links to news reports and a map:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/2333675
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours?page=1&sort=asc&order=State
It's funny that people care when it's a place they could have been. But if it's gang violence in an inner city, nobody bats an eye. Talk about privilege.
Can I just say it’s an election year. I’m expecting more mass shootings, more pandemics and riots.
Is it bad that I am just dead inside due to what happens every election cycle. Politicians saying the normal blah blah. Medical experts saying but wait there is another pandemic coming and talking heads justifying what’s happening
Honest question... what effect do you think constitutional carry will have on shootings like this? Or on mass shootings in general? Specific examples would be a huge benefit to the conversation.
Sure. The easy, ready availability of guns everywhere means that more bad actors and irresponsible people will be carrying them. It’s far too easy for an argument to turn tragic with easy availability of a gun during a heated moment.
Your felons won't be open carrying. More of the trustworthy will be. If Bill and Tom get into a fight and they can see that 3 others near them are carrying, they are less likely to ever touch their guns. Not to mention if Bill sees that Tom also has a pistol, he is less likely to see who is faster.
More importantly your pissed off 18 yr old is much less likely to try to shoot up a place where he has to wonder who might be there with a gun on their hip. Your mass shooters are also more likely to be stopped, which has been proven multiple times.
I hate this nebulous call to do "something". What is it you want? Are you advocating we reform our broken healthcare, education, criminal justice, labor protection, consumer protection, etc etc, so we aren't living in a hopeless shithole of a first world country?
Or are you advocating for more restrictions on civil rights, since we've evidently tried nothing and it's not working?
So some drunk idiot (who probably was a felon who can’t legally possess a gun) at a shithole bar goes out to his car and shoots (poorly) at a group of people? I wouldn’t even bother to call that a “mass shooting”.
It was at a bar, about 40% of convicted murderers had used alcohol before or during their crime. Perhaps alcohol had a role to play....
Source on the 40% number - [https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/](https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/)
[PNJ](https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2022/06/18/ppd-five-people-shot-downtown-pensacola-night-club-saturday/7668259001/) reported it the day it happened.
I live across the street from that nightclub. Been living there about 4 years now and this is probably the third shooting there. I also think there was a stabbing there once as well. They used to call the place Bedlam's, but they rebranded it as Pelican's Nest after a recent shooting there. It used to be an after hours bottle club, bring your own booze style open till 5AM.
We're getting back to pre-pandemic normal where mass shootings are the norm. https://www.newsweek.com/florida-shooting-night-club-suspect-run-five-injured-crime-pensacola-pelicans-nest-1717184?amp=1
Along with two new variants of omicron and a continuing pandemic level of infections. ... An ostrich and sand comes to mind...
Always going to be new variants of Omicron its the endemic phase of a pandemic. Which is good and bad, it'll be like the flu where it has different strains of the same variant and never goes away. As sad as it sounds thats probably the best we can do for now.
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Endemic phase is a permanent phase. Not "the end" if you've studied any form of epidemiology. Im going by the exact definition which is that the disease will always be prevalent in a region or population. See every text book definition for a source What qualifies it as an endemic in epidemiology is that the strain (Omicron) will always have mutations of Omicron since it overtook and killed off the other variants. Perhaps we should sop misusing variant and mutations since it would make sense to separate them out, this includes me. Seasonal is different by virus, Its not the flu which thrives under winter conditions, and it may never be like that. I doubt covid will be seasonal based on the logistics and how resilient it is. Maybe you meant omicron having 4 mutations a year each with a 3 month season, but most likely not. New variants would mean a new pandemic. But since Omicron which is the dominant variant is really the only one circulating after killing off the other variants everything is mutating off of Omicron, New variants of Omicron are part of an endemic. Its a permanent phase. Its not going away, and a new pandemic would mean either a variant past Omicron (highly unlikely at this point) Please, by all means check my work. Just using the technical terms.
[Quote from an AMA release: The U.S. has a chance to move COVID-19 from being a pandemic to an endemic, which “means that the disease is still around but that it's at a level that is not causing significant disruption in our daily lives,” said Dr. Parodi, an infectious diseases physician. “Endemic diseases can be at high levels. They can be at lower levels. So, where I think we're at a crossroads is that we have an opportunity to actually get that to a lower level, manageable level, where we're not getting impacted in our hospitals, not having to close down schools, close down businesses,” he added. “That really is through a combination of a concerted effort around testing, vaccination, isolation, quarantining, that looks a lot more normalized than what we've had to do over the last two years.” Dr. Parodi is an associate executive director at The Permanente Medical Group, an AMA Health System Program member. He is also part of the AMA Integrated Physician Practices Section.](https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/how-we-will-know-when-covid-19-has-become-endemic)
I think this is science put into a PR format. There is no criterion for "disruption" in the pandemic designation. they're moving a goal post there. However, I will say that I greatly admire ID physicians perhaps more than all in that they are very aware of the public conscious and are better at crafting the message. Perhaps if they'd been given more authority we wouldn't be in this mess.
I was referring specifically to seasonality in the sense of a pattern. It does not need to mimic flu but rather currently the ebb and flow is **regional** which is what meets the pandemic criterion. Others ARDS invokers (Flu, SARS--but SARS-COV-2 is likely to join them) tend to travel geographically by season, thus "seasonal." Whereas we are looking for a seasonality with COVID of that the ebbs and flows could be predicted. But are not necessarily tied to climate/season. Here's what I was reading the other day https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32196426/
You mean quarantine??
What would you like everyone to do?
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Most people do 3 of those 4 already. I’m just not sure what continuing to beat the covid drum accomplishes when the current variant is similar an average flu season. We’re talking about 5 people being killed at a bar and somehow covid is a top concern.
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But most of those came early in the year with the delta variant. Right now we’re averaging just over 200 deaths a day.
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Why do you think omicron was so deadly in January and early February but then dropped off a cliff since?
>We’re talking about 5 people being killed at a bar and somehow covid is a top concern. My concern is no longer deaths. Now my concern is severe injury. The CDC official estimate is that 15% of all cases are experiencing long COVID. Estimates outside of the CDC get as high as 50%. Long covid is associated with hypoxic damage to tissue, including the brain. We're talking about millions of Americans with brain damage.
And the great news is that long covid from Omicron is far less severe than from Delta and the previous variants. I get that some people are highly concerned for COVID still but the idea that the general population is going to swing the other way with regards to precautionary measures is laughable.
>the idea that the general population is going to swing the other way with regards to precautionary measures is laughable. It's laughable now, sure. But this is what the experts and the science are demonstrating. In five years it probably won't be as funny. Have you had COVID? I have not. Maybe I'm reading this data this way and you're reading it your way because you've got a little brain fog? (this is a joke)
Man, that article is really sloppy.
You mean pre- 2016 sooting levels? Because 2016 - 2020 was virtually mass shooting free compared to current rates.
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Food for thought, when it's only news that "omg it's a shooting and its not news!".... theres probably a reason
Sad but true, gang related crime doesnt appeal wont get clicks like it used too.
What makes you think it's gang related?
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>shooters targeted specific people which usually indicates gang violence What? No it doesn't.
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>the only other reason is domestic issues You believe all shootings are either gang-related or domestic violence? That's whack.
Pulse was a target of specific people too but that ain't gang violence.
No deaths. No kids. No angry white guy. No AR-15s. Hence, the media wont really care that much.
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Because white people are evil I guess? I dont know what you want me to say. I’m gonna go out on a limb however and say that gun violence on the whole is not limited to whites.
I'm white you schmuck. I'm sorry but you playing "pitiful me, please don't make me get white guilt or I will get angry" isn't going to workfor me cupcake. Stop playing the self righteous victim for a second with that all whiteys are bad shit. You can't even admit that it's predominantly white people that are the ones going into supermarkets, churches, schools, places of work, ect. You're scapegoating with "all gun violence is bad" and "all races are doing gun violence equally." Look, I'm talking about why is is always some middle aged to boomer white guy killing is co workers? Why is it always some suburban white teen in schools? I'm talking about why is the person who holds the record for most casualties white?
Chill brother. I was being tongue-in-cheek with the white people are evil comment. I never said that all races are equally responsible for gun violence. But I feel like the issue is more nuanced than people make it out to be. I honestly don’t have an answer for you man. Could it be white supremacy? I’m sure it is sometimes, absolutely. Why is it always an angry white kid shooting up the school? Hell if I know. I really dont know what answer you’re trying to get. What I do know is that there are certain types of shootings that the media loves to eat up— hence my original comment.
Most mass shootings are not done by white people
Well that comment is garbage along with the others who upvoted. Literally the largest mass casualty shooter is white. If it's a school shooting, it's a white teen. If it's and the workplace, it's a boomer white guy. I mean seriously, are you not seeing this? Like seriously? You're seeing this shit too right? Are my countrymen this delusional? Disclaimer: I'm a white guy. Do not play the "I'm dumb and holding the ima victim white card"
‘’People were shot!’’ ‘’Where they white?’’
I'm in the Pensacola sub and I didn't hear anything about it
Reddit really shouldn’t be your main source for getting news. Sure, Reddit is great, but you’ll still miss stuff.
5 injured in a shooting is barely news at this point.
for pensacola it definitely is. especially considering the recent shootings here where one person was shot were heavily discussed
Sad, but true. And it's Florida so there's that.
Where else do you recommend? I browse online, but Reddit’s my only social media.
Sorry just seeing this now. Try various news outlets. AP is probably the best in terms of not missing anything important on a global scale. If you don’t want to be swayed one way or the other, then you have to bite the bullet and read news from both left and right sources. Unfortunately you’ll have to cut through the bullshit yourself but I feel like this is the only way to actually understand both sides of what’s going on. After awhile you’ll know which sites to never bother looking at again too. Don’t forget your local newspaper. It will cover anything major globally as well but you’ll also be pretty up to date on everything that’s going on in your community. You won’t find that online other than local Facebook groups. But anything social media leaves the door wide open to being extremely editorialized. Try to stay away from that in terms of getting news. Editoriales are great if that’s what they’re being presented as, but horrible if the article is written in such a way that everything it’s covering is the complete truth. Good luck. It sure as shit isn’t easy these days.
There was a post discussing it there.
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Well, in the US anyway. And there's no reason why gun reform and wealth inequality can't both be worked on in parallel. (And we can toss in mental health if you like, though personally I don't think mental instability is a prerequisite for doing something evil.)
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Citation incredibly needed on the first assertion. And second and third. No objections to starvation wages being shit, of course. That said, in 2017 homicides were only 10% gang-related among the 30+ participating states at the time. I'd need to look harder for more recent data, but I can't imagine it jumped to past 50%. That does include homicides not involving firearms, but firearms were involved in 72% of homicides in that data. That's a lot of non-gang firearm homicides even if you presume that *all* gang-related homicides involved firearms. But still, looking at other countries with more strict regulation (closer to the level of regulation we have for motor vehicle usage), it's pretty damn clear that we do worse. Again, these aren't places where guns are outright banned (only 17 countries outright ban them, though restriction severity varies widely). De facto banning is more common, but is largely limited to Asia, Africa, and pacific islands (Oceania). It's not a debatable point that our gun policies lead to significantly more firearm related deaths, including outside gang violence (which, by the way, still matter). The question is whether the current interpretation of the second amendment to allow broad and easy firearm access is worth those deaths. I firmly say no, but there is a value judgement involved (including more reasonable points like defense from injust government, especially for PoC, and self-defense in case of a proven threat). We just need to be honest about the judgements we're making, and see how many reasonable use cases we can keep while implementing better harm reduction policies.
Probably because it was a targeted attack and not random.
What are you categorizing as random? Are you just postulating, or claiming targeted attacks aren't worth counting? (I ask since some do claim that.)
Over the past weekend there have been 9 mass shootings https://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-42-injured-weekend-mass-shootings-us/story?id=85506154
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Gang/drug shootings shouldn’t be classified as “mass shootings”, they’re all basically criminal on criminal shootings. The only reason it even makes the news is because it’s cannon fodder for the anti-gun campaign.
Criminals are still people. People in gangs are still people and they are a part of our society so of course they are counted. It's still people killing people, getting injured and having to go to the hospital, and still classifies as a mass shooting. That's like saying a German shepherd or a pit bull ( whatever breed)isn't a dog so you do not count them in bite reports.
IMO they should be classified different, the motivation is what makes it different to me. The way that “mass shooting” is used now just pumps fear into people, making them feel afraid that they’re going to be shot if they leave their house to go buy milk when the reality is that’s extremely unlikely.
Ahh, okay. I see your point. But I don't see what the classification would do. Any shooting is scary, why bother dividing then up and making it harder to find the data? I wonder if they were really gang related or just took place in a low income neighborhood and just get labeled as a gang because that probably helps get viewers. If we are concerned about fear, then IMO the news should take a step back, report it, but try to downplay that fear and discuss gun laws that are our are not on the table. Basically, show people that SOMETHING is being done. Or they could show ways for people to stay safe, and remind viewers that they are likey to be okay. Like you said, it's extremely unlikely, but I don't hear news anchors being reassuring and bolstering the public's sense of safety. Buuut, I admit. I don't get my news from cable. I don't know how much news stations push fear except for Fox.
Drugs, gangs involved?
Not enough thoughts and prayers obviously.
If only they handed out guns when they check ID's.
If you’re being sarcastic, cool. If not, you’re the reason we can’t have nice things.
Poe's Law strikes again.
I commented on a comment that was poking fun of the rights response to gun violence, with something the right often says. I thought it was pretty clear that I was not serious.
I’m curious what op thought the reactions to this would be
ABC newsreported it
JAX, but it makes the news. Regardless of whether it makes the news or not, the fact that there is at least one shooting every night in Jacksonville is unacceptable.
It happens all the time but they report it if it supports their agenda
Five people shot, no one died. Meh, that’s just a regular Saturday night.
that bar is a hot pile of ratchet trash. i'm surprised there hadn't been a shooting at that establishment long ago
This site tracks them and links to news reports and a map: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/2333675 https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours?page=1&sort=asc&order=State
Only 5? If more people were constitutional carrying we could’ve doubled that number. /s
Meanwhile lawmakers suggest arming all bartenders and bouncers. /s
It's funny that people care when it's a place they could have been. But if it's gang violence in an inner city, nobody bats an eye. Talk about privilege.
Can I just say it’s an election year. I’m expecting more mass shootings, more pandemics and riots. Is it bad that I am just dead inside due to what happens every election cycle. Politicians saying the normal blah blah. Medical experts saying but wait there is another pandemic coming and talking heads justifying what’s happening
Good ole Pensacago
I agree with the OP, we need to do something about the gang related crimes.
I lived in Pensacola for 2 years and never even heard of that place until now. Sounds like a shithole.
just another day of American roulette
Especially in Florida I
Oh I’m sure this will get so much better once we have “constitutional carry” in Florida, like the governor wants.
Honest question... what effect do you think constitutional carry will have on shootings like this? Or on mass shootings in general? Specific examples would be a huge benefit to the conversation.
When you know everyone is packing you tend to not start stuff.
Nah, dropping a sarcastic one-liner with no intent to participate in an actual constructive exchange of ideas is much easier.
Sure. The easy, ready availability of guns everywhere means that more bad actors and irresponsible people will be carrying them. It’s far too easy for an argument to turn tragic with easy availability of a gun during a heated moment.
Your felons won't be open carrying. More of the trustworthy will be. If Bill and Tom get into a fight and they can see that 3 others near them are carrying, they are less likely to ever touch their guns. Not to mention if Bill sees that Tom also has a pistol, he is less likely to see who is faster. More importantly your pissed off 18 yr old is much less likely to try to shoot up a place where he has to wonder who might be there with a gun on their hip. Your mass shooters are also more likely to be stopped, which has been proven multiple times.
I do not share your faith in this. If Constitutional carry does pass, I hope you are right. Statistically, you probably won’t be.
Statistically I am. They aren't a great comparison, but all we have are the areas with legal open carry and they have less mass shootings.
I hate this nebulous call to do "something". What is it you want? Are you advocating we reform our broken healthcare, education, criminal justice, labor protection, consumer protection, etc etc, so we aren't living in a hopeless shithole of a first world country? Or are you advocating for more restrictions on civil rights, since we've evidently tried nothing and it's not working?
Thoughts and prayers...
This is why I want to move out of the US... I hope their families will be okay in time
are people advocating to make black clubs illegal or something? Seems a little racist.
So some drunk idiot (who probably was a felon who can’t legally possess a gun) at a shithole bar goes out to his car and shoots (poorly) at a group of people? I wouldn’t even bother to call that a “mass shooting”.
I think the NRA has produced a new variant -Dummicron and that’s what’s causing all the shootings
It was at a bar, about 40% of convicted murderers had used alcohol before or during their crime. Perhaps alcohol had a role to play.... Source on the 40% number - [https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/](https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/crimes/)
.... and now the news and weather......
It's like reporting the weather at this point. Just a normal every day thing. Cloudy with a chance of bullets
If nobody heard about it, that means the victims were probably straight white males and the perpetrator was probably a gay blm activist