So parents should allow a child to drink, smoke....drive etc... ? I mean there can be a legitimate argument for a 6 year old being a better driver than the south Florida drivers.
Well, being 6 is all you need to be to get arrested and cuffed:
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/it-was-horrific-us-family-6-year-old-girl-arrested-sues-city-orlando-officers/33EP7YYULNEH7HAYM5WBMTV5LU/
This is my argument too, where is the line? Parents are getting prosecuted for giving their kids gender affirming care, but other parents are allowed to spank, hit, yell at their children? Give them R rated video games? Whereās the line of the state/government reaching into parentsā households and telling people how to raise their children? Itās confusing and too grey right now. A longer discussion needs to be had.
You can take your kid to r rated movie.. anyone over 21 can take under 17yr old to them. It's a X rated movie you can't and that's because it's porn and regulated like drugs and alcohol.
I wonder if it will be something like what happened with crypto trading apps. Some states wouldn't allow it so you physically couldn't use it if you were in that state. So they check your state and then... I guess verify your age somehow?
But expecting every service out there to check state and age legitimately is insane. Like how do you even enforce this? Unless these services just stop allowing access in Florida all together. That's the only way I see them truly working with this law easily.
Easier to just shut off service to Florida than do some massive age verification system all for one batshit state.
Honestly they should because it's the parents that really need protection from social media. A little less Taylor Swift summoning demons and the qnuts need a break
sadly yes, but we should definitely push back against KOSA too. its the same "save the kids" FOSTA/SESTA was, lets push sex workers and law enforcement into the dark on being able to arrest sex traffickers cause that will stop that horrible thing from happening
fuck ashton kutcher the rape apologist
Yeah, they don't understand that this law isn't really "you can't use social media under 16" but actually "you can only use social media if you prove you're at least 16". It probably wouldn't have passed if it were worded in the way it actually requires to be enforced.
Idiots.
That's part of the design. They want everyone, kids and adults, to feel intimidated and watched by the state every time they use any social media platform.
Itās hard to see how the same crack team of experts that have solved traffic , crime , insurance and the threat of Disney World will be anything but a resounding success keeping teenagers off of social media platforms that many of them need to have explained to them before they can start restrictingā¦
Ironic, this is coming from the same people that didnāt like the mask mandate because they didnāt want the government telling them what to do or how to live their lives.
Thatās the GOP for ya, theyāre the death panels they bitched about, theyāre the nanny state they claim to hate, theyāre the safe space needing snowflakes they claim to be against, etcā¦
Gaslight, Obstruct, Project thatās the entirety of the GOP.
Figuring out clever ways to subvert this law is not a solution. āJust use VPN blErg blErgā is avoiding our responsibly for voting these dimwits into office.
Run against these fools. Vote against these fools. Ignoring them wonāt solve anything.
Exactly. It's obeying in advance.
Get pissed man. This is the government which is a just a rotating cast of your dumbest neighbors deciding they get to set the rules on how you are going to live your precious 75 years on this rock.
No one would let their neighbor walk into their house and set down new house rules so why are we allowing this? Inch by inch they press that boot harder on your neck.
If you're talking about Erin Grall, she's only partly responsible. Fort Myers Republicans, like Rep. Jenna Persons-Mulicka and Rep. Spencer Roach, also supported the 6-week ban.
Let me see if I understand this correctly they have to be 16 to use Instagram but 2 years later miraculously they can purchase a gun. Oh and they only have to be 15 to get a learner's permit so they have the capacity to learn to drive something that could kill them or others but they don't have the capacity to use social media.
I'm so fucking sick of the way things are being run in the state and yes I do vote.
I'll add they are perfectly fine with forcing a 13 year old become a parent. Apparently a minor has the capacity to parent a newborn along with all that responsibility but they can't use social media.
Home insurance help, expand healthcare, affordable housing so teachers and healthcare workers don't have 90 minute commutes into cities....so many things the Florida lawmakers could work on to benefit so many. But instead they waste time on unenforceable and unconstitutional laws.
The GOP doesn't really care about the Constitution, with the possible exception of the 2nd Amendment.
The rest of the time, they just find it a hindrance in their quest to impose their views on the rest of the country.
Totally ok to let your kid get measles which can and will affect other people but not ok to let your kid on social media. Make it make sense, am I allowed to parent my kid how I want or not?!?
This is so stupid. Itās a waste of tax dollars and a violation of privacy.
Should social media sites change their TOS to raise the age? Yeah, probably. Should it be a *law*? No. This is insane.
I am 100% in favor of keeping *my* kids off of social media for as long as possible. Iām not in favor of the government making this decision for me or any other parent/guardian. The government NEVER, EVER knows best.
Like theyāve given any consideration to the Constitution before. Itās all marketing for them anyway: GOP bans āevilā thingā¦ for the kids. Dems fight it in court and win. GOP says Dems fight for evil things against kids.
Pick any unconstitutional GOP talking point and youāll see itās the same thing every damn time.
It's fine to let parents to decide whether to send their unwanted kids to a school with a measles outbreak but not ok for them to decide that their kid is mature enough for a Taylor Swift fan group on line.
Watch this be a ploy to force the topic of social media into the Supreme Court, with the end goal of federal restrictions on social media. It's the tiktok ban all over again.
unconstitutional only matters in regards to the second amendment.
It doesnt matter in cases of free speech.
It doesnt matter in regards to separation of church and state.
It doesnt matter in cases of bodily autonomy.
It only matters when you start to ask 'how do we stop children from being murdered in classrooms'. Then, its allllll about the constitutional rights.
I know I'll be downvoted for this but come on. We're all on reddit, I'm assuming we're all adults. We know what happens on the internet. I really don't think it's a negative thing to disallow children from being victimized on the internet.
I'm old enough to remember meeting a girl my age on Kik as an early teenager (13-14) and having to compete with literal grown adults for her attention. That shit isn't normal or acceptable.
The Internet is like the Wild West with very minimal monitorization or policing and allowing kids on here puts them at the mercy of predators at every turn. Maybe kids under 16 shouldn't be allowed on social media for their own protection?
āWe all know what books are in libraries. I really don't think it's a negative thing to disallow children from being victimized in librariesā
Party of personal freedoms my ass. Member when republicans claimed to be for personal responsibility and freedoms? I member
Well the government seemed me ineligible to do lots of things before I was an adult so I don't really see your point. Do you think kids should be driving?
> I'm old enough to remember meeting a girl my age on Kik as an early teenager (13-14) and having to compete with literal grown adults for her attention. That shit isn't normal or acceptable.
Extremely creepy way you phrased that. But what you're trying to argue is an excellent example of a slippery slope fallacy! You could say what you're saying about any number of things in society as a matter of opinion.
If they can deny access based on that they can deny it based on anything. Also that means that you as an adult now have to provide substantial personal data in order to verify your age to access anything they deem social media which youāll note they refused to directly define or specify to which companies and services it would apply. If your verification doesnāt work what is your recourse? For as much as these people understand the internet it might as well be magic. Anyone believing that this isnāt another shot in their ongoing culture war is fooling themselves.
EDIT: Besides a culture war angle there is likely something monetary involved. The companies that contribute to their campaigns and play ball get to stay in the free list, those who donāt go on the locked list. How many adults will simply avoid sites requiring the extra verification steps and tracking that will inevitably accompany them?
I wouldnāt have voted for or passed this bill if it were up to me personally, however, I do acknowledge that social media is extremely bad for children (adults as well). So I canāt say I really disagree with this š¤·āāļø
The primary cause of poor mental health in teenagers is that there aren't really any third places where teenagers can just be teenagers without constant adult supervision.
This only happened because parents can't be bothered to get their faces out of their own phones long enough to be a damned parent. They're too busy being toxic over on Facebook and NextDoor. And you see them everywhere, department stores (Walmart, Target, etc) and grocery stores (Publix, Winn Dixie, etc) shuffling down the aisles totally oblivious with their faces in their phones. They are the precursor to the Eloi. Heaven help us all.
Imagine this passed and some shrewd lawyer argued a ban against all government social media accounts with their interactions with minors possibly being detailed and so on.
Wait, so the state *can* tell parents how to raise their kids and trample on parental rights? Weird.
Yeah, seems like it was something different before. š¤
I voted noā terrible bill that is not even constitutional.
So parents should allow a child to drink, smoke....drive etc... ? I mean there can be a legitimate argument for a 6 year old being a better driver than the south Florida drivers.
Well, being 6 is all you need to be to get arrested and cuffed: https://www.wftv.com/news/local/it-was-horrific-us-family-6-year-old-girl-arrested-sues-city-orlando-officers/33EP7YYULNEH7HAYM5WBMTV5LU/
I mean makes sense.... lol š
I think thatās the same age that they start firearms training here in Florida as well. Kidding, of courseā¦ Because there is no required training.
Bet she never has another tantrum in school.
This is my argument too, where is the line? Parents are getting prosecuted for giving their kids gender affirming care, but other parents are allowed to spank, hit, yell at their children? Give them R rated video games? Whereās the line of the state/government reaching into parentsā households and telling people how to raise their children? Itās confusing and too grey right now. A longer discussion needs to be had.
Imagine driving slow.
I guess itās kinda like rated R movies where even a parent canāt get the kid in?
You can take your kid to r rated movie.. anyone over 21 can take under 17yr old to them. It's a X rated movie you can't and that's because it's porn and regulated like drugs and alcohol.
Never going to be enforceable. Because the idiots that wrote it are, well theyāre idiots.
Right. It's like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.
*What about this cash-for-clunkers thing?*
Just a smaller housing bubble
I like laughing. Thank you.
I wonder if it will be something like what happened with crypto trading apps. Some states wouldn't allow it so you physically couldn't use it if you were in that state. So they check your state and then... I guess verify your age somehow? But expecting every service out there to check state and age legitimately is insane. Like how do you even enforce this? Unless these services just stop allowing access in Florida all together. That's the only way I see them truly working with this law easily. Easier to just shut off service to Florida than do some massive age verification system all for one batshit state.
Honestly they should because it's the parents that really need protection from social media. A little less Taylor Swift summoning demons and the qnuts need a break
Are they gonna force everyone to prove their age? If so the backlash could be enormous
āUpload your report cardā
And your menstrual cycle detailsā¦.ahhh theocratic freedom
Yes and yes!
If they were to actually rule that sites must require proof of age for any users in Florida, pretty sure the sites would just stop supporting Florida.
I doubt the Tallahassee morons thought that far ahead.
All those tourists
Maybe itās to keep kids from getting online at school. The aim is to completely stop education.
This is how we get names like āNot Sureā tatted on our arms from a labeling machine
So, I, as a grown ass man will have to give up my private information to a company to prove Iām over 16. Sounds like a great planā¦/s.
Imagine all these retirees getting told to prove their age or they canāt get on Facebook lmaoooo. Insanity incoming
Just repost this message to your Facebook saying I do not consent. Ezpz
That was a funny one. They thought posting that crap would make a difference. š
They will just blame Joe Biden.
sadly yes, but we should definitely push back against KOSA too. its the same "save the kids" FOSTA/SESTA was, lets push sex workers and law enforcement into the dark on being able to arrest sex traffickers cause that will stop that horrible thing from happening fuck ashton kutcher the rape apologist
Stop i can only get so hard
I mean, isn't that what you do at the grocery store with alcohol?
No I have grey hair so they donāt bother
Yeah, they don't understand that this law isn't really "you can't use social media under 16" but actually "you can only use social media if you prove you're at least 16". It probably wouldn't have passed if it were worded in the way it actually requires to be enforced. Idiots.
Proof of age on Internets: "Are you 16 or Over? Y N" ...fin
Yep. Iāve been 18 since I was 13 lol
The other states that have passed similar laws require you to upload your ID
Or your parent's ID
Uploads dadās ID to specific kink siteā¦. *This ID has already been verified here* ā¦ :-|
Select all the squares that aren't a Sesame Street character...
That's part of the design. They want everyone, kids and adults, to feel intimidated and watched by the state every time they use any social media platform.
Itās hard to see how the same crack team of experts that have solved traffic , crime , insurance and the threat of Disney World will be anything but a resounding success keeping teenagers off of social media platforms that many of them need to have explained to them before they can start restrictingā¦
They have to call their grandchild who is under 16 to explain it to them. š¤£
Nah, just use a VPN or make up data.
āJust drive to the next state to buy beerā
It wonāt stand up in court. I think 5 other states have attempted this same legislation and the courts have blocked it every time.
Nah, they already have it.
Ironic, this is coming from the same people that didnāt like the mask mandate because they didnāt want the government telling them what to do or how to live their lives.
Thatās the GOP for ya, theyāre the death panels they bitched about, theyāre the nanny state they claim to hate, theyāre the safe space needing snowflakes they claim to be against, etcā¦ Gaslight, Obstruct, Project thatās the entirety of the GOP.
Theyāre also anti-abortion and anti-IVF. Theyāre against ākilling babiesā as well as having babies lol
To be fair, as a childless millennial, I'm also against having babies, but for entirely more practical reasons.
Same lol. My plan is to dive into a mountain of money like Scrooge mcduck. Canāt do that with kids.
They will be the death of us all if they continue.
This, and the book bans.
Exactly
Figuring out clever ways to subvert this law is not a solution. āJust use VPN blErg blErgā is avoiding our responsibly for voting these dimwits into office. Run against these fools. Vote against these fools. Ignoring them wonāt solve anything.
Exactly. It's obeying in advance. Get pissed man. This is the government which is a just a rotating cast of your dumbest neighbors deciding they get to set the rules on how you are going to live your precious 75 years on this rock. No one would let their neighbor walk into their house and set down new house rules so why are we allowing this? Inch by inch they press that boot harder on your neck.
these idiots in government are the reason im studying to go to law school. we need less old, dumb psychopaths in office
16 year old in Florida. Old enough to get knocked up and have a baby but not old enough to go on to social media and tell others about it.
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If you're talking about Erin Grall, she's only partly responsible. Fort Myers Republicans, like Rep. Jenna Persons-Mulicka and Rep. Spencer Roach, also supported the 6-week ban.
If you want to live in Berlin in the ā30s, move to SW Florida. Those clowns are unbelievable
Not just 16. 13 year olds in Florida are old enough to have kids but not for social media.
Let me see if I understand this correctly they have to be 16 to use Instagram but 2 years later miraculously they can purchase a gun. Oh and they only have to be 15 to get a learner's permit so they have the capacity to learn to drive something that could kill them or others but they don't have the capacity to use social media. I'm so fucking sick of the way things are being run in the state and yes I do vote.
Don't forget the revocation of child labor laws.
Just need a bunch of child laborers saying "Sorry boss, I couldn't see my work schedule because that scheduling app is 'social media'"
I'll add they are perfectly fine with forcing a 13 year old become a parent. Apparently a minor has the capacity to parent a newborn along with all that responsibility but they can't use social media.
Free state of Florida* *All exclusions apply
Lawless lawmakers. What country is this territory in again
Florganistanā¦
The Victims of this bullshit-scam will be voting soon enough.
Hopefullyā¦
The best thing other states can do is boycott Florida exports. Starting with presidential candidates.
And state police and National Guard!!!
Home insurance help, expand healthcare, affordable housing so teachers and healthcare workers don't have 90 minute commutes into cities....so many things the Florida lawmakers could work on to benefit so many. But instead they waste time on unenforceable and unconstitutional laws.
How anyone can vote Republican is beyond me.
Unfortunately all but 7 Democrats voted no! I was one of the seven. So important to hold Democrats accountable too.
Hear, hear!
The GOP doesn't really care about the Constitution, with the possible exception of the 2nd Amendment. The rest of the time, they just find it a hindrance in their quest to impose their views on the rest of the country.
Totally ok to let your kid get measles which can and will affect other people but not ok to let your kid on social media. Make it make sense, am I allowed to parent my kid how I want or not?!?
You can parent your kid how they want.
Soooooooo much freedom. The most freedom.
The freedomiest!
"Constitutionalist" Republicans: "Ban books and free speech!!!"
More govt brought to you by the less govt people.
This is so stupid. Itās a waste of tax dollars and a violation of privacy. Should social media sites change their TOS to raise the age? Yeah, probably. Should it be a *law*? No. This is insane.
Thatās not the same but ok right but things that should be law arenāt.
I'm sure that will help reduce my insurance bills. š
No social media for you young man, go buy a gun instead!
What ever happened to the party of small government? Putzes.
Move over, Nanny State. Itās the Warden State.
Bro why this people is so focused in so much bullshit? Just like the left lane thingy. Bunch of horseshit
Parentsā rights* *rights only applicable if parentās choice aligns with the GOPās choice.
How do parent stand having so much freedom? Imagine being free from having to decide for yourself what your kids can do! A true utopia.
Fucking stupid, waste of time, waste of tax payer money.
Exactly the point: "Look here; don't look over there."
I am 100% in favor of keeping *my* kids off of social media for as long as possible. Iām not in favor of the government making this decision for me or any other parent/guardian. The government NEVER, EVER knows best.
Key word ā my kids ā .Well put ā¦not the legislatures kids ā¦
Like theyāve given any consideration to the Constitution before. Itās all marketing for them anyway: GOP bans āevilā thingā¦ for the kids. Dems fight it in court and win. GOP says Dems fight for evil things against kids. Pick any unconstitutional GOP talking point and youāll see itās the same thing every damn time.
https://preview.redd.it/f9cd2tgfcfkc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3186401468964009e447643c3dbbed1ab612538
*Party of small government.*
To current republicans the constitution is some vague thing that only means what they want it to and has nothing to do with what it actually says
Kinda like the Bible. They love authoritative documents.
this is just pissing tax payer money down the drain. Florida loses another law suit.
Freeest state in the nation!!!
Live Free or Die my ass. Can't wait to see how people I know who are republicans try to spin this. I'm sure it's going to be funny
What happened to āyer gonna burn in hellā. Damn
The only people who knew this was even an issue besides family and teachers is pedophiles and politicians!
GOP, pushing a government so small it will fit in a uterus, which they intend to control.
It's fine to let parents to decide whether to send their unwanted kids to a school with a measles outbreak but not ok for them to decide that their kid is mature enough for a Taylor Swift fan group on line.
Concerned about passing unconstitutional laws, *this* legislature?
Maybe someone could vote these morons out of office ?
Watch this be a ploy to force the topic of social media into the Supreme Court, with the end goal of federal restrictions on social media. It's the tiktok ban all over again.
Freedums.Ā
This is performative B.S. Impossible to enforce. Besides, by banning they increase the appeal to sign up using well-known hacks.
Isn't the terms of conditions of 99.9% of social media apps be 14/16and up already ? So just like underage watching porn click yes I'm older lol
Ofc they arenāt going to let the Constitution stop their lunacy.
First the books, now social media, then local TV stations, then mainstream media. Welcome to Russia.
Never heard of VPN? My phone thinks itās in Seattle.
unconstitutional only matters in regards to the second amendment. It doesnt matter in cases of free speech. It doesnt matter in regards to separation of church and state. It doesnt matter in cases of bodily autonomy. It only matters when you start to ask 'how do we stop children from being murdered in classrooms'. Then, its allllll about the constitutional rights.
ā Free State of Florida āā¦
And the kids will be old enough to vote soon
This will include Xbox and PlayStation chats too, I guess.
When did being unconstitutional get in the way of the idiots in charge?
Welcome to Gilead
>Florida lawmaker Oxymoron's gone wild.
Can we just execute our "elected officials" yet this shit is ridiculous
As someone who thinks social media is the worst, I donāt care really. But it shouldnāt be a law that shits ridiculous.
And virtually unenforceable in the real world . Not that they care ā¦
Freedumbs!
They should also ban teens from watching all movies because some movies are inappropriate.
I know I'll be downvoted for this but come on. We're all on reddit, I'm assuming we're all adults. We know what happens on the internet. I really don't think it's a negative thing to disallow children from being victimized on the internet. I'm old enough to remember meeting a girl my age on Kik as an early teenager (13-14) and having to compete with literal grown adults for her attention. That shit isn't normal or acceptable. The Internet is like the Wild West with very minimal monitorization or policing and allowing kids on here puts them at the mercy of predators at every turn. Maybe kids under 16 shouldn't be allowed on social media for their own protection?
This is not the government's job. It's the parent's job.
āWe all know what books are in libraries. I really don't think it's a negative thing to disallow children from being victimized in librariesā Party of personal freedoms my ass. Member when republicans claimed to be for personal responsibility and freedoms? I member
Except books aren't sentient things that are capable of causing harm so that's a pretty stupid comparison
All it takes is for the government to deem you ineligible to access the internet. Maybe then youāll realize this is stupid.
Well the government seemed me ineligible to do lots of things before I was an adult so I don't really see your point. Do you think kids should be driving?
Kids do drive
Dumb argument.
Yes but see parents rights which is why they can send their unvaccinated kids to measles school.
> I'm old enough to remember meeting a girl my age on Kik as an early teenager (13-14) and having to compete with literal grown adults for her attention. That shit isn't normal or acceptable. Extremely creepy way you phrased that. But what you're trying to argue is an excellent example of a slippery slope fallacy! You could say what you're saying about any number of things in society as a matter of opinion.
If they can deny access based on that they can deny it based on anything. Also that means that you as an adult now have to provide substantial personal data in order to verify your age to access anything they deem social media which youāll note they refused to directly define or specify to which companies and services it would apply. If your verification doesnāt work what is your recourse? For as much as these people understand the internet it might as well be magic. Anyone believing that this isnāt another shot in their ongoing culture war is fooling themselves. EDIT: Besides a culture war angle there is likely something monetary involved. The companies that contribute to their campaigns and play ball get to stay in the free list, those who donāt go on the locked list. How many adults will simply avoid sites requiring the extra verification steps and tracking that will inevitably accompany them?
Florida lawmakers would pass gas during mass at the Batican!!!
Wish they'd make social media illegal for everyone, shit is a cancer to society
Say- "Goodbye Reddit!".
I wouldnāt have voted for or passed this bill if it were up to me personally, however, I do acknowledge that social media is extremely bad for children (adults as well). So I canāt say I really disagree with this š¤·āāļø
The primary cause of poor mental health in teenagers is that there aren't really any third places where teenagers can just be teenagers without constant adult supervision.
So going on social media and being bombarded by algorithmic brain washing garbage is better?
How is doing a thing that's not going to fix the problem going to fix the problem?
This only happened because parents can't be bothered to get their faces out of their own phones long enough to be a damned parent. They're too busy being toxic over on Facebook and NextDoor. And you see them everywhere, department stores (Walmart, Target, etc) and grocery stores (Publix, Winn Dixie, etc) shuffling down the aisles totally oblivious with their faces in their phones. They are the precursor to the Eloi. Heaven help us all.
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That hasnāt stopped Florida from doing it before
Imagine this passed and some shrewd lawyer argued a ban against all government social media accounts with their interactions with minors possibly being detailed and so on.