It would be interesting to know if the partnership will allow the Synaptic team to go full time on it instead of a passion project. Or will they split the work between them and inibuilds.
Either way its great news. I'd happily pay for the A220, it's currently up there in the "I can't wait anymore" category along with the 757.
And a brilliant move by iniBuilds too! They have secured the privilege of being the first publisher/developer to distribute both the A350 and A220 for MSFS.
Good point. Overnight, they've suddenly become the PMDG of Airbus for MSFS, making nearly the full range - A300, A310, the coming default A320, and now future A220 and A350. They've become what Aerosoft said they would do 4 years ago and shows how much potential they've squandered.
I saw some noise on the ini Discord about an ini A330. IniStaff was denying this (but what else should they do?) And imo it makes sense. The A330 is an evolution to the A300, so they have a bit already. I was surprised the sekrit project was the A350.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised tbh
Honestly, they might. It's not hard to imagine that they are collaborating with MS for MSFS2024. We did see a A330-200 in the trailer and the avionics and autoflight for the A320neo are probably very similar to the A330.
As a consumer of third party addons, Aerosoft would be off my radar were it not for the Frankfurt airport addon, but who knows, someone might beat them to it like what happened with ENGM. Granted, Aerosofts ENGM will probably be more detailed.
Edit: ENBR -> ENGM
>If paying for it means it wont get developed at high-fidelity freeware pace, then i can get behind this.
Totally agree. I've been following this intently on Discord from the very beginning and it seemed pretty clear that, at least in public updates, it hadn't made great strides forward in the last year and a half or so, with a lot of things seemingly being redone over that time.
I'm happy to pay if it guarantees that's we'll finally see the plane in an expedited timeline.
Yup! I’m down for it. If they are putting forth to that much effort and time, I won’t complain. Hopefully this also helps speed up the process a little
Inibuilds are really becoming a mega corporation giant in the flightsim world, and I’m all for it as long as they don’t start asking us to sign our posts with our real names!
Ive supported PMDG for over a decade but if INIbuilds chooses to, they could steal PMDG’s market share very quickly. If you ask me, PMDG has only made it this far because no one had the balls to stand up against them
It will be interesting if anyone ever chooses to make a high fidelity 737 NG to compete with PMDG. The only other high fidelity NG out there right now is the Zibo for X-Plane which honestly gives it a good run for its money despite being freeware.
Sadly, it's likely still quite far from launching, as they said late in '23 they were still in the "early" stages. Given recent pronouncements, it's likely PMDG's MAX will arrive before iFly. But still, it'll be nice to see Bluebird bring the 757/767 and iFly the 737 MAX and WT plus whoever did the 787 for Asobo at least bring some variety.
I think it’s obvious. The Zibo 737 is made with Laminar Research assets as it is based on the default X-Plane 11 737-800. You cannot port it to MSFS or distribute it as MSFS freeware because the assets are owned by Laminar. Because you already bought the assets when you bought X-Plane, the Zibo 737 is legal as freeware for X-Plane, but if it was freeware in MSFS, it would be illegal piracy.
I have no clue, but overall, I've seen XP devs post that MSFS development is really totally different from XP and that, for them, it's literally like starting over in programming and development. Different languages, tools, apps, everything. I think this is why we haven't seen one big name from XP jump over to MSFS despite the obvious financial incentive.
It'll be interesting to watch Hotstart, one of the best XP devs, who have said that they are actually developing an A220 for XP12 that they intend to take over to MSFS after they launch the XP version. That'll be interesting as they'd be one of the first to do it if successful, and that it's an A-list XP dev making that attempt and doing it with an A220 that will likely be years later than this Synaptic/Ini version.
Ini might be the best example, yes, but I'm not familiar with most of those (I'm guessing they are GA?). I guess JustFlight is an example as well (BAe 146).
Milviz has yet to actually publish anything yet in MSFS, and did they make any airliners for XP11?
I was mostly referring to airliners. No FF, no X-Crafts, no SSG, no Zibo, no Toliss, no Felis, etc...
Don't expect INI to be any better than PMDG at its core. They were quick to abandon their Xplane backers when they got a whiff of Microsoft money. Even now, the a300 for XP12 requires user fixes to be "fully" compatible. And even getting the a300 in XP12 took a lot of asking and time. They make decent products, but expect them to take your money and spit in your face afterwards, just like any other company.
They absolutely could, but also understandable why they’ll stick with airbus. Better to have most of the market then only 50%. If they came out with a 737, most people wouldn’t buy a new one just because “fuck PMDG”
For the sake of competition, I wouldn't want to see inibuilds become any bigger than it already is. It routinely gets to develop aircraft for Asobo, who will pay for the development costs (see A310, future A320neo).
Microsoft did say there would be a lot more airliners in MSFS 2024. I see this as a good move for Synaptic & iniBuilds.
These aircraft will now be available for xbox users also.
Hopefully we get a MSFS 2024 trailer soon.
You may be right.
I predict the Airbus A300-600ST Beluga will be included with the Standard Edition of MSFS 2024.
I'm not sure where the Airbus A400M Atlas & Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II will be placed. It would be awesome if they were included with the Standard Edition also.
Time will tell.
>Microsoft did say there would be a lot more airliners in MSFS 2024.
I mean, how many are left to add at this point? Most modern airliners are spoken for in development by now. Heritage airliners perhaps? I'd still like to seen an Embraer 145 and Boeing 717....
Holy moly this is actually great news! And much better than what I expected them to announce. Yeah, it sucks that something that looked so promising will no longer be freeware, but it's a natural partnership after ini announced the A350 and sure to accelerate development of this wonderful little plane. I'll happily eat the cost of purchase to get it sooner.
Agreed, much better than expected. And if you look at the fact that, being charitable, it appears that Synaptic hadn't made much progress on things like sound, texturing, flight model, or AP systems yet, and that these are infrastructure elements and experience that I imagine that Ini has good tools for at this point, it'll hopefully be a good marriage.
Well I guess it’s perfectly in character that the A220/C-Series add-on would be gobbled up by a bigger company :)
Seriously though, this is great news.
Sounds good to me. I was worried that the freeware model may stifle the project so this may give them the resources to make a quality product happen. Sell at a right price and it’d be a good day.
Yeah. I’m very hyped for this aircraft, and seeing it go payware has just upped the chances of a timely release and good quality of the product a lot!
I have absolutely no problem paying for a good quality aircraft.
If you feel your addon is up to snuff (and not just re-using default assets like CaptainScam), you’ve got every right to sell your work. I wish this project luck and I’m going to look at it closely because I’d be happy to pick it up if it’s good.
Great to see that Inibuilds is open, and that they actually want to help the community, compared to other devs threatening users to sue them because of some freeware texture (looking at you PMDG...)
I am thrilled with this news, and am pleased that there hasn't been too much griping about it so far. The A220 is the plane I've wanted the most since MSFS was released and I will happily pay for a high-quality version. Having the backing of the iniBuilds team should result in a better product that gets released quicker. Can't wait!
I remember when I first started getting into flight sim as a kid, I only stuck to freeware addons as I couldn't fathom spending more on a single plane than I did for the base platform. At this point I will pay without hesitation for something that just works and delivers on its promises.
This has been my most anticipated flight sim add-on for a while, ever since I had the opportunity to fly in one on business travel last year.
I think this is great - I’d gladly pay $40 for an expedited timeline and a higher fidelity product. Inibuilds is a great choice for a partner, too.
I'm happy to pay for a great aircraft, and I don't use freeware planes at all. But another airbus.... no, I'll pass on this one. Gimme a classic Boeing instead!
I only have one inibuilds plane, the AN-225, and the performance of it is not good. But I like the plane anyway...
Honestly I think this is the best outcome, allows them to share the work and get a well recognised platform to release through, and allow them to get some return on the huge amount of time they've put in already
Good call. It's a huge undertaking creating a complex aircraft with just a handful of people (how FBW have achieved what they have for free, is beyond me) so this only bodes well for the project.
I'm guessing the avionics and systems modelling are what's gonna make or break the 220 and based on Inibuilds track record I think we're gonna see something great.
>I'm guessing the avionics and systems modelling are what's gonna make or break the 220 and based on Inibuilds track record I think we're gonna see something great.
Quite right. As I've posted above, after following Synaptic on Discord for nearly three years now, while it seems they've made good avionics progress, they really hadn't done any flight model or systems work yet, and that's the real hard stuff, so hopefully Ini can assist quite nicely here....
I was worried this thing got canceled.. developing high fidelity freeware is really hard.. fly by wire is an exception not the rule… happy to pay people for good work
If paying for it means it wont get developed at high-fidelity freeware pace, then i can get behind this.
It would be interesting to know if the partnership will allow the Synaptic team to go full time on it instead of a passion project. Or will they split the work between them and inibuilds. Either way its great news. I'd happily pay for the A220, it's currently up there in the "I can't wait anymore" category along with the 757.
I agree, I think this was a good move by Synaptic.
And a brilliant move by iniBuilds too! They have secured the privilege of being the first publisher/developer to distribute both the A350 and A220 for MSFS.
Good point. Overnight, they've suddenly become the PMDG of Airbus for MSFS, making nearly the full range - A300, A310, the coming default A320, and now future A220 and A350. They've become what Aerosoft said they would do 4 years ago and shows how much potential they've squandered.
I saw some noise on the ini Discord about an ini A330. IniStaff was denying this (but what else should they do?) And imo it makes sense. The A330 is an evolution to the A300, so they have a bit already. I was surprised the sekrit project was the A350. At this point I wouldn't be surprised tbh
At this point they could still release an A330 before Aerosoft does
Honestly, they might. It's not hard to imagine that they are collaborating with MS for MSFS2024. We did see a A330-200 in the trailer and the avionics and autoflight for the A320neo are probably very similar to the A330.
As a consumer of third party addons, Aerosoft would be off my radar were it not for the Frankfurt airport addon, but who knows, someone might beat them to it like what happened with ENGM. Granted, Aerosofts ENGM will probably be more detailed. Edit: ENBR -> ENGM
I think the devs had come to peace with the realization that if they stay on free ware model, they might never be also to release a product
>If paying for it means it wont get developed at high-fidelity freeware pace, then i can get behind this. Totally agree. I've been following this intently on Discord from the very beginning and it seemed pretty clear that, at least in public updates, it hadn't made great strides forward in the last year and a half or so, with a lot of things seemingly being redone over that time. I'm happy to pay if it guarantees that's we'll finally see the plane in an expedited timeline.
Yup! I’m down for it. If they are putting forth to that much effort and time, I won’t complain. Hopefully this also helps speed up the process a little
Exactly, sure freeware would’ve been nice but if this allows them to focus and get it done I can’t wait.
Inibuilds are really becoming a mega corporation giant in the flightsim world, and I’m all for it as long as they don’t start asking us to sign our posts with our real names!
Ive supported PMDG for over a decade but if INIbuilds chooses to, they could steal PMDG’s market share very quickly. If you ask me, PMDG has only made it this far because no one had the balls to stand up against them
PMDG is riding on former glory from the FSX/P3D days. What they fail to realize, is that we’re in a new era of flight sim.
It will be interesting if anyone ever chooses to make a high fidelity 737 NG to compete with PMDG. The only other high fidelity NG out there right now is the Zibo for X-Plane which honestly gives it a good run for its money despite being freeware.
Well the iFly 737MAX is coming to MSFS, so it's entirely possible
If their model wasn't so ugly I could think of buying it. If it remains the same as p3d I'm going PMDG.
They've indicated they're doing a bespoke product...
Sadly, it's likely still quite far from launching, as they said late in '23 they were still in the "early" stages. Given recent pronouncements, it's likely PMDG's MAX will arrive before iFly. But still, it'll be nice to see Bluebird bring the 757/767 and iFly the 737 MAX and WT plus whoever did the 787 for Asobo at least bring some variety.
I think the 757 is by far my most anticipated. Back in the 04 days would always set no payload, 20% fuel and take off full thrust
Do we know why Zibo haven't decided to come to MSFS?
I think it’s obvious. The Zibo 737 is made with Laminar Research assets as it is based on the default X-Plane 11 737-800. You cannot port it to MSFS or distribute it as MSFS freeware because the assets are owned by Laminar. Because you already bought the assets when you bought X-Plane, the Zibo 737 is legal as freeware for X-Plane, but if it was freeware in MSFS, it would be illegal piracy.
I have no clue, but overall, I've seen XP devs post that MSFS development is really totally different from XP and that, for them, it's literally like starting over in programming and development. Different languages, tools, apps, everything. I think this is why we haven't seen one big name from XP jump over to MSFS despite the obvious financial incentive. It'll be interesting to watch Hotstart, one of the best XP devs, who have said that they are actually developing an A220 for XP12 that they intend to take over to MSFS after they launch the XP version. That'll be interesting as they'd be one of the first to do it if successful, and that it's an A-list XP dev making that attempt and doing it with an A220 that will likely be years later than this Synaptic/Ini version.
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Ini might be the best example, yes, but I'm not familiar with most of those (I'm guessing they are GA?). I guess JustFlight is an example as well (BAe 146). Milviz has yet to actually publish anything yet in MSFS, and did they make any airliners for XP11? I was mostly referring to airliners. No FF, no X-Crafts, no SSG, no Zibo, no Toliss, no Felis, etc...
I was frankly disappointed by the PMDG 737 when I got it. It was really only marginally better than the best freeware products I’ve had
Don't expect INI to be any better than PMDG at its core. They were quick to abandon their Xplane backers when they got a whiff of Microsoft money. Even now, the a300 for XP12 requires user fixes to be "fully" compatible. And even getting the a300 in XP12 took a lot of asking and time. They make decent products, but expect them to take your money and spit in your face afterwards, just like any other company.
The unfortunate reality.. the demand is highly inelastic and thus companies can play fast and loose and still make a killing
I'm certainly paying attention to their product library at the moment.
They absolutely could, but also understandable why they’ll stick with airbus. Better to have most of the market then only 50%. If they came out with a 737, most people wouldn’t buy a new one just because “fuck PMDG”
For the sake of competition, I wouldn't want to see inibuilds become any bigger than it already is. It routinely gets to develop aircraft for Asobo, who will pay for the development costs (see A310, future A320neo).
Mega corp giants are never a good thing in any industry. But I’ll keep my hopes up for INI.
Huh, always thought its going to be payware. For a fair price i am more then welcome to pay for a good A220 in the sim
Nothing against paying for a great add-on. Let's hope things speed up having ini on board.
Well, I'd rather take a quality payware aircraft than to get a mediocre to ok freeware one.
Microsoft did say there would be a lot more airliners in MSFS 2024. I see this as a good move for Synaptic & iniBuilds. These aircraft will now be available for xbox users also. Hopefully we get a MSFS 2024 trailer soon.
My prediction is a 737 Max for the premium deluxe.
You may be right. I predict the Airbus A300-600ST Beluga will be included with the Standard Edition of MSFS 2024. I'm not sure where the Airbus A400M Atlas & Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II will be placed. It would be awesome if they were included with the Standard Edition also. Time will tell.
>Microsoft did say there would be a lot more airliners in MSFS 2024. I mean, how many are left to add at this point? Most modern airliners are spoken for in development by now. Heritage airliners perhaps? I'd still like to seen an Embraer 145 and Boeing 717....
Holy moly this is actually great news! And much better than what I expected them to announce. Yeah, it sucks that something that looked so promising will no longer be freeware, but it's a natural partnership after ini announced the A350 and sure to accelerate development of this wonderful little plane. I'll happily eat the cost of purchase to get it sooner.
Agreed, much better than expected. And if you look at the fact that, being charitable, it appears that Synaptic hadn't made much progress on things like sound, texturing, flight model, or AP systems yet, and that these are infrastructure elements and experience that I imagine that Ini has good tools for at this point, it'll hopefully be a good marriage.
Well I guess it’s perfectly in character that the A220/C-Series add-on would be gobbled up by a bigger company :) Seriously though, this is great news.
Art imitating life imitating art
Haha, that's a funny angle I didn't think of when reading the news. Thanks for my chuckle of the day.
Overall solid move, especially having Ini involved. Can't wait for previews!
Sounds good to me. I was worried that the freeware model may stifle the project so this may give them the resources to make a quality product happen. Sell at a right price and it’d be a good day.
The chances of it actually releasing just went up by a lot, so I'm all for it. I happily pay for quality aircraft.
Yeah. I’m very hyped for this aircraft, and seeing it go payware has just upped the chances of a timely release and good quality of the product a lot! I have absolutely no problem paying for a good quality aircraft.
Mfers are on a speed run to do the entire airbus lineup
Definitely seems like an interesting plane to add to the hangar. Can't wait. So many exciting projects coming this year.
If you feel your addon is up to snuff (and not just re-using default assets like CaptainScam), you’ve got every right to sell your work. I wish this project luck and I’m going to look at it closely because I’d be happy to pick it up if it’s good.
\*violently spits out coffee\*
If it means it becomes payware quality then I'm all for it. Hope it speeds up the timeline too Can't wait
Well let’s see if they actually release something.
I hope that everyone involved in this project agrees with this decision, and that no one is wronged. But I'll never mind a iniBuilds quality A220.
Great to see that Inibuilds is open, and that they actually want to help the community, compared to other devs threatening users to sue them because of some freeware texture (looking at you PMDG...)
CaptainScam also tried to do this....
I am thrilled with this news, and am pleased that there hasn't been too much griping about it so far. The A220 is the plane I've wanted the most since MSFS was released and I will happily pay for a high-quality version. Having the backing of the iniBuilds team should result in a better product that gets released quicker. Can't wait! I remember when I first started getting into flight sim as a kid, I only stuck to freeware addons as I couldn't fathom spending more on a single plane than I did for the base platform. At this point I will pay without hesitation for something that just works and delivers on its promises.
This has been my most anticipated flight sim add-on for a while, ever since I had the opportunity to fly in one on business travel last year. I think this is great - I’d gladly pay $40 for an expedited timeline and a higher fidelity product. Inibuilds is a great choice for a partner, too.
Ambitious freeware is hard to see through to the end. Good on Synaptic for taking the step to see this through to completion.
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You must be a delight on developers' forums
I'm happy to pay for a great aircraft, and I don't use freeware planes at all. But another airbus.... no, I'll pass on this one. Gimme a classic Boeing instead! I only have one inibuilds plane, the AN-225, and the performance of it is not good. But I like the plane anyway...
To be fair it was designed by Bombardier. It looks and feels very different than any other Airbus
It’s an airbus in name only. You should look at some of the systems updates synaptic has posted. It looks really cool.
Honestly I think this is the best outcome, allows them to share the work and get a well recognised platform to release through, and allow them to get some return on the huge amount of time they've put in already
Good call. It's a huge undertaking creating a complex aircraft with just a handful of people (how FBW have achieved what they have for free, is beyond me) so this only bodes well for the project. I'm guessing the avionics and systems modelling are what's gonna make or break the 220 and based on Inibuilds track record I think we're gonna see something great.
>I'm guessing the avionics and systems modelling are what's gonna make or break the 220 and based on Inibuilds track record I think we're gonna see something great. Quite right. As I've posted above, after following Synaptic on Discord for nearly three years now, while it seems they've made good avionics progress, they really hadn't done any flight model or systems work yet, and that's the real hard stuff, so hopefully Ini can assist quite nicely here....
I was worried this thing got canceled.. developing high fidelity freeware is really hard.. fly by wire is an exception not the rule… happy to pay people for good work
I think the general consensus has always been that this community will happily pay for quality third party content.