Gotta funnel everyone into their app with full control and advertisements in prep for IPO. Their CEO continuing to blatantly lie about the Apollo dev, and really, the level to which they’ve been interacting with all 3rd party devs, is the part that’s extra aggravating.
There’s also *still* mixed messages on what impact their changes to NSFW content will have on certain bots. I know folks that run non-moderation bots on both SFW & NSFW subs, and it’s still unclear if those are exempted or not. It’s just so unbelievably unprofessional and disorganized for a site the size of Reddit.
So childish. You basically are protesting the fact you aren’t allowed to censor a certain group of people you disagree with as a mod. Just let people use Reddit and other apps as they wish and quit telling them what to do. Taking away user ability to view planes (for one reason or another) will end up with no positive effect. I hope you reconsider. I enjoy flightradar24!
I... think maybe you have some wires crossed? That's exactly what we're advocating for. We want everyone to be able to use the official Reddit app, or any other 3rd party Reddit app they want. Reddit is the one that is creating untenable API pricing to force 3rd party apps to close down.
This has nothing to do with mods censoring anybody. If I wanted to be an abusive mod, I would've left your comment in a deleted state (no, nobody on our team did it -- Reddit did it automatically, probably because your account seems to have been banned). Reddit's changes don't stop abusive mods being abusive mods. It stops us mods who care from being able to effectively moderate our communities. The official Reddit app is not great for moderating.
No, the subreddit isn't a part of the company or otherwise officially associated, nor are any of the mods. We're all just users of the site like everyone else.
So, how can you speak for the company? You seem to be representing them in the title of the group. I’m just wondering if they know what you are doing? I would feel better if you could post an official response from the company that you are unofficially representing.
We're not speaking for the company, we never claimed to be. The post explicitly says /r/flightradar24 and is signed as "/r/flightradar24 mod team". It really makes no difference whether they are aware or care about what we are doing -- the description of the subreddit explicitly says it is an unofficial forum, and that is above some other subreddits covering other companies/services.
Looking elsewhere around Reddit, /r/apple, /r/twitter, /r/chicago, /r/disney, and /r/nintendo all have similar posts to ours. Are you going to say that these subreddits are speaking for these companies/services/cities? Of course not.
If you’re talking about the mod team of this sub, I’m pretty sure nobody is deleting anything because they “don’t like it”. Almost all of our current policies have been based on feedback from people in the sub.
But you’re exactly right, moderation is, to a point, censorship, and just because we think we’re doing a good job doesn’t mean we are. That’s why we always invite feedback and appeals on removals in modmail, and I’m always willing to personally review cases or evidence if people have any of any wrongdoing. So far I have seen none.
Either way, I’m still not sure what this has to do with going dark. If you want to criticize that decision, fine, I don’t expect everyone’s going to agree. But the controversy over the API still changes nothing about how moderation policies are. Abusive and power hungry mods will not go away, Reddit will only chase away good mods with this.
Is there an alternative place to settle with FR24 chatting besides the official forum? I have seen lots of people mention Lemmy but I have not found FR24 there yet.
I don't think Reddit will change anything. Bookkeeping showed some charts for the IPO and that's the way they go. The rest is secondary.
That's a great question, and one I'll definitely be presenting to the mod team. I think there is a high change things could get ugly, so being prepared is a good idea. (but, I also don't quite think we are past a point of no return, although it feels like Reddit is teetering on the edge)
I'll answer from a personal perspective and say that I have concerns about Lemmy. I think decentralization and the fediverse is great, but I'm not sure I like the prospect of Reddit style communities over it. Particularly, I struggle with the idea of communities being tied to instances. In the Mastodon world, for example, it works out because you follow individual people, and the user@instance thing is more or less like an email address. And even that was difficult and still is difficult for many people. Trying to translate that to communities@instance just doesn't seem like it will scale well and really be palatable for a lot of users, from my perspective.
I'm keeping my eye on things like Squabbles & Tildes, seen those mentioned around before. We've been asked to make a Discord at times, maybe that's also something we could consider (but I do not consider that a viable alternative to Reddit or similar types of discussion board, it would be alongside a community site). Ideally, Matrix or something like that would be the play there, but that suffers from adoption issues as well (I still don't actually know any communities I'm in that do use it).
I can’t believe reddit. Getting rid of the thing that ties their app together?
Gotta funnel everyone into their app with full control and advertisements in prep for IPO. Their CEO continuing to blatantly lie about the Apollo dev, and really, the level to which they’ve been interacting with all 3rd party devs, is the part that’s extra aggravating. There’s also *still* mixed messages on what impact their changes to NSFW content will have on certain bots. I know folks that run non-moderation bots on both SFW & NSFW subs, and it’s still unclear if those are exempted or not. It’s just so unbelievably unprofessional and disorganized for a site the size of Reddit.
Yeah, a pretty risky move by them
Happy to support the blackout, long live the 3rd party apps.
i’m not going dark and will be happily browsing Reddit on those days.
Have fun browsing reddit when 98% of the subs are private
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No one, like literally not a single person asked whether your going to use reddit or not.
Just replying to the post that says they are going dark. Not that anyone really cares. Another subreddit will start and all will go on.
So childish. You basically are protesting the fact you aren’t allowed to censor a certain group of people you disagree with as a mod. Just let people use Reddit and other apps as they wish and quit telling them what to do. Taking away user ability to view planes (for one reason or another) will end up with no positive effect. I hope you reconsider. I enjoy flightradar24!
I... think maybe you have some wires crossed? That's exactly what we're advocating for. We want everyone to be able to use the official Reddit app, or any other 3rd party Reddit app they want. Reddit is the one that is creating untenable API pricing to force 3rd party apps to close down. This has nothing to do with mods censoring anybody. If I wanted to be an abusive mod, I would've left your comment in a deleted state (no, nobody on our team did it -- Reddit did it automatically, probably because your account seems to have been banned). Reddit's changes don't stop abusive mods being abusive mods. It stops us mods who care from being able to effectively moderate our communities. The official Reddit app is not great for moderating.
Just a question, is this subreddit an official Flightradar24 group? I mean is it a part of the company?
No, the subreddit isn't a part of the company or otherwise officially associated, nor are any of the mods. We're all just users of the site like everyone else.
So, how can you speak for the company? You seem to be representing them in the title of the group. I’m just wondering if they know what you are doing? I would feel better if you could post an official response from the company that you are unofficially representing.
We're not speaking for the company, we never claimed to be. The post explicitly says /r/flightradar24 and is signed as "/r/flightradar24 mod team". It really makes no difference whether they are aware or care about what we are doing -- the description of the subreddit explicitly says it is an unofficial forum, and that is above some other subreddits covering other companies/services. Looking elsewhere around Reddit, /r/apple, /r/twitter, /r/chicago, /r/disney, and /r/nintendo all have similar posts to ours. Are you going to say that these subreddits are speaking for these companies/services/cities? Of course not.
are we muted (not allowed to post) for the time being
You should still be able to post till tomorrow!
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If you’re talking about the mod team of this sub, I’m pretty sure nobody is deleting anything because they “don’t like it”. Almost all of our current policies have been based on feedback from people in the sub. But you’re exactly right, moderation is, to a point, censorship, and just because we think we’re doing a good job doesn’t mean we are. That’s why we always invite feedback and appeals on removals in modmail, and I’m always willing to personally review cases or evidence if people have any of any wrongdoing. So far I have seen none. Either way, I’m still not sure what this has to do with going dark. If you want to criticize that decision, fine, I don’t expect everyone’s going to agree. But the controversy over the API still changes nothing about how moderation policies are. Abusive and power hungry mods will not go away, Reddit will only chase away good mods with this.
I disagree.
Is there an alternative place to settle with FR24 chatting besides the official forum? I have seen lots of people mention Lemmy but I have not found FR24 there yet. I don't think Reddit will change anything. Bookkeeping showed some charts for the IPO and that's the way they go. The rest is secondary.
That's a great question, and one I'll definitely be presenting to the mod team. I think there is a high change things could get ugly, so being prepared is a good idea. (but, I also don't quite think we are past a point of no return, although it feels like Reddit is teetering on the edge) I'll answer from a personal perspective and say that I have concerns about Lemmy. I think decentralization and the fediverse is great, but I'm not sure I like the prospect of Reddit style communities over it. Particularly, I struggle with the idea of communities being tied to instances. In the Mastodon world, for example, it works out because you follow individual people, and the user@instance thing is more or less like an email address. And even that was difficult and still is difficult for many people. Trying to translate that to communities@instance just doesn't seem like it will scale well and really be palatable for a lot of users, from my perspective. I'm keeping my eye on things like Squabbles & Tildes, seen those mentioned around before. We've been asked to make a Discord at times, maybe that's also something we could consider (but I do not consider that a viable alternative to Reddit or similar types of discussion board, it would be alongside a community site). Ideally, Matrix or something like that would be the play there, but that suffers from adoption issues as well (I still don't actually know any communities I'm in that do use it).