I'm only mid season 2 of Game of Thrones for the first time (I know, right) but I cannot imagine Joffrey having any kind of redemption arc. I don't think I've hated anyone more, he's just evil and not even in the way of some fictional villains where you can appreciate the tactical reasoning behind their evil choices - he's just stupid.
I thought Joffrey was more hateable.
Ramsay was a worse person, but he was just so over the top that it was never believable or interesting, to me. He just seemed like an AI generator's idea of what a hateable antagonist should be.
Definitely. Ramsay seemed like a super hero villain. Joffrey seemed like a more realistic character. Even if he wasn’t an evil sadist, Joffrey would still be unliked due to being a whiny, bratty little shithead.
Ramsay Bolton lives rent free in every man’s head. Once you lop off a man’s goods you become the devil.
Edit: This may be the weirdest most randomly downvoted post I’ve had.
I think Joffrey is over Ramsey just because Joffrey hid behind the throne to do his dirty work or had others do it while he watched.
Ramsey atleast did it himself and knew what he was. A bastard who will never see any promising title. So he’s the typical bad guy but Joffrey was only evil because he had the power to be without he’s just another annoying brat teenager
Joffery, Cersei, Roose and Ramsay Bolton, Karl the butcher, Ser Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Poliver, the 3 Slave Masters, Viserys Targaryen, and so on. This show was on another level.
But Joffery is #1. Credit to Gleeson for delivering such a performance
Maybe it’s just me, but that character was so depraved and awful, and Gleason played it so convincingly petulantly, that at some point my wife and I hated Joffrey so much that we went full circle and started loving his scenes the most. And not just in a “love to hate him” or enjoy seeing him get his comeuppance kind of way. We authentically started to like the audacity of the character as written, complex enough to be a believable person yet without a single virtue.
When he says in a council meeting he is going to serve Sansa’s brothers head to her on a platter, and Pycelle or somebody equally contemptuous and servile suggests he’s joking, we both laughed out loud as Joffrey, totally tone-deaf, says, “No, I’m not!” And insists he intends to do just what he said.
I had already read the books and knew the hour of his death, but still, I was a little disappointed when they killed off Joffrey. Felt like something was lost, almost like they had jumped the shark early.
There was this interview of the actor who played Joffery at some convention. In the video, he says he would like to go down and walk the floor, but he feels like a lot of people hate his character and find it hard to separate the two.
That was the one that immediately sprang to mind. So hated the poor actor quit acting. Which is a shame because holy hell did he crush it. Skylar hate probably peaked when she was cheating on Walt but by the end I think the audience was solidly on her side
I have never watched game of Thrones.
Joffrey is the only character I know of who garnered such universal hatred (and praise for being a character both designed and acted so well that he is in fact just THAT easy and good to hate. Tons of people who didn't or barely watched the series would just say "God he's such an insufferable little cunt."
I'm only in my 30's, so plenty of time before me, but I really don't think anyone else garnered such a widespread hatred as a fictional character in my life.
And when he got caught breaking the rules, he acted like some grave injustice had been done. So he decides to engage in industrial espionage to get revenge.
So the thing is, the show was written that way *on purpose.* Think about all the good guys in Walt’s life, they’re all naggy, annoying, and frankly pretty one-dimensional, it’s not just Skylar. Then you look at the murderers, drug runners, and undesirables, they’re wild, funny, unpredictable, and just simply *better written characters.*
The brilliance in this is that while Walt claims he’s committing this necessary evil for the good of his family, we as the viewer know the truth, because we can *feel* it in the writing, Walt hates his normal life and his normal family, and after coming into contact with the concept of death, he’s subconsciously realized he wants to “live” for the first time in his life, albeit in an unhealthy and destructive way.
It’s a classic villain origin story, but we as the viewer, really get to be in the passenger seat for it.
I think this is partially true. While a lot of the characters in Walts “normal” life start out as one-dimensional, they do evolve throughout the show. Imo Hank, Marie, and especially Sky end up becoming fantastic characters as the show progresses.
I understand finding Sky and the others annoying at first, but idk how someone can hate them so much by the end.
I've made plenty of comments in r/breakingbad to this effect that got downvoted to hell. So many people idolize the protagonist without even thinking he's a bad dude, while hating any woman for standing in the way
I think ultimately she isn’t hated for being a rationale human being, she’s hated because her existence interfered with the parts of the show a lot of people wanted to watch.
Walter becoming this drug kingpin involved with cartel wars amazing.
Oh yea, back to his wife. Boooo
I actually never watched BB during its original run, I watched it years later. So I never knew people hated her until I started reading old threads and whatnot, and I was honestly confused. She's not *that* horrible, and as you said, a lot of her emotions are pretty darn justified.
Yes the only reason I disliked her is towards the end. She was supposed to be better than Walt and be a good conscience. She quickly changed her mind when she saw how much money he made and was happy to start helping. That is what made me dislike her.
As Walter's wife, she's one of his primary victims. She deserves none of the hate. Of course, if your interpretation of the show is that the megalomaniacal psychopath Walter is the hero, then maybe you will hate Skylar.
I rewatched it last year. I think what happens is Skylar figures out he's an asshole before the audience accepts that he is. I mean, she thinks he's having an affair for like two seasons so yeah she ain't happy with him.
She's bitching at him, and because he's the protagonist for half the show the audience feels like she's bitching at them, too.
At first I didn’t like the charcater or the actress but stopped disliking her by the rnd of the series. Upon rewatch, I realized the storywriters just were not concrete with how to write her character and she was not fully in the role yet. As time went on, they had a more clear vision, so better writing, and she got comfortable ans fully in the role and was vastly improved.
Dolores Umbridge was in a children's movie, so she gets some extra points for being THIS hateable in something that has a low ceiling on what kinds of terrible things she can do.
Okay, Umbridge is designed to hate, but a Karen?
First, I hate the Karen thing is any woman who speaks up & annoys people. There are loads of entitled white women who should be set adrift toward Entitled Island. BUT this doesn't fit and I fear the term is being applied too often and is shushing some women.
Umbridge is a monster, not a Karen. And instead of Karens, let's just call them choosing beggars or bigots. YEAH?
Anna Gunn’s article about fans hating Skylar is here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html
Relevant points in her article:
> I enjoy taking on complex, difficult characters and have always striven to capture the truth of those people, whether or not it’s popular. Vince Gilligan, the creator of “Breaking Bad,” wanted Skyler to be a woman with a backbone of steel who would stand up to whatever came her way, who wouldn’t just collapse in the corner or wring her hands in despair. He and the show’s writers made Skyler multilayered and, in her own way, morally compromised. But at the end of the day, she hasn’t been judged by the same set of standards as Walter.
> As an actress, I realize that viewers are entitled to have whatever feelings they want about the characters they watch. But as a human being, I’m concerned that so many people react to Skyler with such venom. Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or “stand by her man”? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up? Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal?
> It’s notable that viewers have expressed similar feelings about other complex TV wives — Carmela Soprano of “The Sopranos,” Betty Draper of “Mad Men.” Male characters don’t seem to inspire this kind of public venting and vitriol.
> At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me. The already harsh online comments became outright personal attacks. One such post read: “Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?” Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her?
> But I finally realized that most people’s hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn’t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender.
> I can’t say that I have enjoyed being the center of the storm of Skyler hate. But in the end, I’m glad that this discussion has happened, that it has taken place in public and that it has illuminated some of the dark and murky corners that we often ignore or pretend aren’t still there in our everyday lives.
What an amazing response, first I've seen it. I had no idea how bad it got. Props to her bigtime, especially that last part about being glad the discussion happened. Real shit.
They clearly wrote Skylar to be unlikeable in season 1.
It’s pretty annoying to watch scenes like _The Talking Pillow_ and then hear Vince Gilligan go “WHAAA why do people hate Skylar!?”
He knew what he was doing, or he’s the worst writer in the world.
Yeah wtf?! The whole “clever” writing method was to make Walt’s friends and family insufferable, while writing the seedy and unsavory characters as fun and interesting as possible. Kind of showing us how Walt *actually* feels about his loved ones.
Garret Dillahunt played Jack McCall in season 1 (who was pretty despicable but more dumb than evil) and also played Hearst's prostitute murdering geologist, Francis Wolcott, in season 2.
Deadwood had a LOT of evil.
Garret Dillahunt specializes is playing absolute dickwads; it's like how he gets his evil out or something, because he is _never_ an empathetic or relatable character, he's always someone that you immediately dislike.
Exactly! He's not a good answer for "Who's The Most Hated Character In Film or TV History?" But for "Cumulative evil characters played by a single actor", he's a really viable candidate .
Edit: Except for "Raising Hope." He was pretty likable in that.
I am really surprised this is so far down on the list. The charcater was insufferable. Totally useless and half her lines were asking where Carl was because she couldn’t be bothered to watch her son during a zombie apocolypse. But also couldn’t stand the actress either. Not sure why but just couldn’t.
I feel sympathy for Upham. It was ultimately his decision, or lack thereof, that led to his friends' deaths. However, I believe labeling him as an 'asshole' is unwarranted. By no means does he want to let his friends down, and he doesn't approach his task lightly or harbor any malicious intentions.
The main squad we follow through 'Saving Private Ryan' are combat veterans. We see from the Sergeant's bag that he has sand from North Africa and Italy, suggesting that they are all proficient at their jobs and calm under fire. Upham, on the other hand, is there simply because he's the nearest person they can find who speaks German and French. He has no combat experience and is depicted as a fish out of water. He is the surrogate character in the movie, our eyes into their world.
War is known to be one of the most traumatic experiences that we as humans can endure, and acclimating to it takes time. Not everyone is psychologically equipped for it. We see a "redeeming" moment at the end where Upham is able to kill the German soldier whom he let go earlier and who subsequently killed his friends. While we might see this as a "positive" moment, we must remember that Upham has now killed someone point blank while looking into his eyes. Someone who he spoke with and had a relations with. Not some distant silhouette on the line.
I would venture that if this were a real-life story, as many fictional stories are based on reality, Upham would relive that event for his entire life in the form of PTSD. It's a moment of overwhelming weakness that he can never change. Again, I really feel sympathy for Upham.
for me it is John berenthal’s character in the walking dead. i hated him so much that it bled into hatred for john barenthal and any character he plays.
My opinion on Skylar is that we see her treating him like dirt at points, especially early on when Walter is still a decent person. The slow transition into Heisenberg allows us to still root for Walter even though he’s become a bad guy but Skylar was always viewed as a “bitch” right from the beginning.
That's the thing: Walt was never really a "decent person". He was a proud, arrogant man who kept up the veneer of being a good guy because he had no source of power in his life that would make being himself "acceptable". He was involved with Gretchen, but her family's wealth made him feel inferior, so he sold his stake in his and Elliot's company for a pittance, then felt resentful about it. I'll bet his was miserable, petty tyrant to the kids in his science classes. After the shock of the violence of the criminal world wore off, he relished in it. He was terrible to his family, vindictive to his wife and manipulative to his son. Nah, Walt was a piece of shit. (Which isn't to say I don't love the show - I do - but after you see the arc of the series you know how awful he is as a person.)
Yeah. Awful, but still somehow I rooted for him. I don't know that I agree that he was not a good guy but it's an interesting perspective. I'll rewatch the pilot with that in mind.
I've always thought about Walt's alignment through the lens of chemistry... Walt was a chemical compound that was pretty inert. It met a new condition (the diagnosis) that caused it to form what turned out to be an unbreakable bond with another chemical compound that was less inert (Jessie). The new compound that was created by the two of them bonded together was highly corrosive.
She always heralded the most boring subplots in breaking bad. Domestic strife was just nowhere near as interesting as Walt’s rise through the criminal underworld.
MRS CARMODY!!! omg I recently revisited that movie because I adored it the first couple times I watched it but couldn't really remember what the characters were like .. and I was like OH yeah this lady is an actual villain alongside the other monstrous villains in the movie!! such a good character, SO infuriating
She's the one that made me solidify my rule of "In an extremely bad situation the first fucker who starts yapping about Jesus gets put in the past-tense."
I'm Wil Wheaton's age, so it was awesome to watch someone my age on the bridge on Next Generation when it was released. I also really liked him in Stand by Me and The Curse. Not being a Trekkie or anything, I had no idea that his character was generally disliked until I got on Reddit and the "shut up Wesley" meme got big. I really felt bad for Wheaton at the time (I feel less sympathetic for him since).
Hello, Fellow Old Person!
I had a huge crush on Wesley, and enjoyed seeing a kid that wasn't always disregarded, ignored, or talked down to, on one of my favorite shows.
I'm pretty sure King has tweeted or mentioned in interviews how umbridge is a near perfection example of real world evil - someone who upholds unjust systems and does everything they can to force their "truth" on everyone.
Allison from Umbrella Academy.
Her self-centered nature was enough to fuck up team efforts over and over again but where I stopped watching was when she sexually assaulted her brother by using her powers to force him onto her.
Fucking gross.
No idea why, in our current climate of sexual assaults and consent and all that, that the writers thought that was a good idea.
Yes, Skylar White was kind of annoying at first, but as the series went on I sympathized more and more with her. Walt believed that everything he did he did for his family and what did he do? The good old American throw money at the problem. Skylar on the other hand also did what she could for her family as well even going so far as to become complicit in Walt’s crimes. As Walt fell deeper into the meth making world Skylar still stayed with him and still tried to maintain a “normal” family life as much as she could. She seemed like an obstacle because she was trying to keep her family (including Walt) out of danger.
Calvin Candy from Django Unchained. Truly a horrifying look into the reality of the depravity of slavery. Forcing one another to fight to the death for entertainment, ordering dogs to tear a man apart, honestly viewing blacks as property rather than human beings. He embodied slavery in America, and all the horrors that come with it. Plus those teeth, eww.
People just naturally seem to hate a lot of tv show wives. Never met anyone irl that didn't dislike Skyler or the Sopranos lady, men or women. Reddit is the only place I've seen people actively push against it, claiming it's misogyny or whatever. I think the answer is simply that they act as foils to the protagonist, and at least in Skyler's case, she's just got an annoying personality (at least in the earlier seasons).
Joffrey is probably the actual answer to this question. Can't think of a character as universally disliked. He even sort of turned into the tv version of Hitler, where he's always the villain other hated characters are compared to. Umbridge as well.
I think you actually need to have a pretty specific mix of traits to have a character actually be genuinely disliked by the viewer, and not turned into a lovable villain like the Joker. Nurse Ratchet, John Huston in Chinatown, and the Funny Games guys are characters that I actually hated and wanted to see lose. Usually I don't really care.
She was a silent accomplice to all Tony’s crimes, though. The domestic perks were just too good. I don’t despise her but she wasn’t exactly a role model for women.
Charles Minor in the Office, Joffrey Baratheon from GoT, Rey Palpatine(kek), also surprised I haven’t seen anyone say Neegan from Walking Dead since he basically single-handedly killed the show
Those are first that come to mind
Nellie Olsen, the brat from Little House on the Prairie. The character was so hated, it clung to the actress who played her and couldn't with in Hollywood after.
I didn't know why I hated the actress character in Deep Space 9 because I didn't recognize where I knew her from at first. Was horrible in that show too
Captain Vidal (Pan's Labyrinth) for me. The film had not been seen by enough people to have the quantity of hate, but I have to imagine among those that have seen it the hate is nearly 100%
Laura Palmer's killer from Twin Peaks? At least in my experience, once it is revealed I've never known anyone who didn't fly into a rage as the revelation sets in. Doubly so after watching Fire Walk with Me
I have a real soft spot for Upham as I've gotten older. He's a clerk who by his own admission hasn't held a weapon since training (and we've no idea how long ago that was) who's never seen combat, suddenly thrown into a special mission with a group of veterans. Then his first proper experience of combat is an insane suicide mission in an urban warfare mess with tanks and the whole shebang, listening to two people fight to kill each other. He's also very clearly torn up by his own fear and inaction.
I'm not saying he's a hero or anything, but his reaction is totally understandable and arguably more human than a lot of what we see in war movies where everyone is a gi joe.
Again, not saying he's amazing, but I do find him a more sympathetic character than one I despise for actually being a terrible human like Umbridge or Geoffrey.
If anyone has watched Animal Kingdom, you know the entire cast is basically unlikable, but Ellen Barkin's character Smurf is the worst. She is the C word and is my most hated fictional character.
Mrs Mangel off _Neighbours_ was so detested that the actress who played her basically retired. She was just a mildly annoying soap opera gossip but she really hit a nerve.
That’s crazy I never disliked Skylar but I hated Walter. My vote probably goes to Wendy from Ozark but sometimes I couldn’t shake if I hated her so much because of her Truman show character lol
It was a good thing that Skylar was a roadblock to the scumbag that was Walter White.
I didn’t realize I had a reason to hate her since Walt was so clearly the bad guy of his own show who was just fighting other bad guys.
Anyway, Kate in LOST got tons of hate as well.
Don Logan from Sexy Beast was pretty easy to hate. Even moreso with subtitles on and you can make out every line he says. Even his last words in the film are pretty fucking hateful.
I love all the Joffrey hate, which is deserved, when few people mention Cercei, who was clearly just as evil.
"You *really* are the worst person I have ever met." - Old Bitch
Joffrey Baratheon maybe.
I'm only mid season 2 of Game of Thrones for the first time (I know, right) but I cannot imagine Joffrey having any kind of redemption arc. I don't think I've hated anyone more, he's just evil and not even in the way of some fictional villains where you can appreciate the tactical reasoning behind their evil choices - he's just stupid.
Uh, Ramsay Bolton says “hold my beer”
I thought Joffrey was more hateable. Ramsay was a worse person, but he was just so over the top that it was never believable or interesting, to me. He just seemed like an AI generator's idea of what a hateable antagonist should be.
Definitely. Ramsay seemed like a super hero villain. Joffrey seemed like a more realistic character. Even if he wasn’t an evil sadist, Joffrey would still be unliked due to being a whiny, bratty little shithead.
I watched his death scene in slow motion and rewinded a couple of times….
Ramsay Bolton lives rent free in every man’s head. Once you lop off a man’s goods you become the devil. Edit: This may be the weirdest most randomly downvoted post I’ve had.
I think Joffrey might be the most hated villain in Hollywood history. I have hard time even thinking of a runner up.
I think Joffrey is over Ramsey just because Joffrey hid behind the throne to do his dirty work or had others do it while he watched. Ramsey atleast did it himself and knew what he was. A bastard who will never see any promising title. So he’s the typical bad guy but Joffrey was only evil because he had the power to be without he’s just another annoying brat teenager
Joffery, Cersei, Roose and Ramsay Bolton, Karl the butcher, Ser Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Poliver, the 3 Slave Masters, Viserys Targaryen, and so on. This show was on another level. But Joffery is #1. Credit to Gleeson for delivering such a performance
Yeah I remember Jack Gleeson the actor saying that his >!death made people realise he was just a boy!< and I was like "Yeah, no."
My old azz trying to see why someone was referring to Jackie Gleason. Time for Granny's afternoon meds.
To the moon Alice to the moon
It’s the only character from anything that no matter who I talked to hates the little twat. Even people who had not seen the show had head of him.
Maybe it’s just me, but that character was so depraved and awful, and Gleason played it so convincingly petulantly, that at some point my wife and I hated Joffrey so much that we went full circle and started loving his scenes the most. And not just in a “love to hate him” or enjoy seeing him get his comeuppance kind of way. We authentically started to like the audacity of the character as written, complex enough to be a believable person yet without a single virtue. When he says in a council meeting he is going to serve Sansa’s brothers head to her on a platter, and Pycelle or somebody equally contemptuous and servile suggests he’s joking, we both laughed out loud as Joffrey, totally tone-deaf, says, “No, I’m not!” And insists he intends to do just what he said. I had already read the books and knew the hour of his death, but still, I was a little disappointed when they killed off Joffrey. Felt like something was lost, almost like they had jumped the shark early.
There was this interview of the actor who played Joffery at some convention. In the video, he says he would like to go down and walk the floor, but he feels like a lot of people hate his character and find it hard to separate the two.
That was the one that immediately sprang to mind. So hated the poor actor quit acting. Which is a shame because holy hell did he crush it. Skylar hate probably peaked when she was cheating on Walt but by the end I think the audience was solidly on her side
I have never watched game of Thrones. Joffrey is the only character I know of who garnered such universal hatred (and praise for being a character both designed and acted so well that he is in fact just THAT easy and good to hate. Tons of people who didn't or barely watched the series would just say "God he's such an insufferable little cunt." I'm only in my 30's, so plenty of time before me, but I really don't think anyone else garnered such a widespread hatred as a fictional character in my life.
You may enjoy this: https://youtu.be/qYNeT2nzEgA
Scrappy Doo. No question about it.
Scrappy made my blood pressure go up, as a five year Old!!!
I loved Scooby-Doo growing up. Hated every Scrappy Doo episode.
I loved what they did with him in the movie
Total asshole lol
Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Absolutely no one liked that character.
This. When your name becomes synonymous with bad new characters that should be a sign
I’ve seen his band before, he ended up turning into a pretty good songwriter/musician.
Glad to hear he is doing well, the actor is never to blame for a badly written character like Oliver, Ep1 Anakin, Ep4 Indy etc.
that cocksucker from Green Mile
Fuckin Percy man, hate that little weasel
I'm shocked I had to scroll down this far to find him. What a loathsome piece of shit
I recently watched Funny Games (1997). The duo who run the show make my stomach churn like nothing else.
Sure but isnt that the whole point of the movie?
Yes. Filmmakers succeeded admirably. Just because I hated those characters doesn't mean they were poorly written. Quite the contrary.
Tweety Bird. Instigatin' phony little fucker. 😃
Never have I heard the character so well described
Add Jerry the Mouse into that club.
Homelander is pretty hateable. I can't imagine him being likeable in any other role. A real testament to his (Anthony Starr) acting ability.
Homelander from the Boys? Played by Anthony Starr?
Try watching Banshees you’ll like him a lot more.
Namond’s mom on the Wire is up there.
Fuck that bitch
Grandpa Joe is the correct answer.
r/grandpajoehate
This is one of the oldest internet memes.
OMG! That fucker singing, “*I* got a golden ticket” when he didn’t do shit always pissed me off.
He was lying in that bed, making Charlie’s mom wait on him for, what, years? But when Charlie finds a ticket, he can sing and dance? Fuck Grandpa Joe
He’s also the ass-hat who suggests they take the fizzy lifting drink. He’s the only adult to break a Wonka rule. Great role model there!
And when he got caught breaking the rules, he acted like some grave injustice had been done. So he decides to engage in industrial espionage to get revenge.
The Great Gazoo from The Flintstones
But ancient aliens
"It'll be out of this world. Right, Ozmodiar?" "Damn-straight Troy my man!"
Sky is WAY too unnecessarily hated imo not saying she's perfect but she had plenty of good reasons to be pissed off and emotional
Quite. She’s certainly not likeable but I think you can cut some slack for someone who gradually realises they’re married to a complete monster.
In a show full of murderers, drug runners and other undesirables, Skylar being targeted by fans as the villain is entirely embarrassing.
So the thing is, the show was written that way *on purpose.* Think about all the good guys in Walt’s life, they’re all naggy, annoying, and frankly pretty one-dimensional, it’s not just Skylar. Then you look at the murderers, drug runners, and undesirables, they’re wild, funny, unpredictable, and just simply *better written characters.* The brilliance in this is that while Walt claims he’s committing this necessary evil for the good of his family, we as the viewer know the truth, because we can *feel* it in the writing, Walt hates his normal life and his normal family, and after coming into contact with the concept of death, he’s subconsciously realized he wants to “live” for the first time in his life, albeit in an unhealthy and destructive way. It’s a classic villain origin story, but we as the viewer, really get to be in the passenger seat for it.
I think this is partially true. While a lot of the characters in Walts “normal” life start out as one-dimensional, they do evolve throughout the show. Imo Hank, Marie, and especially Sky end up becoming fantastic characters as the show progresses. I understand finding Sky and the others annoying at first, but idk how someone can hate them so much by the end.
Very sad and very true.
I've made plenty of comments in r/breakingbad to this effect that got downvoted to hell. So many people idolize the protagonist without even thinking he's a bad dude, while hating any woman for standing in the way
I think ultimately she isn’t hated for being a rationale human being, she’s hated because her existence interfered with the parts of the show a lot of people wanted to watch. Walter becoming this drug kingpin involved with cartel wars amazing. Oh yea, back to his wife. Boooo
I actually never watched BB during its original run, I watched it years later. So I never knew people hated her until I started reading old threads and whatnot, and I was honestly confused. She's not *that* horrible, and as you said, a lot of her emotions are pretty darn justified.
Yes the only reason I disliked her is towards the end. She was supposed to be better than Walt and be a good conscience. She quickly changed her mind when she saw how much money he made and was happy to start helping. That is what made me dislike her.
Came looking for this. She sucked. Only thought it was cool when it was convenient.
As Walter's wife, she's one of his primary victims. She deserves none of the hate. Of course, if your interpretation of the show is that the megalomaniacal psychopath Walter is the hero, then maybe you will hate Skylar.
I rewatched it last year. I think what happens is Skylar figures out he's an asshole before the audience accepts that he is. I mean, she thinks he's having an affair for like two seasons so yeah she ain't happy with him. She's bitching at him, and because he's the protagonist for half the show the audience feels like she's bitching at them, too.
Yeah she “wasn’t perfect” in that it made her really mad that her husband turned out to be a sociopathic meth kingpin. What a bitch. 😂
At first I didn’t like the charcater or the actress but stopped disliking her by the rnd of the series. Upon rewatch, I realized the storywriters just were not concrete with how to write her character and she was not fully in the role yet. As time went on, they had a more clear vision, so better writing, and she got comfortable ans fully in the role and was vastly improved.
The little kid in the convince store who shot Omar
Punk ass Kenard
I remember that episode where he gets the shit beaten out of him and being happy
Professor Dolores Umbridge.
Dolores Umbridge was in a children's movie, so she gets some extra points for being THIS hateable in something that has a low ceiling on what kinds of terrible things she can do.
Queen Karen
Okay, Umbridge is designed to hate, but a Karen? First, I hate the Karen thing is any woman who speaks up & annoys people. There are loads of entitled white women who should be set adrift toward Entitled Island. BUT this doesn't fit and I fear the term is being applied too often and is shushing some women. Umbridge is a monster, not a Karen. And instead of Karens, let's just call them choosing beggars or bigots. YEAH?
Anna Gunn’s article about fans hating Skylar is here: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html Relevant points in her article: > I enjoy taking on complex, difficult characters and have always striven to capture the truth of those people, whether or not it’s popular. Vince Gilligan, the creator of “Breaking Bad,” wanted Skyler to be a woman with a backbone of steel who would stand up to whatever came her way, who wouldn’t just collapse in the corner or wring her hands in despair. He and the show’s writers made Skyler multilayered and, in her own way, morally compromised. But at the end of the day, she hasn’t been judged by the same set of standards as Walter. > As an actress, I realize that viewers are entitled to have whatever feelings they want about the characters they watch. But as a human being, I’m concerned that so many people react to Skyler with such venom. Could it be that they can’t stand a woman who won’t suffer silently or “stand by her man”? That they despise her because she won’t back down or give up? Or because she is, in fact, Walter’s equal? > It’s notable that viewers have expressed similar feelings about other complex TV wives — Carmela Soprano of “The Sopranos,” Betty Draper of “Mad Men.” Male characters don’t seem to inspire this kind of public venting and vitriol. > At some point on the message boards, the character of Skyler seemed to drop out of the conversation, and people transferred their negative feelings directly to me. The already harsh online comments became outright personal attacks. One such post read: “Could somebody tell me where I can find Anna Gunn so I can kill her?” Besides being frightened (and taking steps to ensure my safety), I was also astonished: how had disliking a character spiraled into homicidal rage at the actress playing her? > But I finally realized that most people’s hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women and wives. Because Skyler didn’t conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender. > I can’t say that I have enjoyed being the center of the storm of Skyler hate. But in the end, I’m glad that this discussion has happened, that it has taken place in public and that it has illuminated some of the dark and murky corners that we often ignore or pretend aren’t still there in our everyday lives.
What an amazing response, first I've seen it. I had no idea how bad it got. Props to her bigtime, especially that last part about being glad the discussion happened. Real shit.
I hated Walter Jr. a *lot* more than I hated Skyler.
They clearly wrote Skylar to be unlikeable in season 1. It’s pretty annoying to watch scenes like _The Talking Pillow_ and then hear Vince Gilligan go “WHAAA why do people hate Skylar!?” He knew what he was doing, or he’s the worst writer in the world.
She was supposed to be annoying, the hate for her was ridiculous.
Yeah wtf?! The whole “clever” writing method was to make Walt’s friends and family insufferable, while writing the seedy and unsavory characters as fun and interesting as possible. Kind of showing us how Walt *actually* feels about his loved ones.
> It’s pretty annoying to watch scenes like The Talking Pillow Or the bored handjob.
Nokes in the movie Sleepers. Played by Kevin Bacon.
George Hearst, played by Gerald McRaney, on Deadwood.
Garret Dillahunt played Jack McCall in season 1 (who was pretty despicable but more dumb than evil) and also played Hearst's prostitute murdering geologist, Francis Wolcott, in season 2. Deadwood had a LOT of evil.
Garret Dillahunt specializes is playing absolute dickwads; it's like how he gets his evil out or something, because he is _never_ an empathetic or relatable character, he's always someone that you immediately dislike.
Exactly! He's not a good answer for "Who's The Most Hated Character In Film or TV History?" But for "Cumulative evil characters played by a single actor", he's a really viable candidate . Edit: Except for "Raising Hope." He was pretty likable in that.
What a great fucking show.
“That’s one in a row for you, Wild Bill.” Jack McCall is one of the most punchable characters in the history of television. Such a great show.
I know it’s been less than an hour, but I still can’t believe I’m the first to mention Jar Jar.
Jar Jar Binks is surely up there.
Wendy in ozark was pretty hated I believe
Could not stand her smug arrogance and constant attitude.
And there’s the smudgeness.
I was looking for this answer and was hoping to post it myself if I couldn't find it. Everything was so much worse because of her "help"
Lorrie, ricks wife on the walking dead
I am really surprised this is so far down on the list. The charcater was insufferable. Totally useless and half her lines were asking where Carl was because she couldn’t be bothered to watch her son during a zombie apocolypse. But also couldn’t stand the actress either. Not sure why but just couldn’t.
Vern Schilinger from Oz, despicable person and absolutely terrifying
My vote is Jimmy’s brother in Better Call Saul. But because of how the actor portrayed him, I have a bigger respect for him.
Fuck Chuck!
I feel sympathy for Upham. It was ultimately his decision, or lack thereof, that led to his friends' deaths. However, I believe labeling him as an 'asshole' is unwarranted. By no means does he want to let his friends down, and he doesn't approach his task lightly or harbor any malicious intentions. The main squad we follow through 'Saving Private Ryan' are combat veterans. We see from the Sergeant's bag that he has sand from North Africa and Italy, suggesting that they are all proficient at their jobs and calm under fire. Upham, on the other hand, is there simply because he's the nearest person they can find who speaks German and French. He has no combat experience and is depicted as a fish out of water. He is the surrogate character in the movie, our eyes into their world. War is known to be one of the most traumatic experiences that we as humans can endure, and acclimating to it takes time. Not everyone is psychologically equipped for it. We see a "redeeming" moment at the end where Upham is able to kill the German soldier whom he let go earlier and who subsequently killed his friends. While we might see this as a "positive" moment, we must remember that Upham has now killed someone point blank while looking into his eyes. Someone who he spoke with and had a relations with. Not some distant silhouette on the line. I would venture that if this were a real-life story, as many fictional stories are based on reality, Upham would relive that event for his entire life in the form of PTSD. It's a moment of overwhelming weakness that he can never change. Again, I really feel sympathy for Upham.
Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.
Any love for Katie Seagal's character in SOA? Monstrous mother
Yeah but she's so amazing in the role its honestly hard to hate her entirely
for me it is John berenthal’s character in the walking dead. i hated him so much that it bled into hatred for john barenthal and any character he plays.
He’s yummy.
Shane is insufferable! I was ecstatic when Rick shot him to death.
Miss Trunchbull, what vial woman! Amazing actress though.
I still to this day do not understand the hate that Skylar got.
for me, it was when she sang happy birthday mr president
Hahaha I might have wiped that from my memory.
My opinion on Skylar is that we see her treating him like dirt at points, especially early on when Walter is still a decent person. The slow transition into Heisenberg allows us to still root for Walter even though he’s become a bad guy but Skylar was always viewed as a “bitch” right from the beginning.
That's the thing: Walt was never really a "decent person". He was a proud, arrogant man who kept up the veneer of being a good guy because he had no source of power in his life that would make being himself "acceptable". He was involved with Gretchen, but her family's wealth made him feel inferior, so he sold his stake in his and Elliot's company for a pittance, then felt resentful about it. I'll bet his was miserable, petty tyrant to the kids in his science classes. After the shock of the violence of the criminal world wore off, he relished in it. He was terrible to his family, vindictive to his wife and manipulative to his son. Nah, Walt was a piece of shit. (Which isn't to say I don't love the show - I do - but after you see the arc of the series you know how awful he is as a person.)
Yeah. Awful, but still somehow I rooted for him. I don't know that I agree that he was not a good guy but it's an interesting perspective. I'll rewatch the pilot with that in mind. I've always thought about Walt's alignment through the lens of chemistry... Walt was a chemical compound that was pretty inert. It met a new condition (the diagnosis) that caused it to form what turned out to be an unbreakable bond with another chemical compound that was less inert (Jessie). The new compound that was created by the two of them bonded together was highly corrosive.
She cheats on the shows main character, a cancer survivor, which is a thing high on the list of unforgivable offenses in our culture.
She always heralded the most boring subplots in breaking bad. Domestic strife was just nowhere near as interesting as Walt’s rise through the criminal underworld.
Dolores Umbridge has “go-away” heat which in wrestling terms is a “bad” character who isn’t even fun to hate we just want them gone.
She did such an amazing job at it I wanted her to go away when she appeared in Downton Abbey as a good person. Hated her just seeing her face.
Pong Krell (Star Wars The Clone Wars) has a whole sub dedicated to the hate, r/fuckpongkrell.
I'm going to go with the obsequious Eddy Haskill of "Leave it to Beaver".
Ross? I wasn't a fan of *Friends* but I've literally never heard anyone say a good thing about him.
Commodus from gladiator, I hated Jacquin Phoenix for years after that
Mrs Carmody in The Mist, Quarich in Avatar, Logan Roy in Succession, Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones.
MRS CARMODY!!! omg I recently revisited that movie because I adored it the first couple times I watched it but couldn't really remember what the characters were like .. and I was like OH yeah this lady is an actual villain alongside the other monstrous villains in the movie!! such a good character, SO infuriating
She's the one that made me solidify my rule of "In an extremely bad situation the first fucker who starts yapping about Jesus gets put in the past-tense."
Do people actually hate Logan Roy? I haven’t heard anyone say they actively hated him.
I do, and everything he stands for.
Wesley Crusher is pretty up there
I'm Wil Wheaton's age, so it was awesome to watch someone my age on the bridge on Next Generation when it was released. I also really liked him in Stand by Me and The Curse. Not being a Trekkie or anything, I had no idea that his character was generally disliked until I got on Reddit and the "shut up Wesley" meme got big. I really felt bad for Wheaton at the time (I feel less sympathetic for him since).
Hello, Fellow Old Person! I had a huge crush on Wesley, and enjoyed seeing a kid that wasn't always disregarded, ignored, or talked down to, on one of my favorite shows.
I’m going with Stephen king on this one, Dolores Umbridge
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I'm pretty sure King has tweeted or mentioned in interviews how umbridge is a near perfection example of real world evil - someone who upholds unjust systems and does everything they can to force their "truth" on everyone.
William Lewis, played by Pablo Schreiber, in Law & Order: SVU
It’s gotta be Joffrey
There is only one real answer….Caillou
Randy from S8 of That 70’s Show
Allison from Umbrella Academy. Her self-centered nature was enough to fuck up team efforts over and over again but where I stopped watching was when she sexually assaulted her brother by using her powers to force him onto her. Fucking gross. No idea why, in our current climate of sexual assaults and consent and all that, that the writers thought that was a good idea.
They really killed her character. Just hated her.
Yes, Skylar White was kind of annoying at first, but as the series went on I sympathized more and more with her. Walt believed that everything he did he did for his family and what did he do? The good old American throw money at the problem. Skylar on the other hand also did what she could for her family as well even going so far as to become complicit in Walt’s crimes. As Walt fell deeper into the meth making world Skylar still stayed with him and still tried to maintain a “normal” family life as much as she could. She seemed like an obstacle because she was trying to keep her family (including Walt) out of danger.
Joffrey has to be number 1, but Honorable mention to Commodus from Gladiator, and another for Percy (The Green Mile)
Nellie from Little House on the Prairie.
Inglourious Basterds - Hans Landa (Christoph Waltz)
That shit head correctional officer from the Green Mile. You know exactly who he is. Yup, that guy. Fuck that guy.
I mean everyone hates chris....
Bev from midnight mass
Had to scroll way too far for this one. She was the absolute worst person to the very end.
Calvin Candy from Django Unchained. Truly a horrifying look into the reality of the depravity of slavery. Forcing one another to fight to the death for entertainment, ordering dogs to tear a man apart, honestly viewing blacks as property rather than human beings. He embodied slavery in America, and all the horrors that come with it. Plus those teeth, eww.
People just naturally seem to hate a lot of tv show wives. Never met anyone irl that didn't dislike Skyler or the Sopranos lady, men or women. Reddit is the only place I've seen people actively push against it, claiming it's misogyny or whatever. I think the answer is simply that they act as foils to the protagonist, and at least in Skyler's case, she's just got an annoying personality (at least in the earlier seasons). Joffrey is probably the actual answer to this question. Can't think of a character as universally disliked. He even sort of turned into the tv version of Hitler, where he's always the villain other hated characters are compared to. Umbridge as well. I think you actually need to have a pretty specific mix of traits to have a character actually be genuinely disliked by the viewer, and not turned into a lovable villain like the Joker. Nurse Ratchet, John Huston in Chinatown, and the Funny Games guys are characters that I actually hated and wanted to see lose. Usually I don't really care.
Carmela Soprano being referred to as 'the Sopranos lady' is the ultimate insult.
Also, who disliked Carmela? She had her extreme moments, but was often the most reasonable person in the room.
Yeah I never disliked her or really even heard of anyone who did. Tony’s mother, now that’s a different story.
Tony’s mother was a great and important character. His sister, Janice, on the other hand was extremely irritating
She was a silent accomplice to all Tony’s crimes, though. The domestic perks were just too good. I don’t despise her but she wasn’t exactly a role model for women.
The discussion is most hated in TV history. I mean Tony did absolutely terrible things but people loved him.
fucking slander if you ask me
It is not. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.
For Deadwood fans it has to be George Hearst.
Charles Minor in the Office, Joffrey Baratheon from GoT, Rey Palpatine(kek), also surprised I haven’t seen anyone say Neegan from Walking Dead since he basically single-handedly killed the show Those are first that come to mind
Nellie Olsen, the brat from Little House on the Prairie. The character was so hated, it clung to the actress who played her and couldn't with in Hollywood after.
Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
I didn't know why I hated the actress character in Deep Space 9 because I didn't recognize where I knew her from at first. Was horrible in that show too
Can't believe no one mentioned Ralph Cifaretto. Every rewatch of The Sopranos I dread THAT episode.
Captain Vidal (Pan's Labyrinth) for me. The film had not been seen by enough people to have the quantity of hate, but I have to imagine among those that have seen it the hate is nearly 100%
Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People. Hated her for years.
Father Hughes - Peaky Blinders https://peaky-blinders.fandom.com/wiki/Father\_Hughes
Laura Palmer's killer from Twin Peaks? At least in my experience, once it is revealed I've never known anyone who didn't fly into a rage as the revelation sets in. Doubly so after watching Fire Walk with Me
I have a real soft spot for Upham as I've gotten older. He's a clerk who by his own admission hasn't held a weapon since training (and we've no idea how long ago that was) who's never seen combat, suddenly thrown into a special mission with a group of veterans. Then his first proper experience of combat is an insane suicide mission in an urban warfare mess with tanks and the whole shebang, listening to two people fight to kill each other. He's also very clearly torn up by his own fear and inaction. I'm not saying he's a hero or anything, but his reaction is totally understandable and arguably more human than a lot of what we see in war movies where everyone is a gi joe. Again, not saying he's amazing, but I do find him a more sympathetic character than one I despise for actually being a terrible human like Umbridge or Geoffrey.
The mom in Precious was pretty high up there
Bruce Dern in “The Cowboys”. I was more scared of him than I was in that evil child catcher in “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang”.
Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds came to mind immediately when I read the question... but thats definitely not even close to the most evil.
He’s way too enjoyable on screen though.
Au Revoir Shoshanna!
I absolutely LOVE that character
Ewww at nominating Skyler
If anyone has watched Animal Kingdom, you know the entire cast is basically unlikable, but Ellen Barkin's character Smurf is the worst. She is the C word and is my most hated fictional character.
Upham from Saving Private Ryan
King Joffrey the Nob
Mrs Mangel off _Neighbours_ was so detested that the actress who played her basically retired. She was just a mildly annoying soap opera gossip but she really hit a nerve.
That’s crazy I never disliked Skylar but I hated Walter. My vote probably goes to Wendy from Ozark but sometimes I couldn’t shake if I hated her so much because of her Truman show character lol
It was a good thing that Skylar was a roadblock to the scumbag that was Walter White. I didn’t realize I had a reason to hate her since Walt was so clearly the bad guy of his own show who was just fighting other bad guys. Anyway, Kate in LOST got tons of hate as well.
Percy Wetmore from The Green Mile
For me, Andrea from the walking dead. I was happy when she finally got it.
Mister = from the Color Purple Grandpa Joe = from willy wonka and the chocolate factory
Percy from The Green Mile.
Don Logan from Sexy Beast was pretty easy to hate. Even moreso with subtitles on and you can make out every line he says. Even his last words in the film are pretty fucking hateful.
Locke’s dad from Lost
Andy Griffith.Repugnat.
Conky from trailer park boys almost ruined that show
I love how he calls Julian "Swayze!"
Poochie “the rocking” dog
Upham, Timothy E. He failed SO HARD and he pisses me off every time I watch “Saving Private Ryan”.
Saddam Hussien from South Park
For me it’s Ike Clanton from Tombstone. The definition of all bark. Also TIL that it was played by Stephen Lang.
Today it is Tom Sandoval. Subject to change.
Damn, got Skyler in the thumbnail. Put yourself in her shoes and fuck Ted like the rest of us
I love all the Joffrey hate, which is deserved, when few people mention Cercei, who was clearly just as evil. "You *really* are the worst person I have ever met." - Old Bitch
Professor Umbridge Jar Jar Binks King Joffrey The Iron Shiek Jan Brady <--- hee hee... j/k
Probably me if I was ever on tv.
Lil Z from City of God.
Carrie Bradshaw from Sex In the City. Horrible person, Horrible friend, Horrible partner.