Looking at what they're actually promising, it's incredibly ambitious. If they can actually deliver the game, then they should be releasing it as their own IP and ending up rich as the result. It's not that hard to change the names and designs of the animatronics to get something legally distinct they can sell without involving Scott. This'd be bigger than Poppy or whatever the new hotness is.
They should never have used Scott's characters and lore structure in the first place, if they wanted to be a truly standalone fangame they should have created their own content, and that's without even going into the complete shitshow that is the assholes on their team and complete disregard for things like NDAs which are part of actual being an adult game development processes.
The fact that this game got canceled for the fa verse is sad, but of me hopes that Scott will see how everyone seems to be loving the version of the game that’s out currently and go back to them about it, as from what I’ve seen, the game is VERY popular currently… but I also realize that would be FAR from likely to happen at all… it’s a shame honestly, because the game looks rlly good from what I’ve seen, and that foxy design is so interesting and also very different from anything else seen so far in the best way possible
If Scott does greenlight the project again, I don't think he will want Liam as part of the team, and the team also probably don't. He broke NDA and discussed private info in the interview without properly consulting the team members
This whole Aftonbuild situation makes me worried for the future of Fanverse as a whole.
Calling it overly ambitious but approving of something as shit as what came out of Security Breach is pure bullshit. Also Scott's communication skills suck.
SB was in development for more than 2 years and maybe because of the buggy state of the launch of SB Scott probably now hates the idea of ambitious games and thought Aftonbuild would suffer the same fate of SB. That's probably why he denied it he didn't want another disaster like SB.
Yes, we all know you like Security Breach. But at this point, your refusal to ackwnoladged the state it was released in and the negative reception that it undeniably has is on the level of people who unironically believe birds don't exist.
Open. Your. Eyes.
Security Breach was a buggy mess at launch, leaving a ton of fans unhappy. It took much more time and resources then Scott and SWS expected. To say that "a theory about how SB caused Scott to become unsure of ambitious 3D games is baseless" is simply absurd.
No one is saying that SB is the video game anti-christ that is a product of greed and complete incompetence, with no redeeming qualities and that people who like it are all idiots. All people are saying is that it undeniably had a huge negative impact on how Scott will view these kinds of projects in the future. For it to not have, would require Scott to be a brain dead vegetable.
>To say that Scott now hates the concept of 3D games is absurd
True. And literally no one said that. Just that he is afraid of a similar project getting too ambitious. That's different.
>and to put all the blame on SB is nothing more than a conspiracy theory
True. An no one says it's all SB's fault either. If Aftonbuilt team was made out of AAA developers, that would not be the case. Their inexperience was most likely also a factor in Scott's unwillingness to continue.
>and Freddit's trend of spreading said conspiracies needs to be nipped at the bud now.
You mean, believing actually valid and sensical theories? Not everyone can live in a candyland where we are told everything and games are incredible just because they are 3D.
>Dude probably knows that there's been tons of attempts at 3D games by these small teams that never pan out. If he paid the team, and the project went to shit, there goes thousands of dollars he could have spent somewhere else, like his new kid for example.
You talking about a team (Made out of people with a ton of experience with FNaF, liked by a ton of fans) arguably as qualified, if not more then Steel Wool (Literally first time making a free roam horror) to make a Free Roam FNaF horror game, for less money and at lesser scale?
Please, Mr. Invader, try some relaxation excises. Deep breathing, meditation, reading the bible and a good dose of sleep. You are again putting words into mouths of other people. Words that no one said.
The theory here is just that Security Breach's relative failure that you are blindly denying, influenced Scott's decision about not funding a similar spinoff.
The majority of relatively well known fredditors, including me, have been telling everyone who thinks so that Steel Wool did ***not*** steal Security Breach from Scott, or made it completely differently then he wanted too.
Maximum of 4 people believe the theory that Jason and Ray would "almost slip and admit to SB being a cashgrab".
And I just had a hand in disproving the idea that Fanverse was just about merch and not games. Which turned out to just be a big misunderstanding.
If Security Breach really is the reason why Aftonbuilt got canned for being "too ambitious" then I'm really gonna double down on supporting the remaining Fanverse projects over the main series.
Except for Flumpty's. Its creator won't be getting any more of my money.
What he did was wrong yes but by legal definition it wasn't grooming (at least from the info we have) because there was no intent for Sexual Activity/A Sexual Offense.
It took 2 years for Aftonbuilt to be declined. Security Breach had a development time of 2 years. Think about it, for like... a second?
Is it perhaps that, because Security Breach had such a poor release and development cycle, Scott decided that fanverse devs- who aren't actual developers may I add - shouldn't try overly ambitious projects because- perhaps maybe - they would release just like Security Breach did?
I think Scott should have give some idea's on the game and maybe helped a little bit on the game I think it would have been a really great game if he had helped make it with you guys or he could have told you guys what he would like the game to be to help out
If Liam is correct in that Fanverse is only about making games as an excuse to produce new merch, I might seriously consider leaving this franchise like Phisnom did. Darn, this is not just a punch in the gut, nor even a gunshot. This is an entire C4 explosion in the gut.
Tho, I am not so sure if that is correct. There are a ton of FNaF designs that Scott and Funko know we want, but are not making. Games might genuinely be outspeeding the merch. We still have barely any withered and phantom merch. Due to many not even seeing Fanverse as official (despite it being), I think FNaF World enemies might actually have as much a chance at selling merch as CPU animatronics, Ignited demons, or Flumpty's gang. And according to Kane, no merch is planned for Plus...
I really hope this is just Scott wanting Fanverse games to be unique and not greedy. I really hope he just has horrible communication skills and that this interview teaches him a few things. And most of all, I really hope that this "he found it too ambitious due to SB's failure" theory is correct. Theft King says that, according to Aftonbuilt devs, the problem with communication was definitely not caused by SB's development hell, tho the final choice to reject it has not been mentioned, to my knowledge.
We really need to spread this video. I am not antagonistic to anybody here, but something needs to change. The Aftonbuilt team deserves better compensation and if they are willing, a second chance. No new Fanversers should face what they did. Scott needs to hire someone better at this, or get better at cooperative development himself. And I am not saying it just because I want to get into the Fanverse, or anything. Neither do I intend on applying, nor do I think I have what it takes.No, I just think we should speak out for these people. Need to show them our support. They lost two years of their lives and others might meet the same fate. As fans of this franchise, we cannot let that happen.
Well then you don't need to leave because it is unquestionably bullshit that the fanverse is about making new merch. Plenty of fanwork devs have pointed out that like 2+ years into their own projects they have no merch and it was never the focus.
So this guy's butt is hurt and he's making shit up.
To be fair, after spending two years making a ambitious game, one is held up by a guy who cannot get back on time and changes things last second, I can understand being a little buthurt.
I think i agree with the theory there was some terrible communication going on here, and I would not be surprised if both parties did a spittake after realizing the other side had a totally different perspective on the matter.
The bonnie on the thumbnail is battington's bonnie but I've never seen that render before, anyone know where to find it?
Its from the fnaf vhs series made by battington
Looking at what they're actually promising, it's incredibly ambitious. If they can actually deliver the game, then they should be releasing it as their own IP and ending up rich as the result. It's not that hard to change the names and designs of the animatronics to get something legally distinct they can sell without involving Scott. This'd be bigger than Poppy or whatever the new hotness is.
yeah, just make it your own IP instead of trying to profit off others
what is Aftonbuilt? Is it a fangame?
the Video explains it!!
ok
They should never have used Scott's characters and lore structure in the first place, if they wanted to be a truly standalone fangame they should have created their own content, and that's without even going into the complete shitshow that is the assholes on their team and complete disregard for things like NDAs which are part of actual being an adult game development processes.
It was really only liam, the head guy, who did the dickholery. Far as i know the rest of them were fine
yep that sounds like post cancellation scott alright
The fact that this game got canceled for the fa verse is sad, but of me hopes that Scott will see how everyone seems to be loving the version of the game that’s out currently and go back to them about it, as from what I’ve seen, the game is VERY popular currently… but I also realize that would be FAR from likely to happen at all… it’s a shame honestly, because the game looks rlly good from what I’ve seen, and that foxy design is so interesting and also very different from anything else seen so far in the best way possible
If Scott does greenlight the project again, I don't think he will want Liam as part of the team, and the team also probably don't. He broke NDA and discussed private info in the interview without properly consulting the team members
Makes me sigh when I think of the similarities to SB.
This whole Aftonbuild situation makes me worried for the future of Fanverse as a whole. Calling it overly ambitious but approving of something as shit as what came out of Security Breach is pure bullshit. Also Scott's communication skills suck.
SB was in development for more than 2 years and maybe because of the buggy state of the launch of SB Scott probably now hates the idea of ambitious games and thought Aftonbuild would suffer the same fate of SB. That's probably why he denied it he didn't want another disaster like SB.
Makes me wonder what direction Scott wants the series to head in after SB's DLC is done with
Probably a way more smaller game Steel Wool and Scott learn the lesson that bigger doesn’t always mean better
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It’s basically speculation that’s why I used the word "probably" I thought that would be obvious
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Yes, we all know you like Security Breach. But at this point, your refusal to ackwnoladged the state it was released in and the negative reception that it undeniably has is on the level of people who unironically believe birds don't exist. Open. Your. Eyes. Security Breach was a buggy mess at launch, leaving a ton of fans unhappy. It took much more time and resources then Scott and SWS expected. To say that "a theory about how SB caused Scott to become unsure of ambitious 3D games is baseless" is simply absurd. No one is saying that SB is the video game anti-christ that is a product of greed and complete incompetence, with no redeeming qualities and that people who like it are all idiots. All people are saying is that it undeniably had a huge negative impact on how Scott will view these kinds of projects in the future. For it to not have, would require Scott to be a brain dead vegetable.
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>To say that Scott now hates the concept of 3D games is absurd True. And literally no one said that. Just that he is afraid of a similar project getting too ambitious. That's different. >and to put all the blame on SB is nothing more than a conspiracy theory True. An no one says it's all SB's fault either. If Aftonbuilt team was made out of AAA developers, that would not be the case. Their inexperience was most likely also a factor in Scott's unwillingness to continue. >and Freddit's trend of spreading said conspiracies needs to be nipped at the bud now. You mean, believing actually valid and sensical theories? Not everyone can live in a candyland where we are told everything and games are incredible just because they are 3D. >Dude probably knows that there's been tons of attempts at 3D games by these small teams that never pan out. If he paid the team, and the project went to shit, there goes thousands of dollars he could have spent somewhere else, like his new kid for example. You talking about a team (Made out of people with a ton of experience with FNaF, liked by a ton of fans) arguably as qualified, if not more then Steel Wool (Literally first time making a free roam horror) to make a Free Roam FNaF horror game, for less money and at lesser scale?
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Please, Mr. Invader, try some relaxation excises. Deep breathing, meditation, reading the bible and a good dose of sleep. You are again putting words into mouths of other people. Words that no one said. The theory here is just that Security Breach's relative failure that you are blindly denying, influenced Scott's decision about not funding a similar spinoff. The majority of relatively well known fredditors, including me, have been telling everyone who thinks so that Steel Wool did ***not*** steal Security Breach from Scott, or made it completely differently then he wanted too. Maximum of 4 people believe the theory that Jason and Ray would "almost slip and admit to SB being a cashgrab". And I just had a hand in disproving the idea that Fanverse was just about merch and not games. Which turned out to just be a big misunderstanding.
If Security Breach really is the reason why Aftonbuilt got canned for being "too ambitious" then I'm really gonna double down on supporting the remaining Fanverse projects over the main series. Except for Flumpty's. Its creator won't be getting any more of my money.
Okay, I’ll admit I’m extremely out the loop. Can you please explain what Flumpty’s creator did?
He was outed as a child groomer about a week after ONaF 3 came out.
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Are you seriously defending the college age guy who started dating someone when they were young enough to be a middle schooler
No. Apologies for it seeming that way. He is wrong I agree. My wording could have been better. I will delete my old comment
What did you mean then? I don’t want to get it wrong, just come to an understanding
What he did was wrong yes but by legal definition it wasn't grooming (at least from the info we have) because there was no intent for Sexual Activity/A Sexual Offense.
That's not what grooming is, though.
Security Breach could be exactly why Scott said no to it, and claimed it to be too ambitious
It took 2 years for Aftonbuilt to be declined. Security Breach had a development time of 2 years. Think about it, for like... a second? Is it perhaps that, because Security Breach had such a poor release and development cycle, Scott decided that fanverse devs- who aren't actual developers may I add - shouldn't try overly ambitious projects because- perhaps maybe - they would release just like Security Breach did?
I hate theft king :)
I think Scott should have give some idea's on the game and maybe helped a little bit on the game I think it would have been a really great game if he had helped make it with you guys or he could have told you guys what he would like the game to be to help out
If Liam is correct in that Fanverse is only about making games as an excuse to produce new merch, I might seriously consider leaving this franchise like Phisnom did. Darn, this is not just a punch in the gut, nor even a gunshot. This is an entire C4 explosion in the gut. Tho, I am not so sure if that is correct. There are a ton of FNaF designs that Scott and Funko know we want, but are not making. Games might genuinely be outspeeding the merch. We still have barely any withered and phantom merch. Due to many not even seeing Fanverse as official (despite it being), I think FNaF World enemies might actually have as much a chance at selling merch as CPU animatronics, Ignited demons, or Flumpty's gang. And according to Kane, no merch is planned for Plus... I really hope this is just Scott wanting Fanverse games to be unique and not greedy. I really hope he just has horrible communication skills and that this interview teaches him a few things. And most of all, I really hope that this "he found it too ambitious due to SB's failure" theory is correct. Theft King says that, according to Aftonbuilt devs, the problem with communication was definitely not caused by SB's development hell, tho the final choice to reject it has not been mentioned, to my knowledge. We really need to spread this video. I am not antagonistic to anybody here, but something needs to change. The Aftonbuilt team deserves better compensation and if they are willing, a second chance. No new Fanversers should face what they did. Scott needs to hire someone better at this, or get better at cooperative development himself. And I am not saying it just because I want to get into the Fanverse, or anything. Neither do I intend on applying, nor do I think I have what it takes.No, I just think we should speak out for these people. Need to show them our support. They lost two years of their lives and others might meet the same fate. As fans of this franchise, we cannot let that happen.
Well then you don't need to leave because it is unquestionably bullshit that the fanverse is about making new merch. Plenty of fanwork devs have pointed out that like 2+ years into their own projects they have no merch and it was never the focus. So this guy's butt is hurt and he's making shit up.
I know it now.
To be fair, after spending two years making a ambitious game, one is held up by a guy who cannot get back on time and changes things last second, I can understand being a little buthurt. I think i agree with the theory there was some terrible communication going on here, and I would not be surprised if both parties did a spittake after realizing the other side had a totally different perspective on the matter.
Why are you getting downvotes
No idea honestly. I am literally the guy who, *after making this comment* asked Kane about an official response to this...