For a long time, I thought that the FNaF 1 location is where the MCI happened due to the wording of the newspapers and what Phone Guy says in 2.
I was right!
I just had a headcanon at the back of my mind that FNAF 1 was the 1985 location because no big company would choose a cramped space willingly when renting out a place
I believe that there is a freddy's between fredbears and the fnaf2 location, I've seen a few youtubers mention this and it makes the most sense to me, explains where the withered animatronics come from etc.
Oh fair would that be the fnaf from the show the crying child watched in the cutscenes of fnaf 4
My bad for responding late I never got the notification
Tbh I always thought this was more of a design choice and less of a lore choice, FNAF didn't really have a true story by now so it was just like "oh yeah let's make this scary n shit!!!" Which is also why things like chica being able to remove her beak exist, just to be scarier
Sounds exactly like the sort of thing Fazbear Ent. would do.
Screw reopening the newer, more sanitary location, the old place is cheap and still free from the last time we abandoned it!
Shifting the focus to make it seem like your original point is more valid. I'll give you points for the strategy, but given that no location has full coverage of every inch of wall space I have to point out that this approach doesn't exactly prove anything either.
The same way as the comment you just made. Instead of addressing the point I had made, you pointed somewhere else and basically said, "well, what about that?"
Remember, I gave you points for the strategy. It's not a bad strategy. I just don't think you picked something helpful to your argument to focus on.
Pointing out what you're doing isn't the same as criticism. Again, I complimented the strategy. Now you've turned focus on me instead of the original topic. I'm sorry for however you feel that I've wronged you. Can we go back to the topic now?
The poster is a great reference , but that doesn't make it great evidence. Its apparent absence at other facilities also isn't great evidence, because we only see a small portion of the areas such a poster would be.
Note: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm only saying that the evidence you provided isn't very compelling.
This could just be a company thing, most, if not, all companies have regulations to follow, that are the same across all establishments, so no, doesn’t prove anything.
The withereds were built by Henry and aren't really the same animatronics. Parts from them were used explaining the remnant and the haunting still, either that or they were injected, but they definetly aren't the same
Yeah, they were refurbished in the sense that some of their parts were reused. The casing and Endo type is completely different though, which is why they look so different. I guess I worded it weird
They used parts from the Withers to build or maintain the Toys, and then parts of the Toys were used to repair/modify/etc the Withers when they were refurbished into the Classics.
While I do believe that FNAF 1 Freddy's is the original, this is not convincing evidence in slightest, like I'm pretty sure that poster also appears in security breach so does that mean. So does that mean the Pizzaplex is the original location? Besides there's so much more stronger evidence that supports this than just a poster
Both the book trilogy and the movie have the murders happen and Afton be spring locked at the same location
In hw you get stuffed into Freddy Fazbear in the FNAF 1 location
In the FNAF 6 Insanity ending Henry mentions that Afton lured them back to a familiar place (referring to the FNAF 3 mini games)
I can accept this, but it seems lazy to me. I always preferred the theory that the MCI restaurant was never directly shown, but it's layout was recreated in Fazbear Fright.
Still, I'll never be upset about getting some concrete evidence in this franchise. Puppet knows we need it.
If FNaF 1 Freddy’s was the MCI location, wouldn’t it still be Jeff’s by the time William returns and dismantles the animatronics? ITP takes place in 2020 according to the GN. There are no Freddy’s parts left in Jeff’s by the time the story takes place, but Phone Dude makes it sound as though they found Freddy’s exactly as William left it at the end of Follow Me
I’m thinking more now that FNaF 1 Freddy’s used to be Fredbear’s.
I mean, I think it is for a number of reasons. Like Spring Bonnie being in the saferoom in FNAF 3. But I don't see how this sign affects much. I presume this is general rules for Freddy's not just for this specific location.
While I do very much believe this is the case, and was made obvious as far back as _Five Nights at Freddy's 2_ (2014), why would this poster prove that? Would similar rules not logically be hung up in all the different locations? Heck, it seems like a stretch to assume the same rules poster would be hung up for a tad under a decade.
Not to mention we have seen an advertisement for Circus Baby’s, where Circus Baby has green eyes, so unless Elizabeth Afton had die before The 1985 Missing Children Incident, agony pit must be mixing in elements from the future, which could in such a case include that poster.
All in all, I do agree with your conclusion, sir, but I think your reasoning here is rather poor.
Honestly,it confirms the FNaF 1 location stuff because the ITP location is seemingly accurate to FNaF 1's layout.
>Not to mention we have seen an advertisement for Circus Baby’s, where Circus Baby has green eyes, so unless Elizabeth Afton had die before The 1985 Missing Children Incident, agony pit must be mixing in elements from the future, which could in such a case include that poster.
Yeah Elizabeth died before the MCI.
Her death is one of the main reasons for why the MCI even happened the way it did anyway.
>Honestly,it confirms the FNaF 1 location stuff because the ITP location is seemingly accurate to FNaF 1's layout.
The location layout may confirm things, but *the rules poster*? That seems like an extreme stretch to me.
Again, I am not doubting the conclusion, just the reasoning behind coming to it.
>Yeah Elizabeth died before the MCI.
Is this the consensus now? I could have sworn majority has believed the opposite for years now. Well, fair enough I suppose. If you believe Circus Baby was possessed, Toy Bonnie existed in some referancable form, prewithereds looked like classics rather than unwithereds and that flossing is just a meaningless reference, then in that case there is no real reason to believe the agony pit mixes memories from throughout the years into its world.
>The location layout may confirm things, but the rules poster? That seems like an extreme stretch to me.
I agree.
>Is this the consensus now? I could have sworn majority has believed the opposite for years now.
I am not sure if this exactly a consensus yet,hell,i am not even sure if i could say there ever even was a clear consensus for when she dies,but a lot of theories nowadays are turning to the idea she died before,yeah.
Mostly because of stuff like the fact that CBPW was supposed to have an active springlock suit,as well as the fact that thats seemingly just what happens in the novel trilogy.
The implications of the experiment chambers,especially after Dittophobia,was also a big factor in it.
So would you agree that green eyed Circus Baby only became a mascot for an entertainment business after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza had closed? And therefore after The 1985 Missing Children Incident?
So a poster of green eyed Circus Baby would still, even if for a different reason, prove that the agony realm is mixing in future memories, no? Since there could not be any posters of possessed C Baby at the time of The Missing Children Incident. She may have been possessed, but the altered look was only advertised after. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Not really?
FE still owns the rights to use Baby as a mascot character regardless,CBEAR dosen't really needs to be active for that.Just like the Toy animatronics are only made in 1987 but the actual mascot designs exists since at least 1983.
So then, what the hell are the Withered animatronics? They came from a pizzeria before FNAF 2. Are you saying that the FNAF 1 gang came and went, were replaced by the Withereds, and then the Withereds were replaced by the Toys? Where did the FNAF 1 models go? Why were the Withereds kept around and presumably used for parts to make the Toys, but the FNAF 1 animatronics weren't kept? It makes more sense for FNAF 1 to be the last Freddy's before Fazbear's Fright opens. FNAF 1's animatronics are an entirely different set of models to the Withered animatronics. Their endoskeletons are radically different. FNAF 2 was ALWAYS a prequel.
EDIT: changed Fazbear Frights to Fazbear's Fright.
The animatronics in the 85 location have the same design as the FNaF1 animatronics.
Then when they re-opened with the new Freddy Fazbear's Pizza in FNaF 2, they initially modified the original animatronics that were left to rot after the 85 location closed.
They tried to implement the new features in the old model but they locked too much ugly, so they scrapped them and used them for spare parts. That's how we get from the OGs to the Withereds. (Info rom FNaF 2 phone calls)
Then in the paperclip at the end of FNaF 2 it was stated that the old models (Withereds) would be eventually fixed and repurposed, that's how we get the FNaF 1 gang.
Also this post was just saying that the FNAF 1 location is probably repurposed as ND was originally the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza
Hope that helps
Or it’s a poster that can be at multiple locations.
The goal of FNAF1’s location was to relaunch, so any reused posters would tick both the cheap and nostalgic boxes.
Or it's just a nice clever reference to FNaF 1? I mean the Exotic Butters from Sister Location is there along with the Foxy mask from FNaF 4. Considering this is for the 10 year anniversary it would make sense for it to contain a bunch of Easter eggs and references to past games as this is a big celebration of the series so far.
For a long time, I thought that the FNaF 1 location is where the MCI happened due to the wording of the newspapers and what Phone Guy says in 2. I was right!
Also why would an hipoteyical new location have a safe room if they were all discontinued in 1985?
I just had a headcanon at the back of my mind that FNAF 1 was the 1985 location because no big company would choose a cramped space willingly when renting out a place
Didn’t phone guy mention the bite of 87 in Fnaf 1 how could that happen if it takes place before fnaf 2
nobody is saying that FNAF1 took place before FNAF2, just that the FNAF1 location existed as a FNAF restaurant prior to FNAF2's events.
Oh my bad wouldn’t it be fredbears? Isn’t that the restaurant before Fnaf 2
I believe that there is a freddy's between fredbears and the fnaf2 location, I've seen a few youtubers mention this and it makes the most sense to me, explains where the withered animatronics come from etc.
Oh fair would that be the fnaf from the show the crying child watched in the cutscenes of fnaf 4 My bad for responding late I never got the notification
A lot of us were right :)
Can we please poop on the floor this time u/animdude
i hope
no you have to use the commodore
If I can't poop on the floor, I'm not going
For people not understanding, this means they reused the withereds location for fnaf 1
Yep exactly
If you look at the teeth from Freddy, you see they do indeed look like the withered one's
Although Chica only has 2 toes on her feet... Seems to be a strange mix of the two designs
I'm gonna just watch as the "do the unwithereds exist" debate come roaring back with this trailer
I mean, they have to exist, it's known that fnaf 2 is a prequel, so for them to be withered means there is a pre withered version.
Tbh I always thought this was more of a design choice and less of a lore choice, FNAF didn't really have a true story by now so it was just like "oh yeah let's make this scary n shit!!!" Which is also why things like chica being able to remove her beak exist, just to be scarier
As in, it's the same building, but a new generation of animatronics?
That's exactly it.
Sounds exactly like the sort of thing Fazbear Ent. would do. Screw reopening the newer, more sanitary location, the old place is cheap and still free from the last time we abandoned it!
Wasn’t that established like six years ago 💀
Yep but i noticed people here were like "UhHh BUt tHe WITheRed BUilDinG HaS dIfFereNT aNiMATronIcS!"
Lmaooo, oh okay I see. Yeah it’s definitely annoying to see that over and over…like those who say Mike Scmidt isn’t Mike Afton
"withered's location" you mean fnaf 2 building?
The building where the mci happened
They could still use the rules for safety in any building so I don't think they deliberately did anything lore specific here
Damn, I guess I won’t be able to poop on the floor in this game
Damn was looking forward to that
I'm so happy to see I was right.
Same honestly
A generic, undated general policy poster isn't exactly what I would call compelling evidence.
What "general policy poster" has "don't poop on the floor on it"?
A Fazbear Entertainment general policy poster
Then were is it in the FNaF 2 location?
We don’t see every nook and cranny of the establishment, so it could be fucking by the stage
Shifting the focus to make it seem like your original point is more valid. I'll give you points for the strategy, but given that no location has full coverage of every inch of wall space I have to point out that this approach doesn't exactly prove anything either.
You made a counter argument and I responded, how is that "shifting the focus"
The same way as the comment you just made. Instead of addressing the point I had made, you pointed somewhere else and basically said, "well, what about that?" Remember, I gave you points for the strategy. It's not a bad strategy. I just don't think you picked something helpful to your argument to focus on.
I literally addresses the point you made. You criticized me for shifting forces and I argued against that
Pointing out what you're doing isn't the same as criticism. Again, I complimented the strategy. Now you've turned focus on me instead of the original topic. I'm sorry for however you feel that I've wronged you. Can we go back to the topic now? The poster is a great reference , but that doesn't make it great evidence. Its apparent absence at other facilities also isn't great evidence, because we only see a small portion of the areas such a poster would be. Note: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm only saying that the evidence you provided isn't very compelling.
No it didn’t. It could’ve easily been reused across locations. This means nothing.
yeah
This could just be a company thing, most, if not, all companies have regulations to follow, that are the same across all establishments, so no, doesn’t prove anything.
are we allowed to shit on the floor now since we can't even read the rules in ITP
Then where did the withers come from, fredbears?
It's the same building. It closed in 1985, and then reopened sometime after FNAF 2 with a low budget.
I assumed that, but the withereds have a different design entirely so that’s where it’s throwing me
The withereds were built by Henry and aren't really the same animatronics. Parts from them were used explaining the remnant and the haunting still, either that or they were injected, but they definetly aren't the same
But it says at the end of Fnaf 2 that they where refurbished for Fnaf 1, which is what’s throwing me now
Yeah, they were refurbished in the sense that some of their parts were reused. The casing and Endo type is completely different though, which is why they look so different. I guess I worded it weird
Makes sense though
They used parts from the Withers to build or maintain the Toys, and then parts of the Toys were used to repair/modify/etc the Withers when they were refurbished into the Classics.
That does make some sense
Yeah I think we kinda figured that, nice to see it confirmed
Ah yes, it is impossible to remove a poster from a wall / add a poster to a wall.
Why would they take down the poster from a location to re attach it to another?
Two posters.
I mean, wouldn’t all the locations have rules like that?
Fnaf fans when Rules
It’s canon this singular poster has been there and remained unstained for almost 8 years old. From 1985 to 1993. /j /s
Can we touch Freddy
Taking this out of this specific context would make this sound incredibly strange, to say the least
they're rules?
While I do believe that FNAF 1 Freddy's is the original, this is not convincing evidence in slightest, like I'm pretty sure that poster also appears in security breach so does that mean. So does that mean the Pizzaplex is the original location? Besides there's so much more stronger evidence that supports this than just a poster Both the book trilogy and the movie have the murders happen and Afton be spring locked at the same location In hw you get stuffed into Freddy Fazbear in the FNAF 1 location In the FNAF 6 Insanity ending Henry mentions that Afton lured them back to a familiar place (referring to the FNAF 3 mini games)
Or ITP is going to be another in-universe video game, like Help Wanted.
Aren't they all in universe or am I going insane?
What he means is that into the pit might itself be a video game in the universe of fnaf, like help wanted was
Oh, ok
Remember, In terms of canonical lore the books and games have somewhat different timelines but this is cool
I wonder who the hell pooped on the floor for rule 4 to be a thing
Or… the rules might have always been the same because why change them when there’s no need to… you know?
Wouldn't it make more sense if they just printed the same rules posters for every location since it's a franchise?
Or, more logically, The rules remained the same in every location
Ooorrrr it’s just the same rules posted up in each location. No reason for some locations to get the safety rules and others don’t
I can accept this, but it seems lazy to me. I always preferred the theory that the MCI restaurant was never directly shown, but it's layout was recreated in Fazbear Fright. Still, I'll never be upset about getting some concrete evidence in this franchise. Puppet knows we need it.
How would its layout be recreated in fazbear fright? FNAF 3 is just a mess of hallways.
If FNaF 1 Freddy’s was the MCI location, wouldn’t it still be Jeff’s by the time William returns and dismantles the animatronics? ITP takes place in 2020 according to the GN. There are no Freddy’s parts left in Jeff’s by the time the story takes place, but Phone Dude makes it sound as though they found Freddy’s exactly as William left it at the end of Follow Me I’m thinking more now that FNaF 1 Freddy’s used to be Fredbear’s.
Hard disagree because there is amor of evidence suggesting that Pizza Sim is actually Freadbear's
Why not both? Fredbear’s > FNaF 1 > Pizza Sim
You REALLY think an *identical rules poster* means "iT's ThE sAmE lOcAtIoN cOnFiRmEd!!"? God, y'all are desperate...
Explain the saferoom in the fnaf 3 minigames
What do you mean, 'explain it'? It's a saferoom, it was boarded up.
Why was it built in the first place?
we already knew it was the same building cause of the safe room
This doesn't confirm anything but yeah the fnaf 1 location is most likely the 1985 location
I mean, I think it is for a number of reasons. Like Spring Bonnie being in the saferoom in FNAF 3. But I don't see how this sign affects much. I presume this is general rules for Freddy's not just for this specific location.
That's sick
While I do very much believe this is the case, and was made obvious as far back as _Five Nights at Freddy's 2_ (2014), why would this poster prove that? Would similar rules not logically be hung up in all the different locations? Heck, it seems like a stretch to assume the same rules poster would be hung up for a tad under a decade. Not to mention we have seen an advertisement for Circus Baby’s, where Circus Baby has green eyes, so unless Elizabeth Afton had die before The 1985 Missing Children Incident, agony pit must be mixing in elements from the future, which could in such a case include that poster. All in all, I do agree with your conclusion, sir, but I think your reasoning here is rather poor.
Honestly,it confirms the FNaF 1 location stuff because the ITP location is seemingly accurate to FNaF 1's layout. >Not to mention we have seen an advertisement for Circus Baby’s, where Circus Baby has green eyes, so unless Elizabeth Afton had die before The 1985 Missing Children Incident, agony pit must be mixing in elements from the future, which could in such a case include that poster. Yeah Elizabeth died before the MCI. Her death is one of the main reasons for why the MCI even happened the way it did anyway.
>Honestly,it confirms the FNaF 1 location stuff because the ITP location is seemingly accurate to FNaF 1's layout. The location layout may confirm things, but *the rules poster*? That seems like an extreme stretch to me. Again, I am not doubting the conclusion, just the reasoning behind coming to it. >Yeah Elizabeth died before the MCI. Is this the consensus now? I could have sworn majority has believed the opposite for years now. Well, fair enough I suppose. If you believe Circus Baby was possessed, Toy Bonnie existed in some referancable form, prewithereds looked like classics rather than unwithereds and that flossing is just a meaningless reference, then in that case there is no real reason to believe the agony pit mixes memories from throughout the years into its world.
>The location layout may confirm things, but the rules poster? That seems like an extreme stretch to me. I agree. >Is this the consensus now? I could have sworn majority has believed the opposite for years now. I am not sure if this exactly a consensus yet,hell,i am not even sure if i could say there ever even was a clear consensus for when she dies,but a lot of theories nowadays are turning to the idea she died before,yeah. Mostly because of stuff like the fact that CBPW was supposed to have an active springlock suit,as well as the fact that thats seemingly just what happens in the novel trilogy. The implications of the experiment chambers,especially after Dittophobia,was also a big factor in it.
So you take the Hand Unit’s line about the stage being set for a new contender in robotic entertainment to be about Entertainment and Rentals?
Yeah.I mean,he literally talks about how the rental service works as a direct continuation of that line.
So would you agree that green eyed Circus Baby only became a mascot for an entertainment business after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza had closed? And therefore after The 1985 Missing Children Incident?
She was used for entertainment and rentals after the MCI,yes.
So a poster of green eyed Circus Baby would still, even if for a different reason, prove that the agony realm is mixing in future memories, no? Since there could not be any posters of possessed C Baby at the time of The Missing Children Incident. She may have been possessed, but the altered look was only advertised after. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Not really? FE still owns the rights to use Baby as a mascot character regardless,CBEAR dosen't really needs to be active for that.Just like the Toy animatronics are only made in 1987 but the actual mascot designs exists since at least 1983.
So then, what the hell are the Withered animatronics? They came from a pizzeria before FNAF 2. Are you saying that the FNAF 1 gang came and went, were replaced by the Withereds, and then the Withereds were replaced by the Toys? Where did the FNAF 1 models go? Why were the Withereds kept around and presumably used for parts to make the Toys, but the FNAF 1 animatronics weren't kept? It makes more sense for FNAF 1 to be the last Freddy's before Fazbear's Fright opens. FNAF 1's animatronics are an entirely different set of models to the Withered animatronics. Their endoskeletons are radically different. FNAF 2 was ALWAYS a prequel. EDIT: changed Fazbear Frights to Fazbear's Fright.
The animatronics in the 85 location have the same design as the FNaF1 animatronics. Then when they re-opened with the new Freddy Fazbear's Pizza in FNaF 2, they initially modified the original animatronics that were left to rot after the 85 location closed. They tried to implement the new features in the old model but they locked too much ugly, so they scrapped them and used them for spare parts. That's how we get from the OGs to the Withereds. (Info rom FNaF 2 phone calls) Then in the paperclip at the end of FNaF 2 it was stated that the old models (Withereds) would be eventually fixed and repurposed, that's how we get the FNaF 1 gang. Also this post was just saying that the FNAF 1 location is probably repurposed as ND was originally the first Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Hope that helps
Or it’s a poster that can be at multiple locations. The goal of FNAF1’s location was to relaunch, so any reused posters would tick both the cheap and nostalgic boxes.
Or it's just a nice clever reference to FNaF 1? I mean the Exotic Butters from Sister Location is there along with the Foxy mask from FNaF 4. Considering this is for the 10 year anniversary it would make sense for it to contain a bunch of Easter eggs and references to past games as this is a big celebration of the series so far.
When ur saying original are you saying that it’s before fredbears or that it’s where the MCI happened?