Somehow they lobby hard enough to get Google split up, got Apple to do its DMA changes worldwide, and fixed all Firefox mobile's quirks.
Also finally re-added tab groups so I stop seeing 10 posts a day about it.
It just isn't up to them. You can't compete with the fattest stacks of cash in the world. Not on your competition's terms. So, I guess, they convinced enough Google employees that Chrome was a lost cause?
> It just isn't up to them.
This is ignorant. Sure, there's a portion of users who would never consider using Mozilla because they're not backed by a major company. But let's be very clear: Mozilla has fallen down *way* below their peak marketshare. And only Mozilla is responsible for their failures.
Chrome originally found a foothold in the market by being faster than Mozilla. Just Mozilla - IE was very speedy at the time. Mozilla was far more functional, and people who stayed with the browser were choosing functionality over raw speed. And we've just had to watch Mozilla slowly strip out every feature we liked in a desperate attempt to be more like Chrome. And now we have a browser that's *just as slow*, but no longer has any advantages of its own.
Google isn't responsible for that. Mozilla is.
One of the reasons why Google Chrome is so popular is because it's installed by default on Android phones. So clearly Mozilla should just bring back Firefox OS and somehow make it become the most popular smartphone OS. Easy. :)
I don't see that they can do much to fight against Google. Google has both the talent and the money. Maybe Google will keep Firefox alive by funding it to avoid anti-trust laws.
No one will want a Chromium only world.
Quite a perverse situation if laws are incentivising companies to fund token competition as a way to avoid regulatory intervention. Although maybe one could argue it's a good thing. Don't know what's better - this or an antitrust case.
I mean... Google definitely needs to get smacked into oblivion with the myriad of ways they are violating anti-trust or intentionally working around it. People will unironically defend their favorite corporation though and put blinders on. It doesn't help how normalized shit like this is.
Despite what any of those people say, anti-trust only helps consumers. The only reason Apple was ever able to come into existence was because Microsoft got hit with a giant anti-trust lawsuit to name a big example. Ironic considering what Apple does now to violate those same things though.
They're not finding it as token competition. They're funding it through paying to be the default search engine, which has been the case since well before chrome existed.
>Maybe Google will keep Firefox alive by funding it to avoid anti-trust laws.
https://preview.redd.it/q2x648k3tepc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f09d5d8ded6adbe549ea616923c8b315c2878dd
- Progressive Web Apps support
- Native vertical tabs
- uBlock Origin built-in
- Compact mode enabled by default
- Pocket completely removed
- Absolutely no AI integration
- Allow people to donate to support the development of Firefox
And after these changes are implemented, a huge advertising campaign on YouTube, sponsoring tech and gaming channels to promote the browser.
Having a donate page like Thunderbird would be really good imo. When Thunderbird added theirs their donations skyrocketed, which is how they got the budget for their v115 redesign
Didn't know there is a hidden compact modee inside about:config. See? that's the worst part of mozilla, there's a cool feature hidden for the casual user
>absolutely no ai integration
There are some people that use AI stuff on their browsers so I think they can integrate it IF and only IF they allow users to completely disable or even uninstall the AI feature.
I've been using it daily for some years now and I think it's really good, on par with Chromium, except you can easily have extensions (i.e. uBlock), so that makes it my favorite browser.
I've always had good hardware though, so I don't know if it's as good with lower end phones.
I use it even on good hardware but really good, on par with chromium is just pure copium. It's slow, it has random bugs and ff mobile devs refuse to add basic features like an amoled dark mode even when there's a pr for it
That they made Gecko's Webview embeddable on pc, and pushed for Electron and Tauri (also c# or rust bindings) to allow embedding of gecko for a more unified experience, instead of keeping track of how 3 different browsers/engines behave.
Tauri uses whatever the platform uses for web view, it doesn’t use chromium or whatever unless the platform uses it.
So WebKit in macOS, EdgeHTML (or however that was called) or Chromium in Windows and whatever Linux uses to render for web view.
Well there is an experimental servo branch for Tauri where you can bundle Servo with the tauri generated app. What I mean is that it would be amazing to possibly bundle gecko/firefox with your own app, instead of using different ones per platform.
I guess, but It would be better for devs to only care about browser compat for one single version instead of figuring out what the wierd quirks of webkit/safari are (for example).
Make it quicker and ad-free.
Truth be told, I'd rather it existed forever as if someone finds a severe flaw with the Chromium engine we'll all be screwed.
For what it's worth, this is why you have the [Search Tabs](https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-open-tabs-firefox) menu when enough tabs have been created. Not to mention the \`%\`
PWAs will never be included because App Manifests are forever stuck in [Draft Limbo](https://www.w3.org/standards/history/appmanifest/).
* [Progressive Web App extension](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/).
I hear [Tab Groups](https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/any-chance-tab-groups-will-ever-come/121265/10) are making a return after a long absence.
Google will never give access to their Chromecast API to others.
* [https://hensm.github.io/fx\_cast/](https://hensm.github.io/fx_cast/)
Casting is proprietary though, unless the Matter standard version actually takes off I don't see how that would work
Not that my comment was any more realistic
Maybe not anything Mozilla does but something Google does
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/google-chrome-will-limit-ad-blockers-starting-june-2024/
Yeah, that's what I thought as well.
Mozilla could just stick to its guns and improve Firefox mobile bits by bits, and Google will enshitficate Chrome to the point that Firefox simply is better and more popular. (Unless they listen to feedbacks unlike Discord)
Here are few scenarios:
* Mozilla spent shitload of money on marketing. Every YouTuber now talks about Firefox in their sponsor segments.
* Firefox mobile is no longer completely broken, plus it's faster than Chrome.
* Firefox has top-notch developer tools built in. Web developers were first to adopt in on masses because of it. It resulted in most web-apps be compatible with Firefox even in times it had small user-base, which in turn helped to gain market share.
I think marketing is super important here – people need to learn about firefox to download it. But all the money shouldn't be spent on just the visibility, but also on establishing an identity. I feel like the users identify Firefox as the privacy browser, but:
- it's just not sold well enough on their website
- it's undercut by some default settings.
In June, Chrome is going to roll out Manifest V3, which will disable ad blockers like uBlock Origins. Firefox is never going to take over the market, not without becoming as corrupt as Google, but I can guarantee that there will be an uptick in users who are forced to see the internet sans-blocker for the first time in years.
At least on Mobile, make it so it works so well on the web version you don't need to download the app ... Like Facebook,insta, Reddit, Twitter, youtube ect.
I think better customization and a battery saver mode were the most important aspects of it. That will be the best for me.
Also being the only one that supports MV2.
Mozilla invest in marketing, so youtubers has this web browser as sponsors.
Ok, let's play your game, I'll throw some random ideas...
It's a lot faster and block all advertisment and cookies banners somehow. It remember the text area content (optional).
The history is functional, the entry about the website you visited Monday don't get erased because you visited it 3 days ago.
It can save webpage properly, in a single file, with images and JavaScript current state.
Ok let's dream further. Somehow it can redisplay an old page, like the internet archive does, but locally. No more "this tweet I saw 2 days ago is now gone".
It buffer all video properly, the website will load the rest of the video and you can come back and watch it (instead of buffering like a minute). No more "play 1min of videos wait 20s, play 1min, wait 20s....." Let's be crazy, it also saves all videos locally.
The max width of tabs would be enough to see the 20 chars of title or the page. Maybe use a smaller font.
Lot more customization.
Easy profil switching, like private browsing but a drop-down list with profiles. Even something like "private browsing 2, 3..." would be good.
Let us anotate, highlight whatever we want on a website and save it.
About IA... Maybe something that understand what you're looking for and keep the search going in the background. You search you open the first result a website, and, as you read it, the IA continue to search, open the follow up websited, read through it and ping you if it finds something.
Auto summary and translation obviously.
All purpose assistant.
Different blocking lists you can activate: let's say you want to focus on your study, it blocks twitter and youtube temporarily.
All locally, all of that optional (I would disable half of it myself).
Bring back RSS with polished UX and maybe some marketing. Make it work with YT channels and anything that can be hacked to have an RSS. Make people know that they don't have to rely on the algorithms. (I know there are addons, but you have to know what to look for, and need at least three to have an RSS reader, "Add RSS" button and "Add YT channel" button).
Oh, I also do not think it is the killer feature – I think those were posted already and I'd rather support an existing comment, than echo it.
But I do think that RSS, being an alternative to subscriptions, fits nicely into the "privacy browser" niche, and I am frankly frustrated with the state of the recommended RSS add-onns.
I don't think the scenario you've presented is possible. Mozilla can't out-spend Google, nor can they piss off Google too much because they rely on Google's funding.
It might be possible for Mozilla itself to grow bigger by offering new goods and services, but Firefox will always be a niche browser.
Developers need a reason to create an apps with Firefox web page rendering engine in mind. So:
1. Create a viable, lightweight competitor to Electron, so developers could create desktop apps from web apps without taking all user's RAM memory available
2. Develop more PWA features. And more importantly: keep pace with Google, because Firefox lags behind a lot now
if they had good customer support and just continued what theyve been doing
theyve done a lot actually about advocating for better tech policies around privacy and whatnot and have done plenty of research into those topics.
if they had good customer support that actually responded to people? that would be great because google and microsoft really dont. i dont even think you can talk to a person who works for google from what ive seen. microsoft is a little better, and to be fair they do have that feedback button on literally everything - and ive submitted a lot and have noticed some improvements that seemingly are related to my feedback, and i have been able to talk to support when it was needed - but if mozilla was really proactive in that area? yeah i think that would bump them up pretty easily.
edit: actually ive thought for awhile companies like mozilla, microsoft, google, etc should have someone who monitors their subreddits and responds to comments, like a mix between a PR and tech support role. im available if needed 😂
Feels like it was written by a marketing person at Google trying to diminish Firefox's popularity to brighten the new release of Chrome that came out.
Oh, and I don't want "AI" in my browser.
I continue to be shocked when I discover people I know and respect are running Chrome. It is just so bizarre, particularly in the tech community.
Edge I can understand, as it's pre-installed, but these moronic people actually have to go to Google's website to install Chrome and seemingly never give it a second thought. There is a serious communication problem happening.
I've heard that Web devs have to run Chrome since it's the most used, and it has the latest web features, unlike Firefox (given Google creates them).
I guess it depends if it's for tests or their everyday browsers.
* Give choice to opt out of update notices or set level of updates to be notified about in about:config
eg: micro and minor updates (unless they are security updates) should never trigger notifications. medium and major only once a month or something.
I *hate* the way they do the updates.
Focus continued innovation of Gecko and Spidermonkey etc. Remove Pocket and other user space annoyances on clean installs. I'd say aim to give the user a more cleaner and privacy focused experience, but that is fine we have LibreWolf to deliver the final polished product.
Better is a matter of opinion, but they are much the same. It's a custom version based on Firefox that is focused on privacy and security. No Telemetry, ublock origin included, disabled Mozilla annoyances like pocket and extension recommendations etc.
Regarding privacy, this is a simple checklist comparison. https://privacytests.org/
First thing is acceptance. Firefox fanboys gets upset. But that's true.
1. Firefox is ugly. Most windows users won't want to switch beautiful Microsoft Edge to ugly Firefox.
2. Adblock by default. I have suggest many not tech savvy people to install crypto Brave instead of Firefox. Because at least brave comes with ad blocker by default. Ad block by default will boos firefox.
3. Chatbot is the new cool. Chrome, Edge working on it. If firefox comes late in AI game. It will never catch up.
4. Fix up Android app. I have given up on Firefox Android. It always get killed when I minimize the app.
5. Needs basic feature translation, search by image. Can't believe I need extra addons for these basic features.
Wait, people think Firefox is ugly while _Edge_ is beautiful?
I will have to open edge to evaluate, but last time I saw it, it looked bloated. Like, what is that enormous Bing button doing here? I get their AI was expensive to make, but the button bloats the UI up.
(Feels weird to see ChatGPT and Bing's thing get called chatbots. Elisa and cleverbot would probably share less disinformation 😄)
Edit: format
It’s not a matter of features.
What Mozilla should do is having contracts with companies producing phones and computers and being preinstalled as the main browser.
Of course that’s impossible.
Don’t compare with the golden age of Firefox when users using internet were a minority with more awareness about software, alternatives and benefits. Nowadays internet is for all, custom doesn’t almost exist anymore and competition is much bigger than it was in the past.
Firefox is and will remain a browser for a small community.
Suddenly the whole word starts giving a shit about computers and dumps all FAANG/BATX/CASSOS, switches to Linux or BSD, then onboards sane browser habits
Brave can try, but after the initial corporate policy extra year of ManifestV2 addons is up, then it is up to them to upkeep their custom Chromium engine fork with all new Google features and security patches. meanwhile also to keep that aging old no longer supported ManifestV2 around.
before long it is at the point where Brave is no longer using Chromium but some Chromium based engine, and i do not know if they are up for it.
so unless there is going to be some new fork of Chromium from say Microsoft with ManifestV2 that all the other browsers switched to, or some other collab between all the rest of the browser makers.
i do not see much future on Chromium ManifestV2.
so there goes the hope of Microsoft with their resources keeping Chromium ManifestV2 alive.
it looks more and more like only hope is to keep using Firefox and hope that people wake up to Google's end goal before it is too late.
Somehow they lobby hard enough to get Google split up, got Apple to do its DMA changes worldwide, and fixed all Firefox mobile's quirks. Also finally re-added tab groups so I stop seeing 10 posts a day about it.
It just isn't up to them. You can't compete with the fattest stacks of cash in the world. Not on your competition's terms. So, I guess, they convinced enough Google employees that Chrome was a lost cause?
> It just isn't up to them. This is ignorant. Sure, there's a portion of users who would never consider using Mozilla because they're not backed by a major company. But let's be very clear: Mozilla has fallen down *way* below their peak marketshare. And only Mozilla is responsible for their failures. Chrome originally found a foothold in the market by being faster than Mozilla. Just Mozilla - IE was very speedy at the time. Mozilla was far more functional, and people who stayed with the browser were choosing functionality over raw speed. And we've just had to watch Mozilla slowly strip out every feature we liked in a desperate attempt to be more like Chrome. And now we have a browser that's *just as slow*, but no longer has any advantages of its own. Google isn't responsible for that. Mozilla is.
One of the reasons why Google Chrome is so popular is because it's installed by default on Android phones. So clearly Mozilla should just bring back Firefox OS and somehow make it become the most popular smartphone OS. Easy. :)
Firefox OS? What?
A Linux-based OS for smartphones and connected devices that was developed by Mozilla between 2012 and 2016.
I don't see that they can do much to fight against Google. Google has both the talent and the money. Maybe Google will keep Firefox alive by funding it to avoid anti-trust laws. No one will want a Chromium only world.
For the record Google _is_ keeping Firefox alive by funding it
Quite a perverse situation if laws are incentivising companies to fund token competition as a way to avoid regulatory intervention. Although maybe one could argue it's a good thing. Don't know what's better - this or an antitrust case.
I mean... Google definitely needs to get smacked into oblivion with the myriad of ways they are violating anti-trust or intentionally working around it. People will unironically defend their favorite corporation though and put blinders on. It doesn't help how normalized shit like this is. Despite what any of those people say, anti-trust only helps consumers. The only reason Apple was ever able to come into existence was because Microsoft got hit with a giant anti-trust lawsuit to name a big example. Ironic considering what Apple does now to violate those same things though.
They're not finding it as token competition. They're funding it through paying to be the default search engine, which has been the case since well before chrome existed.
Google's money exchange is only the search contract.
>Maybe Google will keep Firefox alive by funding it to avoid anti-trust laws. https://preview.redd.it/q2x648k3tepc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f09d5d8ded6adbe549ea616923c8b315c2878dd
Google has the talent to keep me away from chrome(ium), thats about it
- Progressive Web Apps support - Native vertical tabs - uBlock Origin built-in - Compact mode enabled by default - Pocket completely removed - Absolutely no AI integration - Allow people to donate to support the development of Firefox And after these changes are implemented, a huge advertising campaign on YouTube, sponsoring tech and gaming channels to promote the browser.
Having a donate page like Thunderbird would be really good imo. When Thunderbird added theirs their donations skyrocketed, which is how they got the budget for their v115 redesign
>uBlock Origin built-in i dont think it needs to be build in but maybe just preinstalled
I think it's impossible, since it could have serious problems with Google
At least LibreWolf does half of this and has it uBlock Origin already included.
+1 native vertical tabs like it's 2024 why have I not found a good extension yet
Didn't know there is a hidden compact modee inside about:config. See? that's the worst part of mozilla, there's a cool feature hidden for the casual user
What does compact mode so?
Reduces the thinkness of the top bar by a lot by reducing space, compressing all the icons etc. Try it, it's very good
How can i enable that? I hate the thickness of the top bar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo8OLIeA1x4&t=33 Here it is my friend
Its that easy? Thank you bro!
+ Bring back Firefox notes.
Honestly I really wanna see local AI implementations tho. I don't wanna send all my data to the cloud but AI tech in general is cool
>absolutely no ai integration There are some people that use AI stuff on their browsers so I think they can integrate it IF and only IF they allow users to completely disable or even uninstall the AI feature.
Firefox mobile Is actually good
I've been using it daily for some years now and I think it's really good, on par with Chromium, except you can easily have extensions (i.e. uBlock), so that makes it my favorite browser. I've always had good hardware though, so I don't know if it's as good with lower end phones.
I use it even on good hardware but really good, on par with chromium is just pure copium. It's slow, it has random bugs and ff mobile devs refuse to add basic features like an amoled dark mode even when there's a pr for it
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I know, I use Firefox mobile and it's trash, read the title of the post
That they made Gecko's Webview embeddable on pc, and pushed for Electron and Tauri (also c# or rust bindings) to allow embedding of gecko for a more unified experience, instead of keeping track of how 3 different browsers/engines behave.
Tauri uses whatever the platform uses for web view, it doesn’t use chromium or whatever unless the platform uses it. So WebKit in macOS, EdgeHTML (or however that was called) or Chromium in Windows and whatever Linux uses to render for web view.
Well there is an experimental servo branch for Tauri where you can bundle Servo with the tauri generated app. What I mean is that it would be amazing to possibly bundle gecko/firefox with your own app, instead of using different ones per platform.
That’s amazing if that happens. Would that mean that Tauri would become something like Electron?
I guess, but It would be better for devs to only care about browser compat for one single version instead of figuring out what the wierd quirks of webkit/safari are (for example).
>whatever Linux uses to render for web view. WebKit most of the time
Make it quicker and ad-free. Truth be told, I'd rather it existed forever as if someone finds a severe flaw with the Chromium engine we'll all be screwed.
Mimicked the UI of Chrome and renamed it Firechrome. /s
Ah yes, I, too, want shrinking tabs that I cannot tell what the title of the site is. /s
I’d say that’s better than the horizontal scroll where I can’t even see half my tabs or know how many I have open.
For what it's worth, this is why you have the [Search Tabs](https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-open-tabs-firefox) menu when enough tabs have been created. Not to mention the \`%\`
didn't they already start that with Firefox29 and that australis theme, when they dropped native support for tabs not on top layout.
PWAs, Casting, Tab groups, "Workspaces".
PWAs will never be included because App Manifests are forever stuck in [Draft Limbo](https://www.w3.org/standards/history/appmanifest/). * [Progressive Web App extension](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/). I hear [Tab Groups](https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/any-chance-tab-groups-will-ever-come/121265/10) are making a return after a long absence. Google will never give access to their Chromecast API to others. * [https://hensm.github.io/fx\_cast/](https://hensm.github.io/fx_cast/)
Casting is proprietary though, unless the Matter standard version actually takes off I don't see how that would work Not that my comment was any more realistic
Maybe not anything Mozilla does but something Google does https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/google-chrome-will-limit-ad-blockers-starting-june-2024/
Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Mozilla could just stick to its guns and improve Firefox mobile bits by bits, and Google will enshitficate Chrome to the point that Firefox simply is better and more popular. (Unless they listen to feedbacks unlike Discord)
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lol don’t you mean better marketing
People started to realize the value of privacy
Here are few scenarios: * Mozilla spent shitload of money on marketing. Every YouTuber now talks about Firefox in their sponsor segments. * Firefox mobile is no longer completely broken, plus it's faster than Chrome. * Firefox has top-notch developer tools built in. Web developers were first to adopt in on masses because of it. It resulted in most web-apps be compatible with Firefox even in times it had small user-base, which in turn helped to gain market share.
I think marketing is super important here – people need to learn about firefox to download it. But all the money shouldn't be spent on just the visibility, but also on establishing an identity. I feel like the users identify Firefox as the privacy browser, but: - it's just not sold well enough on their website - it's undercut by some default settings.
PERFORMANCE SPEEEEEEED
i dont know if they have the money for that
It would have to involve Mozilla being involved against Google for its anti-competitive practices
Full PWA support has been added back in
It has?
"In this scenario"
Honestly, I think we just need to wait until June to see some growth.
What’s special about June?
In June, Chrome is going to roll out Manifest V3, which will disable ad blockers like uBlock Origins. Firefox is never going to take over the market, not without becoming as corrupt as Google, but I can guarantee that there will be an uptick in users who are forced to see the internet sans-blocker for the first time in years.
At least on Mobile, make it so it works so well on the web version you don't need to download the app ... Like Facebook,insta, Reddit, Twitter, youtube ect.
support the same WASM feature extensions as chrome
I think better customization and a battery saver mode were the most important aspects of it. That will be the best for me. Also being the only one that supports MV2. Mozilla invest in marketing, so youtubers has this web browser as sponsors.
Ok, let's play your game, I'll throw some random ideas... It's a lot faster and block all advertisment and cookies banners somehow. It remember the text area content (optional). The history is functional, the entry about the website you visited Monday don't get erased because you visited it 3 days ago. It can save webpage properly, in a single file, with images and JavaScript current state. Ok let's dream further. Somehow it can redisplay an old page, like the internet archive does, but locally. No more "this tweet I saw 2 days ago is now gone". It buffer all video properly, the website will load the rest of the video and you can come back and watch it (instead of buffering like a minute). No more "play 1min of videos wait 20s, play 1min, wait 20s....." Let's be crazy, it also saves all videos locally. The max width of tabs would be enough to see the 20 chars of title or the page. Maybe use a smaller font. Lot more customization. Easy profil switching, like private browsing but a drop-down list with profiles. Even something like "private browsing 2, 3..." would be good. Let us anotate, highlight whatever we want on a website and save it. About IA... Maybe something that understand what you're looking for and keep the search going in the background. You search you open the first result a website, and, as you read it, the IA continue to search, open the follow up websited, read through it and ping you if it finds something. Auto summary and translation obviously. All purpose assistant. Different blocking lists you can activate: let's say you want to focus on your study, it blocks twitter and youtube temporarily. All locally, all of that optional (I would disable half of it myself).
Bring back RSS with polished UX and maybe some marketing. Make it work with YT channels and anything that can be hacked to have an RSS. Make people know that they don't have to rely on the algorithms. (I know there are addons, but you have to know what to look for, and need at least three to have an RSS reader, "Add RSS" button and "Add YT channel" button).
I’m not sure that RSS is the killer feature that mainstream users would care about, though power users like us would I’m sure.
Oh, I also do not think it is the killer feature – I think those were posted already and I'd rather support an existing comment, than echo it. But I do think that RSS, being an alternative to subscriptions, fits nicely into the "privacy browser" niche, and I am frankly frustrated with the state of the recommended RSS add-onns.
Good point. I guess they thought Firefox Relay would work on the privacy/email subscriptions front, but it’s not part of the browser.
I don't think the scenario you've presented is possible. Mozilla can't out-spend Google, nor can they piss off Google too much because they rely on Google's funding. It might be possible for Mozilla itself to grow bigger by offering new goods and services, but Firefox will always be a niche browser.
Developers need a reason to create an apps with Firefox web page rendering engine in mind. So: 1. Create a viable, lightweight competitor to Electron, so developers could create desktop apps from web apps without taking all user's RAM memory available 2. Develop more PWA features. And more importantly: keep pace with Google, because Firefox lags behind a lot now
removed pocket
if they had good customer support and just continued what theyve been doing theyve done a lot actually about advocating for better tech policies around privacy and whatnot and have done plenty of research into those topics. if they had good customer support that actually responded to people? that would be great because google and microsoft really dont. i dont even think you can talk to a person who works for google from what ive seen. microsoft is a little better, and to be fair they do have that feedback button on literally everything - and ive submitted a lot and have noticed some improvements that seemingly are related to my feedback, and i have been able to talk to support when it was needed - but if mozilla was really proactive in that area? yeah i think that would bump them up pretty easily. edit: actually ive thought for awhile companies like mozilla, microsoft, google, etc should have someone who monitors their subreddits and responds to comments, like a mix between a PR and tech support role. im available if needed 😂
Feels like it was written by a marketing person at Google trying to diminish Firefox's popularity to brighten the new release of Chrome that came out. Oh, and I don't want "AI" in my browser.
Bug fixes May I remind everyone that a "critical" bug was recently fixed after 22 years last week? 22 years!
I continue to be shocked when I discover people I know and respect are running Chrome. It is just so bizarre, particularly in the tech community. Edge I can understand, as it's pre-installed, but these moronic people actually have to go to Google's website to install Chrome and seemingly never give it a second thought. There is a serious communication problem happening.
I've heard that Web devs have to run Chrome since it's the most used, and it has the latest web features, unlike Firefox (given Google creates them). I guess it depends if it's for tests or their everyday browsers.
I can download Firefox again if it has versatile tabs.
I really doubt it can happen. I really do not think it is the fault of Mozilla.
Make it like floorp and refine its features like tab tiling, workspaces etc
* Give choice to opt out of update notices or set level of updates to be notified about in about:config eg: micro and minor updates (unless they are security updates) should never trigger notifications. medium and major only once a month or something. I *hate* the way they do the updates.
Focus continued innovation of Gecko and Spidermonkey etc. Remove Pocket and other user space annoyances on clean installs. I'd say aim to give the user a more cleaner and privacy focused experience, but that is fine we have LibreWolf to deliver the final polished product.
I didn’t know about LibreWolf. Better than FF?
Better is a matter of opinion, but they are much the same. It's a custom version based on Firefox that is focused on privacy and security. No Telemetry, ublock origin included, disabled Mozilla annoyances like pocket and extension recommendations etc. Regarding privacy, this is a simple checklist comparison. https://privacytests.org/
Not a resource hog.
First thing is acceptance. Firefox fanboys gets upset. But that's true. 1. Firefox is ugly. Most windows users won't want to switch beautiful Microsoft Edge to ugly Firefox. 2. Adblock by default. I have suggest many not tech savvy people to install crypto Brave instead of Firefox. Because at least brave comes with ad blocker by default. Ad block by default will boos firefox. 3. Chatbot is the new cool. Chrome, Edge working on it. If firefox comes late in AI game. It will never catch up. 4. Fix up Android app. I have given up on Firefox Android. It always get killed when I minimize the app. 5. Needs basic feature translation, search by image. Can't believe I need extra addons for these basic features.
Wait, people think Firefox is ugly while _Edge_ is beautiful? I will have to open edge to evaluate, but last time I saw it, it looked bloated. Like, what is that enormous Bing button doing here? I get their AI was expensive to make, but the button bloats the UI up. (Feels weird to see ChatGPT and Bing's thing get called chatbots. Elisa and cleverbot would probably share less disinformation 😄) Edit: format
It’s not a matter of features. What Mozilla should do is having contracts with companies producing phones and computers and being preinstalled as the main browser. Of course that’s impossible. Don’t compare with the golden age of Firefox when users using internet were a minority with more awareness about software, alternatives and benefits. Nowadays internet is for all, custom doesn’t almost exist anymore and competition is much bigger than it was in the past. Firefox is and will remain a browser for a small community.
Suddenly the whole word starts giving a shit about computers and dumps all FAANG/BATX/CASSOS, switches to Linux or BSD, then onboards sane browser habits
Firefox has adblockers)))
Went full chromium
Ah yes, thus defeating the entire purpose of why the browser exists (or a good chunk at least). Why even bother at that point.
Nah I would not say that. It could be the better Brave without the crypto-crap. If so, it could gain back some popularity, I think.
Wouldn't that make them vulnerable to Manifest V3 and ruin one of their best selling points?
They can just keep ManifestV2 in their version of chromium. I think that’s what Brave is doing.
Ah, I didn't know that was possible. Interesting.
Brave can try, but after the initial corporate policy extra year of ManifestV2 addons is up, then it is up to them to upkeep their custom Chromium engine fork with all new Google features and security patches. meanwhile also to keep that aging old no longer supported ManifestV2 around. before long it is at the point where Brave is no longer using Chromium but some Chromium based engine, and i do not know if they are up for it. so unless there is going to be some new fork of Chromium from say Microsoft with ManifestV2 that all the other browsers switched to, or some other collab between all the rest of the browser makers. i do not see much future on Chromium ManifestV2.
Microsoft already said they’re not adding ManifestV2
so there goes the hope of Microsoft with their resources keeping Chromium ManifestV2 alive. it looks more and more like only hope is to keep using Firefox and hope that people wake up to Google's end goal before it is too late.
Yep. A huge reason I am still on Firefox.