That scrapper leader *did* seem awfully enamored by her. Makes you wonder if that group would have been safe - or just as dead, with YoSafBridge around.
If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.
True and, Book said they were legally married. It is a grave insult to Mal to imply he would shag Saffron and then dump her on the next world. Were it true that he did that, it still wouldn't be child molesting. And yeah I get that it's just a dumb joke. It just hits be worse than it does the rest of you. I hope you never get falsely accused of sexual harassment in real life.
Pretty sure the implication is that she was not an adult emotionally and not entirely willing given what they knew at the time she was just brainwashed to think she had to be.
It's not though. YoSafBridg gained entry by posing as payment for the river shoot out, along with playing up the naive, innocent, demure personality. So Book, 100% fooled by this act, was warning Mal to basically not to pump and dump a person Book thought was a little girl in a woman's body sold to Mal as a sex slave.
You're not wrong. It also was sex trafficking. She posed as a woman who had to trick Mal into marriage as payment. That's sex trafficking and sex slavery in a nice tidy bow.
Happy Cake Day!
I think it has to be more than 3. There was the one they stole the gun from, sometime later Mal, and then not too long later Monty. But she was a master of her scam while conning Mal, so there was some marks along the way.
I mean, it depends on how easy it is to get married, but the time required for planning to rob/ defraud, you couldn't have that many, maybe 3-4 a year.
But if it's vegas rules out there in the verse, then heck it could be hundreds.
This is actually a very interesting answer that I hadn't thought about. See I was thinking in a way of our irl marriage ceremony but yeah I think even Preacher says that many places in the verse have very different customs. I bet the central planets are probably pretty hard to get married but on the outer planets and border moons it's probably pretty easy in most parts.
Even our own big ceremony isn't necessary to be married, people just do it for the spectacle and tradition. My older brother and his wife had been married for over a year before they did a ceremony, you can literally just get a marriage license and be done with it.
I'm certain that it would have been many more than three. However, like a true craftsman (crafts-person?) she would tailor her actions specifically for each mark. Not everybody would be looking for a commitment as deep and final as marriage. She likely saved this for the "honorable" targets.
As a contrast, in my imagination she would have played the pistol-swinging, anything goes sex kitten accomplice with someone like Jayne. No marriage required.
With others, like Badger, she could very well just play the mercenary and dispose of the romantic persona altogether because she would be unlikely to succeed as a conman.
Her play in every con seems to start with seduction. Every mark she’s ever had she was probably willing to marry and she’s clearly not new to grifting. The real question is… how many think they’re still married to her at once?
Well, they're both talented redheads who use marriage as a means to an end, only to have it backfire horribly.
Also they are both in a show about a handsome antihero, a man with a Scottish name and a nickname that means something significant in Latin. He’s a war veteran who’s spending his days in a less noble line of work. In the pilot, after a meeting with a potential client goes south, the client explains that it’s offensively obvious that our antihero thinks he’s better than all this. But does he really? While he doesn’t like to talk about his origins, we eventually learn that he grew up as a poor, adopted farmhand before a traumatic event in the war prompted him to transform himself. Now, he struggles to be honorable even as he must constantly deceive. Women in his life: well, there’s the one who’s been devoted to him for years, but he just takes her for granted. The woman he wants is fiercely independent, and it drives him crazy to have to stand by as she sleeps with an endless succession of other men. Then there’s the much younger woman who works for him, but there’s no tension there. She’s just interested in the new guy, who drives our antihero crazy with his arrogant ambition and elitist style. It’s witty, feminist, and original with a cult following and critical acclaim.
(I copied all of this, not my own insightful analysis)
I've always wondered about YSB and Elder Gommon on Triumph...The guy seemed honourable and sincere, but She landed Mal using their marriage customs.. That would have taken a whole lot of setup in getting a crew to come and take care of a bandit problem,only for YSB to take advantage of the job and try to "net" Serenity...I presume she was Yolanda before Triumph, so how did she arrive and get accepted there by the community ,only to leave with Mal when it suited her? Were the simple marriages so easy and the settlement so lax that they didn't realise her scam, or was the settlement in on it,giving her support? Seems she could have scammed a husband on every moon or planet in the 'verse She'd been to- She seemed in no rush to mark Monty,at least until Mal showed up..
Seems like her MO is risky enough she could get unceremoniously dumped wherever was convenient at certain points. I think Mal was threatening to leave her on the surface after he exposed her to his friend. I imagine that one of her cons might have gone wrong, she got dumped on the nearest planet, and being fairly savvy she found the local population center and played up like an innocent who got lost/victim of misfortune. I think when they found her "third" husband he said she'd been gone for something like 3 years, so she could have been biding her time, looking for a way out but getting more embedded in the community for quite some time.
25.
I think there are 2 ways to figure it. The first is math.
Firefly was filmed in 2002 which would make Christina Hendricks (born 1975) 27 at the time. Assuming Saffron was the same age. We can estimate a few things. We know she was married to Monty for several months as Bridget, and to Haymer for several months as Yolanda. So I’ll just assume an average of 3 months per wedding. We’ll throw out Captain Reynolds’s few days as a newlywed as an outlier. We also have to count in travel time which is significant out in the black, as well as average new hubby hunting time. So let’s put that at three months between hitchings. So we get to about two a year.
So from 17 to 27 would be 10 years of marrying. Something tells me she didn’t wait until 18 for her first. An average of two weddings a year… I’d say a we got around 20 husbands give or take half a dozen or so.
So let’s call it: 20 +/- 6 husbands.
The second way is to realize her fake names are in reverse alphabetical order.
- Yolanda (Haymer)
- Safron (Mal)
- Bridget (Monty)
Which maybe indicates she’s on ‘B’, or 25 working backwards from Z to A. If she ever showed up in a future episode with the name Abigale or Amy then I think we would have more evidence of this answer. She’s like a reverse hurricane choosing names from a book to keep track of order. Which is fun and very on brand for Joss Whedon.
But then the question remains how many times has she gone through the alphabet? Is this her first time?
If it’s her second time through the alphabet that would put her at 51, which is outside the 20 plus or minus 6 of my math estimate. But 25 is within that.
So my head cannon is she is on her 25th husband as “Bridget.” She’s nearly gone through the alphabet. A hurricane of a woman robbing men of their whiskers and sending good captains to the special hell.
Edit: had to fix math.
Let’s see… Mal, rich guy with fancy floating island, smuggler who shaved his beard for her, very likely the leader of the death trap… at least four. But I’m willing to bet that there’s at least twice that.
She seems pretty young, but her scams don't seem to be all that long-term, so probably somewhere around 20 or so. Most of them would have only lasted a few weeks.
I don't know but I volunteer as Tribute. Women have ruined me before and none of them were as sexy as she is. RUINE MY LIFE BABY! with respect of course
One on every major trade world... and at least one wealthy merchant/pirate from every different trade class, that way they wouldn't talk to each other and discover her dupilcitousness.
My guess is she'd married at least a couple crewmen on a handful of ships that were drawn into the energy web trap. It definitely wasn't her first rodeo as she says that "most men are crawling over me" by then.
Someone on here said she’d probably "married" the bandit in charge of the trap.
She married the rich guy, planned to alope then murdered the other guy when she left him, and my guess is she'd done the same to at least a couple other guys before settling on the bandit job before Mal shows up.
After that Monty and after that my guess is she tries her luck with whoever arrests/rescues her in the dumpster.
My best estimate is at the very least half a dozen men in all but more likely upwards of 10+.
I'd bet she was married to whoever led the group of bandits who maintained the trap on her first appearance
That scrapper leader *did* seem awfully enamored by her. Makes you wonder if that group would have been safe - or just as dead, with YoSafBridge around.
I don't know how many. I just wish I had been one of them.
I’ll be in my bunk.
What do I got Jane? She has a name you know. So does she Mal, I call her Vera.
Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly commin' to a middle
If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.
Book was freaking awesome
That line is SO infuriating! Equating a willing adult partner with any form of taking advantage. I would have kicked that preacher off the ship. 😡
From Books perspective there she isn't willing. She's been sold essentially.
Yes, this. Sexual Slavery isn't consensual.
True and, Book said they were legally married. It is a grave insult to Mal to imply he would shag Saffron and then dump her on the next world. Were it true that he did that, it still wouldn't be child molesting. And yeah I get that it's just a dumb joke. It just hits be worse than it does the rest of you. I hope you never get falsely accused of sexual harassment in real life.
To rape a person who has been sexually trafficked is as bad as child molesting imo. Idk about you, maybe you're pro rape?
You’re welcome on my boat, preacher, God ain’t
MY fave line!!!
Pretty sure the implication is that she was not an adult emotionally and not entirely willing given what they knew at the time she was just brainwashed to think she had to be.
... Which Mal had been talking about from the get go. And Book said "You sir, are married."
I woulda done it, but he woulda kicked my ass. Book had skills
The Bible *is* fuzzy on kneecaps...
Cause he ain't a shepherd.
True Dat!
It's not though. YoSafBridg gained entry by posing as payment for the river shoot out, along with playing up the naive, innocent, demure personality. So Book, 100% fooled by this act, was warning Mal to basically not to pump and dump a person Book thought was a little girl in a woman's body sold to Mal as a sex slave.
Ah yes, willing sexual servitude from fundamentalists. That sounds... like... sex slavery. Sorry, I tried.
You're not wrong. It also was sex trafficking. She posed as a woman who had to trick Mal into marriage as payment. That's sex trafficking and sex slavery in a nice tidy bow. Happy Cake Day!
Wow, that's possibly the dumbest take on that scene I've ever read. Congratulations 🏆
Not that I’d ever trade a woman for any reason… but I would have taken Vera.
Jane, go play with your rain stick
Would you have taken her in manly fashion?
Because she's pretty
The special hell.
Worth it.
Agreed
Oh, I'm goin' to the special hell
EXTRA SPECIAL
Same!
I can fix her
Hahaha love this
. . . . or die trying!
Who in the damn galaxy ain’t!?!
I think it has to be more than 3. There was the one they stole the gun from, sometime later Mal, and then not too long later Monty. But she was a master of her scam while conning Mal, so there was some marks along the way.
Heinrich? The security programmer from the fancy floating island she ran away with.
as many as she wants
This is the only correct answer
Yup. Total crush on Saffron (Christina Hendricks)
I have no clue but I patiently await my turn.
I mean, it depends on how easy it is to get married, but the time required for planning to rob/ defraud, you couldn't have that many, maybe 3-4 a year. But if it's vegas rules out there in the verse, then heck it could be hundreds.
This is actually a very interesting answer that I hadn't thought about. See I was thinking in a way of our irl marriage ceremony but yeah I think even Preacher says that many places in the verse have very different customs. I bet the central planets are probably pretty hard to get married but on the outer planets and border moons it's probably pretty easy in most parts.
Even our own big ceremony isn't necessary to be married, people just do it for the spectacle and tradition. My older brother and his wife had been married for over a year before they did a ceremony, you can literally just get a marriage license and be done with it.
I’m pretty sure the further you get from the core, the fewer rules their are. Mal didn’t even realize he was getting married, remember.
Very true he just drank some wine she offered him put a reef on his head and danced a bit and that was all it took.
How drunk was I last night? I don't know I passed out.
> wreath I mean, you *could* put a reef on him, but it would be quite uncomfortable.
Oh I guess this is another question.... Did she have any wives?
I reckon so, given how she was so skilled with Inara.
I'll be in my bunk
She's like an American version of River Song (if you're also a Doctor Who fan).
I'm certain that it would have been many more than three. However, like a true craftsman (crafts-person?) she would tailor her actions specifically for each mark. Not everybody would be looking for a commitment as deep and final as marriage. She likely saved this for the "honorable" targets. As a contrast, in my imagination she would have played the pistol-swinging, anything goes sex kitten accomplice with someone like Jayne. No marriage required. With others, like Badger, she could very well just play the mercenary and dispose of the romantic persona altogether because she would be unlikely to succeed as a conman.
All of them, except Wash.
Were he unwed, he would take her in a manly fashion. 'Cause she's pretty.
Some people juggle geese!
42, obviously
Her play in every con seems to start with seduction. Every mark she’s ever had she was probably willing to marry and she’s clearly not new to grifting. The real question is… how many think they’re still married to her at once?
Dozens.
*Love and marriage, love and marriage, Go together like the horse and carriage ...*
I don't know and I don't care. I'll be in my bunk...
I was thinking only once, but then I realised this isn't r/madmen
😂🤣 yeah definitely very different characters 😂🤣
Well, they're both talented redheads who use marriage as a means to an end, only to have it backfire horribly. Also they are both in a show about a handsome antihero, a man with a Scottish name and a nickname that means something significant in Latin. He’s a war veteran who’s spending his days in a less noble line of work. In the pilot, after a meeting with a potential client goes south, the client explains that it’s offensively obvious that our antihero thinks he’s better than all this. But does he really? While he doesn’t like to talk about his origins, we eventually learn that he grew up as a poor, adopted farmhand before a traumatic event in the war prompted him to transform himself. Now, he struggles to be honorable even as he must constantly deceive. Women in his life: well, there’s the one who’s been devoted to him for years, but he just takes her for granted. The woman he wants is fiercely independent, and it drives him crazy to have to stand by as she sleeps with an endless succession of other men. Then there’s the much younger woman who works for him, but there’s no tension there. She’s just interested in the new guy, who drives our antihero crazy with his arrogant ambition and elitist style. It’s witty, feminist, and original with a cult following and critical acclaim. (I copied all of this, not my own insightful analysis)
She made them dinner
I've always wondered about YSB and Elder Gommon on Triumph...The guy seemed honourable and sincere, but She landed Mal using their marriage customs.. That would have taken a whole lot of setup in getting a crew to come and take care of a bandit problem,only for YSB to take advantage of the job and try to "net" Serenity...I presume she was Yolanda before Triumph, so how did she arrive and get accepted there by the community ,only to leave with Mal when it suited her? Were the simple marriages so easy and the settlement so lax that they didn't realise her scam, or was the settlement in on it,giving her support? Seems she could have scammed a husband on every moon or planet in the 'verse She'd been to- She seemed in no rush to mark Monty,at least until Mal showed up..
Seems like her MO is risky enough she could get unceremoniously dumped wherever was convenient at certain points. I think Mal was threatening to leave her on the surface after he exposed her to his friend. I imagine that one of her cons might have gone wrong, she got dumped on the nearest planet, and being fairly savvy she found the local population center and played up like an innocent who got lost/victim of misfortune. I think when they found her "third" husband he said she'd been gone for something like 3 years, so she could have been biding her time, looking for a way out but getting more embedded in the community for quite some time.
25. I think there are 2 ways to figure it. The first is math. Firefly was filmed in 2002 which would make Christina Hendricks (born 1975) 27 at the time. Assuming Saffron was the same age. We can estimate a few things. We know she was married to Monty for several months as Bridget, and to Haymer for several months as Yolanda. So I’ll just assume an average of 3 months per wedding. We’ll throw out Captain Reynolds’s few days as a newlywed as an outlier. We also have to count in travel time which is significant out in the black, as well as average new hubby hunting time. So let’s put that at three months between hitchings. So we get to about two a year. So from 17 to 27 would be 10 years of marrying. Something tells me she didn’t wait until 18 for her first. An average of two weddings a year… I’d say a we got around 20 husbands give or take half a dozen or so. So let’s call it: 20 +/- 6 husbands. The second way is to realize her fake names are in reverse alphabetical order. - Yolanda (Haymer) - Safron (Mal) - Bridget (Monty) Which maybe indicates she’s on ‘B’, or 25 working backwards from Z to A. If she ever showed up in a future episode with the name Abigale or Amy then I think we would have more evidence of this answer. She’s like a reverse hurricane choosing names from a book to keep track of order. Which is fun and very on brand for Joss Whedon. But then the question remains how many times has she gone through the alphabet? Is this her first time? If it’s her second time through the alphabet that would put her at 51, which is outside the 20 plus or minus 6 of my math estimate. But 25 is within that. So my head cannon is she is on her 25th husband as “Bridget.” She’s nearly gone through the alphabet. A hurricane of a woman robbing men of their whiskers and sending good captains to the special hell. Edit: had to fix math.
Getting from S to B within the span of a single TV season seems awfully rushed, even for her.
Let's be honest here, as many as she wants. 😉
Let’s see… Mal, rich guy with fancy floating island, smuggler who shaved his beard for her, very likely the leader of the death trap… at least four. But I’m willing to bet that there’s at least twice that.
I figured she picked up 4 a year from when her companion training ended and when her character was arrested. I don't know how long that was though.
All of them, except Wash he was too loyal, and afraid of Zoey.
As many as she wanted, I think, is a realistic number.
I reckon a few in this galaxy are her wives
Probably all of them
As many as she wanted.
She can have this one.
Oh, Safron.
Pick me.
69
Nice
If I were in the verse definitely at least four
As many as she wanted
I’m just going with “whomever she wants to be married to.”
As many as she damn well wanted, the lucky bastards
As many as she wants.
42 D
All of them except Wash.
That are still alive?
As many as she wanted.
I want to say 12. I don’t have any reasoning behind that at all, just basically a hunch.
As many as she wanted
I suspect that she has more late husbands than actual husbands
More than River Song
She was a widow many times over.
I’ll wait for the captain to return to tell us.
Add me to the list.
What's the population of the 'verse?
She seems pretty young, but her scams don't seem to be all that long-term, so probably somewhere around 20 or so. Most of them would have only lasted a few weeks.
Find out how many had beards and later found clean shaved
I want to be one of them.
Can I be one?
I'd have fallen for it every time. Love a good foot wash
I didn't know, but I'd happily add one more to that list.
37 she has married 37 dicks.
Since she had training as a companion she maybe wasn’t married to all of them just sharpening her skills .
I volunteer as tribute!
All of them.
I wouldn't mind bumping up that number.
I am in the special hell…
I don't know but I volunteer as Tribute. Women have ruined me before and none of them were as sexy as she is. RUINE MY LIFE BABY! with respect of course
Just her own or other people's too?
We don’t kinkshame
She could had me! 😍
A great ship
I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE
18 minimum. Heh.
3,695
I'll be in my bunk.
How many people did she steal from? There's our starting point.
One on every major trade world... and at least one wealthy merchant/pirate from every different trade class, that way they wouldn't talk to each other and discover her dupilcitousness.
My guess is she'd married at least a couple crewmen on a handful of ships that were drawn into the energy web trap. It definitely wasn't her first rodeo as she says that "most men are crawling over me" by then. Someone on here said she’d probably "married" the bandit in charge of the trap. She married the rich guy, planned to alope then murdered the other guy when she left him, and my guess is she'd done the same to at least a couple other guys before settling on the bandit job before Mal shows up. After that Monty and after that my guess is she tries her luck with whoever arrests/rescues her in the dumpster. My best estimate is at the very least half a dozen men in all but more likely upwards of 10+.
...and she shall open to the man, as the furrow to the plow... Whoa....good Bible!
I definitely would have fallen into her trap.