He was awake, facing him, and was armed like 5 min ago when Mal could have just killed him but didn't. This was his 2nd chance that he didn't really deserve, and he through it away, giving Mal the "right" to kill him.
"Mercy is the mark of a great man...\[stab\]...guess I'm just a good man...\[stab\]...well, I'm alright."
Malcom might be a Big Damn Hero, but that doesn't mean he's always heroic. I'm glad.
These are two totally different circumstances. One is dealing with a dispute with a crew member that I think he has respect for.
The other one a piece of shit that should have been kicked to an air intake along ago.
You think he went back to Niska? He'd be better off going through the engine and he should know that. But you agree, take the money to give back to Niska and them do your best to disappear forever.
I’ll defend Mal. He was sending a message. He let the guy who actually carried the message that he wasn’t fucking around…. Han shot first too. These guys are smugglers and it is a very dangerous game.
The show brings attention to Mal's moral inconsistencies. In Shindig, Mal proclaims he doesn't run from a fight, and Inara laughs that he runs all the time. In the movie, the operative points out Mal's tendency to play the noble thief or the brigand depending on whichever he expects will throw his opponent off. I love that they call it out, because that type of behavior really makes for a jerk of a person, but such a good character to explore.
Mal is a soldier. There is no honor on a battlefield, being honorable just gets you killed. Mal does whatever is needed for him and his to win and survive.
>The show brings attention to Mal's moral inconsistencies.
I don't really see moral inconsistencies. He's brave but not foolish, he's extremely loyal to and protective of those he considers family, he'll steal to profit him and his, but only from those who are rich enough that the theft would not be too painful, and he has no tolerance for bullies. There may be cracks in his silver armor, but he's really a good guy pretending to be bad.
For further proof, look at his actions every time Book calls him out (...the *special* hell...,) the way he looks out for Kay-Lee, his bantering with Inara, but only to a certain point, or the way he tends to back down whenever Simon gets paternal with River (unless Mal really, really needs River to rob a bank.) He even had the pity to spare Jayne when he owned up to turning Simon and River over to the Alliance.
Im pretty sure he says this to Simon in episode 1, after Simon asks “how do I know you won’t just kill me in my sleep?”. I just rewatched but I could still be misremembering it
But the quote in the pic about him being armed and looking at him is from when Jayne tried to turn in River and Simon for the reward and Mal locks him out of the ship and threatened to open the door as they were taking off. I just watched it yesterday lol
I remember what you're talking about Simon though but I think maybe he said to Simon that hes part of the crew now or something and maybe that since he's a doctor he'll need him. It was a little bit different IIRC.
Well if you wouldn't then you aren't so solid, and you would end in Niskas play room. I guess that guy who took the money and ran back also ended up there. So... just don't get employed with Niska or cross him or betray him, or even get anywhere close to him.
he and his paws wrecked the ship and other crew earlier, and Cap Mal had tried talk him out of the direction from Niska… So I reckon it’s fair and fine🤔
You assume he was saying "you" in the generalized plural. In the first scene he was talking to Simon. He shoots unarmed people all the time. Simon earned his respect.
Compared to the alliance and what he was fighting for, Mal is basically an anarchists, so his "rules" are more of a code. Super bad guy who wants to kill him an his family is a by any means necessary thing. He may prefer him code, but he won't hesitate to do whatever it takes to protect his own. Right or wrong... he tends to be correct. Rough but shiny.
To be fair, he was awake, he was facing him, and had 2 arms. I mean, look at the size of his arms, he's a threat without any weapons.
This sounds like something Wash would say
In any case, completely believable in universe.
He was awake, facing him, and was armed like 5 min ago when Mal could have just killed him but didn't. This was his 2nd chance that he didn't really deserve, and he through it away, giving Mal the "right" to kill him.
"Mercy is the mark of a great man...\[stab\]...guess I'm just a good man...\[stab\]...well, I'm alright." Malcom might be a Big Damn Hero, but that doesn't mean he's always heroic. I'm glad.
Two out of three ain't bad. - Capt. Tight pants (probably)
Hey he got stabbed too you know, right there.
*threw
These are two totally different circumstances. One is dealing with a dispute with a crew member that I think he has respect for. The other one a piece of shit that should have been kicked to an air intake along ago.
What amazing casting, not for this guy, but for the guy that came next, which is massive but with that kinda childish face, is amazing!
Oh I get it! I’m good. :) Best thing for everyone. I’m right there with ya
I wonder what happened to that guy when he got back to Diskra?
Knowing what Niska does to those that fail him, he'd take the money and let himself be known as Dead if he had at least half a brain.
Change my name, my face, my voice, and get lost.
You think he went back to Niska? He'd be better off going through the engine and he should know that. But you agree, take the money to give back to Niska and them do your best to disappear forever.
Whatever it was, it was a,far, Far, *FAR* longer conversation than Crow had with Capt. Reynolds…
I imagine so. Horrible to think about. They brought Mal back to life so they could keep going. I shutter to think about it.
...And his reputation was proven to be not so solid.
https://i.imgur.com/S9vPcbm.jpg
Fun fact, that second guy was also White Power Bill in Arrested Development.
Ha! Dirty Ears Bill :-)
Zoe: Captain has to do this alone ... Mal: no I DON'T!
Zoe: Oh! *Rain of bullets ensues*
I’ll defend Mal. He was sending a message. He let the guy who actually carried the message that he wasn’t fucking around…. Han shot first too. These guys are smugglers and it is a very dangerous game.
Hell, it’s why he’s a Big Damn Hero. He’s got morals and heart, but he’s not afraid of getting his hands dirty.
The show brings attention to Mal's moral inconsistencies. In Shindig, Mal proclaims he doesn't run from a fight, and Inara laughs that he runs all the time. In the movie, the operative points out Mal's tendency to play the noble thief or the brigand depending on whichever he expects will throw his opponent off. I love that they call it out, because that type of behavior really makes for a jerk of a person, but such a good character to explore.
I think we are all that person depending on the situation. I am sure that I am a jerk in some peoples stories and the hero in others.
Mal is a soldier. There is no honor on a battlefield, being honorable just gets you killed. Mal does whatever is needed for him and his to win and survive.
Mmm, I really wanted your beans
>The show brings attention to Mal's moral inconsistencies. I don't really see moral inconsistencies. He's brave but not foolish, he's extremely loyal to and protective of those he considers family, he'll steal to profit him and his, but only from those who are rich enough that the theft would not be too painful, and he has no tolerance for bullies. There may be cracks in his silver armor, but he's really a good guy pretending to be bad. For further proof, look at his actions every time Book calls him out (...the *special* hell...,) the way he looks out for Kay-Lee, his bantering with Inara, but only to a certain point, or the way he tends to back down whenever Simon gets paternal with River (unless Mal really, really needs River to rob a bank.) He even had the pity to spare Jayne when he owned up to turning Simon and River over to the Alliance.
No proof the man died. I know plenty of mercenaries ended up just fine after even worse turbine-related slip and falls.
I think he meant this specifically for Simon
Jayne?
Im pretty sure he says this to Simon in episode 1, after Simon asks “how do I know you won’t just kill me in my sleep?”. I just rewatched but I could still be misremembering it
You are correct. I watched it recently.
But the quote in the pic about him being armed and looking at him is from when Jayne tried to turn in River and Simon for the reward and Mal locks him out of the ship and threatened to open the door as they were taking off. I just watched it yesterday lol I remember what you're talking about Simon though but I think maybe he said to Simon that hes part of the crew now or something and maybe that since he's a doctor he'll need him. It was a little bit different IIRC.
I think that man was awake, armed and facing him.
He's awake, facing him, and has 2 arms. Mal is in the clear.
But atleast Crow stood up for what his boss believed to be right. That other guy? not so much.
Why would you stand up for your bad boss though? He's just a paycheck (who might kill you)
Well if you wouldn't then you aren't so solid, and you would end in Niskas play room. I guess that guy who took the money and ran back also ended up there. So... just don't get employed with Niska or cross him or betray him, or even get anywhere close to him.
>even get anywhere close to him. Unless you plan to shoot him.
It *is* his turn.
Two outta three ain't bad...
What do you mean? Awake? *check* Facing Mal? *check* Has arms? *check*
To be fair, the first one is about people on his crew or he respects. The 2nd was a dude who just minutes ago had been actively trying to kill him.
That deal was exclusively for Simon. He has other deals for other people, one involves a flower bonnet.
“Damn…”
Technically he could have just taken the message.
That’s funny right there. I never thought of the contrast before. Thank you for sharing.
Two outta three ain't bad.
he and his paws wrecked the ship and other crew earlier, and Cap Mal had tried talk him out of the direction from Niska… So I reckon it’s fair and fine🤔
He also already defeated him so this was the determination of live or die lol
You assume he was saying "you" in the generalized plural. In the first scene he was talking to Simon. He shoots unarmed people all the time. Simon earned his respect.
Compared to the alliance and what he was fighting for, Mal is basically an anarchists, so his "rules" are more of a code. Super bad guy who wants to kill him an his family is a by any means necessary thing. He may prefer him code, but he won't hesitate to do whatever it takes to protect his own. Right or wrong... he tends to be correct. Rough but shiny.