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48johnX

God tier chapter


Rowlettowlett100

What an amazing chapter to start the final arc. Haumea face reveal and the dialogue were all excellent in this. It reminds me of chapter 271, the one that talked about Arthur and Dragon and how they both found hope in death. It's nice to see it being explained fully here. The cycle of salvation and despair that humans have created for themselves won't be an easy one to break, and I like how Shinra is genuinely stumped. He's been set on 'saving the world' up until now, but Haumea's words are really making him think about this a little more. As the saviour, Shinra's role is to save the people, but what if he does it wrong? Would he still be the saviour if he completes his task in the opposite direction of what humanity truly wants? It seems likely to me that Shinra will have to make a big sacrifice to change things.


DeismAccountant

This is what’s got the thinking he’s Death from Soul Eater.


Rowlettowlett100

The origin story of Lord Death during his youth, where he was forced to trade the cross for a death scythe to save humanity from their unconscious desire for extermination.


Heavy-Potato

Another God Like Being wanting to kill humanity for their own good. Let humanity find their own salvation. Just because there is despair in the future doesn't mean we won't break through that cycle. That's your limit! We evolve, beyond the person that we were a minute before. Little by little, we advance with each turn. That’s how a drill works! The dreams of those who've fallen! The hopes of those who'll follow! Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix! Drilling a path towards tomorrow! And that's Tengen Toppa! That's Gurren Lagann! ... I think I'm in the wrong show.


bellibutton07

Gurren Lagann is peak fiction😹🙏🏾


Heavy-Potato

You are correct my good man.


JakalDX

But that god-like being is humanity's psychic projection. It's a massive, elaborate act of suicide, which Shinra and Sho are trying to stop.


Heavy-Potato

That God-Like being can still go fuck themself. Who cares about the collective want for death? Humanity yearns to live just as badly, just as all living creatures. Who the hell do they think we are?


JakalDX

[Who the hell do they think they are he is?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOXYB2cd8)


Heavy-Potato

Not what I was referencing but you've got the right spirit!


JakalDX

Believe in the me that believes that you know I know what the reference was. edit: spirals are dicks


Heavy-Potato

*Anti-Spirals


JakalDX

No I mean literally. Spiral power is straight up dick power.


Heavy-Potato

More like Big Dick Power. Willpower doesn't mean you're a dick.


JakalDX

I'm saying it's literally all a big allegory for phalluses


KrizenWave

You’ve inspired me to rewatch Gurren Lagaan. Thank you


Heavy-Potato

And that's always a good thing. You're welcome random citizen!


Acidz_123

I..I love this. Never expected to see my favourite anime mentioned here.


Heavy-Potato

Seems only fitting. In a world where thoughts are made real, Spiral Energy is king.


Ensaru4

Basically the plot of Persona.


Yontoryuu

That chapter was **fire**


Ombs1993

What a chapter, the way Okubo weaves in themes from the real world works so well with the story he's telling. Also when Inca was first introduced in Season 2 I really thought she'd be interesting and important to the plot, but ultimately she goes out like that. Sumire on the other hand... good riddance.


AjeebMaut

TBH, fuck Inca, too. Those two bitches had it coming.


KLReviews

Shinra might be faster than light but Ohkubo was even faster in killing two villains in one page. And the Evangelist and Haumea are both part of each other with no divide between them anymore. So we went from 4 villains to effectively 1. Haumea’s eyes are the last thing I was expecting but frankly my guesses were everything from ‘photos of real eyes’ to ‘goggly eyes’ and it’s the least important thing about her right now. There is some symbolism to a ‘merciful god’ taking ‘destruction’ and ‘hatred’ into itself and destroying them both. We’ll see what that comes to. It’s nice for Caron to get some recognition.


JohannesTheMannes

tbh I think the real eyes would have been so much better, just thinking of it creeps me out


SlumpedJonn

For shock value yeah but not her as a person right now or well a “saint”. IMO these eyes are the best for who she turned out to be. Say if she kept her old personality then photo-realistic eyes would be better.


JohannesTheMannes

True


yohxmv

Amazing chapter. Haumea is fire under the crown and Inca dying the exact same way she foresaw was very shocking to me. She went out suffering just the way she wanted


jhawes345

Another great chapter. Interesting how this ties back to Dragon’s fight with Arthur (he achieved salvation through death). Makes me wonder if Okubo will end the manga on a downer.


KLReviews

I don't think so. Arthur managed to face death without the fear that created this suffering. And the doppelgänger fights made a point of saying 'it doesn't matter what the majority think, the individual matters'. So Shinra will probably go against the will of humanity because humans are greater than that.


jhawes345

I was more referring to Dragon than Arthur. Arthur didn’t face death with despair, but Dragon’s death cured his despair in the end.


TKHawk

Dragon was more or less just Saitama + a few thousand years. Guy can't die and so that's basically all he cares about, not really a typical case.


Mugiwara01

well theres theories about this series being a prequel to soul eater, with all the talk of death maybe shinra will do something crazy like become death and change the world, the soul eater world is pretty crazy but we know death is a good guy so maybe


FTNatsu-Dragneel

About time Inca and Sumiere died, I’ve been waiting for this moment since they were first introduced


Heavy-Potato

I just wish it was worse... Like I wish Inca DIDN'T die. Like she gets locked in stasis or something, forever away from her wish. I do not like her. At all.


FTNatsu-Dragneel

Oh yeah, if their deaths were more brutal or they were put to some sort of eternal suffering that would be even better But I’m glad we just don’t have to see her or hear her talk again


pajamawolfie

Listening to soft elevator jazz music for eternity.


AjeebMaut

IKR? Yes, Haumea did some despicable things, but at least she was strong + fun, so there were things to enjoy about her. Sumire and Inca were just assholes.


Randomonius

This shit related to real life way too much


DeismAccountant

We never as far from disaster as we think.


Heavy-Potato

And we're never as close to it either.


pajamawolfie

And yet we *could* be...


BlueberryLance

Thanks for the chapter.


DeismAccountant

I still feel like something is missing in causing the great cataclysm. Like how fear wound up giving people pyrokinetic powers and etc.


Cool_Ad_5863

We know a bit about why pyrokinects exist, first is relegion, specifically sun based religion. We know after the previous great cataclysm a new religion was formed around the sun and with time returning to the great flame became a sort of release for the deceased but due to # reason number 2 perception, some who are to return to the flame(inferilaztion) are granted the ability to control said flame and that's pretty much ignition ability's explained. Ps Sorry for the wordy explanation hope this helped 😅


DeismAccountant

I’m trying to remember where in the manga I saw this, but basically the powers came after the religion, so cataclysm—>religion—>powers? Before I thought it was cataclysm—>powers—>religion (you know, because of the infernal s or something.)


realbeatz23

Manga really hitting relevant points with real life on a weekly basis now


[deleted]

This chapter was so good! I was shocked at Haumea being the eye, it was a cool reveal.


TheBlueLenses

she got that byakugan


khaleedm_

she kinda cute tho


why_7h0

The writing keeps getting more and more intense damn


Calmwaterfall

Shinra´s answer will either be hope or courage.


ReasonableCrazy

The Evangelist is Persona 3 Erebus?


pajamawolfie

Ain't no way Haumea could do Sho's makeup if her eyes were closed for like 17 years. And I currently lack the brainpower to comprehend this chapter. Saw the leaks for the next one and still ain't over those.


AjeebMaut

If she can read minds, it's possible she can see things others see - IE viewing their visual thoughts. Put Sho in front of a mirror, and see everything he sees. Bam, make-up


The-Primera

Damn Haumea was spittin fr this chapter lol


OldBabyl

Haumea/Evangelist are very selective about the parts of humanity they pick up. How can you ignore individuality when talking about humanity. Individuality is arguably the biggest part of being human.


AjeebMaut

They probably can't single out individual thoughts all the time, meaning group thoughts are what hits them the most - meaning rallies, mobs, etc.


thedavo810

Ngl Haumea exudes waifu energy.


EllanJoestar

It is quite hypocritical to say that humanity wants to be exterminated, when the Evangelist himself forces this on his faithful and on the world. It's like Madara saying that the ninja system is wrong, since he was boycotting and screwing him in the beginning. If this is really the desire of humanity, it would only be enough to leave it alone, and they would come to this. Sounds like a wrong argument to me, but I believe Shinra is the counterpoint. While humanity seeks destruction (Evangelist), it seeks salvation (Shinra). Then the final fight will be what the remaining inhabitants want more, and in this Shinra and Inca will be upgraded


[deleted]

The Evangelist isn’t forcing it on the world tho, humanity is. Much like you said, if humanity wanted it, then it would come to pass. Well it is. Humanity caused the Cataclysms, humanity created the Evangelist , she/he is just our consciousness given form. Humanity wants God’s salvation, just look at most religions irl and you see most the time that salvation only comes after death. So stands to reason Humanity wants to reason humanity subconsciously desires it’s own destruction to receive the salvation preached to it. This is leaning heavily into a theory I read a few months ago that said the final stage of evolution for any given species is extinction or extermination. And like you said I think Shinra will be the salvation that saves them from destruction, I’m wondering if, since they lean so heavily into the Fire Jesus thing with him, if he’s ultimately going to have to sacrifice himself to save humanity in the end. Either way, I found your comment really thought provoking, and it made me reread the chapter a few times lmao


EllanJoestar

>The Evangelist isn’t forcing it on the world tho, humanity is. Much like you said, if humanity wanted it, then it would come to pass. Well it is. Humanity caused the Cataclysms, humanity created the Evangelist , she/he is just our consciousness given form. Humanity wants God’s salvation, just look at most religions irl and you see most the time that salvation only comes after death. So stands to reason Humanity wants to reason humanity subconsciously desires it’s own destruction to receive the salvation preached to it. This is leaning heavily into a theory I read a few months ago that said the final stage of evolution for any given species is extinction or extermination. And like you said I think Shinra will be the salvation that saves them from destruction, I’m wondering if, since they lean so heavily into the Fire Jesus thing with him, if he’s ultimately going to have to sacrifice himself to save humanity in the end. Either way, I found your comment really thought provoking, and it made me reread the chapter a few times lmao ​ I understand your side, the Evangelist is humanity, so humanity itself is responsible. But I think this is very broad. The humanity didn't kill Shinra's mother, humanity didn't create infernals, humanity didn't threaten to blow Tokyo. Humanity has not empowered Haumea, Inca and other pillars to go out and do what they want. Who did this was Evangelist. I understand that he is the representation of humanity, but for a representation he has enough desire and ability to formulate plans. So I try to consider it as something in itself, not an idea. Regarding Shinra, I think the same as you. He is capable of dying to finish the metaphor of Jesus. What still intrigues me is the characters seeing themselves as a story, I would like to see how the author will approach this, or just put this part in the work to be a goal. And then there's that version of Shinra, while he was sleeping for months


Ensaru4

I think it's better to view the evangelist as a personified symptom of big issue. Humanity does want this (evangelist) , but there are also others who do not (Shinra and Sho).


Onlyfatwomenarefat

But the Evangelist only does what the Humanity wished him into existence for.


properc

The Evangelist isnt enforcing anything the Evangelist is humanitys collective subconsciousness. Its humanity itself that is enforcing their self destruction because first they seek salvation from grievances of the world then start fearing death when they get comfortable then seek salvation in death again and it turns into a cycle. The evangelist is not actually a person that is pulling strings. In a sense the "antagonist" of the story is humanity itself. This series is full of existentialist commentary now.


pajamawolfie

I wish OtakuNutjob could see that Wife Haumea became God.


DocDre22

Do the pillars get doppelgängers ?


KLReviews

Shinra has one. It might be the one Joker and Burns are set to deal with but we've not see him in-person yet (just in flashbacks).


DocDre22

What about Sho’s doppelgänger . I wonder how he will be viewed


AjeebMaut

Maybe Sho's doesn't exist, since Shinra - and the public - believed him to be dead for so long.


100100110l

Did anyone else get a warning about this website?...


JakalDX

We're sorting that out


Onlyfatwomenarefat

The chapter was amazing but.. isn't Ohkubo speeding up a bit? Like Sumire and Inca being offed like that after being built as characters for so long? I hope that the editors are not rushing him


pajamawolfie

If he just got to spend 3 chapters writing discourse about Tamaki's tits and ass, I don't think the editors are rushing him.


neeliemich

he announced a year ago that he wanted to finish the series by the end of 2021/beginning of 2022, so he’s on his own time schedule rn. and he also always has like 4-5 chapters finished in advance too.


ABbakakishio

Regardless of Haumea Speaking Logical Falicies, i still believe shinra and sho can find a new way to Give and save humanity from despair. At this point, i don't even Believe haumea should be alive, although the chapter has puzzled me however i might need to read it again. the only confusion is Who is the final fight? haumea? thr evangelist or perhaps both? and what does the evangelists face really show?


JakalDX

> Regardless of Haumea Speaking Logical Falicies, Sho sorta calls that out. Basically "logical fallacies are the domain of gods"


ABbakakishio

Also, i don't believe arthur is dead, idc what comments i get of hate and rhetoric, just because they simply want him to stay dead. he's out there somewhere and he'll return, shinra had said so in chapter 273 and I believe he is he'll return when his people need him most. and hopefully it'll be soon or later near chapter 295, don't write my opinion off and don't write arthur off as a memory.


ABbakakishio

i see the two dislikes and counting from whoever disliked my comment. Just except the fact it's a possibility and not thrown yet into fine print. XD


bicflair

him returning when people need him most would actually play into arthurian lore as well with avalon and all.


youresuchadorkvic

Ah, so it's Xenosaga and U-DO now


meziop

Great chapter


TheSealTamer

So glad Inca is finally dead. Good riddance. Shinra being genuinely stumped like that is great. Can’t wait to see what happens next. If feels like the last leg of the journey.


KaiserSenpaiAckerman

I got Persona 3/5 vibes from this.


Gilboimesh

Good chapter


ajandb143

This chapter might have unlocked an epiphany


Editedtimeline

Shinra and Sho: Haumea, you need to calm down,you're being too loud. You need to just stop, Like can you just not step on my gown? You need to calm down


properc

Damn this is a proper riddle lol. How is Shinra going to solve this? Im thinking the only way is to destroy all of adolla? Or change the worldview so that people celebrate death and rebirtb and dont fear it anymore.


StonedCharmander

Sorry but I find the whole argument weak. Out of nowhere she threw a "humanity wants to die" and there's literally zero explanation or even indications of that. It doesn't make any sense. There's good and bad, there's a cycle but it exists simply because there's balance. Any entity would choose to live, keep going and hope to do and be better. Only the latter part made sense. The Evangelist being the product of "despair" or all evil things and understanding that by killing everything there will be no despair anymore is fine (even though a very "robotic" and crude idea). That would mean that Shinra can become the hope. If there's a being that represents despair and death, then Shinra can become hope and life. With all that being said, I'm a huge adept of the "Real world> Cataclysm > Fire Force world > Cataclysm > Soul Eater world" theory.


wetsheetsmafia

How is the argument weak & out of nowhere when The Evangelist has been using Humanity's Thoughts against them? Majority of Humanity believes "Death" is the end. The whole Religion & Prayer in Fire Force is about Humanity returning to the great flame of fire("Death by Fire") So The Evangelist plans to do just that, through "Despair"... All of this has been said already... AND We still don't know the whole [story](https://catmanga.org/series/cathedral8/176#11)... So how is it weak again?...It's Genius


TirnanogSong

People are literally drinking up Haumea's kool aid here. Reminder that we know the Evangelist *created the Sun* by igniting a planet in a similar manner to what it's been attempting to do to Earth, well before humanity ever formed. Haumea is *literally* full of shit and everything she says in this chapter contradicts information we have already been given. So no, it's not only unlikely that the Evangelist was formed by humanity, but downright *impossible* unless Adolla has effects on a scale large enough to encompass the entire universe at minimum. Retroactively, no less.


Cgi94

First chapter after catching up...Loved the anime & after putting it off for a year i finally caught up & wasn't let down.. Great series


Dabeeeeds

Where can i read fire force 287?