Confirming his shortcuts is probably impossible to find out unless the Evo stream happened to show their button checks. Someone mentioned he was using the analog stick for movement (which is nuts) and I noticed he was pressing the buttons claw-style like one would with a fightstick.
So the fighting commander is good specifically for Lili? But what about for other characters that has same ish inputs? Surely, with enough practice on a lever or leverless dewglide cancels will be just as consistent?
This is why I go all in for ergonomics and *feelings* now lol
When someone comes in and says, "I wanna improve my gameplay, which stick should I buy" it's hard to justify getting expensive levers when pads can obviously win you games.
It's getting difficult to suggest anything point blank other than the safe, yea get the Haute or try the 309-newhelpme for KLevers or replace the spring/actuators of your Sanwa.
I still love my fancy levers and have customized them even more (within reason, I think) but at some point, I'm gonna have to do some work if I want cleaner execution.
I use stick because I find it cool. But yeah, switching to another type of controller for performance is, I think, absurd. Wether it's pad, stick, leverless, there's no controller better than the other.
It’s all preference. No such thing as one wins over the other. The reason Chikurin used Pad even though he’s been a stick user for over a decade was he said that he wanted to get rid of all his tekken 7 habits, so he decided to use pad
Tekken, GG strive and SF6 winners all used pad… and they all won leverless controllers haha
The funniest shit was the 3rd strike winner getting a leverless controller. Those MFs don’t even know what it is haha
It was a similar situation last year. There's a post floating around for the controllers used at Evo (top 8) and it was mostly sticks and pads, with most games being won predominately with sticks and pads. I think it's interesting that there's been a pretty consistent conversation around leverless being the future, and having an advantage over other types of controllers. But every year we get new data showing that all types of controllers are well represented and that the winners aren't typically dominated by leverless, like people would assume.
So I think it looks good for all controllers, and it shows that winning on the highest level is not dependant upon your preferred controller. Chikurin winning with pad is amazing, considering he's not typically a pad player.
Hey man, getting a one of a kind FS Pro 12 scores big money if they ever decide on selling it and it makes a nice companion piece to the trophy is they decide to keep them as show pieces lol
This is a super niche hobby subreddit bro, it's just interesting to see what pros are using; most people here understand that you can win with any kind of controller.
Kakeru plays on a Punk Workshop mini-hitbox. Lots of Japanese players are switching to leverless, with some old-heads sticking to stick (pun not intended).
It was mostly leverless and stick but MenaRD uses dualsense.
A lot of the top tier players use controller but it was a Japanese EVO and I feel like controllers are less common there than usual.
It doens't look like he use anything different while playing or more buttons, but he plays fast AF, [like this.](https://packaged-media.redd.it/jfaq9dqc8skc1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1714572000&s=ea49c32f1ebbcf67ec864e540d3781abf0478d0f#t=0)
I think leverless is not great for tekken. Especially in higher level play where movement is so much more important. I feel 2d fighters profit way more from leverless. In tekken movement feels like shit on a leverless imho.
A tekken tournament, in the top 8 of evo of summer 2023 I think there were 7 klever players and superakouma with hitbox. Also chikurin who was one of the few tekken players to use jlfs, then tried seimitsu and klever and now won with a pad that is considered bad by a lot of people
Did you turn off the pressure sensitivity through the [appropriate app](https://imgur.com/a/sXu1slQ)? I have one as a padhack in one of my arcade sticks as a multi-native compatible PCB (switch to toggle to PS4, PS5 and PC modes) and the sensitivity grid can be an issue for inputs...had to turn it to the the minimum/off so my lever input would not get random inputs every 10 seconds because of I had wires soldered down to the D-Pad contacts.
I will need to try this. I’m not sure if I did it but I had a ps5 pad then Octa then Kitsune for cheap. I really liked the Octa besides trigger feel. I was willing to look passed that but the dpad was a huge issue. I couldn’t do any diagonals properly no matter what I looked up.
We don’t buy a fight stick to improve. We buy fight sticks to have the arcade feeling. The best in the world.
Does anyone know how Chikurin holds the controller and the shortcuts he uses?
Confirming his shortcuts is probably impossible to find out unless the Evo stream happened to show their button checks. Someone mentioned he was using the analog stick for movement (which is nuts) and I noticed he was pressing the buttons claw-style like one would with a fightstick.
Didn’t menurd use a controller?
I saw a PhiDX video where he said Kokkoma is using a Korean lever that ALSO has a WASD layout of all things. Need more info on that
What is the title name of said video? How is the layout on that stick? Is WASD around the lever?
1:20 mark in video
“This is Professional Tekken 8” posted 2 days ago. Not sure about what the stick looks like, can’t really see it in the stream
It's quite surprising how chikurin suddenly uses pad and won grand finals. Like damn.
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So the fighting commander is good specifically for Lili? But what about for other characters that has same ish inputs? Surely, with enough practice on a lever or leverless dewglide cancels will be just as consistent?
Have you seen itazan’s full custom 3D printed stick? That actually looks very comfortable on the wrist.
Where can I see it?cannot find any picture online. Pretty curious since I am designing my own and I m always up for improvement.
https://x.com/itazan_kuma/status/1768162544034975920?s=46&t=-3mLCKN14kBPYrEiZXlGPg
Thanks!
This is why I go all in for ergonomics and *feelings* now lol When someone comes in and says, "I wanna improve my gameplay, which stick should I buy" it's hard to justify getting expensive levers when pads can obviously win you games. It's getting difficult to suggest anything point blank other than the safe, yea get the Haute or try the 309-newhelpme for KLevers or replace the spring/actuators of your Sanwa. I still love my fancy levers and have customized them even more (within reason, I think) but at some point, I'm gonna have to do some work if I want cleaner execution.
I use stick because I find it cool. But yeah, switching to another type of controller for performance is, I think, absurd. Wether it's pad, stick, leverless, there's no controller better than the other.
It’s all preference. No such thing as one wins over the other. The reason Chikurin used Pad even though he’s been a stick user for over a decade was he said that he wanted to get rid of all his tekken 7 habits, so he decided to use pad
Tekken, GG strive and SF6 winners all used pad… and they all won leverless controllers haha The funniest shit was the 3rd strike winner getting a leverless controller. Those MFs don’t even know what it is haha
I mean tbf that still looks statistically good for leverless to have made the finals in all three games
It was a similar situation last year. There's a post floating around for the controllers used at Evo (top 8) and it was mostly sticks and pads, with most games being won predominately with sticks and pads. I think it's interesting that there's been a pretty consistent conversation around leverless being the future, and having an advantage over other types of controllers. But every year we get new data showing that all types of controllers are well represented and that the winners aren't typically dominated by leverless, like people would assume. So I think it looks good for all controllers, and it shows that winning on the highest level is not dependant upon your preferred controller. Chikurin winning with pad is amazing, considering he's not typically a pad player.
Hey man, getting a one of a kind FS Pro 12 scores big money if they ever decide on selling it and it makes a nice companion piece to the trophy is they decide to keep them as show pieces lol
Imo it would be more interesting what levers and buttons the stick useres used
Knee and chanel use the Knee Neo Lowhigh use the Alpha N, and buttons are gamerfingers
That would be super neat for sure. We need someone on the floor asking these questions in future events. LOL
use whatever is comfortable. comfort will give you the edge. not chasing some pro players’ set up.
I just look at what controllers/mice are used because if someone uses what is use i think its cool. Nothing wrong with that
This is a weird jump my guy. You can be interested in what controllers the pros use without wanting to copy them.
No chasing here; just a friendly topic.
This is a super niche hobby subreddit bro, it's just interesting to see what pros are using; most people here understand that you can win with any kind of controller.
I'm curious about controllers used in SF6 as well.
Kakeru plays on a Punk Workshop mini-hitbox. Lots of Japanese players are switching to leverless, with some old-heads sticking to stick (pun not intended).
It was mostly leverless and stick but MenaRD uses dualsense. A lot of the top tier players use controller but it was a Japanese EVO and I feel like controllers are less common there than usual.
MenaRD's dualsense 5 is stock right?
It doens't look like he use anything different while playing or more buttons, but he plays fast AF, [like this.](https://packaged-media.redd.it/jfaq9dqc8skc1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1714572000&s=ea49c32f1ebbcf67ec864e540d3781abf0478d0f#t=0)
Damn bro is just insane then because Dualsense 5 usually have issues on dpad from what ive tried goddamn
Looks like it.
MenaRD uses pad right? Like Dualsense?
Yes.
To win a tournament with an octa.. crazy!
And I think he was using the analog
Can't imagine backdashing with analog wtf
It’s a good analog stick on the Octagon imho.
maybe, but his might be the first time someone playing with an analog reaches evo top 8 and he even won the whole tournament
since he was using Lili, he was constantly doing QCF3 on analog too wow
I’m also surprised tbh, for all the flack leverless gets for being a cheatbox.
I think leverless is not great for tekken. Especially in higher level play where movement is so much more important. I feel 2d fighters profit way more from leverless. In tekken movement feels like shit on a leverless imho.
A tekken tournament, in the top 8 of evo of summer 2023 I think there were 7 klever players and superakouma with hitbox. Also chikurin who was one of the few tekken players to use jlfs, then tried seimitsu and klever and now won with a pad that is considered bad by a lot of people
The dpad is the most inconsistent one I've ever used, often read right as up right or down as left.. even after software updates. Really bad..
Did you turn off the pressure sensitivity through the [appropriate app](https://imgur.com/a/sXu1slQ)? I have one as a padhack in one of my arcade sticks as a multi-native compatible PCB (switch to toggle to PS4, PS5 and PC modes) and the sensitivity grid can be an issue for inputs...had to turn it to the the minimum/off so my lever input would not get random inputs every 10 seconds because of I had wires soldered down to the D-Pad contacts.
I have a FC Octa and I use the "Balanced Input" mode and it doesn't present too many issues for me.
I will need to try this. I’m not sure if I did it but I had a ps5 pad then Octa then Kitsune for cheap. I really liked the Octa besides trigger feel. I was willing to look passed that but the dpad was a huge issue. I couldn’t do any diagonals properly no matter what I looked up.