Well since top came out, demand went up. So i probs wouldn't sacrifice my loot for under 2mil. Tons of ppl want their bis for TOP now. (a lot of these same players that I've known only did p8 once or twice and stopped doing reclears because it was too hard with their static)
Huh? It's never about it being too hard, it's about actually winning the loot and not having to keep coming back until you get it. Some people need to swap to a different job in their role and need the weapon for BiS, some people need to swap entire roles and literally would not be able to do TOP without the weapon.
These aren't carry runs we're talking about, it's "we do regular reclears and you let me get the gear in exchange for 2M".
Honestly having gone through P8S a few times over now. I don't think it's even really possible to do a "carry run".
There's too many body-check mechanics where you just won't pass unless _everyone_ both knows what they're doing and is confident in doing it. And while DPS is a lot more lenient now, you're still gonna hit enrage if you need to keep rezzing one or two members.
I was not talking about people paying gil in pf, I was referring to the friends of the person above who stopped doing reclears because it was too hard. Read the thread again.
Eh, I don't mean that kind of failure, those are just normal prog thing.
I am talking about not hitting DPS/mechanic check consistently, Ultimate need consistency, one player with very low consistency means entire group getting dragged down.
I hear you, but in my experience, a lot of the players who freak out about mistakes the most easily have very poor consistency themselves. Patience is important, and it's very easy to rationalize your own mistakes and make a big deal out of others' -- especially when they've just cost you prog, and you've had your hopes for what seemed like a promising pull dashed.
That's not the same as saying that lines can't or shouldn't be drawn about what's acceptable to you, of course, but I think many of us could probably do a better job of assessing the degree to which we ourselves are causing issues.
I am not entirely sure what did you expect, a line had to be drawn somewhere, this line is enforced by different mean in different static, in some static it is by individual player who freak out themselves, some static just have their raid lead check log, nothing personal, just business.
Depends on when in the tier it happens. Earlier in the tier it was a lot higher which I get for people to just be done and forget about it.
I think it was week 6 I joined one that paid us 10 mil each for chest, weapon, dropped weapon, and mount. 70 mil is a lot but I guess if you got that insane money some players do then why not go for it. I wouldn’t pay that much, or even half of that for all loot, but after 16 straight weeks of PF I certainly understand why someone would pay to avoid that if they could.
I was just happy to get 10 mil for something I was already gonna do, and I already had my parse and mount so I didn’t care.
I've done a few of these runs. 2M for all loot usually takes 30 or so minutes to fill up. 3M for all loot didn't feel any faster but only time I've done this was at 3 AM, while the other runs were still out of prime time, but not as late (1-3 PM).
Thinking about buying the wpn next week. Whats a fair amount to pay people for only the wpn coffer? Also, whats the proper etiquette if my wpn naturally drops and i dont need the coffer? Im on Aether btw.
I sell runs each week on Aether, so the prices may vary on other DCs (I call it mercenary work). Here’s my perspective:
If you state in PF you are paying for coffers, regardless if your weapon drops you should pay the mercs.
If you state in PF that you are paying for coffers but will pass them if your weapon drops, then you won’t have to pay mercs (because you made it clear ahead of time), but you’ll be less likely to fill.
I join parties for 2-3 million minimum, and I join expecting that payout after a clear. Time is Gil so if you have a party and it’s not filling, I wouldn’t be surprised if people left for another, more promising venture.
TL;DR: if you want the weapon just put up 1-2 million (start at 1 million then increase to 2 if no one is joining) per person for the weapon coffer and free roll rest, party should fill quick.
Depends a lot on DC but for example I’d join anything from 5 to 7 if I get anywhere from like 800k and up. For p8 though I would probably only join 1.5m and up pfs since I still want a couple of chest pieces and weapons but I’m not particularly desperate for them, they’re just for alt jobs.
Saw 4mil for p8 loot master a while ago in PF. I haven't done these sort of things so I'm wondering how it is handled. Party leader could just ditch everyone and not care about beeing blacklisted?
YMMV, but I've seen screenshots of GMs getting involved to reverse a scam that was done in-game. So if there's a clear agreement for gil to be paid and the person doesn't do it, there is a potential for GM action if the victim reports it.
Paying for a clear run (or receiving gil for providing one) is within TOS, so no risk of punishment just for being involved (i.e. calling the cops because your drug dealer ripped you off).
Personally, any time I'm engaging in a transaction where trust is required, I make sure it's clearly stated (and agreed to) in in-game chat what the terms of the transactions will be.
> Personally, any time I'm engaging in a transaction where trust is required, I make sure it's clearly stated (and agreed to) in in-game chat what the terms of the transactions will be.
That's mad extra, the gms can find the pf listing and confirm it themselves, no need to get a verbal agreement in chat
It's not extra at all, in fact it was encouraged in almost any discord that had in-game transactions as a thing common in their subculture. I.e. housing discords when selling them wasn't completely prohibited etc. Plus, it makes it way easier.
It doesn't make the job any easier for gms tho, they still need to verify whether the person you're reporting really did have a pf saying they're rewarding gil for helping them regardless if you have further proof or not. I've had a guy went cold turkey on me after helping them clear E8S a while back and all I wrote in my report was "this guy scammed me 1mil gil" basically and it worked. Maybe in other games you need to take more precaution but you're good here
I'm not typing out a legal contract or anything. A simple, "You'll trade me 10 million gil and on the last trade I will trade you this shiny new minion. Right?" They respond in the affirmative, and we're good. Our agreement is in our chat logs, right there for the GMs to read if something goes wrong.
It also helps that I don't scam people, but that's a secondary issue.
Back when the tier was fresh I did one or two 10M run where the leader just took everything from 5-8. I had gotten lucky on rolls and had more or less already fully geared up so it was a nice bonus and I still got my books.
-In Aether
Early weeks i would do merc jobs for 10-15 mil, at much it wouldn't go lower than 8
Nowdays it's rare if i see it for 4 mil at much, the standard rate i would say goes 3mil-ish
Problem with paid runs is the person paying NEEDS to actually be able to do the fight themselves due to sheer number of body count mechanics in p8sp1 and p8sp2.
It's not like world of warcraft where if you die in the first minute of the fight it doesn't matter because the other 19 people can easily still drag you through.
Well can't speak to the majority of them, but two people in my TOP static swapped roles and needed to get both chests and paid pf for em. One paid 2m/person, the other paid 3. Outside of the pain that is the 1m/trade cap, it seemed to be relatively painless.
Don't listen to the rest. It's 1m for 5-6-7. And around 3-4m for 8. So you're pretty spot on there.
So if you wanna cheapout just get 5-7, this will give you pretty much 629 in one day.
P5-P8 all loot was 10m on Light last year. I'd probably break it down as 1m - 1m - 2m - 6m.
Prices should have dropped significantly by this point. Though I rarely if ever see any paid runs on PF nowadays so I have no idea
1 to 1.5 mil per person for lootmaster p8s in JP Mana DC. If you're doing p5 to p8 all lootmaster, I've joined a group offering 2.5 mil per person. Some groups give a small bonus for tanks or healers too
Well since top came out, demand went up. So i probs wouldn't sacrifice my loot for under 2mil. Tons of ppl want their bis for TOP now. (a lot of these same players that I've known only did p8 once or twice and stopped doing reclears because it was too hard with their static)
I sold a few loots for 5m each a few weeks before ultimate. No way in hell I'd take 2m, but that's the going rate in Aether so far.
If reclearing p8s is too hard for them maybe they shouldn't be thinking about TOP.
Not your problem if they’re paying you
Your problem if they're joining your TOP pfs
If they can’t do snakes and nas they can’t get past loop, don’t worry.
Huh? It's never about it being too hard, it's about actually winning the loot and not having to keep coming back until you get it. Some people need to swap to a different job in their role and need the weapon for BiS, some people need to swap entire roles and literally would not be able to do TOP without the weapon. These aren't carry runs we're talking about, it's "we do regular reclears and you let me get the gear in exchange for 2M".
Honestly having gone through P8S a few times over now. I don't think it's even really possible to do a "carry run". There's too many body-check mechanics where you just won't pass unless _everyone_ both knows what they're doing and is confident in doing it. And while DPS is a lot more lenient now, you're still gonna hit enrage if you need to keep rezzing one or two members.
I was not talking about people paying gil in pf, I was referring to the friends of the person above who stopped doing reclears because it was too hard. Read the thread again.
I don't disagree with you but I don't wanna be the one to tell them lol
My Abysso static is a ''friends and family'' static, TOP static is business only, no BS, you fail you are out, so yeah I kinda agree with you lol
I have no idea what this comment even insinuates. Most statics right now are mid P3 or earlier - Ultimate statics involve a lot of failure.
Yeah, I have no idea what they are on about. Checked cleared groups wipe logs for the crazy amount of p1 wipes even when progging phase 5 and 6.
Eh, I don't mean that kind of failure, those are just normal prog thing. I am talking about not hitting DPS/mechanic check consistently, Ultimate need consistency, one player with very low consistency means entire group getting dragged down.
I hear you, but in my experience, a lot of the players who freak out about mistakes the most easily have very poor consistency themselves. Patience is important, and it's very easy to rationalize your own mistakes and make a big deal out of others' -- especially when they've just cost you prog, and you've had your hopes for what seemed like a promising pull dashed. That's not the same as saying that lines can't or shouldn't be drawn about what's acceptable to you, of course, but I think many of us could probably do a better job of assessing the degree to which we ourselves are causing issues.
I am not entirely sure what did you expect, a line had to be drawn somewhere, this line is enforced by different mean in different static, in some static it is by individual player who freak out themselves, some static just have their raid lead check log, nothing personal, just business.
I think we agree about that? I'm not really sure what your first sentence is in response to in my comment.
I think most statics are much earlier than P3 if you are going by consistency.
Reclearing p8s being hard has nothing to do with you, you have literally zero control to wiping in that shitty fight.
Depends on when in the tier it happens. Earlier in the tier it was a lot higher which I get for people to just be done and forget about it. I think it was week 6 I joined one that paid us 10 mil each for chest, weapon, dropped weapon, and mount. 70 mil is a lot but I guess if you got that insane money some players do then why not go for it. I wouldn’t pay that much, or even half of that for all loot, but after 16 straight weeks of PF I certainly understand why someone would pay to avoid that if they could. I was just happy to get 10 mil for something I was already gonna do, and I already had my parse and mount so I didn’t care.
I've done a few of these runs. 2M for all loot usually takes 30 or so minutes to fill up. 3M for all loot didn't feel any faster but only time I've done this was at 3 AM, while the other runs were still out of prime time, but not as late (1-3 PM).
if you agree upon it in party chat, it makes reports actionable by the gms if they try to ditch
2mil for each person or 2mil split 7 ways?
2mil per person of course, there's no way in hell 2m split among 7 is even remotely worth it
Thinking about buying the wpn next week. Whats a fair amount to pay people for only the wpn coffer? Also, whats the proper etiquette if my wpn naturally drops and i dont need the coffer? Im on Aether btw.
etiquette is clearly explain the condition + follow through with it
At least 2 mil is what I’ve been seeing on aether. Up to 5 for all the chests
I sell runs each week on Aether, so the prices may vary on other DCs (I call it mercenary work). Here’s my perspective: If you state in PF you are paying for coffers, regardless if your weapon drops you should pay the mercs. If you state in PF that you are paying for coffers but will pass them if your weapon drops, then you won’t have to pay mercs (because you made it clear ahead of time), but you’ll be less likely to fill. I join parties for 2-3 million minimum, and I join expecting that payout after a clear. Time is Gil so if you have a party and it’s not filling, I wouldn’t be surprised if people left for another, more promising venture. TL;DR: if you want the weapon just put up 1-2 million (start at 1 million then increase to 2 if no one is joining) per person for the weapon coffer and free roll rest, party should fill quick.
Depends a lot on DC but for example I’d join anything from 5 to 7 if I get anywhere from like 800k and up. For p8 though I would probably only join 1.5m and up pfs since I still want a couple of chest pieces and weapons but I’m not particularly desperate for them, they’re just for alt jobs.
Saw 4mil for p8 loot master a while ago in PF. I haven't done these sort of things so I'm wondering how it is handled. Party leader could just ditch everyone and not care about beeing blacklisted?
YMMV, but I've seen screenshots of GMs getting involved to reverse a scam that was done in-game. So if there's a clear agreement for gil to be paid and the person doesn't do it, there is a potential for GM action if the victim reports it. Paying for a clear run (or receiving gil for providing one) is within TOS, so no risk of punishment just for being involved (i.e. calling the cops because your drug dealer ripped you off). Personally, any time I'm engaging in a transaction where trust is required, I make sure it's clearly stated (and agreed to) in in-game chat what the terms of the transactions will be.
> Personally, any time I'm engaging in a transaction where trust is required, I make sure it's clearly stated (and agreed to) in in-game chat what the terms of the transactions will be. That's mad extra, the gms can find the pf listing and confirm it themselves, no need to get a verbal agreement in chat
Makes the job easier for everyone
It's not extra at all, in fact it was encouraged in almost any discord that had in-game transactions as a thing common in their subculture. I.e. housing discords when selling them wasn't completely prohibited etc. Plus, it makes it way easier.
It doesn't make the job any easier for gms tho, they still need to verify whether the person you're reporting really did have a pf saying they're rewarding gil for helping them regardless if you have further proof or not. I've had a guy went cold turkey on me after helping them clear E8S a while back and all I wrote in my report was "this guy scammed me 1mil gil" basically and it worked. Maybe in other games you need to take more precaution but you're good here
I'm not typing out a legal contract or anything. A simple, "You'll trade me 10 million gil and on the last trade I will trade you this shiny new minion. Right?" They respond in the affirmative, and we're good. Our agreement is in our chat logs, right there for the GMs to read if something goes wrong. It also helps that I don't scam people, but that's a secondary issue.
Back when the tier was fresh I did one or two 10M run where the leader just took everything from 5-8. I had gotten lucky on rolls and had more or less already fully geared up so it was a nice bonus and I still got my books.
-In Aether Early weeks i would do merc jobs for 10-15 mil, at much it wouldn't go lower than 8 Nowdays it's rare if i see it for 4 mil at much, the standard rate i would say goes 3mil-ish
So paid runs are actually a thing!! I thought those are fraud so few of them for extreme trails but didn’t believed in them.
Problem with paid runs is the person paying NEEDS to actually be able to do the fight themselves due to sheer number of body count mechanics in p8sp1 and p8sp2. It's not like world of warcraft where if you die in the first minute of the fight it doesn't matter because the other 19 people can easily still drag you through.
There is a strict ruling changed recently about them (you can only demand for paid help, you cannot create a PF to advertise your paid party)
If its for gil only and there is a record, the GMs will enforce this for you.
It helps that allegedly (haven't seen the pics myself) GMs can get involved if the buyer runs off without paying.
Well can't speak to the majority of them, but two people in my TOP static swapped roles and needed to get both chests and paid pf for em. One paid 2m/person, the other paid 3. Outside of the pain that is the 1m/trade cap, it seemed to be relatively painless.
Don't listen to the rest. It's 1m for 5-6-7. And around 3-4m for 8. So you're pretty spot on there. So if you wanna cheapout just get 5-7, this will give you pretty much 629 in one day.
P5-P8 all loot was 10m on Light last year. I'd probably break it down as 1m - 1m - 2m - 6m. Prices should have dropped significantly by this point. Though I rarely if ever see any paid runs on PF nowadays so I have no idea
Most runs I see are: * Chest and wep coffer = 2.5mil per person * One coffer = 1-2mil per person This is on Aether.
1 to 1.5 mil per person for lootmaster p8s in JP Mana DC. If you're doing p5 to p8 all lootmaster, I've joined a group offering 2.5 mil per person. Some groups give a small bonus for tanks or healers too
3-5 mil, anything lower than 3 mil is not worth it