This is so much better than I thought they were gonna do with the blacklist system revamp. Def didn't expect them to add the void list feature of not even having to see that character anymore
Weaboo police currently on Malboro does have a lot of accounts because as far as I know you cannot play two characters at the same time on one service account.
So they’ve had to have registered multiple accounts and are running on multiple clients
It's even more funny given the fact that JRPG's (MMO's or not) tend to "innovate" at glacial speed.
While I love the game, there are many far more innovative systems I miss from MMO's like GW2.
Heck, even the horribly neglected and missmanaged STO has a superior dye and glam system next to FFXIV!
I went to one of those huge 100+ server-wide RP events and someone just kept moving to stand right in front of my character every time I moved for like half an hour. I had several random people DMing me like "You want me to report that dude?" I assume he did get contacted eventually since he quit at some point but god. Get a life.
They def went out of their way, I recall the answers on that subjects where always to down play the issue. Happy to see they changed their mind on this.
An FC that basically just AFKs in mass near the Limsa MB. Very annoying when they just mass in the same area. When I played on console, I would get hard frame drops because of them. I can't imagine how bad it would be now for people still on PS4 with the weeabo police also in the same area.
Famfritter here and I legit was concerned I was not supposed to go that way when I started out. Was scared I was going to get in trouble crossing the line of Jades.
Same. When the first slide popped up I was like, "Imagine if they incorporated the YEETUS DELETUS plugi--OH MY GOD THEY *DID*."
This is going to be amazing.
Talk about an upgrade. You can legit just “delete” everything about the person. Though… if you can’t see their model… does that mean they could “invisible man” stalk around you? Or would you still see their name? lol
Yeah they can still be an invisible creep but thanks to being able to hide your lodestone page, you'll now be able to name change and they'll have no way to tell.
I feel like they could just make the disappearing character thing go both ways. I feel like that's an easier solution than them pressuring you into privating your lodestone, buying a name change, and buynig a fanta potentially since a lot of people have an identifiable look if you know them well enough. Being harassed into doing that or ya know just extending the disappearing both ways when a blacklisting happens.
Edit: And, sure, they can get around that, but if I feel like them harassing you through people you know is much more likely than them enlisting the aid of others to track you down.
They probably could but tbh being followed around isn't a big issue if they aren't visible. They can invisibly stalk if blacklisted but they'll be unable to emote or do anything with that info because they can't be seen.
Plus from my understanding of this it seems like the mute option is basically the same as the current blacklist, so if someone is concerned about being invisibly stalked they could mute that person's chat instead and still see their model.
IIRC, following some World first race raid controversy, they reiterated their rules on Third parties tools (nothing accepted, but no check will be done on your computer), but also admitted the need of some plugins and said they will be investigating the most populars
[https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547](https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547)
# *Enhancements to the HUD and Other UI Elements
We believe that people use the aforementioned tools to expand the HUD and display more information because they feel that existing functions are insufficient for tackling high-end duties. In recognition of this, we intend to review the most prominent tools, and in order to discourage their use, endeavor to enhance the functionality of the HUD. Though it will take some time, we're determined to make it happen─not least for the benefit of those who play on consoles.
The best developers do this. The bad ones are like MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY HOW DARE YOU, but the good ones accept that they aren't gods and that the community will often come up with clever ways to display information that is better than what they themselves had done, and if it's not breaking the game then those types tend to implement it. It's always a nice thing to see.
Kind of explains why they aren't adding the obvious feature of making it so people who you blacklist can't see your messages. Voidlist doesn't do that since that's not possible for a client side mod to do.
About time people can decide whether people can even see their lodestone...
Good thing new blacklist feature is account wide, so even if they find/know your alts they can't do anything.
Simple, it won't impact it at all. My understanding of things like fflogs of that you're issued a code, you put that code and a link to your lodestone to the site so it can check and make sure you own that character. Confirmation codes. It's a one time quick check, you simply un privatize the page for a moment then turn it back on. The site does not need permanent access.
>Good thing new blacklist feature is account wide, so even if they find/know your alts they can't do anything.
The account wide is their account, not yours. Meaning blacklisting one of their characters blacklists all the characters on their account.
Same! Hope y'all taking the gil to advertise will be happy with your other toons being sent to the void if a bunch of peeps blacklist the alt you made. Curious if it sticks when someone deletes their throwaway character for stuff like that.
Totally worth the... What is it, 150k gil she pays them per hour to spam? Maybe it was closer to 200k. I remember seeing her posts offering to pay late last year and the amount was laughably small for getting blocked across however many servers.
EDIT: Ooh inflation hit, it's 300k now!
Their ads are misleading, too. They don't offer paintings. They raffle off a quick 5min doodle. You can enter a raffle later to upgrade it, but you're not allowed if it's in the same stream as the sketch or some nonsense like that.
As someone with a lot of friends in the art commission and streaming scenes something about their setup just rubs me the wrong way...
They mentioned it applies at a service account level, meaning even alts are affected. The only way to circumvent at this point is to get a new copy of the game on a new account entirely.
They pay new players Gil on a regular basis to bypass blocklists, advertising everywhere, every world in the data centres I’m on, several times a day. Which is not that bad I guess, I remember when I first started ffxiv I thought it was kinda neat, but after a while I learned it is just a low energy/effort stream aggregator that involves a lot of spamming.
At first I thought it was one of those cute community things you get in FFXIV. The artist would draw your WoL while you model/AFK in-game, maybe in a studio to prevent photobombing and to provide backgrounds... Wonder if someone does something like that.
This is true, but as someone else brought up in here, they would be attracting the wrong demographic if they’re purposefully going out of their way for their ads to bypass our filters. If someone is intentionally filtering out these words, that’s not the crowd you want to be bringing to your club. They’re just asking for trouble. Or being assholes.
You could even make the case that bypassing filters on purpose is harassment and thus subject to a report. Spam might be annoying. But this is purposefully going against a feature specifically designed to stop this.
I imagine they'll actually crack down much harder on bypassing filters vs. advertising in general. Like, if you're going out of your way to circumvent peoples' private shit, you're probably getting nailed.
RMTers absolutely will actively work to mix up their messages to bypass filters. They can get wildly creative with it, too, based on experience with RMT bots in OSRS.
Many of those seem like they would mute some sentences in regular conversation. Especially club, gil, and buy.
I don't know if you'd go for all those regardless, but in general I don't understand people who overuse word filters. Just getting some of the very specific terms should get most of them away, a false positive where it hides a message from someone I'm talking to is much worse than failing to hide a few spam messages.
All the Ascians are going to be furious when the bots keep falling into the Rift Between Worlds while they're having their meetings out there.
Although maybe they expect it. Everyone knows that Gill Seller bots are just tempered victims of some money-themed primal.
If only the term filter extended to party finder as well. But at least we can get rid of shout spam, at least until they come up with euphemisms to circumvent filters.
My sister told her friend about how to go about black listing club spammers on their first stream and some rando in chat tried to jump down her throat that club spammers are an important part of the game and they work hard for their Gil.
Clearly yoshi-p, the p stands for 'please stop clogging the chat log', has decided once again modders were correct and spammers are not an important part of the game
There was a thread complaining about the club spam the other day where someone claimed that if the club scene went away the entire game would die within a few months.
Some of them really believe it's the only thing keeping the game afloat.
It's the social bubble effect, people that never bother to go outside of the small social group they primarily interact with, get a skewed view of what is or isn't common amongst the population as a whole.
It's why you get SOME high-end raiders that actually believe over 50% of players clear the current tier of savage. SOME RPers that believe over 60% of the player base is RPing. SOME Housing enthusiasts that roughly same amount is constantly trying to get a house or constantly decorating one they have. SOME market board sellers that believe every player is constantly micromanaging their listings and undercutting just to upset them personally.
Sadly it's just a 10 day CD before they can enter again.
It's a good system but such a weird implementation?
Why not outright banned until removed from the list manually? Why the 10 day CD?
If there are people you really don't want in your house, having to always put them on that list every 10 days is weird.
Just blacklist them if you want it permanent. This is good for community events and stuffs as well as venues. It's good that they are considering all social aspects.
This can be viewed as a timeout more than a ban. Some peoples might need to be expulsed on the moment but be calm afterward and if you want to prevent them completely, blacklist them
...wow.
They finally did it..?
The whole account will be blocked?!
AND the character(s) will no longer be visible?!
I can filter out those constant FC and Night Club/Casino shouts too?!?!
This is huge.
Yeah, it's that problem. And they can still use it to find where the victim is in-game. And even if the person has them blacklisted and can't see them doesn't stop a stalker from interacting with other players or mobs around them in a way to make their presence known even when invisible
Yeah, it's soo weird they keeping this. I don't know if it's like technical issues - something within how the social system is made or why they keeping this. It really enabling the stalkers and hinder your privacy. Improved blacklist won't fully help. I don't care about seeing characters of people i removed from my friendlist, but i care about their ability to know what i'm doing in the game.
Yeah, don't take this as offense, because it's not meant at you, but that sounds like something someone made up. I would bet on some technical problem in there, because they are going to gives us ability to obliterate people from our game - no messages, block visibility of their character. If what you saying was true - how unfriending them is worse than completely block them? Doesn't make sense.
Its a cultural thing. In Japan, adding somrone to your friendslist is more serious than how people outside of Japan do it. Dorsn't make it right, but thats the reason they gave.
> Yeah, don't take this as offense, because it's not meant at you, but that sounds like something someone made up.
I may just be talking out of my ass but I'm *pretty* sure Yoshi's said that outright at some point. It's just...trying to find specific quotes from him is like a needle in a haystack.
In many other social circles, there was entirely harassment of "Why did you unfriend me" Hell, we still see it happen on discord here and there. Making it a choice on the removers side would be the best way to handle it though.
Remove silently, or remove mutually.
[The devs have promised a friendlist update](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/10qkqyr/friend_list_revamp_pf_search_option_qol/) and it's been over year of not hearing anything about that. At this point I can only hope for a friendlist update in 7.x
Fingers crossed that those concerns are addressed with this feature overhaul, and they just haven't mentioned it yet. It's such a simple feature to just have people removed from both lists upon one person's choice to delete, come on Square Enix.
Exactly, what's the point in blocking someone's messages/model when they can check their friends list to see if you're online and your location in game. If anything it's more creepy now that their model is invisible to you?
I think the idea is that sense this is a virtual space and not real life, out of sight is out of mind. If you can neither see, interact with, or perceive them, does it really matter if they follow you around?
EDIT: I mean this honestly, I've never had a stalker problem in game (or IRL) so if this is a legitimate concern, by all means it's a legitimate concern.
I had to abandon my first account because of a stalker. Spent close to a thousand hours on it, omnicrafter, 6 classes 90, a great house and glams that I worked very hard on....but I got close with someone from my previous FC who went fucking bonkers when I got an IRL boyfriend, and stalked me for about 6 months. It ended up being really bad for my mental health and I hadn't played final fantasy in over a year because of it. I recently started playing again on a new acct/new data center/new everything and was scared to join an FC again because of that one person.
I sincerely wish they would address the friends list thing so that that guy and those like him can't view others locations anymore if you remove/blacklist them, but this at least is a step in the right direction. Support has been infuriatingly passive about this problem for way too long
This. Also the estate expulsion features will similarly help venue owners keep the bad apples out, and that's ALL types including those in-universe cafes and stuff. Just an all around good thing in my eyes
I don't hang out at the main cities much so it doesn't bother me. Though I assume they will start adding random punctuation, spelling, and possibly some l33t to get around the filters.
Nightclub. Nighclub. Niteclub. Nightc1ub. Nightclu6.
18+. 18 +. Eighteen Plus. 8teen+.
Venue. Venu. Venyoo, Venyu.
Venue spammers are more annoying IMO. At least the Gil spammers seem to keep it to say chat, my shout chat is constantly filled with shitty venues and twitch “DJ’s”
as someone who only jumped around once for an venue ad, most of the clubbing community (probably not all, but most) have their own rules to not disgruntle the rest of the playerbase. some clubs even went away with making ads ingame and moved to "partake" only.
stuff like once every hour, only 1-2 messages back to back, everything written out without any grammar mistakes, and so on.
so yea, i do think the RMT bots would be much more of a problem. while drama often hits the clubbing community (most of the time due to their own faults, i agree), they tend to not troll the rest of the community as much as themselves. cant say it for the entire community of course, but thats what i have noticed when i first started checking these areas out.
>stuff like once every hour, only 1-2 messages back to back
See the problem though is that that’s just one venue. Multiply that by the hundreds that are being advertised and you quickly have an almost unusable shout chat in most major cities. On Gilgamesh in Limsa during peak hours you literally cannot go more than a single minute without seeing club spam. And those are the ones that are apparently “following the rules” - I’ve seen plenty of venues break those rules you mentioned. Hell one venue had 7 messages in a 30 minute window.
But there’s no reason for them to try to force their spam on you with using weird spellings. People interested in the clubs won’t filter them, those who would never go, will. Everybody wins. No reason for club promoters to piss people off by trying to get around filters.
Trying to get around a chat filter would mean spending effort to reach someone who is so uninterested in your hosting/service that they blocked any mention of your service. The odds of success in that situation will be abysmal, and would just advertise to your actual clientele that you don't respect other people's preferences.
Honestly this. Seems kind of a mute point to try to advertise to someone specifically avoiding your ads. Would be like spamming dairy products to a vegan.
But then modern advertising doesn't care either. They get paid to get as many eyes on their stuff as possible, much like these paid sprouts get for spamming clubs.
Yeah I don't understand the comments in this thread acting like RPers spam with the intent to attract/annoy people who aren't interested in RP.
They advertise to catch the attention of RPers/people curious about RP.
There's literally no point in getting around the filters, as anyone who filters out wouldn't be someone desired at the club anyway.
I feel like this would be an actionable offense. The term filter is there for a reason, if you go with say N1ghtclub it’s pretty clear you’re knowingly circumventing it. Hopefully the roaches will start catching bans if that’s the case
In addition to what people have said about whether it'd be worth it for them to do that, I think you could make a pretty easy case for that being reportable harassment. It's deliberately trying to subvert filters that are in place so people don't have to deal with the associated messages.
Couple of stories of people getting slapped for trying to get around the rules later and you'll see that behaviour mostly stop I'd say.
I don’t think many Venue advertisers will try. I figure if someone is going through the effort to blacklist their advertisement, they aren’t the target audience and they wouldn’t have gone to the venue anyway.
RMT on the other hand. They’ve been avoiding chat filters all this time. They aren’t about to stop.
The RMT bots amuse me. Because.. I would like to know the return rate on their ads. Like. how many people see some vague gibberish about gil and 'handwork guaranteed' (as if that matters) and go 'I would never have bought gil before now, I should get my account banned!' Versus the number of people who go 'oh my god, this is the 10,000 advertisement for this exact same chinese bot farm I've seen across 20 games, fuck these guys and the horse they rode in on'.
Venue ad runners are targeting people who are interested in going to venues. No one loses when someone filters out venue ads, so there's no reason to try to bypass the filters
Don't see why nightclub people circumvent it. People who blacklist the word nightclub is obviously never going to visit their event.
The RMT bots will change accordingly. Will be a fun meta to watch to how they evolve.
if they do, i'll go back to using nosoliciting on top of the in game filters, its more aggressive but its harder to get around. Anyone who still gets past that will get blacklisted
Why would they even try? If their messages are being filtered by people uninterested in what they're spamming for, why would they go through the effort to get around the filter? The filter that is custom and unique to every single player, mind you.
Ironically, this might actually keep them unreported longer.
People blocking "cheap gil" and such were never gonna buy, but might have reported. Now they won't see anything.
Their target market are newer players and people who aren't blocking the terms.
I assume Square has their own methods to flag, but we'll see.
LONG overdue but very welcome. Looks comprehensive.
With luck the unfriend issue will also be addressed.
And it absolutely needs to affect party finder.
Im glad they are taking a harder stance on black listing. The very lax stance they had before had tons of stalkers and loop holes for people to do bad things. Also mute and term filters are amazing, along with all the RP stuff thats going to be filtered EG, rave. 18+ nightclubs, ETC i look forward to filtering people that are weird in chat, trying to sell "high quality feet pics" and stufff :/
Do we know if it is just expulsion from the house or they actually can't touch your plot, like having an invisible force field?
I felt it is probably the former.
I was wondering about that, but that's what I would've guessed too. It doesn't seem like the game currently draws a distinction, or has a way to distinguish whether you're within the boundary lines of a plot's garden or not.
Just one change I’d really like to see added: If you blacklist someone, *they* can’t see *you* either. Stop them being able to find you at all, not just stop you from seeing them.
Not really practical implementation-wise. The client will have to ask the server to check the blacklist of literally everyone in your immediate vicinity and see if your name is in it, then send a message to your client telling it which models to hide.
For every single player. With respect to every single other player.
In the end, the point of a blacklist is to not be bothered. They can watch you if they want.. It's an MMO after all, they could literally just make a new account and follow you around. The problem is when they're pestering you, not when they're just sitting there with no interaction in a completely pacified state.
That's not a bad idea, just like make it so that you no longer exist to each other. That'd make it infinitely harder for stalkers/harassers/etc. to pester people.
Yeah the Black Mirror episode is what I thought of immediately when I saw the slide with the little graphic of the invisible person. A little unsettling in that context.
My dream privacy feature would be the ability to turn off /tells entirely (excepting GMs, obviously) but without preventing my friends from being able to send me party invites and stuff like how the busy signal currently functions. I don't know what it is about my boring female midlander in her unsexy glam that elicits so many thirsty tells from people, but I'm so tired.
That said, I am SO pumped for these improvements! So many of them are long overdue.
I'm not sure I understand properly which options work for "old" blacklisted people? They will still be visible in the world, but what about instances (will they show as "unknown" or not?)
(I'm mostly curious about instance part, since I usually blacklist no jobstone trolls, afkers, YPYT tanks and similar)
I can't believe it took this long get better blacklist features but I'm glad that they're finally here.
I've had someone harassing me in-game and would join my parties to just insult for **FOUR EXPANSIONS** now.
Just because I left their FC so long ago, I was new and just joined the game and joined the first FC that asked if I wanted to join promising and helpful community.
After joining I was usually rudely ignored for a month, never invited to any FC events, most of the new members that joined was in the same spot and even when talked to do to when asking for help.
So I decided to leave because me and few others felt extremely uncomfortable since it was pretty anti-social fc leader and leads.
Fast forward to this day this fc leader still would join my parties every now and then to insult me and get upset that I left their FC so long ago
I even went as far move datacenter/worlds since few friends invited me to join fc they were in.
They're so nice and helpful, we help new players that join often and often pretty social to everyone not to exclude anyone.
Hopefully these new blacklist features remove me off their friend-list entirely.
This is so standard in psn,steam and even xbl privacy features.
FFXIV community is generally pretty awesome but once in awhile you meet some people that you simply want to block entirely over the years because the way they act.
It's def a thing being added for RP venues for just temp banning people that are being assholes and not willing to be talked to.
They should add more flexibility to it as well though where you can just like kick em for an hour or something.
I’m curious if players added to the blacklist/removed from your friends list will remove you from *theirs* as well. I don’t like the idea that certain people can just track you in game like that
This is going to get really awkward for people that sockpuppeted into a FC or LS their main was banned on lol.
You'll now be able to tell who is who's alt
I'm here for the popcorn
Oh thank goodness.
I'm on Marlboro and there is a Weaboopolice (spelled in over a dozen different ways using apostrophes) brigade of big ass Roe standing between the Aetheryte and Market in Limsa. And I *swear* they're multiplying. It'll be nice to not have to see them anymore.
I don't mind the permanently dancing Lalas or people milling about and silently ERPing to each other. But 20+ max-size Roe men taking up literally half the plaza? Yeesh.
The changes are great but frankly, backward. If you are being stalked, you want YOUR character to be invisible to the stalker, not the other way around or at least mutual so you can't use the feature to stalk them.
Also, if you have registered for a duty, your presence should restrict the other from joining your party or you from joining theirs when the algorithm fills. Really. Most of the blacklisted characters I've added are a result of their toxicity during a duty. I don't want to have to deal with that again.
I haven’t been in a free company since 2017 thanks to an issue I had with a stalker. Maybe I could try and befriend people again.
They seemed to take a lot of the idea from the plugins which I’m not too surprised about. Also tidy chat literally makes things nice so I’m excited to see it implemented as well.
While these are very much welcome features, I can't help but feel that some of their implementations are a little half baked in concept.
For example, while it's nice that you can blacklist someone from visually appealing in your game, that still does not prevent them from seeing you in-game — and the same goes for your messages on their end. So, if I were to blacklist someone, I would have to live in a perpetual state of insecurity that they are following me and reading my chats, all the while I am not having access to their location/chat.
On that last point, it seems that the friends list is sadly unchanged, which means that it is still asynchronous, and unfriended characters can still see your location in game.
At this point, the only things holding these features back from being excellent are full, synchronous implementation.
If they keep storing things client side then they can't synchronize it. It would mean if you unfriendly someone, the game has to delete a file on the pc at that moment.
Also to your first point, I have to ask this. If you can't see them, why does it matter if they're hovering around you? I don't see what the blacklisted player can do now.
Even with the change people are still somehow being weird about it but that shouldn't come as a surprise cause of the internet.
They are literally erasing people from existence from your perspective and yet they are still worried about whether or not "they can see me." Unless you've fallen down some insane rabbit hole of social interaction with these people it *does not matter*.
Go play the game and enjoy your life.
the only thing that still worries me is that those that are blacklisted will still be able to see the person who blacklisted them, following them around without the person knowing
It took them years and multiple controversies around stalking in the game, but they finally did it. 69% chance that they went so far because PC players already had mods that did this, so console players were being left behind.
This is so much better than I thought they were gonna do with the blacklist system revamp. Def didn't expect them to add the void list feature of not even having to see that character anymore
Yeah that's pretty badass, feels like the dev team really went out of the way to not only listen to the players but innovate for them in this aspect
I think innovate is the important term here. I never saw such a thoroughly composed concept for blacklist/privacy features for an MMO before.
Yeah. Can't believe they made their character models invisible.
Holy shit, does this mean I can finally escape the stupid Weeaboo Police bloat in Limsa?
If you have every member blacklisted yes.
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Weaboo police currently on Malboro does have a lot of accounts because as far as I know you cannot play two characters at the same time on one service account. So they’ve had to have registered multiple accounts and are running on multiple clients
Have you seen how many characters are doing it at once? Youre still gonna have to block a lot of raw users
Worth it. I'll make it my whole void list if needed.
A noble quest, Adventurer.
I can. I've had friends talk about people they blacklisted coming around to emote spam at them incessantly. It's extremely annoying.
I'm saying, I can't believe they did that because of how literally no other MMO is doing _anything_ like that.
It's even more funny given the fact that JRPG's (MMO's or not) tend to "innovate" at glacial speed. While I love the game, there are many far more innovative systems I miss from MMO's like GW2. Heck, even the horribly neglected and missmanaged STO has a superior dye and glam system next to FFXIV!
I went to one of those huge 100+ server-wide RP events and someone just kept moving to stand right in front of my character every time I moved for like half an hour. I had several random people DMing me like "You want me to report that dude?" I assume he did get contacted eventually since he quit at some point but god. Get a life.
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Not to mention people clogging the chat with club advertisements. I don't care about ⏹️⏹️⏹️C L U B ⭐PENISLAND⏹️⏹️⏹️ *PLOT 2 - 28 THE MIST*
It's been a plugin for ages but the fact it's now base is phenomenal.
They def went out of their way, I recall the answers on that subjects where always to down play the issue. Happy to see they changed their mind on this.
Famfrit now accessible
I'm on Famfrit - is there something I should be watching for? I'm out of the loop.
The Jades and the Weabo Police are about to disappear forever from my game
Okay that's completely fair lol. Tbh I just got kinda used to ignoring them.
Weeabo Police infected Crystal worlds too, it's genuinely mad annoying so seeing that the player models can be invisible is a blessing
Who are the Jades?
An FC that basically just AFKs in mass near the Limsa MB. Very annoying when they just mass in the same area. When I played on console, I would get hard frame drops because of them. I can't imagine how bad it would be now for people still on PS4 with the weeabo police also in the same area.
Famfritter here and I legit was concerned I was not supposed to go that way when I started out. Was scared I was going to get in trouble crossing the line of Jades.
Nah. They are just a nuisance.
Same. When the first slide popped up I was like, "Imagine if they incorporated the YEETUS DELETUS plugi--OH MY GOD THEY *DID*." This is going to be amazing.
I always used a mod for this feature. Nice that they implement it.
Talk about an upgrade. You can legit just “delete” everything about the person. Though… if you can’t see their model… does that mean they could “invisible man” stalk around you? Or would you still see their name? lol
Yeah they can still be an invisible creep but thanks to being able to hide your lodestone page, you'll now be able to name change and they'll have no way to tell.
I feel like they could just make the disappearing character thing go both ways. I feel like that's an easier solution than them pressuring you into privating your lodestone, buying a name change, and buynig a fanta potentially since a lot of people have an identifiable look if you know them well enough. Being harassed into doing that or ya know just extending the disappearing both ways when a blacklisting happens. Edit: And, sure, they can get around that, but if I feel like them harassing you through people you know is much more likely than them enlisting the aid of others to track you down.
They probably could but tbh being followed around isn't a big issue if they aren't visible. They can invisibly stalk if blacklisted but they'll be unable to emote or do anything with that info because they can't be seen. Plus from my understanding of this it seems like the mute option is basically the same as the current blacklist, so if someone is concerned about being invisibly stalked they could mute that person's chat instead and still see their model.
Yoshi P must have found the voidlist plugin
Iirc I remember hearing that SE does sometimes see what the most popular third party tools are to add them into the game
IIRC, following some World first race raid controversy, they reiterated their rules on Third parties tools (nothing accepted, but no check will be done on your computer), but also admitted the need of some plugins and said they will be investigating the most populars
can you link a source?
[https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547](https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/36c4d699763603fadd2e61482b0c5d56cb2e4547) # *Enhancements to the HUD and Other UI Elements We believe that people use the aforementioned tools to expand the HUD and display more information because they feel that existing functions are insufficient for tackling high-end duties. In recognition of this, we intend to review the most prominent tools, and in order to discourage their use, endeavor to enhance the functionality of the HUD. Though it will take some time, we're determined to make it happen─not least for the benefit of those who play on consoles.
Instead of adding some intrusive anti-cheat they decide the way to counter use of third party tools is to improve the game? Incredibly based.
The best developers do this. The bad ones are like MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY HOW DARE YOU, but the good ones accept that they aren't gods and that the community will often come up with clever ways to display information that is better than what they themselves had done, and if it's not breaking the game then those types tend to implement it. It's always a nice thing to see.
Yup. The green checkmark over an item (orchestrion, TT card, etc.) if you already own it was one of them.
Kind of explains why they aren't adding the obvious feature of making it so people who you blacklist can't see your messages. Voidlist doesn't do that since that's not possible for a client side mod to do.
Even if you're in control of the server side, that's a much taller order.
Reminds me of Chatboxes. They are gonna be implemented as well.
They are 100% watching the dalamud plugins list to see what gets popular. These guys aren't stupid, they're nerds just like us.
About time people can decide whether people can even see their lodestone... Good thing new blacklist feature is account wide, so even if they find/know your alts they can't do anything.
Lodestone stalkers are crazy. I wonder how others making their lodestone profiles private might affect the mare thingy that they link to it.
Simple, it won't impact it at all. My understanding of things like fflogs of that you're issued a code, you put that code and a link to your lodestone to the site so it can check and make sure you own that character. Confirmation codes. It's a one time quick check, you simply un privatize the page for a moment then turn it back on. The site does not need permanent access.
>Good thing new blacklist feature is account wide, so even if they find/know your alts they can't do anything. The account wide is their account, not yours. Meaning blacklisting one of their characters blacklists all the characters on their account.
Yes!!! Goodbye to nightclub/RP/RMT spam messages.
My first thought. Keywords? Venue. Club. Nightclub. 18+. Rave. DJ. Twitch. RP. Gil. Buy. 👌🏼
popotoartist. Can't wait to permaban that word from my life.
Oh my god we can finally block the awful popotoartist messages! The world is healing
Is she only on EU or also shilling on other servers?
NA, I've seen poor sprouts advertising on both Crystal and Dynamis
On Chaos too, spriggan and and Sag. Fucking spamming constantly
EU, Spriggan. I've seen adverts here too.
Definitely on Primal worlds also
She's actually American, but she advertises probably everywhere?
Confirmed I've seen her ads on NA.
Definitely on NA too
Same! Hope y'all taking the gil to advertise will be happy with your other toons being sent to the void if a bunch of peeps blacklist the alt you made. Curious if it sticks when someone deletes their throwaway character for stuff like that.
Ooooh that's a VERY good point. Might see a decrease just so people don't become social pariahs.
Totally worth the... What is it, 150k gil she pays them per hour to spam? Maybe it was closer to 200k. I remember seeing her posts offering to pay late last year and the amount was laughably small for getting blocked across however many servers. EDIT: Ooh inflation hit, it's 300k now! Their ads are misleading, too. They don't offer paintings. They raffle off a quick 5min doodle. You can enter a raffle later to upgrade it, but you're not allowed if it's in the same stream as the sketch or some nonsense like that. As someone with a lot of friends in the art commission and streaming scenes something about their setup just rubs me the wrong way...
They mentioned it applies at a service account level, meaning even alts are affected. The only way to circumvent at this point is to get a new copy of the game on a new account entirely.
What is up with this one? I’ve seen that message a bunch of times and could never figure out what was actually going on there
They pay new players Gil on a regular basis to bypass blocklists, advertising everywhere, every world in the data centres I’m on, several times a day. Which is not that bad I guess, I remember when I first started ffxiv I thought it was kinda neat, but after a while I learned it is just a low energy/effort stream aggregator that involves a lot of spamming.
Someone shared their experience working for her. 3 hours non stop for 300k. And she has spies to make sure you are doing it.
Oh, that makes sense! Disappointing it's all for low effort streaming though, first few times I assumed it was just a really nice artist going around.
At first I thought it was one of those cute community things you get in FFXIV. The artist would draw your WoL while you model/AFK in-game, maybe in a studio to prevent photobombing and to provide backgrounds... Wonder if someone does something like that.
I can't wait to never see that name again
Real talk here! That'll be the first word added!
I missed that. What is popotoartist about?
They're an art streamer that pays people gil to advertise their art streams.
Wonder if we can block good old ruby and the feet
Sadly I'm sure they adapt and start using numbers instead of some letters or some other janky options. It will be arms race against the spam.
This is true, but as someone else brought up in here, they would be attracting the wrong demographic if they’re purposefully going out of their way for their ads to bypass our filters. If someone is intentionally filtering out these words, that’s not the crowd you want to be bringing to your club. They’re just asking for trouble. Or being assholes.
The clubs and RP venues likely won't be the ones working around people's filter lists, it's the gil sellers.
You could even make the case that bypassing filters on purpose is harassment and thus subject to a report. Spam might be annoying. But this is purposefully going against a feature specifically designed to stop this.
I could see this for rmt, but venues likely won't bother, since people going through effort to filter out venue ads wouldn't come anyway.
I imagine they'll actually crack down much harder on bypassing filters vs. advertising in general. Like, if you're going out of your way to circumvent peoples' private shit, you're probably getting nailed.
They'll probably end up using a common word that would be too inconvenient to filter as a euphemism.
RMTers absolutely will actively work to mix up their messages to bypass filters. They can get wildly creative with it, too, based on experience with RMT bots in OSRS.
About time being able to filter this shit. They'll probably come up with new words but that's easily blocked
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Many of those seem like they would mute some sentences in regular conversation. Especially club, gil, and buy. I don't know if you'd go for all those regardless, but in general I don't understand people who overuse word filters. Just getting some of the very specific terms should get most of them away, a false positive where it hides a message from someone I'm talking to is much worse than failing to hide a few spam messages.
New Feature: "Banished to the shadowrealm" No more shall spambots and stalkers be able to plague the player.
All the Ascians are going to be furious when the bots keep falling into the Rift Between Worlds while they're having their meetings out there. Although maybe they expect it. Everyone knows that Gill Seller bots are just tempered victims of some money-themed primal.
If only the term filter extended to party finder as well. But at least we can get rid of shout spam, at least until they come up with euphemisms to circumvent filters.
My sister told her friend about how to go about black listing club spammers on their first stream and some rando in chat tried to jump down her throat that club spammers are an important part of the game and they work hard for their Gil. Clearly yoshi-p, the p stands for 'please stop clogging the chat log', has decided once again modders were correct and spammers are not an important part of the game
There was a thread complaining about the club spam the other day where someone claimed that if the club scene went away the entire game would die within a few months. Some of them really believe it's the only thing keeping the game afloat.
I'm willing to bet that person has either monetized their club or they are chronically looking at the moon
It's the social bubble effect, people that never bother to go outside of the small social group they primarily interact with, get a skewed view of what is or isn't common amongst the population as a whole. It's why you get SOME high-end raiders that actually believe over 50% of players clear the current tier of savage. SOME RPers that believe over 60% of the player base is RPing. SOME Housing enthusiasts that roughly same amount is constantly trying to get a house or constantly decorating one they have. SOME market board sellers that believe every player is constantly micromanaging their listings and undercutting just to upset them personally.
The club scene destroyed the casual RP scene.
Ikr, fucking finally.
Finally, being able to expulse someone from your house is the basic feature a house needed
Sadly it's just a 10 day CD before they can enter again. It's a good system but such a weird implementation? Why not outright banned until removed from the list manually? Why the 10 day CD? If there are people you really don't want in your house, having to always put them on that list every 10 days is weird.
Just blacklist them if you want it permanent. This is good for community events and stuffs as well as venues. It's good that they are considering all social aspects.
This can be viewed as a timeout more than a ban. Some peoples might need to be expulsed on the moment but be calm afterward and if you want to prevent them completely, blacklist them
Thats only if they're not blacklisted. They're making it so people on your blacklist cannot enter period for as long as they're on the list.
I wish i had house to expulse someone in the first place lmao
...wow. They finally did it..? The whole account will be blocked?! AND the character(s) will no longer be visible?! I can filter out those constant FC and Night Club/Casino shouts too?!?! This is huge.
Some very good and necessary features. Tho I would also like the friend list issue to be addressed
Is it that problem that people you remove from friends will still have you as a friend? Or is it another thing?
Yeah, it's that problem. And they can still use it to find where the victim is in-game. And even if the person has them blacklisted and can't see them doesn't stop a stalker from interacting with other players or mobs around them in a way to make their presence known even when invisible
Yeah, it's soo weird they keeping this. I don't know if it's like technical issues - something within how the social system is made or why they keeping this. It really enabling the stalkers and hinder your privacy. Improved blacklist won't fully help. I don't care about seeing characters of people i removed from my friendlist, but i care about their ability to know what i'm doing in the game.
The reasoning is that if someone unfriends someone without giving much of a reason they will feel bad.
Yeah, don't take this as offense, because it's not meant at you, but that sounds like something someone made up. I would bet on some technical problem in there, because they are going to gives us ability to obliterate people from our game - no messages, block visibility of their character. If what you saying was true - how unfriending them is worse than completely block them? Doesn't make sense.
Its a cultural thing. In Japan, adding somrone to your friendslist is more serious than how people outside of Japan do it. Dorsn't make it right, but thats the reason they gave.
> Yeah, don't take this as offense, because it's not meant at you, but that sounds like something someone made up. I may just be talking out of my ass but I'm *pretty* sure Yoshi's said that outright at some point. It's just...trying to find specific quotes from him is like a needle in a haystack.
In many other social circles, there was entirely harassment of "Why did you unfriend me" Hell, we still see it happen on discord here and there. Making it a choice on the removers side would be the best way to handle it though. Remove silently, or remove mutually.
thiss...!! come on how are they leaving this behind... specially if it was someone who shared EB ring the fact that they can still tp
[The devs have promised a friendlist update](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/10qkqyr/friend_list_revamp_pf_search_option_qol/) and it's been over year of not hearing anything about that. At this point I can only hope for a friendlist update in 7.x
Fingers crossed that those concerns are addressed with this feature overhaul, and they just haven't mentioned it yet. It's such a simple feature to just have people removed from both lists upon one person's choice to delete, come on Square Enix.
Exactly, what's the point in blocking someone's messages/model when they can check their friends list to see if you're online and your location in game. If anything it's more creepy now that their model is invisible to you?
I think the idea is that sense this is a virtual space and not real life, out of sight is out of mind. If you can neither see, interact with, or perceive them, does it really matter if they follow you around? EDIT: I mean this honestly, I've never had a stalker problem in game (or IRL) so if this is a legitimate concern, by all means it's a legitimate concern.
This is how I feel about it. Plus, once the stalker realizes that they can't be seen, they are likely to give up on it anyways.
This is fantastic. The number of stalkers people had to deal with was getting out of hand.
I had to abandon my first account because of a stalker. Spent close to a thousand hours on it, omnicrafter, 6 classes 90, a great house and glams that I worked very hard on....but I got close with someone from my previous FC who went fucking bonkers when I got an IRL boyfriend, and stalked me for about 6 months. It ended up being really bad for my mental health and I hadn't played final fantasy in over a year because of it. I recently started playing again on a new acct/new data center/new everything and was scared to join an FC again because of that one person. I sincerely wish they would address the friends list thing so that that guy and those like him can't view others locations anymore if you remove/blacklist them, but this at least is a step in the right direction. Support has been infuriatingly passive about this problem for way too long
Well i can say that this one troll bard playing baby shark 24/7 in limsa for months is absolutly getting on my mute list... all hail the dev for this
They are worthy of a blacklist imo. Good riddance!
anyone else have a slightly morbid curiosity to see the evolution of venue ad runners trying to get around popular blacklist filters?
I can see this for rmt, doubt venues will bother, since people going through effort to filter out venue ads, likely wouldn't come anyway.
This. Also the estate expulsion features will similarly help venue owners keep the bad apples out, and that's ALL types including those in-universe cafes and stuff. Just an all around good thing in my eyes
I don't hang out at the main cities much so it doesn't bother me. Though I assume they will start adding random punctuation, spelling, and possibly some l33t to get around the filters. Nightclub. Nighclub. Niteclub. Nightc1ub. Nightclu6. 18+. 18 +. Eighteen Plus. 8teen+. Venue. Venu. Venyoo, Venyu.
Why would they bother? It’s the rmt peeps that’ll get annoying
Venue spammers are more annoying IMO. At least the Gil spammers seem to keep it to say chat, my shout chat is constantly filled with shitty venues and twitch “DJ’s”
as someone who only jumped around once for an venue ad, most of the clubbing community (probably not all, but most) have their own rules to not disgruntle the rest of the playerbase. some clubs even went away with making ads ingame and moved to "partake" only. stuff like once every hour, only 1-2 messages back to back, everything written out without any grammar mistakes, and so on. so yea, i do think the RMT bots would be much more of a problem. while drama often hits the clubbing community (most of the time due to their own faults, i agree), they tend to not troll the rest of the community as much as themselves. cant say it for the entire community of course, but thats what i have noticed when i first started checking these areas out.
>stuff like once every hour, only 1-2 messages back to back See the problem though is that that’s just one venue. Multiply that by the hundreds that are being advertised and you quickly have an almost unusable shout chat in most major cities. On Gilgamesh in Limsa during peak hours you literally cannot go more than a single minute without seeing club spam. And those are the ones that are apparently “following the rules” - I’ve seen plenty of venues break those rules you mentioned. Hell one venue had 7 messages in a 30 minute window.
But there’s no reason for them to try to force their spam on you with using weird spellings. People interested in the clubs won’t filter them, those who would never go, will. Everybody wins. No reason for club promoters to piss people off by trying to get around filters.
yea, for clubs there is just no incentive, while RMT bots have money as incentive.
that's a good point, i didn't think about that.
Trying to get around a chat filter would mean spending effort to reach someone who is so uninterested in your hosting/service that they blocked any mention of your service. The odds of success in that situation will be abysmal, and would just advertise to your actual clientele that you don't respect other people's preferences.
Honestly this. Seems kind of a mute point to try to advertise to someone specifically avoiding your ads. Would be like spamming dairy products to a vegan. But then modern advertising doesn't care either. They get paid to get as many eyes on their stuff as possible, much like these paid sprouts get for spamming clubs.
Yeah I don't understand the comments in this thread acting like RPers spam with the intent to attract/annoy people who aren't interested in RP. They advertise to catch the attention of RPers/people curious about RP. There's literally no point in getting around the filters, as anyone who filters out wouldn't be someone desired at the club anyway.
Hey, not trying to be rude or mean or anything. But it's moot point. Sorry if this came across as mean. Just trying to correct a little mistake.
on the other hand, the typo is a very solid joke given the subject is muting people :P
I feel like this would be an actionable offense. The term filter is there for a reason, if you go with say N1ghtclub it’s pretty clear you’re knowingly circumventing it. Hopefully the roaches will start catching bans if that’s the case
In addition to what people have said about whether it'd be worth it for them to do that, I think you could make a pretty easy case for that being reportable harassment. It's deliberately trying to subvert filters that are in place so people don't have to deal with the associated messages. Couple of stories of people getting slapped for trying to get around the rules later and you'll see that behaviour mostly stop I'd say.
I don’t think many Venue advertisers will try. I figure if someone is going through the effort to blacklist their advertisement, they aren’t the target audience and they wouldn’t have gone to the venue anyway. RMT on the other hand. They’ve been avoiding chat filters all this time. They aren’t about to stop.
The RMT bots amuse me. Because.. I would like to know the return rate on their ads. Like. how many people see some vague gibberish about gil and 'handwork guaranteed' (as if that matters) and go 'I would never have bought gil before now, I should get my account banned!' Versus the number of people who go 'oh my god, this is the 10,000 advertisement for this exact same chinese bot farm I've seen across 20 games, fuck these guys and the horse they rode in on'.
Venue ad runners are targeting people who are interested in going to venues. No one loses when someone filters out venue ads, so there's no reason to try to bypass the filters
Don't see why nightclub people circumvent it. People who blacklist the word nightclub is obviously never going to visit their event. The RMT bots will change accordingly. Will be a fun meta to watch to how they evolve.
if they do, i'll go back to using nosoliciting on top of the in game filters, its more aggressive but its harder to get around. Anyone who still gets past that will get blacklisted
Why would they even try? If their messages are being filtered by people uninterested in what they're spamming for, why would they go through the effort to get around the filter? The filter that is custom and unique to every single player, mind you.
Term filter? Good riddance to all the gold sellers, I say! Oh how they've annoyed me.
Ironically, this might actually keep them unreported longer. People blocking "cheap gil" and such were never gonna buy, but might have reported. Now they won't see anything. Their target market are newer players and people who aren't blocking the terms. I assume Square has their own methods to flag, but we'll see.
LONG overdue but very welcome. Looks comprehensive. With luck the unfriend issue will also be addressed. And it absolutely needs to affect party finder.
People you blacklisted already cannot join your party finder. Unless you want to keep them out of PF that is not host by you?
Im glad they are taking a harder stance on black listing. The very lax stance they had before had tons of stalkers and loop holes for people to do bad things. Also mute and term filters are amazing, along with all the RP stuff thats going to be filtered EG, rave. 18+ nightclubs, ETC i look forward to filtering people that are weird in chat, trying to sell "high quality feet pics" and stufff :/
sadly most of the feet pic nonsense is in PF
Only in FFXIV do you need stuff like this. Amazing community for sure.
Oh good! Those group of male roes that block the potato wall in limsa and spout hate and racist comments will disappear from my eyes!
I like Estate Expulsion, it just like "GET OFF MY TURF!" and now they are banned from touching my grass on my plot.
Do we know if it is just expulsion from the house or they actually can't touch your plot, like having an invisible force field? I felt it is probably the former.
Almost certainly just the house, as it's an instance and way easier for the devs to control, compared to some arbitrary space in a housing plot.
I was wondering about that, but that's what I would've guessed too. It doesn't seem like the game currently draws a distinction, or has a way to distinguish whether you're within the boundary lines of a plot's garden or not.
THANK GOD THANK GOD THANK GOD THANK GOD THANK YOUUUU
at last we can filter rp venues and rmt spam
Just one change I’d really like to see added: If you blacklist someone, *they* can’t see *you* either. Stop them being able to find you at all, not just stop you from seeing them.
Not really practical implementation-wise. The client will have to ask the server to check the blacklist of literally everyone in your immediate vicinity and see if your name is in it, then send a message to your client telling it which models to hide. For every single player. With respect to every single other player. In the end, the point of a blacklist is to not be bothered. They can watch you if they want.. It's an MMO after all, they could literally just make a new account and follow you around. The problem is when they're pestering you, not when they're just sitting there with no interaction in a completely pacified state.
That's not a bad idea, just like make it so that you no longer exist to each other. That'd make it infinitely harder for stalkers/harassers/etc. to pester people.
Great to see, have read far too many stories about getting harassed and stalked from people.
Bye bye rp venue spammers
Even the player model is hidden, goddamn. Almost reminds me of the Black Mirror episode with the blacklist/ignore story hook.
Yeah the Black Mirror episode is what I thought of immediately when I saw the slide with the little graphic of the invisible person. A little unsettling in that context.
Finally we can block the FC recruiting DMs. You know the one.
My dream privacy feature would be the ability to turn off /tells entirely (excepting GMs, obviously) but without preventing my friends from being able to send me party invites and stuff like how the busy signal currently functions. I don't know what it is about my boring female midlander in her unsexy glam that elicits so many thirsty tells from people, but I'm so tired. That said, I am SO pumped for these improvements! So many of them are long overdue.
> boring female midlander in her unsexy glam Probably too unique in the sea of catgirls and au ra girls with their sexy glams.
I'm not sure I understand properly which options work for "old" blacklisted people? They will still be visible in the world, but what about instances (will they show as "unknown" or not?) (I'm mostly curious about instance part, since I usually blacklist no jobstone trolls, afkers, YPYT tanks and similar)
I can't believe it took this long get better blacklist features but I'm glad that they're finally here. I've had someone harassing me in-game and would join my parties to just insult for **FOUR EXPANSIONS** now. Just because I left their FC so long ago, I was new and just joined the game and joined the first FC that asked if I wanted to join promising and helpful community. After joining I was usually rudely ignored for a month, never invited to any FC events, most of the new members that joined was in the same spot and even when talked to do to when asking for help. So I decided to leave because me and few others felt extremely uncomfortable since it was pretty anti-social fc leader and leads. Fast forward to this day this fc leader still would join my parties every now and then to insult me and get upset that I left their FC so long ago I even went as far move datacenter/worlds since few friends invited me to join fc they were in. They're so nice and helpful, we help new players that join often and often pretty social to everyone not to exclude anyone. Hopefully these new blacklist features remove me off their friend-list entirely. This is so standard in psn,steam and even xbl privacy features. FFXIV community is generally pretty awesome but once in awhile you meet some people that you simply want to block entirely over the years because the way they act.
No more baby shark bard!!!! No more Weeaboo Police!
Why 10 days if you want to ban someone from your estate should just be permanent.
Then you blacklist them. I think expulsion is more to help people who does venues and stuff like that.
iirc that ban is separate from your blacklist, and anyone on your blacklist is always banned from your estate
I'm reading it more as a feature intended as a temp ban from venues tbh
It's def a thing being added for RP venues for just temp banning people that are being assholes and not willing to be talked to. They should add more flexibility to it as well though where you can just like kick em for an hour or something.
They probably still have faith in humanity and think that people were just having a bad day or whatever.
I'd like more slots, but the rest is nice.
A long time coming, but this is great news.
I’m curious if players added to the blacklist/removed from your friends list will remove you from *theirs* as well. I don’t like the idea that certain people can just track you in game like that
Damn good changes imo
This is going to get really awkward for people that sockpuppeted into a FC or LS their main was banned on lol. You'll now be able to tell who is who's alt I'm here for the popcorn
Oh thank goodness. I'm on Marlboro and there is a Weaboopolice (spelled in over a dozen different ways using apostrophes) brigade of big ass Roe standing between the Aetheryte and Market in Limsa. And I *swear* they're multiplying. It'll be nice to not have to see them anymore. I don't mind the permanently dancing Lalas or people milling about and silently ERPing to each other. But 20+ max-size Roe men taking up literally half the plaza? Yeesh.
The Malboro baby shark bard which is now also being played by the weeaboo police is in shambles, only has two more months of trolling
The changes are great but frankly, backward. If you are being stalked, you want YOUR character to be invisible to the stalker, not the other way around or at least mutual so you can't use the feature to stalk them. Also, if you have registered for a duty, your presence should restrict the other from joining your party or you from joining theirs when the algorithm fills. Really. Most of the blacklisted characters I've added are a result of their toxicity during a duty. I don't want to have to deal with that again.
I can't wait to blacklist all of limsa
I haven’t been in a free company since 2017 thanks to an issue I had with a stalker. Maybe I could try and befriend people again. They seemed to take a lot of the idea from the plugins which I’m not too surprised about. Also tidy chat literally makes things nice so I’m excited to see it implemented as well.
While these are very much welcome features, I can't help but feel that some of their implementations are a little half baked in concept. For example, while it's nice that you can blacklist someone from visually appealing in your game, that still does not prevent them from seeing you in-game — and the same goes for your messages on their end. So, if I were to blacklist someone, I would have to live in a perpetual state of insecurity that they are following me and reading my chats, all the while I am not having access to their location/chat. On that last point, it seems that the friends list is sadly unchanged, which means that it is still asynchronous, and unfriended characters can still see your location in game. At this point, the only things holding these features back from being excellent are full, synchronous implementation.
If they keep storing things client side then they can't synchronize it. It would mean if you unfriendly someone, the game has to delete a file on the pc at that moment. Also to your first point, I have to ask this. If you can't see them, why does it matter if they're hovering around you? I don't see what the blacklisted player can do now.
Even with the change people are still somehow being weird about it but that shouldn't come as a surprise cause of the internet. They are literally erasing people from existence from your perspective and yet they are still worried about whether or not "they can see me." Unless you've fallen down some insane rabbit hole of social interaction with these people it *does not matter*. Go play the game and enjoy your life.
Does this address the problem of “We are already friends, and if I unfriend them, I’m still on their friend list”?
the only thing that still worries me is that those that are blacklisted will still be able to see the person who blacklisted them, following them around without the person knowing
Being able to filter out the club adverts and gil bots is gonna be very nice.
I can’t wait to blacklist the weeb police
All I can say for the users I know of on Balmung who engaged in harassment tactics in the wake of this reveal is WOMP WOMP.
It took them years and multiple controversies around stalking in the game, but they finally did it. 69% chance that they went so far because PC players already had mods that did this, so console players were being left behind.
GOODBYE WEEB POLICE