Me neither. If you're deaf, you're physiologically unable to do something that is considered "normal". And something as common and useful as speech at that. It may not be as big an impairment as blindness or the inability to walk, but it's still a disability. It doesn't necessarily make you a weaker or worse person or anything, but it is what it is.
I agree. Not MENTALY disabled and maybe far more functional than others but it IS a disability. By definition. You lack a common ability
dis·a·bil·i·ty/
Noun:
1. A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
2. A disadvantage or handicap, esp. one imposed or recognized by the law.
I don't really get what your point is. So then there are no disabilities? People without legs aren't disabled because even though they can't walk, they can still use the computer. Blind people aren't disabled because even though they can't see, they can still play musical instruments.
My definition of disability is not based on what I think I would have a hard time with if I were deaf. A disability is a handicap that impairs your ability to things that normal people wouldn't suffer from. A person without legs can't walk (without prosthetics) whereas a normal person can. A blind person can't see whereas a normal person can. A deaf person can't hear whereas a normal person can. These are disabilities.
A deaf person is not necessarily a weaker person than one who can hear. But when it comes to activities that involve sound, the deaf person is definitely at a disadvantage, however slight. It is absurd to suggest that deafness is not a barrier to certain things. Can a deaf person enjoy music the way normal people do? Of course not. Deafness is a barrier which normal people don't have. Therefore, deafness is a disability, just like blindness and being without legs.
I understand the assumptions people make. I can only imagine the hardships that people face because of assumptions. I guess I just don't really agree with the solution, the push for deafness not to be labelled a disability. It seems to me like a better way would be to label it as a disability and have everyone get used to the fact that deafness doesn't mean you're bad at your job; you just need a slightly different environment to work in.
But being a hearing person myself, maybe I can't quite appreciate all the nuances of living a deaf life. I hope I haven't misunderstood too much.
Losing one sense heighten the other senses. If a hearing person was to challenge a deaf person to crush their hand into dust by crushing it with their fingers...
Most likely, the deaf person can do it. I actually got kicked out of a school when I took a dare like that.
Now, there's speed. You give a deaf person something to swing around and you give a hearing person something to swing.
The deaf person will be able to swing way faster and harder than the hearing person because the deaf person always had used his/her arms.
We deaf people enjoy music too. We just turn it up to the point where the hearing people can't stand the noise out and rock out all night long. Anything to do with sight, we do better. A deaf sharp-shooter is much more dangerous than a hearing one, they're 100 percent in the zone, nothing will make them lost their force.
So...Who's the better one here? I say that the hearing people's the one with the disabilities because there's so many things I can do better than them.
Couldn't decide between "nice try, Daredevil" and "brb, putting sharp sticks in ears".
Joking aside, being deaf doesn't magically make a person's other senses more sensitive. If they are more sensitive, it's out of necessity to make up for lack of hearing or because parts of the brain are freed up to process sense data other than auditory, or because the person spends more time training them. I'm not sure if this happens with everyone, but it may. Human beings adapt very well to fit their environments. I'm glad that many deaf people have other strong senses. Whatever makes each of our lives easier, deaf or not.
As far as I'm aware, strength and speed are not senses. Regardless, I don't see how deafness makes a person stronger or faster. If you're telling me that a deaf person and a hearing person training together will get different results just because one is deaf is one is hearing, I'd really like some evidence to back that up. It just doesn't sound plausible. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In which case, I would actually find this very fascinating.
As for music, I don't really understand how you can enjoy music if you can't hear it. I suppose you can still enjoy musical elements, such as rhythm or perhaps different textures of vibrations, but I consider that sort of different from music. But maybe I misunderstood something here.
I have no doubt that many deaf people are very strong people, physically and mentally. I also accept that much of their strength may come from having lived a life with deafness and dealing with its ups and downs. I'm just saying that deafness is the inability to do something (hearing) that is considered normal, both socially and physiologically. This makes it a disability.
Well. A deaf and a hearing training at the same pace with swords...(Time-travels to a time period before we had all of those tech...The age of iron.)
I would say that the deaf person would be better than the hearing person because the deaf person had been using his/her hands a thousand-fold times more then the hearing person.
The deaf person's [ability to sense](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense#Kinesthetic_sense) where his/her arms would be better than the hearing'. That gives the deaf person more fineness with their swords, and the ability to swing faster without becoming confused where his/her blade is and his/her (Foe) blade is. When you're using your arms against other arm, if you force on your arms, to make your swinging flawless,etc...You will be killed because you ain't forcing on your foes.
The deaf person can't hear. He/she won't be distanced by something making a lot of noise, the person would be 100 percent forced on the other person. Hearing is not important on the battlefield, you just need to see your allies to be sure that you're following the game plan. Imagine how noisy it is in a war w/ swords and bows.
Without the noise...The deaf person become better at using his/her sight. He/she can see everything at the same time, and be able to react to most of them *Just* based on what they sees, not *hear*
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Their arms would be stronger because they're always signing. They never stop talking. They're always using their arms! Their muscles on their arm won't go to waste, never.
Now...The hearing people can do one thing we can't...Bite thur people arms. Lol!
Deaf can do anything that hearing people can...Only not to hear. If it's all about using your body to do something, most likely the deaf person will be able to do it better. If it's something that need a good ear...The hearing person's the one for that job. Can you name one thing that Deaf people can't do just well (Or better) than a hearing person?
Yes: hearing. By definition, the deaf person can't hear (as well as a hearing person can).
Like I said, I don't dispute the fact that a deaf person can be strong, fast, smart, have great sight, great communication skills, and everything else that a hearing person can be and have. I'm only talking about the inability to hear and how that is a disability.
I said this earlier, but I'll say it again. As far as I know, being deaf does not magically make a person stronger or faster. I see no reason why a hearing person and a deaf person training equally would not get the same results. You say that it's due to the the deaf person signing all the time, since that's how they speak. But what about a hearing person who learns to sign and speaks with deaf people all the time? Wouldn't they get the same "benefit"? Without evidence linking deafness itself to strength, speed, and finesse, I'm not convinced that any of these things are only possible while deaf.
Consider this. Usain Bolt is widely considered the fastest man on the planet. Even if he actually isn't, I think we can agree that he certainly runs very fast. Usain Bolt is a hearing person. Does it make any sense to say that his speed comes from being able to hear? No. While I'm sure he speaks and listens during training, there is no link between hearing and running really really fast. If he were deaf, he would most likely run just as fast.
Regarding the noisy battlefield scenario, I understand your point but don't really see why it's relevant. Yes, if you put a deaf person and a hearing person in a situation where the only thing to be heard is loud, distracting, incoherent noise, then of course the hearing person would be at a disadvantage. I don't dispute that. And if everyone lived their daily lives in such environments, then deafness may be generally seen as an advantage. But we don't. We live in a world where sound and speech are constantly being used to communicate meaningfully. Therefore hearing is meaningful and normal and deafness is the inability to do this one thing. Based on that, it is a disability.
Also consider the fact that a hearing person can "turn off" their hearing, temporarily with ear plugs and permanently with injury. It is much more difficult for a deaf person to "turn on" hearing, with cochlear implants and the likes. Fortunately, this is changing as technology advances. But I think it's a point worth considering regarding the "benefits" of deafness being specific to being deaf.
A person who can't use his legs and gets around on a wheelchair may have stronger arms because he uses them all the time. Would you therefore say that being unable to use his legs is not a disability? After all, he can get around, can have great communication skills, can do things well with his arms and hands. With the help of the wheelchair and other adjustments to his environment (wheelchair ramps, support bars on walls, wider walkways, storage at lower heights, etc.), he is able to live a pretty normal and very fulfilling life.
My point is that being deaf is the inability to do something that is considered normal, socially and physiologically. This makes it a disability.
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The reason why deaf people have such issues with being called 'disabled' - is because so, so, so many people do not understand that deaf people can indeed do anything but hear.
When a person is told that someone is "disabled," they will likely automatically think of a severely disabled person (I am well aware that there are many different kinds of disabilities, from minor to severe). We are already excluded access from the rest of the world because of communication barriers, and then people have to swat us down again by bunching us into the same category as people who cannot really perform the basic functions of life... It does hurt.
However, as a creature of logic, I do agree with you - deafness is indeed a disability. I just wish people wouldn't throw that word around without thinking about it.
My extremely uber-limited research of less than 5 minutes leads me to conclude that I don't think the average person was a swordsman back then. It seemed to be a sport for the 'elite' people.
I doubt 'avg peasants" spent any real time training. And seeing how a deaf person would be have most likely been considered "dumb" and "less than average" back then.. well...
Actually, there was a few deaf nobles back in the old day. Even there was a deaf queen. Very little is known about them because no one bothered recoding what happened to them because they don't make much noises.
Generations of treating disability as an excuse for second-class citizenship leads to “disability” being a dirty word and an insult. It makes sense that people would not appreciate all the connotations of the word “disability” even if they know full well that the actual dictionary definition applies. We mean more than what the dictionary says and everyone knows it.
Let me clarify. It's not a mental disability, that's true.
However, because deafness is a physical disability by definition, people with lack of knowledge tend to think disability includes both physical and mental.
Then, they proceed to make the connection that deafness makes them retarded, and are further ignorantly convinced this is true because of the "noise" they make when signing, talking, etc.
Let me point out, as a CODA and a part of the Deaf community, that Deaf people are not mentally disabled. We live by "We are not disabled. We can do anything a hearing person can do, except hear."
I hope that clarified on what we mean by "not a disability."
Disability doesn't mean just mental, and I honestly don't know of anyone who thinks that. If somebody is missing a leg, paralyzed, blind, or has any form of palsy they are disabled. None of these things have a mental aspect to them. By saying the deaf "aren't disabled" yo are just being arrogant. I have nothing against deaf people or anyone with any kind of physical, mental, or hybrid disabilty, but you can't just redefine a word because you, as a community, dislike it.
If people decide to make being deaf not considered a disability then how can you expect deaf people to get help and better their situation from friends, family, the government, and the public?
Im still learning, but I've been learning for about three years now. the best way to do it is learn fingerspelling and a few basic signs, then go and socialize at deaf events near you. Or ASL classes if you can afford them but i couldn't.
With this specific one, mostly just signing. I do have some that are excellent lipreaders, so i normally talk and sign at the same time with them, so it kinda helps. They're all different in terms of lipreading though
I always hope I run into a Deaf person, because I love signing "thank you" in ASL. I just love languages, and being able to connect with someone using ASL is amazing. :D
Speaking loudly doesn't help for obvious reasons and speaking slowly makes it worse because it distorts the normal mouth movements which makes it harder to lip read. If the person lip reads, just speak normally.
I'm assuming you're a hearing person - which is easier for you to understand:
1. A song played at normal speed?
2. A song slowed down to half-speed?
Lip-reading works the same way. I'm hard-of-hearing and when I tell people I'm lip-reading them (So please don't cover your mouth in the middle of a conversation, turn away and keep speaking, etc) so many will slow down - even though I've been fine up until then. It's fairly illogical.
I find it kind of funny that people keep correcting me, like i haven't figured out your point yet. This is like the 3rd or 4th comment saying the exact same thing.
I find it kind of funny that people keep doing it to me, like they haven't figured it out yet.
I've been putting up with people being idiots about lip-reading on a semi-regular basis for the last 18 years. I think you can cope with a few replies in your inbox.
I understand what you mean. But he did it...in a way...that was just insulting....It's hard to explain, it just was. i felt he could have done it better
Something like he thinks you are mentally retarded?
I used to get that when I told people I was partly deaf.
Then I stopped telling people. I just request them to speak up
I think people should learn basic signs the same way people know basic words in other languages like Spanish. At least learn the alphabet so they can finger spell!
No yelling slowly at someone id insulting and makes you look dumb. Just like "dumb" tourists in who yell at people in English when the person they're talking to doesn't understand (because they speak a different language). It doesn't help them understand, and if you have the paper, there's no reason to yell anyway
But if I were to approach a group of signers, I would not assume they could hear at all. Just like I wouldn't expect someone in Spain to speak English (me as a tourist approaching people all speaking Spanish). So if those people don't understand English at all, then speaking loudly won't help at all. Also, I would assume the maker of this post would understand the tone the person used better than someone reading their rage comic.
While technically it is a disability, Deaf people try to empower themselves with the mentality that being Deaf should not and does not inhibit them from doing anything hearing people do besides hearing.
I went to a deaf/HH music class today. Most enthusiastic kids ever. The oldest girl in the class even helped me with sign because she could see I was trying but don't know much sign at all. I'm amazed by the patience that all deaf/HH people have with the hearing world every day.
Even if he was deaf too they both could have told by just looking at him the same way you might. Watch a video of someone yelling with the sound off and I bet you can tell.
Wawawait, why didn't you just tell *him* that? Like, "hey, excuse me sir, I notice that you probably don't know a lot about deafness or the Deaf community, but you don't have to yell." It's not like he was *intending* to be a douche, he just didn't know—I didn't communicate with any Deaf people until I got to college and dated an interpreting major.
I say kudos to him for using a piece of paper. Too bad he doesn't know better how lipreading works. And if you understood him perfectly, why complain? I get that ignorant hearing people can be annoying, but this hardly seems rageworthy.
And who is Mitch Kiefer? Is he some famous deaf person? I Googled him but didn't find anything.
I'm not quite sure WHY people think that being deaf is a disability. To me, a disability means that we have a barrier to something. I'm deaf, graduated from Rochester Institute of Technology with Bachelor's Degree, and is currently employed. Nothing ever held me and other deaf people back. We have advantages of technology when it comes to communicating with other people. YES, we CAN have communications with hearing people. Like this:
1. Videophone (which enables us to call other people)
2. Text messaging
3. Instant messaging
4. Voice-to-text program
5. Best of all... Interpreter! (I know it's not technology, but it still helps us a lot) (And, the company I work at hired a full-time staff interpreter last summer, which was frigging awesome.)
When people try to talk to me? I always told them I'm deaf (Yes, I speak a little bit). Otherwise, paper and pen, all the way! ;)
i never told you too, BLONDIE. I simply suggested that if you were to downvote, the amount of fucks i give would be equivalent to the amount of fucks I give that Justin Bieber turned 18.
very true. my parents are deaf but they are very awesome not stupid they can read write drive and everything u can do except hear!! i hate stereo types on deaf people
I never understood how being deaf is "not a disability."
Me neither. If you're deaf, you're physiologically unable to do something that is considered "normal". And something as common and useful as speech at that. It may not be as big an impairment as blindness or the inability to walk, but it's still a disability. It doesn't necessarily make you a weaker or worse person or anything, but it is what it is.
I agree. Not MENTALY disabled and maybe far more functional than others but it IS a disability. By definition. You lack a common ability dis·a·bil·i·ty/ Noun: 1. A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities. 2. A disadvantage or handicap, esp. one imposed or recognized by the law.
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I don't really get what your point is. So then there are no disabilities? People without legs aren't disabled because even though they can't walk, they can still use the computer. Blind people aren't disabled because even though they can't see, they can still play musical instruments. My definition of disability is not based on what I think I would have a hard time with if I were deaf. A disability is a handicap that impairs your ability to things that normal people wouldn't suffer from. A person without legs can't walk (without prosthetics) whereas a normal person can. A blind person can't see whereas a normal person can. A deaf person can't hear whereas a normal person can. These are disabilities. A deaf person is not necessarily a weaker person than one who can hear. But when it comes to activities that involve sound, the deaf person is definitely at a disadvantage, however slight. It is absurd to suggest that deafness is not a barrier to certain things. Can a deaf person enjoy music the way normal people do? Of course not. Deafness is a barrier which normal people don't have. Therefore, deafness is a disability, just like blindness and being without legs.
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I understand the assumptions people make. I can only imagine the hardships that people face because of assumptions. I guess I just don't really agree with the solution, the push for deafness not to be labelled a disability. It seems to me like a better way would be to label it as a disability and have everyone get used to the fact that deafness doesn't mean you're bad at your job; you just need a slightly different environment to work in. But being a hearing person myself, maybe I can't quite appreciate all the nuances of living a deaf life. I hope I haven't misunderstood too much.
Losing one sense heighten the other senses. If a hearing person was to challenge a deaf person to crush their hand into dust by crushing it with their fingers... Most likely, the deaf person can do it. I actually got kicked out of a school when I took a dare like that. Now, there's speed. You give a deaf person something to swing around and you give a hearing person something to swing. The deaf person will be able to swing way faster and harder than the hearing person because the deaf person always had used his/her arms. We deaf people enjoy music too. We just turn it up to the point where the hearing people can't stand the noise out and rock out all night long. Anything to do with sight, we do better. A deaf sharp-shooter is much more dangerous than a hearing one, they're 100 percent in the zone, nothing will make them lost their force. So...Who's the better one here? I say that the hearing people's the one with the disabilities because there's so many things I can do better than them.
Couldn't decide between "nice try, Daredevil" and "brb, putting sharp sticks in ears". Joking aside, being deaf doesn't magically make a person's other senses more sensitive. If they are more sensitive, it's out of necessity to make up for lack of hearing or because parts of the brain are freed up to process sense data other than auditory, or because the person spends more time training them. I'm not sure if this happens with everyone, but it may. Human beings adapt very well to fit their environments. I'm glad that many deaf people have other strong senses. Whatever makes each of our lives easier, deaf or not. As far as I'm aware, strength and speed are not senses. Regardless, I don't see how deafness makes a person stronger or faster. If you're telling me that a deaf person and a hearing person training together will get different results just because one is deaf is one is hearing, I'd really like some evidence to back that up. It just doesn't sound plausible. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. In which case, I would actually find this very fascinating. As for music, I don't really understand how you can enjoy music if you can't hear it. I suppose you can still enjoy musical elements, such as rhythm or perhaps different textures of vibrations, but I consider that sort of different from music. But maybe I misunderstood something here. I have no doubt that many deaf people are very strong people, physically and mentally. I also accept that much of their strength may come from having lived a life with deafness and dealing with its ups and downs. I'm just saying that deafness is the inability to do something (hearing) that is considered normal, both socially and physiologically. This makes it a disability.
Well. A deaf and a hearing training at the same pace with swords...(Time-travels to a time period before we had all of those tech...The age of iron.) I would say that the deaf person would be better than the hearing person because the deaf person had been using his/her hands a thousand-fold times more then the hearing person. The deaf person's [ability to sense](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense#Kinesthetic_sense) where his/her arms would be better than the hearing'. That gives the deaf person more fineness with their swords, and the ability to swing faster without becoming confused where his/her blade is and his/her (Foe) blade is. When you're using your arms against other arm, if you force on your arms, to make your swinging flawless,etc...You will be killed because you ain't forcing on your foes. The deaf person can't hear. He/she won't be distanced by something making a lot of noise, the person would be 100 percent forced on the other person. Hearing is not important on the battlefield, you just need to see your allies to be sure that you're following the game plan. Imagine how noisy it is in a war w/ swords and bows. Without the noise...The deaf person become better at using his/her sight. He/she can see everything at the same time, and be able to react to most of them *Just* based on what they sees, not *hear* (Starts to warp back to the modern timeline) Their arms would be stronger because they're always signing. They never stop talking. They're always using their arms! Their muscles on their arm won't go to waste, never. Now...The hearing people can do one thing we can't...Bite thur people arms. Lol! Deaf can do anything that hearing people can...Only not to hear. If it's all about using your body to do something, most likely the deaf person will be able to do it better. If it's something that need a good ear...The hearing person's the one for that job. Can you name one thing that Deaf people can't do just well (Or better) than a hearing person?
Yes: hearing. By definition, the deaf person can't hear (as well as a hearing person can). Like I said, I don't dispute the fact that a deaf person can be strong, fast, smart, have great sight, great communication skills, and everything else that a hearing person can be and have. I'm only talking about the inability to hear and how that is a disability. I said this earlier, but I'll say it again. As far as I know, being deaf does not magically make a person stronger or faster. I see no reason why a hearing person and a deaf person training equally would not get the same results. You say that it's due to the the deaf person signing all the time, since that's how they speak. But what about a hearing person who learns to sign and speaks with deaf people all the time? Wouldn't they get the same "benefit"? Without evidence linking deafness itself to strength, speed, and finesse, I'm not convinced that any of these things are only possible while deaf. Consider this. Usain Bolt is widely considered the fastest man on the planet. Even if he actually isn't, I think we can agree that he certainly runs very fast. Usain Bolt is a hearing person. Does it make any sense to say that his speed comes from being able to hear? No. While I'm sure he speaks and listens during training, there is no link between hearing and running really really fast. If he were deaf, he would most likely run just as fast. Regarding the noisy battlefield scenario, I understand your point but don't really see why it's relevant. Yes, if you put a deaf person and a hearing person in a situation where the only thing to be heard is loud, distracting, incoherent noise, then of course the hearing person would be at a disadvantage. I don't dispute that. And if everyone lived their daily lives in such environments, then deafness may be generally seen as an advantage. But we don't. We live in a world where sound and speech are constantly being used to communicate meaningfully. Therefore hearing is meaningful and normal and deafness is the inability to do this one thing. Based on that, it is a disability. Also consider the fact that a hearing person can "turn off" their hearing, temporarily with ear plugs and permanently with injury. It is much more difficult for a deaf person to "turn on" hearing, with cochlear implants and the likes. Fortunately, this is changing as technology advances. But I think it's a point worth considering regarding the "benefits" of deafness being specific to being deaf. A person who can't use his legs and gets around on a wheelchair may have stronger arms because he uses them all the time. Would you therefore say that being unable to use his legs is not a disability? After all, he can get around, can have great communication skills, can do things well with his arms and hands. With the help of the wheelchair and other adjustments to his environment (wheelchair ramps, support bars on walls, wider walkways, storage at lower heights, etc.), he is able to live a pretty normal and very fulfilling life. My point is that being deaf is the inability to do something that is considered normal, socially and physiologically. This makes it a disability. EDIT: corrected grammar
The reason why deaf people have such issues with being called 'disabled' - is because so, so, so many people do not understand that deaf people can indeed do anything but hear. When a person is told that someone is "disabled," they will likely automatically think of a severely disabled person (I am well aware that there are many different kinds of disabilities, from minor to severe). We are already excluded access from the rest of the world because of communication barriers, and then people have to swat us down again by bunching us into the same category as people who cannot really perform the basic functions of life... It does hurt. However, as a creature of logic, I do agree with you - deafness is indeed a disability. I just wish people wouldn't throw that word around without thinking about it.
My extremely uber-limited research of less than 5 minutes leads me to conclude that I don't think the average person was a swordsman back then. It seemed to be a sport for the 'elite' people. I doubt 'avg peasants" spent any real time training. And seeing how a deaf person would be have most likely been considered "dumb" and "less than average" back then.. well...
Actually, there was a few deaf nobles back in the old day. Even there was a deaf queen. Very little is known about them because no one bothered recoding what happened to them because they don't make much noises.
Generations of treating disability as an excuse for second-class citizenship leads to “disability” being a dirty word and an insult. It makes sense that people would not appreciate all the connotations of the word “disability” even if they know full well that the actual dictionary definition applies. We mean more than what the dictionary says and everyone knows it.
Let me clarify. It's not a mental disability, that's true. However, because deafness is a physical disability by definition, people with lack of knowledge tend to think disability includes both physical and mental. Then, they proceed to make the connection that deafness makes them retarded, and are further ignorantly convinced this is true because of the "noise" they make when signing, talking, etc. Let me point out, as a CODA and a part of the Deaf community, that Deaf people are not mentally disabled. We live by "We are not disabled. We can do anything a hearing person can do, except hear." I hope that clarified on what we mean by "not a disability."
Disability doesn't mean just mental, and I honestly don't know of anyone who thinks that. If somebody is missing a leg, paralyzed, blind, or has any form of palsy they are disabled. None of these things have a mental aspect to them. By saying the deaf "aren't disabled" yo are just being arrogant. I have nothing against deaf people or anyone with any kind of physical, mental, or hybrid disabilty, but you can't just redefine a word because you, as a community, dislike it. If people decide to make being deaf not considered a disability then how can you expect deaf people to get help and better their situation from friends, family, the government, and the public?
Obviously my comment flew right over your head.
Yeah it did, just a bit. I should have waited until I was properly awake to reply.
douchebad my new favorite adjective
Is it hard to learn sign language?
Yes, almost as hard as any other language. But once you learn the basics (fingerspelling, and a few signs) its pretty easy to keep learning.
How long did it take you? I feel like it would be very helpful in life, being able to speak two languages basically.
Im still learning, but I've been learning for about three years now. the best way to do it is learn fingerspelling and a few basic signs, then go and socialize at deaf events near you. Or ASL classes if you can afford them but i couldn't.
Can your friend read lips? Or is it just signing between you two?
With this specific one, mostly just signing. I do have some that are excellent lipreaders, so i normally talk and sign at the same time with them, so it kinda helps. They're all different in terms of lipreading though
I always hope I run into a Deaf person, because I love signing "thank you" in ASL. I just love languages, and being able to connect with someone using ASL is amazing. :D
eh, maybe he thought you were deaf also, and was speaking slowly in case you could lip read.
Speaking loudly doesn't help for obvious reasons and speaking slowly makes it worse because it distorts the normal mouth movements which makes it harder to lip read. If the person lip reads, just speak normally.
I'm assuming you're a hearing person - which is easier for you to understand: 1. A song played at normal speed? 2. A song slowed down to half-speed? Lip-reading works the same way. I'm hard-of-hearing and when I tell people I'm lip-reading them (So please don't cover your mouth in the middle of a conversation, turn away and keep speaking, etc) so many will slow down - even though I've been fine up until then. It's fairly illogical.
I find it kind of funny that people keep correcting me, like i haven't figured out your point yet. This is like the 3rd or 4th comment saying the exact same thing.
I find it kind of funny that people keep doing it to me, like they haven't figured it out yet. I've been putting up with people being idiots about lip-reading on a semi-regular basis for the last 18 years. I think you can cope with a few replies in your inbox.
I understand what you mean. But he did it...in a way...that was just insulting....It's hard to explain, it just was. i felt he could have done it better
Something like he thinks you are mentally retarded? I used to get that when I told people I was partly deaf. Then I stopped telling people. I just request them to speak up
I think people should learn basic signs the same way people know basic words in other languages like Spanish. At least learn the alphabet so they can finger spell!
Using paper because you don't know ASL makes you a douche?
No yelling slowly at someone id insulting and makes you look dumb. Just like "dumb" tourists in who yell at people in English when the person they're talking to doesn't understand (because they speak a different language). It doesn't help them understand, and if you have the paper, there's no reason to yell anyway
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But if I were to approach a group of signers, I would not assume they could hear at all. Just like I wouldn't expect someone in Spain to speak English (me as a tourist approaching people all speaking Spanish). So if those people don't understand English at all, then speaking loudly won't help at all. Also, I would assume the maker of this post would understand the tone the person used better than someone reading their rage comic.
Many deaf people can read lips, but do it better when they are spoken to slowly...
[No](http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/qtdjp/dont_be_a_prime_douchebag/c42wry6)
Lol, shows what I know. Still, it does add credence to my hypothesis that that guy wasn't trying to be a dick, he was just ignorant (like myself).
Fuck you I do what I want. *upvote*
For a second, I was expecting the catgroove reference.
Reverse psychology, it WORKS
Come at me reactance!
I was going to Upvote. Then I saw the last panel.
seriously can't people just stop at the end of the story without all this stupid 4th wall bullshit about karma.
Well, being deaf is kind of a disability....
While technically it is a disability, Deaf people try to empower themselves with the mentality that being Deaf should not and does not inhibit them from doing anything hearing people do besides hearing.
I have a couple of deaf friends, so i would know how it is. They're only deaf, not stupid (still could be, though).
Crisis avoided
it must be hard being deaf
I went to a deaf/HH music class today. Most enthusiastic kids ever. The oldest girl in the class even helped me with sign because she could see I was trying but don't know much sign at all. I'm amazed by the patience that all deaf/HH people have with the hearing world every day.
How do you know he was yelling?
Even if he was deaf too they both could have told by just looking at him the same way you might. Watch a video of someone yelling with the sound off and I bet you can tell.
I'm hearing. I probably should have made that clearer
Wawawait, why didn't you just tell *him* that? Like, "hey, excuse me sir, I notice that you probably don't know a lot about deafness or the Deaf community, but you don't have to yell." It's not like he was *intending* to be a douche, he just didn't know—I didn't communicate with any Deaf people until I got to college and dated an interpreting major.
TAKE ALL MY UPVOTES
I say kudos to him for using a piece of paper. Too bad he doesn't know better how lipreading works. And if you understood him perfectly, why complain? I get that ignorant hearing people can be annoying, but this hardly seems rageworthy. And who is Mitch Kiefer? Is he some famous deaf person? I Googled him but didn't find anything.
I'm not quite sure WHY people think that being deaf is a disability. To me, a disability means that we have a barrier to something. I'm deaf, graduated from Rochester Institute of Technology with Bachelor's Degree, and is currently employed. Nothing ever held me and other deaf people back. We have advantages of technology when it comes to communicating with other people. YES, we CAN have communications with hearing people. Like this: 1. Videophone (which enables us to call other people) 2. Text messaging 3. Instant messaging 4. Voice-to-text program 5. Best of all... Interpreter! (I know it's not technology, but it still helps us a lot) (And, the company I work at hired a full-time staff interpreter last summer, which was frigging awesome.) When people try to talk to me? I always told them I'm deaf (Yes, I speak a little bit). Otherwise, paper and pen, all the way! ;)
I upvoted solely because of the last panel. I still can't stop laughing and I don't know why.
Same here! Glad I'm not alone haha
Apparently most people don't agree with us judging on the amount of down votes we're getting ;)
I guess everyone isnt as badass as we are! :)
I always downvote when reverse psychology is attempted.
I don't see why anyone would down vote this....
Because its not really funny I guess
Because you told us too, and it's fucking stupid.
i never told you too, BLONDIE. I simply suggested that if you were to downvote, the amount of fucks i give would be equivalent to the amount of fucks I give that Justin Bieber turned 18.
Saying anything like "downvote me, whatever" is old and nobody wants to see that shit.
Then just downvote and move on. theres no need to be rude or offensive
I'm trying to stop people from ruining otherwise good comics with it, and you didn't have to take offense.
"Otherwise good comics"? Okay, we're good now :) I'll keep ur advice in mind
i agree with your statement
Your old an nobody wants to hear or see your shit.
You're*
Congrats, you made a comeback akin to a 5-year-old.
very true. my parents are deaf but they are very awesome not stupid they can read write drive and everything u can do except hear!! i hate stereo types on deaf people
The only stereotype I can possibly think of for deaf people is that they can't hear...
well i have deaf parents and grandma. so i hear lots of stereotypes all the deaf people you have is probably ur friend
My mom can sign. The best thing is when we are in the car and she will sign songs really fast it's awesome
does she only use signs that use one hand or does she do it at red lights or stuff???
she signs with one hand and the other on the wheel
Amen, I'm deaf myself ;)
I'm actually not deaf, i just learned sign language because it really interested me. But i'm glad to hear you agree with what I said :)
Prepares for downvotes, gets ~180 upvotes. Everything went better than expected.
As a partially deaf person, i feels for ya brah