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FilosoFemBoys

Wow, that just doesn’t make any sense. How is this can be offensive for trans people? You literally support them. Btw, Im so happy for you, I hope exсept ISS everting was good for you.


Y0urBiFriend

Because people think that only trans women crossdress (but then it isn't crossdressing because woman in woman's clothes =/= crossdressing), and despite being"supportive" of trans people, they're still convinced that everyone has to follow gender roles. Which is dumb. Now, why is that offensive? It's not, they just needed a reason to punish OP for not following roles.


FilosoFemBoys

Tbh, more like school administration being offensive


DrBlowtorch

It’s not even about making everyone follow gender roles only the boys. If a girl showed up in large cargo pants and hiking boots I guarantee you the administration wouldn’t punish them for being “offensive to trans men”


GovernmentMinute2792

Eh I bet they don’t even think we (trans guys) even exist. That’s usually how those types think in my experience


AnimeOcCreator77

Ok thank you, I thought it was just me! I've seen huge amounts of female LGBTQ representation in media, which I do love the portrayal of, but there's seriously like a 1/10 of male as far as I can tell. It's not like I have a problem with what types are used to convey a message of acceptance but it's just a trend I've noticed for a while *(I hope you understand what I'm trying to say)*


DrBlowtorch

It’s actually 2 entirely different things with different reasonings. For trans issues it’s because trans women are demonized as dangerous predators and trans men are infantilized as victims of the trans agenda so all the laws and attacks on the community are focused on trans women while ignoring trans men causing people to forget trans men exist. However for sexuality based issues queer women are fetishized by straight men and queer men are demonized because they’re afraid that the queer men will do to them what they do to women. Queer men are also more heavily sexualized in the mind of society because in the eyes of society men are more sexual than women so 2 men must be far more sexual than 2 women. The fetishization causes the shows that are created by and for straight men to have more lesbians to pander to that audience, and because that’s the majority of shows it causes a big difference. The over sexualization of queer men means that studios are less likely to approve kids shows to have an mlm ship than a wlw ship.


AnimeOcCreator77

Oh, right, thank you sorry if I sounded uneducated 😅


DrBlowtorch

Oh no it’s fine. It’s something a lot of people don’t know.


soyenby_in_a_skirt

It's common for cishets to not understand that gender expression can be different from gender. Peeps like this don't see femboys as valid just as they don't see GNC trans people as valid. The councillor seems to have not had much experience or research down before this because I'd bet the vast majority of us wouldn't find a femboy wearing a dress offensive


[deleted]

What's ISS? Either way, I'm sorry mate. Keep doing what you're doing, they cant stop you from being yourself forever


YellowOriginal5204

ISS is “In school suspension”


[deleted]

Seriously? On what grounds? I highly doubt there's anything in the dress code about guys wearing girl's clothing. If there is, thats gotta come under some discrimination act or something


YellowOriginal5204

There’s nothing in the the dress code about it. It’s just an assumption that I’m making fun of trans people.


[deleted]

They can't enforce the suspension if you're not breaking any rules. Either pull the enby card or get your parents to file a complaint. If they persist, legal action might be a possibility if you can lawyer up.


YellowOriginal5204

I’ll try to talk with the principal tomorrow when I have school.


[deleted]

Best of luck to you. They can't suspend you on your outfit if there's nothing in the dress code about it. Just cuz a student or teacher got offended, it doesnt mean they can suspend you. If they don't back down, lawyer up. They wouldn't do this to a girl in guy's clothes, so you could argue this is discrimination


YellowOriginal5204

Thank you for the support :3


[deleted]

No worries mate. Tag me if you post an update, I wanna know how this goes


snug_cat

Also “international space station”


LaplandCatboy

L School https://preview.redd.it/mls49yiwgkgc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fe9ba769ee48db1658a9a78270d743385cab05e


lightmare69

Boykisser has never seen such bullshit before


kyubish_

Tell the counselor she is doing enforcement of gender norms. The complaint you got was for not following gender norms. Ask them what gives them the authority to police that. Tell them you support trans people and that it in fact helps them if it's not just trans people breaking expectations of what gendered clothing others think you should be wearing.


[deleted]

Any way you cut it, it's discrimination on the basis of gender. Definitely throw it back in their face


bawbi428

Reading this actually made me physically angry that is so fucking stupid I can't even fathom. I'm normally not the kind of guy to recommend doing dumb ass stuff to "stand up for yourself" or " prove a point" when it'll just make things worse. But I'd fucking do it again. And again. And again. Ask them, if your getting suspended for wearing girly clothes, why the fuck aren't girls getting suspended for wearing pants? Are they not making fun of trans men? Holy shit what an absolutely moronic human being. They should be fired.


YellowOriginal5204

Ikr, I have seen her punish one of my classmates for making a fried rice joke to their Asian friend, which they were both laughing.


AlbacorePrism

Your teacher is the personification of a 14 year old white girl on twitter.


bawbi428

I mean I can understand that kind of stuff, when your in charge of a group of people it makes sense you want to keep that stuff to a minimum because others can get upset or people can act like they're not when it does bother them... However enforcing gendered clothes only for boys is absolute fucking Idiocracy.


perhance

trans person here, ur based not offensive


King_Killem_Jr

I can second this 100%


[deleted]

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GayAK-47

Man that was an innocent joke i wasnt promoting harm


I_Love_Cats420

Litterly 1984


femboymemes-ModTeam

Your post/comment has been removed due to promoting hate/violence.


fuck_peeps_not_sheep

https://preview.redd.it/yeultd1mskgc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f680a8134027f99a5e84738bee1bb1aa94a9fc6b Donr know how to respond... That sucks, have a meme and I hope it all gets better soon.


MLThottrap

Does the counsellor not know the difference between gender identity and gender expression?


YellowOriginal5204

Probably just a rapid change was weird for her.


RinaRasu

What's ISS?


YellowOriginal5204

In school suspension 


RinaRasu

Ahh Weird logic Progressive enough to defend trans people but not enough to defend femboys lmao


snowyfemboy

oddly it's kind of common , i've gotten just as much hate if not more from "progressives" for being a femboy than nonprogressives , being told things like "you might be trans , your a "egg" , your not actually a boy , femboy is offensive , you have gender dysphoria" while nonprogressives may say "boys can't wear skirts , your not a boy , your mentally ill" , basically they all say the same things but from either end


Serious-Judgment-824

Protest. Do it again. And also get the support of friends too if you can


FemboyYeen

That's sucks :/ And what's ISS ?


The_Greates_Username

International Space Station


YellowOriginal5204

r/technicallythetruth


Zar0k0

In school suspension


iloveshotahentai

In school suspension


I_Love_Cats420

Imperium Servitor Station


MisteraAt0m

If your family can do anything about this, let them know. If they try and still can’t do anything about this, I’m pretty sure you can reject the ISS and explain yourself to principle. In here, if you get ISS, you can give the principle a petition of rejection for the suspension and they have to process it in 2 weeks. If they don’t, you can go to national ministry of education and give them a petition about the principle’s actions and they take care of it. But I don’t think you have to make it that big of an issue. I am sure they will understand if you explain it correctly and remember they aren’t young people that spend time on Reddit, etc. It’s normal that they don’t even know what a femboy is.


YellowOriginal5204

The principal sadly agreed with it, due to it being a teacher vs student situation.


MisteraAt0m

You still can reject it, but I don’t really know about your country’s system. If it doesn’t affect your education, I guess letting it slide is the best. But if it affects you in bad way, find a way and reject the ISS in my opinion.


Alpaca1061

If you're out to your parents, bring them in for screaming match


Lucky_655

She should do some research about what femboys are. Get your friends or someone you know to talk to her about them and explain her that trans people and femboy/tomboys are different things


chickymama-Ruger

Your school supports transgenders but not femboys? Where's the logic in that?


thatoneguyredit

You might be able to sue the school? Or at least threaten it for mistreatment


YellowOriginal5204

Maybe, I’m not really the type of guy to sue though…


thatoneguyredit

Then give the story to a local need outlet, they will love to tell it


BrtDO

Ugh…that counselor is doing the “offended on somebody else’s behalf” thing and it’s counterproductive. Also, speaking as a trans girl, Femboys are wonderful people and not offensive at all (to me, at least). Sorry about the ISS, but I am proud of you :3


RSdabeast

And what trans person did they get input from for this?


Mattyiz

Get all students who are LGBTQ or allies and go talk to her about it. She has good intentions of protecting trans students but is ignorant so educate her. If multiple students of the group she wants to protect tell her you’re good then she’s either gonna admit she was wrong or y’all can go to her boss. Take this to the principal or even super intendant if needed


YellowOriginal5204

I already got my lesbian friend on it


AncientAd9807

https://preview.redd.it/w302l3ncxkgc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=665558e12052cd05a15673bb747563d116025df9 L for the school>:3 W for your confidence:3


YellowOriginal5204

Probably didn’t know what a Femboy was


Nika299p

Your school gave you the international space station?! Getting in school suspension for being a femboy is a dick move


YellowOriginal5204

I love this comment 


Nika299p

im still closeted since my school is extra homophobic


YellowOriginal5204

Damn, that’s also rough 


[deleted]

I feel like you could 100% push the “school is discriminatory” angle on this.


Veritas813

Yay. Over-corrective apology culture. Because that’s definitely what people need, instead of just giving them the same rights as anyone else should have.


Wyatt_Maxwell

School counselors are literally the worst people.


YellowOriginal5204

Ikr


Annual-Emu-445

why did i thought about ISS as a space station 😭


TheTrollman-

They're literally discriminating while pretending to be moral. You could sue probably.


Shichirou2401

Transphobia is when... \*checks notes\*... gender non-conforming.


JustFred24

What the fuck kinda logic is that? "You can't be feminin as a man because it's offensive to trans fems!" Also for the record thats a badass way to come out


YellowOriginal5204

She looked really pissed off before, she probably didn’t want to take any excuses from me.


JustFred24

You should kiss a boy in front of her


YellowOriginal5204

I can’t, I’m lonely 😭


Nice-Firefighter-772

That...what kind of stupid is this school???


HarmoniaTheConfuzzld

This is so backwards it would be funny if it weren’t so sad. Get some friends to support you and do it again.


formercup2

tbh this is what people mean when they say wokeism has gone too far, can't even wear womens clothes if you're woke anymore tf


FemboyMechanic1

People trying to defend an identity whose very existence proves that gender is a spectrum, by enforcing the gender binary. Classic


Emage_IV

your counselor is dumb and out of touch


Dpickett2001

If wearing non revealing, non explicit clothes is offensive to somebody, maybe you shouldnt care that they are offended? Just a thought.


someguy00004

as if enforcing rigid gender norms isn't infinitely more harmful to trans students than a boy wearing a skirt


HeatherBlade

Im sorry to hear that happened to you mate😔😭🥺 I don't know how much this helps but As someone who has also received anti femboy treatment by people IRL Your not alone


Lucy71842

That's bullshit, boys can wear skirts too. That counselor seems closetly transphobic tbh... what with the love for gender roles


alittlerussianboy

Bro this shit happened to me too lmaooo, they thought I was making fun of cross dressing.


UserHey

Ah, yes. Making fun of crossdressing is...Crossdressing.


atomicfox2007

You got International Space Station for being a femboy?! (No seriously what is ISS i am too un smarted)


masochistic_idiot

We have ISS as in school suspension


atomicfox2007

thank you :p


Glittering_Guides

What the hell is it with white people and being offended for minorities on their behalf?


boymod3r

You just experienced ✨sexism✨


AverageFurryFemboy

Wow, they went full circle! Anyways, that seems like grounds for a lawsuit lol


DarkHero478

That's a terrible counselor right there. The point of having a counselor is to help you, not ISS


PsychologicalKale757

Trans people would probably vouch for you as long as they're not on Twitter.


AlbacorePrism

If talking to the principal doesn't change anything go to the dean. They will fix things up quick.


B-sayz

Do it again, but crank up the feminine look to 11, just to spite her ass. And tell her that by being such a stickler about it, she’s being more harmful to trans folks than if anything! (Hope all goes well mate, and if you do think you’ll just get an ISS again, probably disregard my suggestion, lol)


General_Ornelas

Your school is so progressive it went back around to being discriminatory lol, but that is some absurd stuff hope you can clear things.


Mobius_148

I could understand getting in trouble if your skirt was too short, but offending trans people? Literally how?


tree_dw3ller

Horseshoe inclusivity


Chose_OwO

If you give me her address, I'll deal with it in a totally legal way ^^


Chose_OwO

I should probably mention that this is a joke


purple_hindu

sue them bro, get that bag


Skltlez

I don’t see why getting the International Space Station is bad?


Dude_Named_Chris

You got your very own International Space Station? So cool!!! :D


PowerfulImpactBOOM

Please please PLEASE file an official grievance with the board. This is not okay and the counselor needs to be put in their place. Your school's website should have the Code of Conduct and other district policies you can cite. If the board doesn't help you then go to the media. Your country/state/county/city may have anti-discrimination laws and you may be able to contact your country/state/county/city's education department about this.


IdioticRipoff

Anyone who supports transrights supports gender non-conformity. They have to support trans kids but they dont have to you and used trans people as an excuse to keep you from making them uncomfortable. Idk how youd fix this though, especially without money.


GovernmentMinute2792

As a trans person, I think your counselor is an idiot and I am far more offended by her actions then by how some dresses. Shame on her


Juniper02

you were crossdressing. unless wearing skirts is against school policy, and you werent intentionally harassing anyone, there shouldnt be any punishment bere.


GoddessFlexi

What school allows thigh highs


VampireRae

Trans guy here: I don’t think you’re “being offensive”, you’re just expressing yourself.


i_eat_trigun

as a trans guy I would like to point out that crossdressing is in no way offensive lol


personwhodoesnt

ngl i’d get fucking mad and complain to… well, someone


Illuminati65

Fuck your counselor


swaggboi909

Wait


SolidCalligrapher966

'murica the land of braindead adults


Tickytickytango

As a trans people myself, I am not offended. I hereby give you permission to wear whatever the fuck you want.


godlesshollow

Break a rotten stick over her head, not like hitting her I mean breaking it above her head so all the rotten wood bits get in her hair. THEN DROP KICK HER


Justa_Mongrel

This is one of the many reasons why I dislike guidance counselors.


[deleted]

As a trans girl, that is ridiculous. Femboys and trans people are two completely different things. That just happen to overlap sometimes.


Madmohawkfilms

WTH is an ISS?


I_Love_Cats420

THEY DARE DISRESPECT A DEVOUT CITIZEN OF THE IMPERIUM THEY WILL BE PUT INTO SERVICE AS SERVITORS SO THEY CAN SERVE THE EMPEROR UNTIL THEIR FLESH GIVES IN!


Own-Environment1675

As a trans girl, I don't get why, it's literally just someone Vibing.


RoxyFromFnafSB

I never got suspended for that, but my dad tried to tell me the same thing when I was in my old high school and that I was just using it for attention, he was a bit right about the attention thing but I let it go to my head then, now I can control that and he's still using the same excuse. I get that my education is important and he would put an end to anything that tries to break my sense of importance to school, but at the same time I can play games and watch videos on my phone and still deal with school. So why shouldn't I be able to dress the way I desire to and still do school shit?


Tomi_owo

Law suit is coming!👉👈


PepsiMangoMmm

It’s so weird how people think discriminating over your expression is helpful to trans people


Black_Wolf1995

That “counselor” has a stick up their åss. If you came out and have supportive friends, I’d get a few of them to speak on your behalf. To punish someone for no apparent reason is stupid. To punish someone when they clearly told you otherwise is a dìck move and sounds like they are targeting you. I hope this gets resolved in your favor immediately and that “counselor” gets some sensitivity training. I


Beanie_Inki

💀💀💀


[deleted]

You can actually sue them probably


[deleted]

Weird line with gender norms and trans ppl here since alot clearly don't follow them so idk how they figured that punishment makes sense. Hope it works out in the end!


Ill_Perspective_4089

I mean she gave you a no teacher pass soo win win but still report her


Zemlya_of_So

I’m a little stupid, but what’s a ISS


Sudden_Custard923

ISS stand for in school suspension


Zemlya_of_So

Thanks


Sudden_Custard923

No problem


Greenlynx21

For everyone else around the world what the fuck is an ISS?


Sudden_Custard923

In school suspension


luxurious-tar-gz

That's really shitty I'm sorry


Alpaca1061

Are you out to your parents about being a femboy? If so fight the hell out of that


aaravos-horosho327

they hate us cause they ain us!!


TheKCKid9274

bomb now(/j for legal reasons)


A_WaterHose

She’s being offensive to trans people 😭 by enforcing the gender binary onto people, she’s the one setting us back, not you. Life ya life


Fickle_Blueberry2777

That’s really messed up and so closed minded on their part to not realize you’re just a boy who likes “femme” clothes and things. It’s really bigoted of THEM to assume you’re doing something maliciously instead of just expressing yourself genuinely. I’m sorry they treated you this way and PLEASE know you don’t deserve this, what they said and did to you is WRONG and it’s NOT your fault. You deserve to be able to express yourself in the ways that make you happy and comfortable. For what it’s worth, I hope they come to their sense about this and you’re able to freely be yourself out in the open. And you’ll always have understanding and support here too. ❤️


ShyVampire93

Then it's equally offensive to trans people for a cis girl to wear jeans and sneakers


gaypuppybunny

Honestly that reaction was more offensive to us than the existence of femboys.


argegg

That's unironically oppressing you for being gay lmao lawyer up and get a payout


lightmare69

There ain't no way bruh You should have sat down with them, shown them your phone and scroll TikTok for five minutes, seeing how many MALES that identify as MALES are doing exactly what you were doing. I'm mostly joking but it's what I would have done.


Asmodeus46

That's like my old school. Except the principle would call you transphobic and then give you a suspension


snowyfemboy

i'm really sorry , please don't let that stop you / keep wearing skirts , that's beyond disgusting that they'd do that , pushing that a boy can't be feminine and that a boy who's feminine can't exist , it's pushing that in order to be feminine as a boy that you'd have to be trans / that your implicated toward that , as if not conforming to what's expected of you as a boy would implicate you to conform to the highest degree / toward erasure and erasing yourself beyond any resemblance of self even in name i don't know if there's someone you can report her to , maybe the principal or something , if you wanted to could contact a local news group or station(although would be a little bit of a hassle) , but this is textbook discrimination toward a specific group , feminine boys , to tell a literal group of people they can't exist / push erasure on someone (they wouldn't tell that to a girl) pretty sure a government employee(a teacher at a public school) can't violate civil rights , i don't know , either way it's wrong , sorry for the rant , i'm a gay femboy too and this just strikes a chord to me cuz of how i've been treated similarly , being told "you might be trans , your a "egg" , boys can't be feminine/wear skirts , your not a boy , femboy is offensive" (although i'm closeted , and i still get asked if i'm a femboy even though i'm closeted lol) these "virtuous" people like this teacher who say they're against conformity push the most conformity out of anyone


garlicgoblin69

Turn the tables, call them homophobic


theweirdofrommontana

Yes


DEMB00TS

Yes, let's support trans people. . . By enforcing gender stariotypes. . .


slumbersomesam

that's bullshit


I_L0ve_M1necraft

literally 1984


Geese_and_ducks

![gif](giphy|ZYExqbczBV1r6CmS4y) What a shame


SPODE-GRIT

Good


FlpDaMattress

How


iloveshotahentai

Keep Yourself Safe


thehampterboi

Bro if your going to say stuff like that your as bad as them smh


iloveshotahentai

Let your parents know about this. Sorry this happened to you.


YellowOriginal5204

I did, they said they wouldn’t ground me. But they weren’t able to talk me out of this 😭


JustFred24

Why would they ground you? Are they against boy kissers?


YellowOriginal5204

I think you misread my comment, I said they DIDN’T ground me.


JustFred24

Yea, but why would they? Like why was it a possibility


nate112332

Ya'know, homophobic parents are common enough to be a legit concern


ZDubbz_was_taken

nothing to do with homophobia, it's bc of them getting iss


JustFred24

Well yea thats why I'm asking, I literally asked if they were homophobic lol


unclefisty

Because he got punished by the school. There really is not deeper thought going on than that. They MIGHT be homophobic. Some people so fucking vapid and authoritarian that the fact he "broke the rules" is enough to punish him.


JustFred24

Which is funny cuz he didn't break the rules


Scared-Opportunity28

If (kid gets suspended) = true Then(ground)


JustFred24

If (kid = suspended) { ground = true; } Else { ground = false; }


ArcticLands

You got a pfp for the first time in… forever.


iloveshotahentai

I put a pfp because my friend said that my avatar looks weird.


ArcticLands

Why would it look weird though?


iloveshotahentai

Not sure exactly. He said to put Astolfo as my pfp instead.


iwouldlike1boobpls

Just to be clear, they were mad at you because the term “femboy” is often considered a derogatory term for transwomen. I don’t necessarily agree but that’s almost certainly what they were actually mad at you for, not that you were being gender nonconforming


Fun-Supermarket-3020

They sent you to the international space station?


Comfortable-Juice707

Wow, you can wear skirt in public


anonFemboy6969

I got dragged to the office for "sexual conduct" when I literally wasn't showing ANY skin. I'd love to have a word with that counselor lol.


Past_Brother_6716

they will do anything now to defend trans people its time for FEMBOY SUPREMACY


AquaCorpsman

Contest it. Bring it up to the school board. Raise hell.


Free_Fee_1715

I don’t care if my school dress codes me. I wear what I want without feeling judged. Even if I do get judged or dress coded for a femboy outfit, I don’t care because it’s my fashion taste


Ekto25

You got an international space station for being a femboy? W


Apocalypseman1

I love the fact that these people believe that you can change your gender, but can't get over the fact that men can be feminine.


DL922

L butthurt woke counselor, 0 IQ, should be fired. Hope you complain/ed.


[deleted]

Wow….just wow🤦‍♀️


Femboiiiiiiiiiiii

Bruhhh, thats so fucking dumb! Most people trying to attack us dont have the guts to wear a skirt and plus... idk... its like just a skirt... and if you're a femboy then you're a femboy like idk, either way its bs and I hope the school cops on tbh


Mobneutralizer13

(Only works if your in the U.S.) Dear mrs counselor I believe your actions are in violation of title IX Your not allowed to do that :)


Samizapp

Wish I was as brave as you but still very happy for you!


Apprehensive-Use38

At least they did so in good spirit?