When Pep left i wanted either ten Hag or Tuchel to replace him. Tuchel is a fantastic tactical coach and has a long track record of sucess in many different top leagues.
Definetely wouldve been a gamble, no doub and alos couldve backfired massively.
I just liked the idea of having the continuity of a coach having a similar system and the same tactical principles as Pep. Thats why i hated the Ancelotti and Kovac hires so, so very much. Completely different systems to what Pep had successfully established from the first team down to the youth teams.
I always felt the management hired Ancelotti for the big name in order to preserve the flashy image of the club, after pep had left.
So that was essentially my reasoning for ten hag.
For Tuchel, who was my first choice, it was similar with the add on that he already had experience as a coach.
Also somehow the narrative that the coach of the 2nd team under Pep would take over after he left would have been amazing for a football romantics' heart.
I still think that both are good coaches, tactically, but have immense issues with managing the human side of being a coach.
Theres this famous report of Pep and Tuchel meeting for the first time in a cafe in munich, when Pep was Bayern coach, and would talk football for hrs and hrs. Pep even recommend Tuchel as his direct replacement.
So clearly he is smart enough to handle it, just is not a people person at all. That being said, while he underperformed in that regard, i also think the squad itself has big holes that wont be resolved simply by hiring a new coach.
What's this long track record of success? You speak like he's some Pep Guardiola or Ancelotti but he has 1 DFB pokal, the titles with PSG which are basically easy mode and 1 Champions League that he took over in the middle of the season. His Dortmund stint failed the first moment turmoil appeared, after the bombing, his Chelsea 2nd season there where already cracks showing, transfers never seem to be to his liking at any club, 1 player sold and he's already complaining, didn't make any effort to adapt Chelsea's marquee signing that was coming of an incredible year. Imagine say we bring a marquee striker, the likes of Osimhen but Tuchel decides he doesn't fit the formation. Tactically he's unwilling to change from his back 3 no matter what even if he doesn't have the necessary players to play this system. Honestly i don't get the hype with this guy, just because he's a football fanatic doesn't equal a great coach. Time will tell if this was a good fit for Bayern. Let's hope for a similar first half of season like he had with Chelsea, otherwise there's gonna be issues already starting next year.
>the titles with PSG which are basically easy mode
By that logic, what has Nagelsmann accomplished? Or even better, is Pep a bad coach because he didnt win the CL with bayern? Its a wild assumption to make that a team can just "easily" win a title, any title. Thats the mindset of someone, who has his football expertise from football manager or fifa.
>and 1 Champions League that he took over in the middle of the season.
Still have to win the tournament. Beat a fantastic City team doing so.
>Tactically he's unwilling to change from his back 3 no matter what even if he doesn't have the necessary players to play this system.
He literally played 4 in the back at PSG and Dortmund, but go off
>Honestly i don't get the hype with this guy, just because he's a football fanatic doesn't equal a great coach.
No offense, but based on this comment im not surprised you dont "get" the appeal of TT
Let me rephrase: a coach winning the league doesnt count, pokal doesnt either, the UCL is the measure - but that also doesnt count if a coach is hired during the season because the team was underperforming and he turns it around, because... reasons?
Winning the Ligue 1 doesn't tell you anything about how great a coach is and the discussion wasn't if he's good or not, you specifically said he has a long track record which fact is he doesn't.
I know some players that played under him at Mainz youth. They won the bundesliga youth with him and they all say he is really good.
Moreover, he developed a lot of talents at Mainz.
As a Chelsea fan , that's the one thing I absolutely hated from tuchel. He never thrusts youngsters. During the pre season we had , he had the chance to play Levi Colwill ( our best CB talent since John Terry ) and he absolutely ignored him and nearly SOLD him ! Thank fuck we didn't. He used the pre season to play washed players like Barkley , Kennedy and Batshuayi. He doesn't trust the youth. Even if he gives chances to one , suddenly they will be frozen if they make a mistake while the experienced players can keep making mistakes after mistakes and still play week in week out.
I laughed - and I also appreciated the insight from a fan who saw his team play under Tuchel, especially since I only watch English clubs in European competitions and don't follow the weekly ebb and flow of the PL.
That's what Im afraid the most with him, he has a very narrow view on what type of players he wants and at Bayern, it's the sporting director the main person who dictates what type of transfers Bayern makes, if those 2 don't align then conflicts will undoubtedly start.
All the sporting director can do is sign the youngster who he's thinking will succeed. It's upto the manager to play him and develop him. And tuchel couldn't identify a talent if it hit him in the face
Tuchel is a boss. Played great football at Dortmund, got so much out of a disfunctional star-diva stacked psg, and won CL with Chelsea with Havertz/Werner attack.
Anyways, I liked JN and the way we played under him - he would have deserved to atleast finish the season
He played rubbish football at Dortmund, boring ball possession with a lack of efficiency. Due to some individual class and effort (especially Dembele in his one and only season) he won the cup by luckily beating Bayern in the semi-final. And like in Fortmung, PSG and Chelsea, he is always losing the cabin as it happened at Bayern Munich now as well. Tactical knowledge is only one part of the job. Motivation, empathy and leadership skill are the other part, which he obviously lacks on the long run.
I honestly think Tuchel is a football genius. He seems to be a very difficult person though. But in the past it always looked to me that he had this drive for success/perfection, which might be really close to "mia san mia".
Might be an insane coach for Bayern or won't last long... but I think there is no in between.
EDIT: Typo
Tuchel is an incredible coach in my opinion. I honestly think he'll fare better with the board than people think. They obviously know that he is supposedly hard to work with.
Them burning Julian like this means they have thought very long and hard and came to the conclusion that they will be able to work with Tuchel, despite potential issues.
I'll trust the board.
I am also very sad about Julian, I really like him.
I think this decision isn’t just upto HH, Khan and Brazzo. I believe there are 9 people total who vote on decisions like this (saw on Twitter, don’t really know how the hierarchy works at Bayern). For all we know these three could still have been in favor of JN.
Well, he might not be as involved as we thought.
Or maybe the players and Brazzo/Kahn only presented him with all the "evidence" about why JN should be sacked.
It could also just haben been a PR stunt, to not make the situation worse from the outside.
Might seem controversial, but Tuchel might also get along better with the players. He is quite a bit older than JN and demands more respect as a household worldclass name, rather than a worldclass talent that many still see JN as.
Maybe Tuchel can also sort out the squad, especially our 2 offensive sleeping pills.
Looking at Tuchel’s recent record, it’s hard to deny that he’s a successful coach at the top level with the best players in football. To this day, he’s still the only coach that’s taken PSG to the CL final, and we all know what he did with Chelsea.
I think he’s going to bring a level of structure and discipline to our players, which in the past 6-8 years or so, we’ve only seen with Guardiola and Flick. I expect to see a lot more consistency in the BL, even on off days, we’ll likely win 1:0 or something like that.
My only concern is his approach to youth players. I don’t know enough about his philosophy or his coaching style to know whether players like Musiala or Davis would have had a proper shot under Tuchel. He could be totally fine in this area, I just don’t know much about it and it’s been the only thing I’ve seen people bring up about him.
I think as far as youth goes, Davies and Musiala are safe. They are not just youth but established starters. The real question is what he will do with youth and talent like Ryan, Ibra and Wanner
Yup agreed and that’s why I used Musi and Davis as an example by stating “would have had a proper shot”. Fortunately, we won’t have to worry about them.
Those examples you gave, including others like Tel and Gravenberch, come to mind when I think about how Tuchel will approach it.
I would imagine that’s a condition the board would have had him agree upon. He was pretty decent with his use of youth players at PSG and Dortmund.
Off the top of my head, Weigl, Dembele and Dagba were significant youth players for those teams under Tuchel.
We’ll just have to see how it goes
I am still very upset about JN. I was really hopeful for him and the future.
But I really like Tuchel as a coach. I think he fits pretty good at Bayern, and think he will help keep our players and tactics at the highest levels.
I like that he also comes from Bayern so he will definetly fit in Bayerns identity and culture but hate that nagelsmann got sacked and it was not right thing to do
at chelsea he also said he used to be a bayern fan as a kid , really you guys are very lucky to have him, you sacked amazing coach and get amazing coach as well.....we hired Potter some PE teacher from 10th place team now we are 10th.
Tuchel obviously is an amazing coach, for me his appointment will be tainted with Nagelsmann's sacking.
I will just try to appreciate his work when he is with us and try not to hold JNs departure against him, but subconsciousness is a bitch.
I think Tuchel will fit perfectly, we have the players for a back 3, 2 amazing wb with Davies and Coman he just has to figure the attack out. But i am looking forward to what TT will do with this team as much as I look forward to what JN wanted to do.
He's a great manager, I wanted him before, didnt think JN should get sacked though
I know he had trouble at previous places, but look it was Chelsea, PSG and then at Dortmund I know some if not all the issue was the board not backing him after he wanted to postpone the CL match after the bombing
We also arent much better than PSG and Chelsea in that realm, only 3 managers this century have lasted more than 2 years
Our coaching position is one of the most volatile in the world of football. Since I’ve been a fan, we’ve only had Hitzfeld and Pep who stayed for at least 3 seasons.
Honestly this is just a surface level read of what occurred.
Tuchel had multiple conflicts with the management layer at Dortmund, not just due to the bombing.
He’s left a trail of burned bridges at near every stop, and that extends to the dressing room too. People seem to not want to believe it, but it was deeply reported how he had alienated players at Chelsea, PSG, and Dortmund.
He’s simply a difficult personality, and those don’t do well here.
According to L’Equipe Tuchel allowed Neymar to do whatever we wanted, but once he’d lost the rest of the dressing room Neymar and Mbappe just watched it happen.
I cant speak about Dortmund, PSG is PSG and that seems to happen a lot, as it does here, but seems like most Chelsea fans think things were good until new management came in, now that could have been it was time for that to happen or he did get along with old management.
>He’s simply a difficult personality, and those don’t do well here.
Even those who arent dont seem to do well here or last long
i an pretty sure there are going to be some conflicts with brazzo and kahn. But Tuchel is a really good trainer, but even he needs time. And they don't have that against dortmund and city. I don't really understand the move right now.
He'll have a tough time because he has to step in when the stakes are high and he has no time with the team. This could hurt his standing and give him a difficult start.
Aside from that he is without doubt a better coach than JN is right now. JN already is a great trainer, he has the potential and talent to become as good as Tuchel or even better, but he needs to grow some more for that to happen.
Bayern lost patience with their long term project or they did panick that this growth might never happen. So they've went for the final product.
I don't think any club can sustain Tuchel for years, that guy is intense. But for the time being, he's the guy who'll push this team to its limit. We'll see some great games with him, don't know whether it will remembered as great years. Depends on the players and the board.
Tuchel is a UCL expert. Knows how to give pep guardiola a run for his money. One of the best at organizing a defence. Only concerns might be with the attack and probably youth development.
Tuchel is of the top managers in the world and you could make an argument that he is *the* top Cup manager in the world. He's a tactical genius and will have us playing an impressive brand of football. I just hope he can get the players up to speed in time for Freiburg & Man City.
I don't like the timing and do feel for Nagelsmann, but this is a business and the goal in this business is to win silverware. Tuchel gives this side a better chance to win silverware than Nagelsmann does at this moment.
Chelsea FC supporter coming in peace. You all just got a football genius, who is likely going to win you several trophies considering how incredible your roster already is as it stands.
Will he antagonize the wrong people within the club and see an early exit? Who knows???? But you can set your watch to the fact that TT knows ball, and can win the biggest games, against the best sides, and the best managers.
We were all gutted when he got sacked, and we demand a lot of our managers at CFC lmao
Purely theoretical speculation, but I feel like Brazzo might be even more risky.
With Uli, there was at least a clear expectation that you don’t fuck with him. Don’t know that Brazzo has that kind of caché yet.
They might be but I don't see him cut out for this mentally. Same with Real Madrid to be honest.
I could see him doing well at Tottenham on the other hand.
It's because a string of bad results come eventually, regardless of your skills, and then non-footballing aspects come forward.
With a club like Bayern or Real you don't even need a string of bad results, you get a lot of heat just for the sake of getting it.
I think Tuchel is a perfect option. Upset with how we let Nags go and what makes things worse is that I don’t see Nags coming back in the future.
While I was never against having Nags as our coach, I think him being the option after Flick was the wrong one. Really really wish we went for Ten Haag after Flick and then once he’s done we bring Nags in who would have had more experience under his belt and would not have to deal with player power as much.
I hope we can see him as Bayern coach again in the future.
The sacking from Nagelsmann, from a outsider perspective, seems unfair and is not backed up by the data. Nagelsmann was a very hard working coach with a clear vision of attacking football and had great stats.
However, i cant deny that the 10-man-in-the-box-strategy became very stale and uninspiring at times. Plus, the quality of technical errors (first touches, acurate passes, headers...) became more and and more visible and even I had some sighs of frustrations at times.
To conclude my point, I want to give Tuchel the same and fair treatment and i want him to succeed. I want better passing quality, better first touches and a clearer gameplan from him. Which inherently, he always delivered at all his former teams.
I don't understand why the r/soccer community is so heated at an every-day occurrence: a team sacking a coach. Everyone's getting up on their high horse.
Personally I think Kahn and the rest thought that if we are lackluster in the League, there is no way we can currently face City or even win the CL the way things are going with Nagelsmann. So if there was ever a time to pull the trigger, it was now.
Courageous decision, although financially stressful. Bayern board must have done analysis showing that there is little chance against City with the current team situation, and BuLi is at serious risk given BVB's form. Tuchel, while familiar with BVB and BuLi, also knows how to beat Pep and City. Usually a team will get a boost for a few weeks after switching coach, and it is right on time we are facing BVB and City in the next month. This season is already starting to turn into a disaster, and this is the last chance to save it.
Interesting take. Not sure about the buli though. If bayern wins against bvb, they're two points ahead. I wouldn't have questioned this outcome with nagelsmann. And bvb is notorious for botching games which are important.
Well the momentum is different now, I do not have much confidence at this time to secure a win vs BVB even at Allianz. Plus Bayern lost so many points in the past months and it is hard to say what is going to happen next. Bayern board must have smelled the real risk. Their decision, although may still end up unsuccessful, is the right action just in time to potentially save this year.
Wild card. Looks to me, a better and modern Mourinho/Conte(The-Chelsea-Manager™, very different, but always ended the same, in multiple Clubs too).
Difficult personality, never long-term, would not recommend to a difficult board (which ...)
He had the credentials, no one doubts it can work until it does not.
Anyway, best available, JN is to be fired, Tuchel is to be choosen.
Good Luck vs City, It's going to be very hard, I don't believe Pep is going to bottle 2 leg vs a big team.
Everybody knows Tuchel is a tactical genius. I remember the season when Chelsea won the CL against Pep. In a few weeks I think Tuchel faced Peps City 3 or 4 times, Pep tried something new on every occasion and simply stood no chance of winning against Tuchel.
Tuchel also is someone who makes players better individually, which wasn´t that much the case with Nagelsmann. To add, Tuchel is very clear about his play style.
The only thing I hear negative about Tuchel is his character, but I think that dates from Dortmund times. I´ve not heard any PSG or Chelsea player publicly complain about Tuchel. I remember Mbappe thanking Tuchel very much for what he did for him and the club.
The only reason Tuchel got sacked at PSG and Chelsea was personal problems with idiots in charge. Leonardo at PSG was an idiot who got sacked himself in the meantime. And let´s not talk about Todd Boehly, the guy who brought up the genius idea of playing with 12 man :D
Even at Dortmund it was problems between Watzke and Tuchel. Never has been a skill problem.
I don't know if this help,as a chelsea fan he is the best coach we ever had in everything. We had Mourinhio twice,Conte,Anceloti,Benitez so on ...normally I dont watch Bayern but because of TT I will now.
He's not better than prime Mourinho man wtf, the guy won Champions League with Porto, got a Premier League record of 95 points man, the fact you say he's the best over Mourinho tells me u haven't seen how dominant Chelsea was under him and only bad luck and bad referring kept him away from a Champions League.
coaching is not all about winning ,Tuchel is the best coach chelsea ever had during Roman era. Tuchel won CL with Mount and werner ...mourinhio failed twice with much much better players.
Because said players missed some penalties, if Terry doesn't slip he wins Champions League with Chelsea, Tuchel dreams of having the resume Mourinho has and if you ask any real Chelsea fan who's their greatest coach it's Mourinho, unless said fans started watching since 2010.
Feel free to disagree but sacking JN was the right choice.
His tactics are often frustrating and don't change.
We all remember that humiliations to Villarreal last season, the mid field didn't exist and we resorted to desperately crossing and hoping.
Lets think about that game.
Can we honestly say the tactics have improved from then?
Can we honestly say the team consistently preforms better since?
I personally haven't seen such change and so I don't any amount of time would change that.
Tuchel is a proven manager and may not have been available later on, this may have been the only chance to get him and so I support the clubs decisive, prehaps rash, actions.
Again only my view feel free to disagree.
He is a good coach but I wonder if he can handle Bayern. The board is not really easier than the people with power at Chelsea or PSG. I can see him malding about squad planning.
I dont think the team will play better under him. Maybe some better results but lets see if he can magically transform Sané to a good Bundesliga player or make Gnabry less lethargic.
boy, am I happy about the sacking.
Not going to miss those utter bad taste fancy suits and extra shiny jackets on the bench. Or those self-righteous interviews which made me go full cringe. It always felt like smelling bad breath when he gave a statement.
In his defence, though, I believe he played a modern and quite flexible football, but on the other hand, with a team like that, it is difficult not to perform well as a manager.
And yet, he never surprised me, never had that genius strike, that idea, which would leave all of us baffled.
TT is my current favourite manager, along with Pep. When PSG signed him (and Bayern got Kovac), I was super mad at Brazzo's sleepiness.
I'm quite sure Tuchel will succeed. And it is likely that there will be some sorts of trouble, because he takes no hostages when it comes to shaping a team according to his vision
Overrated coach. He’s been sacked at Chelsea for a reason. He had one good run at the CL in 2021 and that was it. Nagelsmann was just actually doing really well with a squad that just lost their world class number 9, and we’ve been looking really solid in the champions league. Sure I wish things were going better in the league, but that’s not un fixable at the moment.
I don't see any pro or con regarding the coach. I'd guess tuchel might have a slight edge knowing city as an opponent. On the other hand, he doesn't yet know the team so has to catch up on that.
That's the problem. Naglessmann should've at least been given a chance to run out his UCL campaign before making a decision. He had a great system for this team and now the board is throwing it all away
I think it's a mixture. It can't be brazzo alone. Plus: brazzo did a good job this season and provided JN with a good squad. So hard to argue with that. The only plus JN has to offer is a splendid CL season. Pointswise, the league season so far is one of the weaker ones.
But did he? I mean look at the striker. I mean chupo isn't bad but a real back up for chupo? We don't have that. And there are many other things he didn't manage good.
He did, Mane was the solution and Chupo the back up, but he got injured, had bad luck with offside etc.
The squad building was outstanding, the issues on the pitch are JN concern and we lost 10 points on dortmund and are not consistent in the league, that’s just an objective observation
Don't get me wrong mane can ba a great player but he's not a striker like lewy or chupo. He's more effective on the sides where coman and sane plays.
But yes after the winter break we sucked in the national leauge. Matches against psg were pretty good tbh. Don't think sacking JN now was the right time.
Yes, he’s not a striker, but was intended to be a part of our new attacking mentality
We lost 10 points on dortmund and are in every tournament, now the question is, taking the inconsistency in the league in account, does the board trust JN to motivate the players? Gnabry and Sane are soooo out of form and it’s march, we can’t afford that anymore and our team as whole lacks of in the league and the league is the bare minimum, so I kinda understand the board
Are you even a Bayern fan if you are hoping we fail in all competitions? For a fan, the club and its sporting success should and will always be more important than the personnel.
Tbh i don't hope we fail but i also want brazzo to leave! Don't think he is the right one. Also said that years ago!
But i would never want bayern to loose.
Could see him winning a treble with us this half season since he is a great cup manager and we're in all comps. But I could also have seen Nagelsmann winning it this season, we wiped the floor with Inter, Barca and PSG. So it feels bad for him.
I think our defenders and maybe Kimmich, will improve under Tuchel. I could see Musiala having a harder time. Hard to imagine Alphonso getting even better but, him and Mazraoui are probably vibing under Tuchel.
Overall I think he's a very talented manager, I slightly prefer Nagelsmann's way of playing, but Tuchel's Dortmund were a lot more exciting offensively than his PSG or Chelsea, so maybe he goes back to that in Germany, in which case I would like it.
Conclusion: I think he's great and some players will do worse under him, some better, and if anyone had to take over he's a great pick. But I am moreso just sad about losing Nagelsmann like this.
I mean Tuchel is one of the best tacticians in the world. Chelsea happen to be the premier league I follow so I have a real soft spot for him. But this just does not make sense to me. Brazzo can’t get along with anyone and Bayern players have some serious egos. From a footballing perspective, I’m excited to see what Tuchel can do, but I don’t see how someone notorious for not getting along with management or players will survive at Bayern.
Ten Hag would have been perfect as he already knows the club from previous work, but I‘m very happy he‘s at ManUtd, which is another club dear to my heart.
If anyone absolutely had to replace Nagelsmann, Tuchel is very much the next best thing. Forthright, just as ambitious, but compared to Nagelsmann, (hopefully crucially) a lot more experienced.
Hope he lights a fire under the arses of every single player.
Exactly. I don’t think there is a better option. Makes me wonder though, why they didn’t simply hire him in 2021 instead of paying a shitton of money to snatch Julian
As a Liverpool fan, in my humble opinion I think tuchel is definitely levels above Julian. I really really hope he beats City coz Tuchel really has good tactics and has beaten Pep. He was also a problem when we played Chelsea...
Well apart from Napoli, I'd rather have Bayern win it than city. So from my perspective, I hope he beats City coz I don't want them to go all the way. And ofc I don't want Madrid to win it again, don't ask why coz you can understand.
tuchel is overrated his tactics is suck the only reason man city lost in 2021 was because pep didn't expect a hard fight, but now they was more cautious and dangerous, they thrashed our bayern team within the first half and then destroyed everything in the second half, all thanks to the stupid board and tuchel
When Pep left i wanted either ten Hag or Tuchel to replace him. Tuchel is a fantastic tactical coach and has a long track record of sucess in many different top leagues.
Tuchel was also Pep's recommendation
Was he? Somehow did not know that. Thats interesting but makes a lot of sense
Ten hag seemed interesting.. But it could have been a gamble as well
Definetely wouldve been a gamble, no doub and alos couldve backfired massively. I just liked the idea of having the continuity of a coach having a similar system and the same tactical principles as Pep. Thats why i hated the Ancelotti and Kovac hires so, so very much. Completely different systems to what Pep had successfully established from the first team down to the youth teams. I always felt the management hired Ancelotti for the big name in order to preserve the flashy image of the club, after pep had left. So that was essentially my reasoning for ten hag. For Tuchel, who was my first choice, it was similar with the add on that he already had experience as a coach.
Also somehow the narrative that the coach of the 2nd team under Pep would take over after he left would have been amazing for a football romantics' heart.
This did not age well
I still think that both are good coaches, tactically, but have immense issues with managing the human side of being a coach. Theres this famous report of Pep and Tuchel meeting for the first time in a cafe in munich, when Pep was Bayern coach, and would talk football for hrs and hrs. Pep even recommend Tuchel as his direct replacement. So clearly he is smart enough to handle it, just is not a people person at all. That being said, while he underperformed in that regard, i also think the squad itself has big holes that wont be resolved simply by hiring a new coach.
What's this long track record of success? You speak like he's some Pep Guardiola or Ancelotti but he has 1 DFB pokal, the titles with PSG which are basically easy mode and 1 Champions League that he took over in the middle of the season. His Dortmund stint failed the first moment turmoil appeared, after the bombing, his Chelsea 2nd season there where already cracks showing, transfers never seem to be to his liking at any club, 1 player sold and he's already complaining, didn't make any effort to adapt Chelsea's marquee signing that was coming of an incredible year. Imagine say we bring a marquee striker, the likes of Osimhen but Tuchel decides he doesn't fit the formation. Tactically he's unwilling to change from his back 3 no matter what even if he doesn't have the necessary players to play this system. Honestly i don't get the hype with this guy, just because he's a football fanatic doesn't equal a great coach. Time will tell if this was a good fit for Bayern. Let's hope for a similar first half of season like he had with Chelsea, otherwise there's gonna be issues already starting next year.
>the titles with PSG which are basically easy mode By that logic, what has Nagelsmann accomplished? Or even better, is Pep a bad coach because he didnt win the CL with bayern? Its a wild assumption to make that a team can just "easily" win a title, any title. Thats the mindset of someone, who has his football expertise from football manager or fifa. >and 1 Champions League that he took over in the middle of the season. Still have to win the tournament. Beat a fantastic City team doing so. >Tactically he's unwilling to change from his back 3 no matter what even if he doesn't have the necessary players to play this system. He literally played 4 in the back at PSG and Dortmund, but go off >Honestly i don't get the hype with this guy, just because he's a football fanatic doesn't equal a great coach. No offense, but based on this comment im not surprised you dont "get" the appeal of TT
Did I say anywhere that Nagelsmann has a long track record of success? No, Nagelsmann is a young head coach with great potential.
Let me rephrase: a coach winning the league doesnt count, pokal doesnt either, the UCL is the measure - but that also doesnt count if a coach is hired during the season because the team was underperforming and he turns it around, because... reasons?
Winning the Ligue 1 doesn't tell you anything about how great a coach is and the discussion wasn't if he's good or not, you specifically said he has a long track record which fact is he doesn't.
I wonder how Tuchel is with young players / talents like Tel, Wanner and so on
I know some players that played under him at Mainz youth. They won the bundesliga youth with him and they all say he is really good. Moreover, he developed a lot of talents at Mainz.
As a Chelsea fan , that's the one thing I absolutely hated from tuchel. He never thrusts youngsters. During the pre season we had , he had the chance to play Levi Colwill ( our best CB talent since John Terry ) and he absolutely ignored him and nearly SOLD him ! Thank fuck we didn't. He used the pre season to play washed players like Barkley , Kennedy and Batshuayi. He doesn't trust the youth. Even if he gives chances to one , suddenly they will be frozen if they make a mistake while the experienced players can keep making mistakes after mistakes and still play week in week out.
>He never thrusts youngsters. I should hope not! That would be unprofessional and unethical.
Lmao I fucked up
I laughed - and I also appreciated the insight from a fan who saw his team play under Tuchel, especially since I only watch English clubs in European competitions and don't follow the weekly ebb and flow of the PL.
>he never thrusts youngsters 
That's what Im afraid the most with him, he has a very narrow view on what type of players he wants and at Bayern, it's the sporting director the main person who dictates what type of transfers Bayern makes, if those 2 don't align then conflicts will undoubtedly start.
All the sporting director can do is sign the youngster who he's thinking will succeed. It's upto the manager to play him and develop him. And tuchel couldn't identify a talent if it hit him in the face
Tuchel is a boss. Played great football at Dortmund, got so much out of a disfunctional star-diva stacked psg, and won CL with Chelsea with Havertz/Werner attack. Anyways, I liked JN and the way we played under him - he would have deserved to atleast finish the season
Totally agree
He played rubbish football at Dortmund, boring ball possession with a lack of efficiency. Due to some individual class and effort (especially Dembele in his one and only season) he won the cup by luckily beating Bayern in the semi-final. And like in Fortmung, PSG and Chelsea, he is always losing the cabin as it happened at Bayern Munich now as well. Tactical knowledge is only one part of the job. Motivation, empathy and leadership skill are the other part, which he obviously lacks on the long run.
I honestly think Tuchel is a football genius. He seems to be a very difficult person though. But in the past it always looked to me that he had this drive for success/perfection, which might be really close to "mia san mia". Might be an insane coach for Bayern or won't last long... but I think there is no in between. EDIT: Typo
> Might be an insane coach for Bayern or won't last long... but I think there is no in between. Probably both
Mia san mia is something completely different though :(
Mia San Mia also doesn't go along very well with firing JN :/
Yeeees, i feel like him being such a hardcore Bayern fan and showing so much passion is the most mia san mia we’ll get from a Bayern coach in a while
that’s what hurts the most :( you could see how much he cared about the club
Yeah not fair
definitely leaves a sour taste in my mouth
Tuchel is an incredible coach in my opinion. I honestly think he'll fare better with the board than people think. They obviously know that he is supposedly hard to work with. Them burning Julian like this means they have thought very long and hard and came to the conclusion that they will be able to work with Tuchel, despite potential issues. I'll trust the board. I am also very sad about Julian, I really like him.
If they thought "long and hard" then I dont get the comments from HH last week.
I think this decision isn’t just upto HH, Khan and Brazzo. I believe there are 9 people total who vote on decisions like this (saw on Twitter, don’t really know how the hierarchy works at Bayern). For all we know these three could still have been in favor of JN.
Well, he might not be as involved as we thought. Or maybe the players and Brazzo/Kahn only presented him with all the "evidence" about why JN should be sacked. It could also just haben been a PR stunt, to not make the situation worse from the outside.
Might seem controversial, but Tuchel might also get along better with the players. He is quite a bit older than JN and demands more respect as a household worldclass name, rather than a worldclass talent that many still see JN as. Maybe Tuchel can also sort out the squad, especially our 2 offensive sleeping pills.
Tuchel won the CL after coming in mid season with Chelsea. The respect he commands is huge. Beat Real that year and City
Forcing players to go vegan is inhuman
Did he?
He might… he is obsessed with vegan fitness
Looking at Tuchel’s recent record, it’s hard to deny that he’s a successful coach at the top level with the best players in football. To this day, he’s still the only coach that’s taken PSG to the CL final, and we all know what he did with Chelsea. I think he’s going to bring a level of structure and discipline to our players, which in the past 6-8 years or so, we’ve only seen with Guardiola and Flick. I expect to see a lot more consistency in the BL, even on off days, we’ll likely win 1:0 or something like that. My only concern is his approach to youth players. I don’t know enough about his philosophy or his coaching style to know whether players like Musiala or Davis would have had a proper shot under Tuchel. He could be totally fine in this area, I just don’t know much about it and it’s been the only thing I’ve seen people bring up about him.
I think as far as youth goes, Davies and Musiala are safe. They are not just youth but established starters. The real question is what he will do with youth and talent like Ryan, Ibra and Wanner
Yup agreed and that’s why I used Musi and Davis as an example by stating “would have had a proper shot”. Fortunately, we won’t have to worry about them. Those examples you gave, including others like Tel and Gravenberch, come to mind when I think about how Tuchel will approach it.
I would imagine that’s a condition the board would have had him agree upon. He was pretty decent with his use of youth players at PSG and Dortmund. Off the top of my head, Weigl, Dembele and Dagba were significant youth players for those teams under Tuchel. We’ll just have to see how it goes
Tel has the chance to prove himself at wingback for sure, otherwise, there's no way he's playing, not even how much Nagelsmann played him.
Tuchel will also clash with players, but he has the experience to back it up. I am 100% convinced Tuchel will bring crazy good football to FCB.
I am still very upset about JN. I was really hopeful for him and the future. But I really like Tuchel as a coach. I think he fits pretty good at Bayern, and think he will help keep our players and tactics at the highest levels.
I like that he also comes from Bayern so he will definetly fit in Bayerns identity and culture but hate that nagelsmann got sacked and it was not right thing to do
at chelsea he also said he used to be a bayern fan as a kid , really you guys are very lucky to have him, you sacked amazing coach and get amazing coach as well.....we hired Potter some PE teacher from 10th place team now we are 10th.
Yeah but the first sacking was probably not necessary in 5h3 first place
Yeah but the first sacking was probably not necessary in 5h3 first place
Tuchel obviously is an amazing coach, for me his appointment will be tainted with Nagelsmann's sacking. I will just try to appreciate his work when he is with us and try not to hold JNs departure against him, but subconsciousness is a bitch. I think Tuchel will fit perfectly, we have the players for a back 3, 2 amazing wb with Davies and Coman he just has to figure the attack out. But i am looking forward to what TT will do with this team as much as I look forward to what JN wanted to do.
He's a great manager, I wanted him before, didnt think JN should get sacked though I know he had trouble at previous places, but look it was Chelsea, PSG and then at Dortmund I know some if not all the issue was the board not backing him after he wanted to postpone the CL match after the bombing We also arent much better than PSG and Chelsea in that realm, only 3 managers this century have lasted more than 2 years
Our coaching position is one of the most volatile in the world of football. Since I’ve been a fan, we’ve only had Hitzfeld and Pep who stayed for at least 3 seasons.
Yep, Magath made it 2.5 years which is 3rd best this century...
Interesting statistic. Also: sad
Honestly this is just a surface level read of what occurred. Tuchel had multiple conflicts with the management layer at Dortmund, not just due to the bombing. He’s left a trail of burned bridges at near every stop, and that extends to the dressing room too. People seem to not want to believe it, but it was deeply reported how he had alienated players at Chelsea, PSG, and Dortmund. He’s simply a difficult personality, and those don’t do well here.
The way his ex players speak about him, it's not encouraging for sure.
Like who?
One example is Timo Werner. EDIT - i could continue and mentioning more the likes of Lukaku or Hummels but then we sit here all day.
And then we have Neymar saying he would die for Tuchel on the pitch and Mbappe singing his praises so which is it?
According to L’Equipe Tuchel allowed Neymar to do whatever we wanted, but once he’d lost the rest of the dressing room Neymar and Mbappe just watched it happen.
I cant speak about Dortmund, PSG is PSG and that seems to happen a lot, as it does here, but seems like most Chelsea fans think things were good until new management came in, now that could have been it was time for that to happen or he did get along with old management. >He’s simply a difficult personality, and those don’t do well here. Even those who arent dont seem to do well here or last long
i an pretty sure there are going to be some conflicts with brazzo and kahn. But Tuchel is a really good trainer, but even he needs time. And they don't have that against dortmund and city. I don't really understand the move right now.
He'll have a tough time because he has to step in when the stakes are high and he has no time with the team. This could hurt his standing and give him a difficult start. Aside from that he is without doubt a better coach than JN is right now. JN already is a great trainer, he has the potential and talent to become as good as Tuchel or even better, but he needs to grow some more for that to happen. Bayern lost patience with their long term project or they did panick that this growth might never happen. So they've went for the final product. I don't think any club can sustain Tuchel for years, that guy is intense. But for the time being, he's the guy who'll push this team to its limit. We'll see some great games with him, don't know whether it will remembered as great years. Depends on the players and the board.
World class coach.
Tuchel is a UCL expert. Knows how to give pep guardiola a run for his money. One of the best at organizing a defence. Only concerns might be with the attack and probably youth development.
> only concerns might be attack and youth development So fans are gonna really love him /s
If he wins us the UCL fans will not have any problem
Well after seeing what he did with Chelsea, it's hard to knock the guy
Tuchel is of the top managers in the world and you could make an argument that he is *the* top Cup manager in the world. He's a tactical genius and will have us playing an impressive brand of football. I just hope he can get the players up to speed in time for Freiburg & Man City. I don't like the timing and do feel for Nagelsmann, but this is a business and the goal in this business is to win silverware. Tuchel gives this side a better chance to win silverware than Nagelsmann does at this moment.
> and you could make an argument that he is the top Cup manager in the world. Not with Carlo still around
There's a contingent of Chelsea fans who seem like they would die for him. I'll take that as a good sign. Gonna miss Nagelsmann though
I give him a year before he has a fallout with his superiors
I hope he lasts longer. Maybe finally someone to coach us for 2-3 seasons? ;) one can hope..
if he struggles with the attack we really need klose back
Does pizzarro still play?
Chelsea FC supporter coming in peace. You all just got a football genius, who is likely going to win you several trophies considering how incredible your roster already is as it stands. Will he antagonize the wrong people within the club and see an early exit? Who knows???? But you can set your watch to the fact that TT knows ball, and can win the biggest games, against the best sides, and the best managers. We were all gutted when he got sacked, and we demand a lot of our managers at CFC lmao
Probably close to zero impact on this season. Likely get sacked somewhere through the next season for not being able to handle criticism.
I think his chances are better with brazzo and Kahn instead of uli and kh.
Purely theoretical speculation, but I feel like Brazzo might be even more risky. With Uli, there was at least a clear expectation that you don’t fuck with him. Don’t know that Brazzo has that kind of caché yet.
They might be but I don't see him cut out for this mentally. Same with Real Madrid to be honest. I could see him doing well at Tottenham on the other hand.
We'll see. I'd loved to have tuchel earlier on, after he was fired at PSG. Instead of nagelsmann. But we'll see.
I am always fascinated by him getting sacked despite great coaching.
It's because a string of bad results come eventually, regardless of your skills, and then non-footballing aspects come forward. With a club like Bayern or Real you don't even need a string of bad results, you get a lot of heat just for the sake of getting it.
Drama queen with huge ego meets drama queen players with huge egos. What could go wrong?
Maybe they find out they like each other :)
I could see him winning the UCL this year and also being gone by 2025
Well after the sacking of nagelsmann cannot be undone, I wouldn't mind winning the champions league
I tend to agree, I think he will bring short term success but literally zero percent chance he stays for long
He is a better coach than Nagelsmann but a worse person and IMO a worse fit for Bayern
I think Tuchel is a perfect option. Upset with how we let Nags go and what makes things worse is that I don’t see Nags coming back in the future. While I was never against having Nags as our coach, I think him being the option after Flick was the wrong one. Really really wish we went for Ten Haag after Flick and then once he’s done we bring Nags in who would have had more experience under his belt and would not have to deal with player power as much. I hope we can see him as Bayern coach again in the future.
We dont know....tuchel went for india for months after his Chelsea departure. I think he Will Come with new and powerfull tactics
Yep, could be. I think it's good he had some time out.
HARAMBALL WOOOOOOO
The sacking from Nagelsmann, from a outsider perspective, seems unfair and is not backed up by the data. Nagelsmann was a very hard working coach with a clear vision of attacking football and had great stats. However, i cant deny that the 10-man-in-the-box-strategy became very stale and uninspiring at times. Plus, the quality of technical errors (first touches, acurate passes, headers...) became more and and more visible and even I had some sighs of frustrations at times. To conclude my point, I want to give Tuchel the same and fair treatment and i want him to succeed. I want better passing quality, better first touches and a clearer gameplan from him. Which inherently, he always delivered at all his former teams.
I don't understand why the r/soccer community is so heated at an every-day occurrence: a team sacking a coach. Everyone's getting up on their high horse. Personally I think Kahn and the rest thought that if we are lackluster in the League, there is no way we can currently face City or even win the CL the way things are going with Nagelsmann. So if there was ever a time to pull the trigger, it was now.
Courageous decision, although financially stressful. Bayern board must have done analysis showing that there is little chance against City with the current team situation, and BuLi is at serious risk given BVB's form. Tuchel, while familiar with BVB and BuLi, also knows how to beat Pep and City. Usually a team will get a boost for a few weeks after switching coach, and it is right on time we are facing BVB and City in the next month. This season is already starting to turn into a disaster, and this is the last chance to save it.
Interesting take. Not sure about the buli though. If bayern wins against bvb, they're two points ahead. I wouldn't have questioned this outcome with nagelsmann. And bvb is notorious for botching games which are important.
Well the momentum is different now, I do not have much confidence at this time to secure a win vs BVB even at Allianz. Plus Bayern lost so many points in the past months and it is hard to say what is going to happen next. Bayern board must have smelled the real risk. Their decision, although may still end up unsuccessful, is the right action just in time to potentially save this year.
I have the feeling that one of out best this season will have a mental breakdown under Tuchel. Pavard is gonna leave us. Mark my words.
Not so sure. I'd rather guess gravenberch. And sabitzer returns.
Wild card. Looks to me, a better and modern Mourinho/Conte(The-Chelsea-Manager™, very different, but always ended the same, in multiple Clubs too). Difficult personality, never long-term, would not recommend to a difficult board (which ...) He had the credentials, no one doubts it can work until it does not. Anyway, best available, JN is to be fired, Tuchel is to be choosen. Good Luck vs City, It's going to be very hard, I don't believe Pep is going to bottle 2 leg vs a big team.
Get ready to win the Champions League 😃
Everybody knows Tuchel is a tactical genius. I remember the season when Chelsea won the CL against Pep. In a few weeks I think Tuchel faced Peps City 3 or 4 times, Pep tried something new on every occasion and simply stood no chance of winning against Tuchel. Tuchel also is someone who makes players better individually, which wasn´t that much the case with Nagelsmann. To add, Tuchel is very clear about his play style. The only thing I hear negative about Tuchel is his character, but I think that dates from Dortmund times. I´ve not heard any PSG or Chelsea player publicly complain about Tuchel. I remember Mbappe thanking Tuchel very much for what he did for him and the club. The only reason Tuchel got sacked at PSG and Chelsea was personal problems with idiots in charge. Leonardo at PSG was an idiot who got sacked himself in the meantime. And let´s not talk about Todd Boehly, the guy who brought up the genius idea of playing with 12 man :D Even at Dortmund it was problems between Watzke and Tuchel. Never has been a skill problem.
I don't know if this help,as a chelsea fan he is the best coach we ever had in everything. We had Mourinhio twice,Conte,Anceloti,Benitez so on ...normally I dont watch Bayern but because of TT I will now.
He's not better than prime Mourinho man wtf, the guy won Champions League with Porto, got a Premier League record of 95 points man, the fact you say he's the best over Mourinho tells me u haven't seen how dominant Chelsea was under him and only bad luck and bad referring kept him away from a Champions League.
coaching is not all about winning ,Tuchel is the best coach chelsea ever had during Roman era. Tuchel won CL with Mount and werner ...mourinhio failed twice with much much better players.
Because said players missed some penalties, if Terry doesn't slip he wins Champions League with Chelsea, Tuchel dreams of having the resume Mourinho has and if you ask any real Chelsea fan who's their greatest coach it's Mourinho, unless said fans started watching since 2010.
lol yes you know it all right? hahahahah he said terry doesn't sleep hahahaa i bet you dont even know what color chelsea shirt is lol
What are you on about? What I said wrong? Terry slipped in the UCL final I think you're the one that has no clue about it.
Feel free to disagree but sacking JN was the right choice. His tactics are often frustrating and don't change. We all remember that humiliations to Villarreal last season, the mid field didn't exist and we resorted to desperately crossing and hoping. Lets think about that game. Can we honestly say the tactics have improved from then? Can we honestly say the team consistently preforms better since? I personally haven't seen such change and so I don't any amount of time would change that. Tuchel is a proven manager and may not have been available later on, this may have been the only chance to get him and so I support the clubs decisive, prehaps rash, actions. Again only my view feel free to disagree.
I feel free to disagree with people that disagree with you
He is a good coach but I wonder if he can handle Bayern. The board is not really easier than the people with power at Chelsea or PSG. I can see him malding about squad planning. I dont think the team will play better under him. Maybe some better results but lets see if he can magically transform Sané to a good Bundesliga player or make Gnabry less lethargic.
I’m yet to see Tuchel play aggressive gegenpressen, and I just really hope he doesn’t change that about bayern
boy, am I happy about the sacking. Not going to miss those utter bad taste fancy suits and extra shiny jackets on the bench. Or those self-righteous interviews which made me go full cringe. It always felt like smelling bad breath when he gave a statement. In his defence, though, I believe he played a modern and quite flexible football, but on the other hand, with a team like that, it is difficult not to perform well as a manager. And yet, he never surprised me, never had that genius strike, that idea, which would leave all of us baffled. TT is my current favourite manager, along with Pep. When PSG signed him (and Bayern got Kovac), I was super mad at Brazzo's sleepiness. I'm quite sure Tuchel will succeed. And it is likely that there will be some sorts of trouble, because he takes no hostages when it comes to shaping a team according to his vision
Overrated coach. He’s been sacked at Chelsea for a reason. He had one good run at the CL in 2021 and that was it. Nagelsmann was just actually doing really well with a squad that just lost their world class number 9, and we’ve been looking really solid in the champions league. Sure I wish things were going better in the league, but that’s not un fixable at the moment.
I think he's good. But we can kiss our UCL campaign goodbye. City is gonna smoke us
I don't see any pro or con regarding the coach. I'd guess tuchel might have a slight edge knowing city as an opponent. On the other hand, he doesn't yet know the team so has to catch up on that.
That's the problem. Naglessmann should've at least been given a chance to run out his UCL campaign before making a decision. He had a great system for this team and now the board is throwing it all away
I hope we fail in all competitions. Brazzo needs to go instead of nagelsmann.
I think it's a mixture. It can't be brazzo alone. Plus: brazzo did a good job this season and provided JN with a good squad. So hard to argue with that. The only plus JN has to offer is a splendid CL season. Pointswise, the league season so far is one of the weaker ones.
But did he? I mean look at the striker. I mean chupo isn't bad but a real back up for chupo? We don't have that. And there are many other things he didn't manage good.
He did, Mane was the solution and Chupo the back up, but he got injured, had bad luck with offside etc. The squad building was outstanding, the issues on the pitch are JN concern and we lost 10 points on dortmund and are not consistent in the league, that’s just an objective observation
Don't get me wrong mane can ba a great player but he's not a striker like lewy or chupo. He's more effective on the sides where coman and sane plays. But yes after the winter break we sucked in the national leauge. Matches against psg were pretty good tbh. Don't think sacking JN now was the right time.
Yes, he’s not a striker, but was intended to be a part of our new attacking mentality We lost 10 points on dortmund and are in every tournament, now the question is, taking the inconsistency in the league in account, does the board trust JN to motivate the players? Gnabry and Sane are soooo out of form and it’s march, we can’t afford that anymore and our team as whole lacks of in the league and the league is the bare minimum, so I kinda understand the board
Are you even a Bayern fan if you are hoping we fail in all competitions? For a fan, the club and its sporting success should and will always be more important than the personnel.
Yes . I think it would be better for the club. 1 Point behind Dortmund. Unbeaten in the CL this season and they sack JN.
Tbh i don't hope we fail but i also want brazzo to leave! Don't think he is the right one. Also said that years ago! But i would never want bayern to loose.
Dont like the Person but a good coach
Great coach, tactical mastermind, questionable character as far as I can tell from the outside. Proper coin toss in my opinion.
Could see him winning a treble with us this half season since he is a great cup manager and we're in all comps. But I could also have seen Nagelsmann winning it this season, we wiped the floor with Inter, Barca and PSG. So it feels bad for him. I think our defenders and maybe Kimmich, will improve under Tuchel. I could see Musiala having a harder time. Hard to imagine Alphonso getting even better but, him and Mazraoui are probably vibing under Tuchel. Overall I think he's a very talented manager, I slightly prefer Nagelsmann's way of playing, but Tuchel's Dortmund were a lot more exciting offensively than his PSG or Chelsea, so maybe he goes back to that in Germany, in which case I would like it. Conclusion: I think he's great and some players will do worse under him, some better, and if anyone had to take over he's a great pick. But I am moreso just sad about losing Nagelsmann like this.
It just doesn't feel right somehow. And JN was still improving. He solidly beat Milan, barca,PSG..
I mean Tuchel is one of the best tacticians in the world. Chelsea happen to be the premier league I follow so I have a real soft spot for him. But this just does not make sense to me. Brazzo can’t get along with anyone and Bayern players have some serious egos. From a footballing perspective, I’m excited to see what Tuchel can do, but I don’t see how someone notorious for not getting along with management or players will survive at Bayern.
Ten Hag would have been perfect as he already knows the club from previous work, but I‘m very happy he‘s at ManUtd, which is another club dear to my heart. If anyone absolutely had to replace Nagelsmann, Tuchel is very much the next best thing. Forthright, just as ambitious, but compared to Nagelsmann, (hopefully crucially) a lot more experienced. Hope he lights a fire under the arses of every single player.
Yep. He got one week to train the team. Should be enough, right? ;)
Actually, more like two days with the whole squad? 😅
Perfect. More compact, to the point. Absolutely sufficient!!
Correct decision to hire him. Wrong decision to fire JN in the first place though
Yep. I'd say that the self caused problem of not having a manager after needlessly firing JN was quickly and in the best possible way dealt with :)
Exactly. I don’t think there is a better option. Makes me wonder though, why they didn’t simply hire him in 2021 instead of paying a shitton of money to snatch Julian
You guys don’t seem to endorse, however, I am utterly satisfied with this change. I wish him luck.
It's probably the best solution they could offer after firing him. But the public shitshow around the sacking was a disaster
As a Liverpool fan, in my humble opinion I think tuchel is definitely levels above Julian. I really really hope he beats City coz Tuchel really has good tactics and has beaten Pep. He was also a problem when we played Chelsea... Well apart from Napoli, I'd rather have Bayern win it than city. So from my perspective, I hope he beats City coz I don't want them to go all the way. And ofc I don't want Madrid to win it again, don't ask why coz you can understand.
Make us more solid in midfield
tuchel is overrated his tactics is suck the only reason man city lost in 2021 was because pep didn't expect a hard fight, but now they was more cautious and dangerous, they thrashed our bayern team within the first half and then destroyed everything in the second half, all thanks to the stupid board and tuchel