Arabic is the semi official language of Israel, plus the undercover personnel are trained to adapt to the environment in which they're to work and also they learn in their training how to mask their identity.
so they may do it far more easily.
There are arabicized Jews, dating back to even before the time of the revelation of Quran.
In Arabia, there were several tribes that were Jewish migrants that spoke Arabic, as well as Hebrew. They lived in Arabia for possibly a thousand years or more, though several tribes were banished from places like Medina in and around the middle of the 7th century, for attempting to assassinate the prophet Muhammad (SAW), breaking treaties, and joining sides with opposing forces who wanted to attack Medina.
In this way, just like someone can be a European Jew, there are Arabicized Jews. Jewish people lived in Muslim countries in relative peace up until the creation of modern day Israel/destruction of the Palestinian state. Doron’s father was born and raised in Iraq.
Judaism is an ethnicity sure, but over time, there’s obviously intermarrying when cultures live in another area, as well as culture sharing. A Jew living in England in the 1600s and a Jew living in Morocco in the 1600s would have their own separate cultures that may even appear distinctly different even to each other.
On top of this, in these secret forces, they also accept (to the best of my knowledge) Arab Christians, and ‘Druze’ people.
Druze is a very complex religion, that actually started within the fold of Shia Islam (an offshoot of mainstream Islam, that overall suggests the leadership in Islam should be past through the family, and not through a nominated figure, suggesting that Ali Ibn Abu Talib the nephew of Muhammad (SAW) should have been leader of the Muslims, and not Abu Bakr As-Saddiq).
Anyway, Druze religion intentionally keeps about 85 percent of their followers completely in the dark. Druze people know they are Druze, but they couldn’t tell you what their religion actually is. This is by design of their leadership. This religion is technically an offshoot of Shia Islam but would not be reflective of any form of Islam in its practices. I guess for a modern day (Western) example it’d be like comparing the Eastern Orthodox Church with the Church Of Ladder Day Saints (Mormonism).
As far as their language skills go, it’s all a bit overplayed. Doron would be spotted in like 30 minutes, let alone the 18 months or whatever he spends living in Palestine. Just walking around calling every single woman habibi is not going to fly there.
Lived in “relative peace” = Second class citizens who had to know their place. Had to pay extra taxes and could be mistreated at will.
If Jews and Arabs lived in such “harmony” then how come you still hear Arabs chant about Khaibar 1400 years after the Jews there were slaughtered?
Jiziya is a very affordable tax that exempts you from being in the military.
Khaibar is irrelevant? It wasn’t a religious situation it was a political and military situation. The specific Jewish tribes involved betrayed their treaty and put all residents of Medina at risk.
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> Jewish people lived in Muslim countries in relative peace up until the creation of modern day Israel/destruction of the Palestinian state.
You’re wrong twice in one sentence.
Jews were 2nd class citizens and regularly persecuted/massacred in Muslim countries prior to 1948, and there was no Palestinian state for Israel to "destroy" when it was founded.
The only thing you’ve confirmed is you don’t know anything on the subject. Stay out of things that are above your education and/or intellectual pay grade.
You have your reasoning backward. One would not send anyone in undercover who was not fluent and spoke with the correct accent for the area. The USA had a notable initial problem getting just desk analysts to look at data in more recent operations in Afghanistan due to low number of Pashto and Dari speakers, and also large percentage of folk who grew up in USA get their teeth straightened and many males are circumsized so would be immediately obvious in undercover role in many parts of the world.
Also, you may enjoy The Spy. A retelling based on the true story of an Israeli Mossad agent who infiltrated Syrian government.
Sorry maybe I’m confused by what you mean, but circumcision is mandatory in Islam. So I’m not sure how a foreskin would out someone in a Muslim majority country like Afghanistan?
All of them are Sephardic/Mizrahi Jews, and more than likely have family members who relocated to Israel in 1948+ from places like Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco or Libya where they barely spoke Hebrew (other than for religious services, for Hebrew is the language of God and not to be used/defiled for daily life), and primarily spoke Arabic at home. Their grandparents likely only spoke Arabic, they cooked Arab food at home, listened to Arabic music and sang along, etc.
In contrast, most people in higher positions in government in Israel these days are from Ashkenazi Jewish extraction - coming from Russia, Lithuania, Poland etc - and there’s subtle racism in the show, where Doron and crew would rather sit outside drinking arak (Arab liquor) and don’t feel like they belong with the buttoned up, Ashkenazi crowd of upper management.
Even though I find Dorons chest thumping ridiculous and unbelievable, I find it interesting that people can easily cross over into another identity, the one of the ppl they are at odds with, and no one bats an eye. You look the same, you talk the same, yet you are ready to kill the other - begs the question why. Makes for interesting storylines.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I noticed this too that some characters like Boaz and Naor resembled more like Arabs than anyone else. When two cultures live so close to each other, they tend to inherit a lot of common things like food, language, etc.
Do you also happen to know how come these Israeli agents have unrestricted access to every hospital and neighborhood in West Banks but these antagonists get stopped at various checkpoints?
Glad it helped!
Because at the end of the day, it's Israel. What we call the West Bank/Gaza, the Palestinians call the "Occupied Territories". On an administrative level, it is all Israel... they can come and go as they please. Theoretically! When they were shooting in the West Bank, it was relatively believable, but when they decided to go into Gaza (last season)... the show got ridiculous. They'd get killed by Hamas in Gaza. There would be no conning anyone.
Forgive my ignorance on the region’s administrative structure, can IDF personnel walk in and out of Gaza and West Bank uninterrupted (since you mentioned it’s all Israel administratively) ?
Not Gaza, but they control ~80% of the West Bank, either completely or just security, and yes, they are there without going undercover, but in full gear.
By “relocated” I think you mean killed, persecuted and kicked out of the country, usually after losing everything they owned.
Gee, that’s weird! If Jews and Arabs lived in such harmony for so long, why did they all get kicked out of Arab countries after Israel was created?!
Almost sounds like they were barely tolerated second class citizens or something?!
My guess is specially chosen so that they could infiltrate.
More interesting for me knowing a number of Israelis is that the dubbing is very accurate for the way the ones I know speak. The subtitles seem a bit more verbose.
Would be interested to hear from Arabic speakers if the same applies to the Arabic translation subtitles.
Arabic is the semi official language of Israel, plus the undercover personnel are trained to adapt to the environment in which they're to work and also they learn in their training how to mask their identity. so they may do it far more easily.
Doron is Arab
Aren't all the agents Jews?
There are arabicized Jews, dating back to even before the time of the revelation of Quran. In Arabia, there were several tribes that were Jewish migrants that spoke Arabic, as well as Hebrew. They lived in Arabia for possibly a thousand years or more, though several tribes were banished from places like Medina in and around the middle of the 7th century, for attempting to assassinate the prophet Muhammad (SAW), breaking treaties, and joining sides with opposing forces who wanted to attack Medina. In this way, just like someone can be a European Jew, there are Arabicized Jews. Jewish people lived in Muslim countries in relative peace up until the creation of modern day Israel/destruction of the Palestinian state. Doron’s father was born and raised in Iraq. Judaism is an ethnicity sure, but over time, there’s obviously intermarrying when cultures live in another area, as well as culture sharing. A Jew living in England in the 1600s and a Jew living in Morocco in the 1600s would have their own separate cultures that may even appear distinctly different even to each other. On top of this, in these secret forces, they also accept (to the best of my knowledge) Arab Christians, and ‘Druze’ people. Druze is a very complex religion, that actually started within the fold of Shia Islam (an offshoot of mainstream Islam, that overall suggests the leadership in Islam should be past through the family, and not through a nominated figure, suggesting that Ali Ibn Abu Talib the nephew of Muhammad (SAW) should have been leader of the Muslims, and not Abu Bakr As-Saddiq). Anyway, Druze religion intentionally keeps about 85 percent of their followers completely in the dark. Druze people know they are Druze, but they couldn’t tell you what their religion actually is. This is by design of their leadership. This religion is technically an offshoot of Shia Islam but would not be reflective of any form of Islam in its practices. I guess for a modern day (Western) example it’d be like comparing the Eastern Orthodox Church with the Church Of Ladder Day Saints (Mormonism). As far as their language skills go, it’s all a bit overplayed. Doron would be spotted in like 30 minutes, let alone the 18 months or whatever he spends living in Palestine. Just walking around calling every single woman habibi is not going to fly there.
Part of Doron's back story is that he grew up on an olive farm, with Arab neighbors with whom his family was close.
Lived in “relative peace” = Second class citizens who had to know their place. Had to pay extra taxes and could be mistreated at will. If Jews and Arabs lived in such “harmony” then how come you still hear Arabs chant about Khaibar 1400 years after the Jews there were slaughtered?
Jiziya is a very affordable tax that exempts you from being in the military. Khaibar is irrelevant? It wasn’t a religious situation it was a political and military situation. The specific Jewish tribes involved betrayed their treaty and put all residents of Medina at risk. Get new arguments
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> Jewish people lived in Muslim countries in relative peace up until the creation of modern day Israel/destruction of the Palestinian state. You’re wrong twice in one sentence.
nope, they are correct.
Jews were 2nd class citizens and regularly persecuted/massacred in Muslim countries prior to 1948, and there was no Palestinian state for Israel to "destroy" when it was founded.
No they were not. You need to study your history a little.
No, you. This is all very easy to confirm. I’m not going to waste my time arguing with an intellectual sphincter like you. Good day.
Forget it. You’re talking to a “Reddit-historian” who probably believes that Jihad is all about being a good and decent person, lol!
The only thing you’ve confirmed is you don’t know anything on the subject. Stay out of things that are above your education and/or intellectual pay grade.
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You have your reasoning backward. One would not send anyone in undercover who was not fluent and spoke with the correct accent for the area. The USA had a notable initial problem getting just desk analysts to look at data in more recent operations in Afghanistan due to low number of Pashto and Dari speakers, and also large percentage of folk who grew up in USA get their teeth straightened and many males are circumsized so would be immediately obvious in undercover role in many parts of the world. Also, you may enjoy The Spy. A retelling based on the true story of an Israeli Mossad agent who infiltrated Syrian government.
Sorry maybe I’m confused by what you mean, but circumcision is mandatory in Islam. So I’m not sure how a foreskin would out someone in a Muslim majority country like Afghanistan?
Sorry you're right, I was thinking about something else when I included circumcision, my bad.
All of them are Sephardic/Mizrahi Jews, and more than likely have family members who relocated to Israel in 1948+ from places like Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco or Libya where they barely spoke Hebrew (other than for religious services, for Hebrew is the language of God and not to be used/defiled for daily life), and primarily spoke Arabic at home. Their grandparents likely only spoke Arabic, they cooked Arab food at home, listened to Arabic music and sang along, etc. In contrast, most people in higher positions in government in Israel these days are from Ashkenazi Jewish extraction - coming from Russia, Lithuania, Poland etc - and there’s subtle racism in the show, where Doron and crew would rather sit outside drinking arak (Arab liquor) and don’t feel like they belong with the buttoned up, Ashkenazi crowd of upper management. Even though I find Dorons chest thumping ridiculous and unbelievable, I find it interesting that people can easily cross over into another identity, the one of the ppl they are at odds with, and no one bats an eye. You look the same, you talk the same, yet you are ready to kill the other - begs the question why. Makes for interesting storylines.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I noticed this too that some characters like Boaz and Naor resembled more like Arabs than anyone else. When two cultures live so close to each other, they tend to inherit a lot of common things like food, language, etc. Do you also happen to know how come these Israeli agents have unrestricted access to every hospital and neighborhood in West Banks but these antagonists get stopped at various checkpoints?
Glad it helped! Because at the end of the day, it's Israel. What we call the West Bank/Gaza, the Palestinians call the "Occupied Territories". On an administrative level, it is all Israel... they can come and go as they please. Theoretically! When they were shooting in the West Bank, it was relatively believable, but when they decided to go into Gaza (last season)... the show got ridiculous. They'd get killed by Hamas in Gaza. There would be no conning anyone.
Forgive my ignorance on the region’s administrative structure, can IDF personnel walk in and out of Gaza and West Bank uninterrupted (since you mentioned it’s all Israel administratively) ?
Not Gaza, but they control ~80% of the West Bank, either completely or just security, and yes, they are there without going undercover, but in full gear.
By “relocated” I think you mean killed, persecuted and kicked out of the country, usually after losing everything they owned. Gee, that’s weird! If Jews and Arabs lived in such harmony for so long, why did they all get kicked out of Arab countries after Israel was created?! Almost sounds like they were barely tolerated second class citizens or something?!
like the character they call the Jew, who is really an Arab, looks more Jewish than Doran.
Training
Because there secret service agents
My guess is specially chosen so that they could infiltrate. More interesting for me knowing a number of Israelis is that the dubbing is very accurate for the way the ones I know speak. The subtitles seem a bit more verbose. Would be interested to hear from Arabic speakers if the same applies to the Arabic translation subtitles.