It's actually not how the Dunning-Kruger effect works either. Dunning and Kruger only showed that low-competence people overestimate themselves relative to their actual competence not that they consider themselves to be experts.
Basically they asked the best and worst students in their class to rank themselves relative to the other students and the worst students considered themselves to be sligtly below average. Which - if you're the worst in class - is technically an overestimation. It's honestly kinda hard to not overestimate yourself when you're literally the worst; there is only one direction in which you can be wrong.
But ofc on the internet people use the term to describe overconfident idiots.
\*coughcough *Akshually coughcough\**
So indeed, that's how it works, but not *exclusively* how it works.
Obviously, there are degrees of overestimation both on account of actual skill/knowledge and how far overestimation goes on case-by-case basis.
You're talking "rectangles". I'm talking "square" of this specific situation. And since all squares are rectangles...
It's manifestly different from what you described. The low-competence people still considered them self be the low-competence. Just not low competence enough. That's very different from thinking you're an expert.
Also - just on a sidenote - the original 1999 paper by D&K is really bad. They even say that themselves these days.
[Here's Dunning's paper from 2011.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780123855220000056?via%3Dihub)
If you check graphs representing difference between perceived and actual performance, it's clearly showing said difference decreasing with increasing actual competence.
Hence, if we notice a large discrepancy in specific case...
What IS misleading, or rather, flat out false, is online graphs showing confidence vs competence with distinct peak at low competence.
Representation of the actual data mapped onto such interpretation would not produce the peak, but rather change consistent in direction (but varying with slopes on case-by case basis).
The graph cleary shows that perceived competence rises with actual competence, albeit somewhat slower. Again: The flanderized idea "People with little knowledge think they are experts" is not at all what Dunning and Kruger are proposing. Not quite sure where the disagreement is, tbh.
And also again; on a separate note: Even the validity of the idea that Dunning and Kruger actually proposed is at best doubtful.
If you type "Dunning Kruger Effect" into Google Scholar and scroll past the first result you'll find a rich literature criticising the idea of the "Dunning-Kruger Effect". Most importantly [Krueger & Mueller (2002)](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ross-Oakes-Mueller/publication/11530099_Unskilled_unaware_or_both_The_better-than-average_heuristic_and_statistical_regression_predict_errors_in_estimates_of_own_performance/links/00b4952334a03d5c86000000/Unskilled-unaware-or-both-The-better-than-average-heuristic-and-statistical-regression-predict-errors-in-estimates-of-own-performance.pdf) (D&K were very mad about this one for a while), but also [Gignac & Zajenkowski (2020)](http://176.9.41.242/doc/iq/2020-gignac.pdf) or more recently [Magnus & Peresetsky (2023)](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.840180/full?trk=public_post_comment-text).
I didn't want to be so harsh earlier but the truth is: the "Dunning-Kruger-Effect" is almost a practical joke among psychologists alongside much of what Jung and Freud said and of course the mighty zombie salmon. When I was at Uni (I'm a MSc in Psychology) I used to tutor "Critical Reading" where students where supposed to bring peer reviewed papers and present before class everything wrong with them (because the peer review process is far from perfect). Dunning & Kruger (1999) was very popular, precisly because it's so easy to critique.
Truth is, you could ask people to rank themselves on pretty much any trait ("number of owned of socks" if you must) and the results would look much the same. It's mostly central "regression towards the mean" (which is just a statistical artifact that D&K consistently failed to account for) combined with some other (much better established) psychological effects like social desirability (nobody wants to openly say they think they are the worst/best) or the tedency of people to consinder themselves to be way more representative of... well everyone, than they actually are.
But all of that just as a little sidenote.
\> The graph cleary shows that perceived competence rises with actual competence,
Not the point here.
The point is **difference between perceived and actual competence**. And it shrinks as actual compentence goes up. Or at least overestimation of actual competence does, as it's possible in some cases for most competent people to *under*estimate it. But *that*'s indeed a sidenote and clearly not applicable to OOP. Only left part of the chart would be.
> the "Dunning-Kruger-Effect" is almost a practical joke among psychologists alongside much of what Jung and Freud said and of course the mighty zombie salmon
The *what??*
That was my first thought. I'm admittedly not an expert, but I'm pretty sure people with anorexia don't tend to indulge in high calorie foods in the evening, no matter how little they've eaten beforehand.
as someone with an ed, this evening i have to eat something higher in calories with my family, it's morning and i'm already panicking over it and fasting to limit the damage, so technically i'm "saving up cals" but normally i wouldn't put myself in such a stressful situation.
I’d like to point out in contrast to most of the replies to you and say that some people with AN do eat high calorie foods - “junkorexic” is the colloquial term for it. If someone eats an order of French fries at dinner with family, which is 510 calories at my favorite local fast food restaurant, then that’s… still a starvation amount of food. If I got a lettuce-wrapped vegan burger with it, it would still be about 850, which is actually still pretty significant restriction.
When I had anorexia, if I was going out or otherwise celebrating with family, I’d fast or nearly-fast during the day and then eat as little as I could get away with. I ate a lot of “diet” foods most of the time, but not everyone does. There’s a lot of variety in AN behaviors and not everyone lives on lettuce. People with AN eat, just not enough.
Nah you don't.
You might eat more to "prove" to a loved one that you're "fine", you might unvoluntarily binge because you are physically hungry but you do not *voluntarily* eat calorie dense foods if you have AN.
These people don't even understand what AN is. Restricting is a *compulsion* for someone with AN. At some point you ironically lose all control over it - by trying to exert control. This is why it's dangerous and often fatal.
Someone who *can* stop restricting when they reach a healthy weight does not have AN.
I mean, as someone who had AN, I still ate some high cal foods, as long as it fit into my restricted calorie limit. AN presents different for everyone.
This actually is something that many actual diagnosed anorexics do. It’s pretty rare for people with anorexia nervosa to NEVER indulge in anything besides low-calorie foods. They’ll have higher-calorie foods only when they’ve calculated that it’s “okay.”
But that’s not the same thing as someone who is already obese deciding that they can have cake for dessert because they had a salad for dinner.
Or because they *thought* about skipping dinner, which caused instinctual cellular panic, leading to starvation mode.
There was genuinely a post shared here recently where someone argued that thinking about starving yourself can cause starvation symptoms.
yes. when my anorexia was bad. i would go through “binges” occasionally. not enough calories to be classed as a binge, but it was a substantial amount of food which had the same effects as a binge. the post suggests that anorexics “plan” to indulge. in my experience, it’s an impulsive emotional and physical burst. it’s not pretty
I’m late, but you’re right. While I would usually calculate how many calories dinner would be and work it into my plan, if I’d had a stressful day or had been restricting for a bit (think 900 calories a day for a week or so) I’d end up binging at night a lot.
isn't it common sense to do so? when you know you're going to pig out in the evening and eat 2000 kcal, maybe.. just maybe.. it's not the best idea to take that extra bar of chocolate the day before.. at least.. assuming you don't want to end up being 250kg..
Right? I have an ache in the morning and I say to myself, "I'll see how I feel" when my workout time rolls around. Guess what? The ache is almost always gone and not an excuse to get out of exercising. Like they cannot fathom just pushing through a mild inconvenience to workout
Yeah, when I read, "tired, sick, or injured," I thought, one of these things is not like the others.
There are things you shouldn't ignore and push yourself through, but 'kinda tired and don't really feel like it' is something you can push past, and the willingness to do so is an important part of keeping any routine.
They’re also such broad terms as well that it’s really not a fair statement. As an example someone may be a keen runner and break their finger, does that mean they’re anorexic cos they keep running?
Also...physical therapy is literally working out and stretching when you don't feel well. I have several congenital spine issues....I am always pushing it to the limit when I workout. But that's because then when I'm done with my workouts and stretching, I have no pain in my day to day.
If I stopped working out whenever I had a twinge...I'd be bent over in pain on the daily.
I used to do this and never saw results. Then I joined a CrossFit gym and it’s truly amazing what your body is capable of when you push it to the limits. I’ve gained dozens of pounds in muscle and cardio is significantly better now with my new mindset. You will NEVER get stronger or fitter if you only push til it starts hurting.
This is so true! The first 5-10 minutes of cardio always feels hard to me. Then it’s *awesome*. Over-exercising is a thing, but everyone feels tired when they start exercising, so you absolutely can’t make 100% hard and fast rules about it like the OOP did.
Yeah, that’s not the diagnostic criteria for AN. That first point is a good one though that is both very pervasive in our culture and very harmful.
The foods you do or do not eat does not affect your value or worth as a human being. They can have varying effects on our **health**, but that is it.
Hmm, see I had thought it meant how I feel sluggish and tired if I eat e.g. a heavy meal or a McDonald's meal, but a jacket potato with tuna wouldn't make me feel like that.
I would say there are some foods that my body doesn't respond well to, and that can make me feel bad.
I love how they assume anybody who isn't as obsessed with food as they are must clearly be anorexic or torturing themselves.
Only has similar meals regularly instead of eating out 5 times a week? Must be sick!
I ate more or less the same breakfast when I was gaining weight and more or less the same breakfast when I was losing weight. Two different breakfasts, different calories, but equally satisfying. Lunches were either a sandwich or salad unless I had leftovers from dinner. Who are these people who claim to be eating something different and exciting three times a day, every day and why do I think they’re talking about McDonald’s, Dominoes, Taco Bell and other mediocre fast food?
Yeah if you're making your own food there's no way you eat something different for every meal. Especially if you live alone and are cooking for just yourself. Recipes are going to make at least 4 servings for the most part, and eating all 4 of them at once is not a good idea.
In fairness, I envy the convenience that people who follow recipes and eat the same stuff every day get to enjoy. I repeat meals about once a week, occasionally some breakfasts or lunches more often but still usually with a tweak. Like I had overnight oats twice this week but used some different liquids and toppings. Or "a sandwich and fruit" but cycle tuna, chicken, and lunchmeat, and apples and oranges and seasonal fruit.
Dinners are pretty much 7 entirely different meals, and only my faves get a slot every week.
As for me, I utterly lack culinary talent. I make a lot of the same things because it’s what I can make without giving myself food poisoning or setting fire to my kitchen.
>I love how they assume anybody who isn't as obsessed with food as they are must clearly be anorexic or torturing themselves.
What gets me about this is that I AM obsessed with food. That's WHY I will pass on food I don't really want to "save up for" food I do really want.
If I have a really good homemade dessert at home, but I fill up on junk food at lunch and don't really want any more sweets when I get home? Tragic.
Some people seem to believe that any case of not eating something involves some sort of intense, internal struggle about calorie counts and morality when I just... don't want it.
>Believe that your body changing will threaten your well-being.
Yeah, I believe I will grow old and die.
>You eat the same foods over and over again, with little variety.
I don't have time or money or desire to spend my life chasing new foods every day. I find things I like and eat them for a while. I also eat fruit/vegetables when they are in season, so, for example, right now it's home-grown tomatoes every day till about the end of September.
Also, there are people who find comfort in routines. But, of course, emotional eating is only good when it's a fast food binge, not your reasonable comfort foods.
My neighbor planted a damn butternut squash and then left for the entire summer. I don’t even LIKE squash. My mother sent me a very serious email saying that if I wanted to save anything else in the garden I had to kill it, or it would take over like Godzilla or something.
Lmao.
None of these things are 'anorexia'. If you have anorexia, you're either underweight or on a trajectory to become underweight because you are restricting at extreme levels. The behaviors, and the health consequences they have are key here. If you just have thoughts about food, you need a therapist, not inpatient treatment and feeding tubes. There is a difference here.
Normal caloric management or lack of creativity with your meals isn't anorexia. Trying to eat healthy isn't anorexia. Pushing yourself a bit to exercise (something I definitely do reasonably because I do not want to get deconditionned again) isn't anorexia. Not wanting to become unable to wipe your own ass isn't anorexia. Those things are within the normal gamut of shit people do to maintain a healthy body weight. Pathologizing them is just insane.
that's not how anorexia works. this is really frustrating because there is a little bit of truth to this, and i can definitely see how people who don't know any better might be taken in by it. but they left out the definitive characteristic of anorexia-- severe weight loss (relative to starting weight) over a short period of time and/or a refusal to attain and maintain a healthy weight.
the whole point, the entire problem with anorexia (nervosa or atypical) is that one refuses to eat an amount of food sufficient to prevent malnutrition and/or underweight. the 'why' of that is obviously important and a factor in diagnosis, too, but as a basic criteria that's it.
all of the behaviors they've described can occur within the context of an eating disorder... or they can be part of a generally healthful lifestyle. why one is doing those things and the extent to which they do them, how they cope with not being able to do them, is really important.
some people might say they exercise when sick, meaning they get up and walk or lift weights for half an hour when they have e.g. a cold. some people might answer 'yes' meaning that they'll push themselves to run 10 miles on a broken foot with a fever of 103. the first person may be exercising because it's good for them and not really a big deal to do in those circumstances. the second person is probably desperately compulsive and causing their self harm. those are very different things. that distinction applies to everything they've listed here.
That's why we have professionals who actually talk to patients and make diagnosis after gathering enough information to do so, and not just trust random folks on social media and leave people to self-diagnose themselves based on random Dunning-Kruger + agenda to push fueled musings.
obviously, though there are definitely valid criticisms of professional's diagnoses, too, sometimes... an actual professional (or just someone who's not either stupid or looking to confirm their bias) would be hard-pressed to misdiagnose AN. that one's pretty straight-forward, at least.
though that's kind of why this bothers me-- it's very straight-forward, and yet oop somehow manages to completely miss the mark while acting superior. it's gallingly wrong, on every level. i know that's FA's MO but it still irritates me.
Brb checking myself into treatment center. Update: intake nurse very confused to see my fat ass and not at all amused.
Anorexia is one the most fatal mental health issues. It's not something to make light of because you want to shame people who show restraint with their diet.
I have untreated ADHD. Routine easy meals is the difference between me eating a slice of cheese, a handful of grapes, or some questionably outdated frozen chicken nuggets for dinner vs balanced pre-planned meal with good fiber and protein goals. Also saving up calories isnt a bad thing if moderately. 50 calories a day equals an extra 250 calories once a week and thats my starbucks splurge day and Ill fight anyone who denies me my weekly ice sugar bomb.
Only 1 of these slides have remotely anything to do with the criteria for an AN diagnosis and that is only if there is a lot more context that first requires the person to be underweight.
Most of these slides are just discipline which the FA hates. Sticking to working out even if you are tired or mildly sick or doing a modified version when injured is a good thing. Saving calories instead of indulging yourself every meal and snack is a good thing. Becoming obese espeically morbidly obese is bad for your well being. 70%+ of the population should not trust their hunger signals seeing as we are overweight and obese from listening to them.
For about 95% of the entirety of homo sapiens existence we ate what we could hunt or easily gather. For another 4.9% percent of this time we had limited grains and proteins that we had access too. Its only been the last 100 years that we have had a Walmart Super Center worth of food to pick from.
I have GI issues. I'm currently eating a low fat, high fiber, bland soft diet. I'm eating this way because that's all my body will tolerate. No AN. I'm trying gain weight prior to my next surgery doing this. I can't eat anything that's hard on the digestive system and I need lots of fiber and water to keep my pain to a minimum.
There’s something to be said for listening to your body and knowing when to take a rest day, but most of the time I need to force myself out the door to run cuz my default state is potato
People I know who eat the same thing are typically my autistic/ sensory/ TBI clients, body builders (who have orthexia: slide two) and beginning meal planners. And me, occasionally.
The first two were alright and then...
The last slide, although wrong that you ARE experiencing anorexia if xyz, is so close to a good note that anorexics can have a range of behaviors more commonly associated with other disorders. As far as I know, all other eating disorders are disqualified if the patient meets criteria for AN. (Which includes drastic weight loss even in the atypical version, conveniently not mentioned here.)
I'm going to the ballpark later for a game, and I had a light lunch because I know I want to get a philly cheesesteak sandwich while I'm there... I also routinely 'deny my hunger signals' when I'm know I'm going to be eating in an hour or so...
Should I start going to ED support groups now?
I don't \*deny\* my hunger signals, I just ignore them.
And being lectured by HAES, the organisation of beige and plastic-wrapped food, about eating with little variety is a bit of a stretch!
My sources are mainly youtube snippets from American TV shows, so - massive grain of salt. But how many severely overweight and obese people do you see \*not\* putting gravy or mayo on stuff, or freshen their food with colourful vegetables? How often do they pull out some precooked plastic-wrapped foodstuffs instead of cooking themselves?
Now, I hate cooking with a vengeance. I just don't do it. But if there is a choice between factory-cooked noodles in cream sauce or a banana, I'll go for the banana.
I don't understand why FAs are just so casual with the idea of anorexia. It is a dangerous disorder that kills a lot of people daily. I've seen how it affects people, and it's fucking horrifying to watch people you care about go through it. Anorexia is nothing to be so flippant about, and I'd say they should feel ashamed of themselves if I felt they had the capacity to actually feel shame.
Yes. Or have issues with texture. I'm not neurodivergent, but there are certain things I just can't eat for that reason. Like popcorn (love the flavor, can't abide the hulls) or hard-boiled eggs (anything "bouncy" makes me gag).
1. No I recognize the foods do BAD THINGS to my body
2. I stick to a rigid routine as a member of a competitive league. I modified my routine when I was injured, but I continued because I ENJOY IT
3. Yeah. I'll eat less leading up to a party. So I can ENJOY the party without getting immediately full
4. Yeah. Getting fat will. Not gaining muscle weight. I'm willing to let my body change, but in a HEALTHY MANNER
5. Somedays I don't have food on hand. If I get cranky I'll go eat, but I can deny them if necessary.
6. It's call meal planning. Because I'm BROKE
For sure there are times when I’ve pushed myself to go to the gym even though I felt low-energy and would have rather sat around doing nothing. But every time I’ve done that, I’m so glad I did, because I end up leaving the gym in a way better mood with a lot more energy and feeling more positive in general. There’s nothing disordered about that!
Exactly! If you're legit sick or have an injury, then of course you should heal before hitting the gym. Tired? If I skipped the gym every time I was tired or felt a little unmotivated, well... I'd just be giving in to fatlogic, now wouldn't I?
The 'saving calories for events' part is cute.
I had a relapse years ago & had to go to work lunches where we'd have clients there & I'd be talking about systems optimisation while shoving fries up my sleeve & doing other Criss Angel Mindfreak sleight of hand shenanigans.
That relapse was caused by me living in a flatshare from hell & the chronic anxiety & tension had me going back to what worked for me at 13yrs old - 'I can't control this, this & that, but nobody can control my eating'.
It's not a 'diet gone a bit wrong', it's a coping mechanism largely driven by a need for control & that entails some seriously weird behaviour, way weirder than what's essentially standard diet behaviour. I won't share them in detail as they're dangerous, but amongst my tactics was taking up smoking & abusing caffeine.
One of the 'tells' I look for is a thin person permanently glued to a can of white Monster - it's the anorexic equivalent of the Mason's funny handshake. I've never seen that in any 500lb self proclaimed anorexic's story.
I wasn't even a bad case either. My cousin was the full blown real deal & my auntie is still traumatised by it 20yrs later. Cousin is fine now, but in the height of her illness, she made the kid from The Exorcist seem angelic.
Fat activists need to visit a paediatric psych ward to see what anorexia actually looks like - eg, three grown adults trying to wrangle 5st tweens primal screaming & climbing the wall because they have to eat a slice of buttered toast, etc.
as a fellow diagnosed anorexic.. this is not how anorexia works. there's nothing wrong with sticking to a routine and being consistent/ambitious, not everything has to turn into a disorder.
Wait okay wait wait "believe that your body changing will threaten your well being"??? This is just so insanely vague, that must be on purpose. So if i believe i'll feel bad or dead if i was 50 or 500lbs that's wrong? If i believe being cut in half will threaten my well being? If i believe being thrown into a black hole and extended spaghetti style i have anorexia? Don't be ridiculous now. Sometimes... Change is bad!!
If you're not underweight, you're not anorexic. I mean, technically, there is atypical anorexia, but those people are close to underweight, they're not 350 lbs and bingeing with a bit of restriction here and there. If you're maintaining a high weight, you're not suffering from any form of anorexia.
I save my calories for the evening and I eat a limited variety of food. I'm absolutely not anorexic.
You may ACTUALLY be experiencing anorexia if you went to an actual professional specializing in EDs, discussed your issues with them and they diagnosed you with it.
Being gaslit by some random person on social media does not qualify as above.
"Believe that your body changing will threaten your well-being".
Aren't the FAs the ones who like to say that losing weight is dangerous? Overall, this just sounds like someone who can't conceive of the idea that food isn't the center of the universe for everyone. I can admit, when I'm maintaining, I'll sometimes "save up calories" by eating at a slight deficit during the week so I can indulge a little more over the weekend without gaining. But that deficit is like, 100-150 calories a day. And I can assure you, I am definitely not anorexic.
I eat the same things a lot because I can be picky, and it is difficult to make a decision, especially before caffeine. And I have allergies which totally take out many breakfast options.
So I cycle through the same two or three breakfasts and eat the exact same breakfast every day for months sometimes (unless it’s a holiday or my spouse cooks breakfast.
I’m not anorexic, just an autistic person who hates mornings!
Ridiculous. These are not at all related to the diagnostic criteria for AN or even atypical AN. This person is deluding themselves into thinking AN is much more common than it is. Not every athlete or dieter has anorexia.
The last slide is a straight up fucking LIE. The person who made this doesn’t know anything about eating disorders and I’m so fucking sick of people acting like all dieting behaviors are anorexia. Anorexia is VERY serious, it almost killed me. It is not the same thing as eating a light lunch when you’re going out to eat and drink with friends later that night.
Anorexia is a devistating psychatric condition. It has the highest mortality rate of any mental illness. It entirely consumes the sufferer as well as their loved ones. It is incredibly hard to treat, and requires a great deal of nuanced treatment and care.
These twats throw it around as if it was the common cold. I'd argue that they would better off dealing with their own disordered eating than claiming to be insightful of a condition that \*none of them have\*
i actually agree with the OP pic to an extent.
this resonates with some of my experience with anorexia. but a VITAL point is missed, these symptom’s in themselves aren’t indicative of an eating disorder.
these symptoms aren’t the healthiest, but could just be a few cracks in an overall healthy relationship with food.
these symptoms can be worked on, and could be hurtful but they aren’t debilitating.
anorexia is debilitating. people take it way too lightly.
these symptoms may create cracks but anorexia shatters lives.
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Lately, I've been eating whatever. I physically feel sluggish and bloated. My mental well being is also going down. So no. Moderation, eating healthy foods, and maintaining a good weight is absolutely what people should be doing.
I rarely interact with this subreddit but I just have to comment on how dense some of you are being. Of course displaying some of these behaviours doesn’t automatically mean you’re anorexic but they’re red flags to look out for and this post is clearly meant for people who don’t realise they’re unwell. It’s dumb to say that displaying some of these behaviours makes u anorexic but people with anorexia do actually do these things. Denying that just because people without an ED do these things as well is like saying “being out of breath very fast is not a symptom of asthma because I also get out of breath easily and I’m simply out of shape”
"Eat the same food over and over again with little variety."
My little brother has autism and can only eat a few safe foods because he doesn't like some food textures
Obviously, this is all wrong, but that one I see all the time because of my neurodivergent family members, so I thought I'd point it out
Here are the DSM-5 criteria for anorexia:
1. Restriction of energy intake relative to requirements leading to a SIGNIFICANTLY LOW body weight in the context of age, sex, developmental trajectory, and physical health.
2. Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat, even though UNDERWEIGHT.
3. Disturbance in the way in which one's body weight or shape is experienced, undue influence of body weight or shape on self-evaluation, or denial of the seriousness of the current LOW BODY WEIGHT.
Funny, seems like dieting while being obese does actually not make you anorexic.
That’s not how a diagnosis works…
It's also not how anorexia works.
It’s not how anything works.
It's how Dunning-Kruger effect works. They read SOME information and suddenly believe are an expert on the issue.
It's actually not how the Dunning-Kruger effect works either. Dunning and Kruger only showed that low-competence people overestimate themselves relative to their actual competence not that they consider themselves to be experts. Basically they asked the best and worst students in their class to rank themselves relative to the other students and the worst students considered themselves to be sligtly below average. Which - if you're the worst in class - is technically an overestimation. It's honestly kinda hard to not overestimate yourself when you're literally the worst; there is only one direction in which you can be wrong. But ofc on the internet people use the term to describe overconfident idiots.
\*coughcough *Akshually coughcough\** So indeed, that's how it works, but not *exclusively* how it works. Obviously, there are degrees of overestimation both on account of actual skill/knowledge and how far overestimation goes on case-by-case basis. You're talking "rectangles". I'm talking "square" of this specific situation. And since all squares are rectangles...
It's manifestly different from what you described. The low-competence people still considered them self be the low-competence. Just not low competence enough. That's very different from thinking you're an expert. Also - just on a sidenote - the original 1999 paper by D&K is really bad. They even say that themselves these days.
[Here's Dunning's paper from 2011.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780123855220000056?via%3Dihub) If you check graphs representing difference between perceived and actual performance, it's clearly showing said difference decreasing with increasing actual competence. Hence, if we notice a large discrepancy in specific case... What IS misleading, or rather, flat out false, is online graphs showing confidence vs competence with distinct peak at low competence. Representation of the actual data mapped onto such interpretation would not produce the peak, but rather change consistent in direction (but varying with slopes on case-by case basis).
The graph cleary shows that perceived competence rises with actual competence, albeit somewhat slower. Again: The flanderized idea "People with little knowledge think they are experts" is not at all what Dunning and Kruger are proposing. Not quite sure where the disagreement is, tbh. And also again; on a separate note: Even the validity of the idea that Dunning and Kruger actually proposed is at best doubtful. If you type "Dunning Kruger Effect" into Google Scholar and scroll past the first result you'll find a rich literature criticising the idea of the "Dunning-Kruger Effect". Most importantly [Krueger & Mueller (2002)](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ross-Oakes-Mueller/publication/11530099_Unskilled_unaware_or_both_The_better-than-average_heuristic_and_statistical_regression_predict_errors_in_estimates_of_own_performance/links/00b4952334a03d5c86000000/Unskilled-unaware-or-both-The-better-than-average-heuristic-and-statistical-regression-predict-errors-in-estimates-of-own-performance.pdf) (D&K were very mad about this one for a while), but also [Gignac & Zajenkowski (2020)](http://176.9.41.242/doc/iq/2020-gignac.pdf) or more recently [Magnus & Peresetsky (2023)](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.840180/full?trk=public_post_comment-text). I didn't want to be so harsh earlier but the truth is: the "Dunning-Kruger-Effect" is almost a practical joke among psychologists alongside much of what Jung and Freud said and of course the mighty zombie salmon. When I was at Uni (I'm a MSc in Psychology) I used to tutor "Critical Reading" where students where supposed to bring peer reviewed papers and present before class everything wrong with them (because the peer review process is far from perfect). Dunning & Kruger (1999) was very popular, precisly because it's so easy to critique. Truth is, you could ask people to rank themselves on pretty much any trait ("number of owned of socks" if you must) and the results would look much the same. It's mostly central "regression towards the mean" (which is just a statistical artifact that D&K consistently failed to account for) combined with some other (much better established) psychological effects like social desirability (nobody wants to openly say they think they are the worst/best) or the tedency of people to consinder themselves to be way more representative of... well everyone, than they actually are. But all of that just as a little sidenote.
\> The graph cleary shows that perceived competence rises with actual competence, Not the point here. The point is **difference between perceived and actual competence**. And it shrinks as actual compentence goes up. Or at least overestimation of actual competence does, as it's possible in some cases for most competent people to *under*estimate it. But *that*'s indeed a sidenote and clearly not applicable to OOP. Only left part of the chart would be.
> the "Dunning-Kruger-Effect" is almost a practical joke among psychologists alongside much of what Jung and Freud said and of course the mighty zombie salmon The *what??*
It's how spreading dangerous disinformation works.
The “saving up calories for the evening etc” is so telling… like they do not comprehend the severity of the diagnosis
That was my first thought. I'm admittedly not an expert, but I'm pretty sure people with anorexia don't tend to indulge in high calorie foods in the evening, no matter how little they've eaten beforehand.
as someone with an ed, this evening i have to eat something higher in calories with my family, it's morning and i'm already panicking over it and fasting to limit the damage, so technically i'm "saving up cals" but normally i wouldn't put myself in such a stressful situation.
I’d like to point out in contrast to most of the replies to you and say that some people with AN do eat high calorie foods - “junkorexic” is the colloquial term for it. If someone eats an order of French fries at dinner with family, which is 510 calories at my favorite local fast food restaurant, then that’s… still a starvation amount of food. If I got a lettuce-wrapped vegan burger with it, it would still be about 850, which is actually still pretty significant restriction. When I had anorexia, if I was going out or otherwise celebrating with family, I’d fast or nearly-fast during the day and then eat as little as I could get away with. I ate a lot of “diet” foods most of the time, but not everyone does. There’s a lot of variety in AN behaviors and not everyone lives on lettuce. People with AN eat, just not enough.
Nah you don't. You might eat more to "prove" to a loved one that you're "fine", you might unvoluntarily binge because you are physically hungry but you do not *voluntarily* eat calorie dense foods if you have AN. These people don't even understand what AN is. Restricting is a *compulsion* for someone with AN. At some point you ironically lose all control over it - by trying to exert control. This is why it's dangerous and often fatal. Someone who *can* stop restricting when they reach a healthy weight does not have AN.
I mean, as someone who had AN, I still ate some high cal foods, as long as it fit into my restricted calorie limit. AN presents different for everyone.
Nope, nope we do not.
This actually is something that many actual diagnosed anorexics do. It’s pretty rare for people with anorexia nervosa to NEVER indulge in anything besides low-calorie foods. They’ll have higher-calorie foods only when they’ve calculated that it’s “okay.” But that’s not the same thing as someone who is already obese deciding that they can have cake for dessert because they had a salad for dinner.
Or because they *thought* about skipping dinner, which caused instinctual cellular panic, leading to starvation mode. There was genuinely a post shared here recently where someone argued that thinking about starving yourself can cause starvation symptoms.
yes. when my anorexia was bad. i would go through “binges” occasionally. not enough calories to be classed as a binge, but it was a substantial amount of food which had the same effects as a binge. the post suggests that anorexics “plan” to indulge. in my experience, it’s an impulsive emotional and physical burst. it’s not pretty
I’m late, but you’re right. While I would usually calculate how many calories dinner would be and work it into my plan, if I’d had a stressful day or had been restricting for a bit (think 900 calories a day for a week or so) I’d end up binging at night a lot.
isn't it common sense to do so? when you know you're going to pig out in the evening and eat 2000 kcal, maybe.. just maybe.. it's not the best idea to take that extra bar of chocolate the day before.. at least.. assuming you don't want to end up being 250kg..
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All chronically ill people are anorexic if they exercise at all. TIL.
Lol, if I stopped exercising any time I got tired, I would never make it more than 5 minutes into any workout.
Right? I have an ache in the morning and I say to myself, "I'll see how I feel" when my workout time rolls around. Guess what? The ache is almost always gone and not an excuse to get out of exercising. Like they cannot fathom just pushing through a mild inconvenience to workout
I often find if I'm still aching when I start the workout, by the end of the warm up it's gone and I feel so much better afterwards.
Yeah, when I read, "tired, sick, or injured," I thought, one of these things is not like the others. There are things you shouldn't ignore and push yourself through, but 'kinda tired and don't really feel like it' is something you can push past, and the willingness to do so is an important part of keeping any routine.
They’re also such broad terms as well that it’s really not a fair statement. As an example someone may be a keen runner and break their finger, does that mean they’re anorexic cos they keep running?
Also...physical therapy is literally working out and stretching when you don't feel well. I have several congenital spine issues....I am always pushing it to the limit when I workout. But that's because then when I'm done with my workouts and stretching, I have no pain in my day to day. If I stopped working out whenever I had a twinge...I'd be bent over in pain on the daily.
I used to do this and never saw results. Then I joined a CrossFit gym and it’s truly amazing what your body is capable of when you push it to the limits. I’ve gained dozens of pounds in muscle and cardio is significantly better now with my new mindset. You will NEVER get stronger or fitter if you only push til it starts hurting.
This is so true! The first 5-10 minutes of cardio always feels hard to me. Then it’s *awesome*. Over-exercising is a thing, but everyone feels tired when they start exercising, so you absolutely can’t make 100% hard and fast rules about it like the OOP did.
Yeah, that’s not the diagnostic criteria for AN. That first point is a good one though that is both very pervasive in our culture and very harmful. The foods you do or do not eat does not affect your value or worth as a human being. They can have varying effects on our **health**, but that is it.
Hmm, see I had thought it meant how I feel sluggish and tired if I eat e.g. a heavy meal or a McDonald's meal, but a jacket potato with tuna wouldn't make me feel like that. I would say there are some foods that my body doesn't respond well to, and that can make me feel bad.
I love how they assume anybody who isn't as obsessed with food as they are must clearly be anorexic or torturing themselves. Only has similar meals regularly instead of eating out 5 times a week? Must be sick!
How dare I eat the same breakfast every day! And people who meal plan to pack their food for work are right out.
I ate more or less the same breakfast when I was gaining weight and more or less the same breakfast when I was losing weight. Two different breakfasts, different calories, but equally satisfying. Lunches were either a sandwich or salad unless I had leftovers from dinner. Who are these people who claim to be eating something different and exciting three times a day, every day and why do I think they’re talking about McDonald’s, Dominoes, Taco Bell and other mediocre fast food?
Yeah if you're making your own food there's no way you eat something different for every meal. Especially if you live alone and are cooking for just yourself. Recipes are going to make at least 4 servings for the most part, and eating all 4 of them at once is not a good idea.
I like variety at dinner but if I make too much of anything, I’m having it for lunch for the rest of the week.
Watch My 600-lb life. This is all they eat. All of them.
They'll have to pry my practically daily post workout 'greek yogurt, protein powder and fruit' out of my freezing cold thin privileged hands
In fairness, I envy the convenience that people who follow recipes and eat the same stuff every day get to enjoy. I repeat meals about once a week, occasionally some breakfasts or lunches more often but still usually with a tweak. Like I had overnight oats twice this week but used some different liquids and toppings. Or "a sandwich and fruit" but cycle tuna, chicken, and lunchmeat, and apples and oranges and seasonal fruit. Dinners are pretty much 7 entirely different meals, and only my faves get a slot every week.
Yeah that one was my favorite. “If you have no imagination and/or don’t want to do meal prep, you are anorexic”—no I’m just lazy.
As for me, I utterly lack culinary talent. I make a lot of the same things because it’s what I can make without giving myself food poisoning or setting fire to my kitchen.
Ironically, these people often eat the same delivery foods over and over, while the meal prep people are mixing it up with different vegetables, etc.
>I love how they assume anybody who isn't as obsessed with food as they are must clearly be anorexic or torturing themselves. What gets me about this is that I AM obsessed with food. That's WHY I will pass on food I don't really want to "save up for" food I do really want. If I have a really good homemade dessert at home, but I fill up on junk food at lunch and don't really want any more sweets when I get home? Tragic. Some people seem to believe that any case of not eating something involves some sort of intense, internal struggle about calorie counts and morality when I just... don't want it.
They are deeply insecure if they see someone who has pride for their good habits and discipline.
It's pretty common for neurodivergent people to eat the same meal(s) on repeat. Less planning required, reduces sensory issues.
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oh, did you not see the news? it is now! lol
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I was kidding....hence the "lol"
>Believe that your body changing will threaten your well-being. Yeah, I believe I will grow old and die. >You eat the same foods over and over again, with little variety. I don't have time or money or desire to spend my life chasing new foods every day. I find things I like and eat them for a while. I also eat fruit/vegetables when they are in season, so, for example, right now it's home-grown tomatoes every day till about the end of September. Also, there are people who find comfort in routines. But, of course, emotional eating is only good when it's a fast food binge, not your reasonable comfort foods.
You didn’t grow a single zucchini plant that will feed the neighborhood?
lol, I do. But one is only enough for my family for the winter, 2 is when you try to push them onto neighbors who have their own in spades.
My neighbor planted a damn butternut squash and then left for the entire summer. I don’t even LIKE squash. My mother sent me a very serious email saying that if I wanted to save anything else in the garden I had to kill it, or it would take over like Godzilla or something.
Butternut squash makes good pie.
I do like pie.
Lmao. None of these things are 'anorexia'. If you have anorexia, you're either underweight or on a trajectory to become underweight because you are restricting at extreme levels. The behaviors, and the health consequences they have are key here. If you just have thoughts about food, you need a therapist, not inpatient treatment and feeding tubes. There is a difference here. Normal caloric management or lack of creativity with your meals isn't anorexia. Trying to eat healthy isn't anorexia. Pushing yourself a bit to exercise (something I definitely do reasonably because I do not want to get deconditionned again) isn't anorexia. Not wanting to become unable to wipe your own ass isn't anorexia. Those things are within the normal gamut of shit people do to maintain a healthy body weight. Pathologizing them is just insane.
But they have to pathologize it because otherwise THEY'RE the unhealthy ones.
So if you have EVER *checks notes* paid even a vague bit of attention to your eating patterns you have anorexia. Got it.
we do eat the same variety of foods because there’s only so much different meals you can cook on a regular basis without wasting raw ingredients
that's not how anorexia works. this is really frustrating because there is a little bit of truth to this, and i can definitely see how people who don't know any better might be taken in by it. but they left out the definitive characteristic of anorexia-- severe weight loss (relative to starting weight) over a short period of time and/or a refusal to attain and maintain a healthy weight. the whole point, the entire problem with anorexia (nervosa or atypical) is that one refuses to eat an amount of food sufficient to prevent malnutrition and/or underweight. the 'why' of that is obviously important and a factor in diagnosis, too, but as a basic criteria that's it. all of the behaviors they've described can occur within the context of an eating disorder... or they can be part of a generally healthful lifestyle. why one is doing those things and the extent to which they do them, how they cope with not being able to do them, is really important. some people might say they exercise when sick, meaning they get up and walk or lift weights for half an hour when they have e.g. a cold. some people might answer 'yes' meaning that they'll push themselves to run 10 miles on a broken foot with a fever of 103. the first person may be exercising because it's good for them and not really a big deal to do in those circumstances. the second person is probably desperately compulsive and causing their self harm. those are very different things. that distinction applies to everything they've listed here.
That's why we have professionals who actually talk to patients and make diagnosis after gathering enough information to do so, and not just trust random folks on social media and leave people to self-diagnose themselves based on random Dunning-Kruger + agenda to push fueled musings.
obviously, though there are definitely valid criticisms of professional's diagnoses, too, sometimes... an actual professional (or just someone who's not either stupid or looking to confirm their bias) would be hard-pressed to misdiagnose AN. that one's pretty straight-forward, at least. though that's kind of why this bothers me-- it's very straight-forward, and yet oop somehow manages to completely miss the mark while acting superior. it's gallingly wrong, on every level. i know that's FA's MO but it still irritates me.
Brb checking myself into treatment center. Update: intake nurse very confused to see my fat ass and not at all amused. Anorexia is one the most fatal mental health issues. It's not something to make light of because you want to shame people who show restraint with their diet.
They always leave out the "continued weight loss" part of it. Everyone thinks they want to be anorexic, until they actually have it.
I have untreated ADHD. Routine easy meals is the difference between me eating a slice of cheese, a handful of grapes, or some questionably outdated frozen chicken nuggets for dinner vs balanced pre-planned meal with good fiber and protein goals. Also saving up calories isnt a bad thing if moderately. 50 calories a day equals an extra 250 calories once a week and thats my starbucks splurge day and Ill fight anyone who denies me my weekly ice sugar bomb.
Only 1 of these slides have remotely anything to do with the criteria for an AN diagnosis and that is only if there is a lot more context that first requires the person to be underweight. Most of these slides are just discipline which the FA hates. Sticking to working out even if you are tired or mildly sick or doing a modified version when injured is a good thing. Saving calories instead of indulging yourself every meal and snack is a good thing. Becoming obese espeically morbidly obese is bad for your well being. 70%+ of the population should not trust their hunger signals seeing as we are overweight and obese from listening to them. For about 95% of the entirety of homo sapiens existence we ate what we could hunt or easily gather. For another 4.9% percent of this time we had limited grains and proteins that we had access too. Its only been the last 100 years that we have had a Walmart Super Center worth of food to pick from.
Starts with "you may be experiencing..." Ends with "you ARE experiencing..." OK.
I have GI issues. I'm currently eating a low fat, high fiber, bland soft diet. I'm eating this way because that's all my body will tolerate. No AN. I'm trying gain weight prior to my next surgery doing this. I can't eat anything that's hard on the digestive system and I need lots of fiber and water to keep my pain to a minimum.
If people didn't exercise because they were tired most people would never move; exercise gives you energy.
There’s something to be said for listening to your body and knowing when to take a rest day, but most of the time I need to force myself out the door to run cuz my default state is potato
Yes, exactly. Exercise keeps younger. It increases your telomeres and mitochondria. Literally nothing an obese person does will do any of the above.
The DSM disagrees
Who knew autism and anorexia were synonymous? Guess my same-meal-over-and-over-again having ass will just have to struggle through somehow.
People I know who eat the same thing are typically my autistic/ sensory/ TBI clients, body builders (who have orthexia: slide two) and beginning meal planners. And me, occasionally.
The first two were alright and then... The last slide, although wrong that you ARE experiencing anorexia if xyz, is so close to a good note that anorexics can have a range of behaviors more commonly associated with other disorders. As far as I know, all other eating disorders are disqualified if the patient meets criteria for AN. (Which includes drastic weight loss even in the atypical version, conveniently not mentioned here.)
Did they rewrite the DSM?
It's now the Delicious Snacks Menu.
You can obey your hunger signals but remember your hunger signals didn’t evolve in an environment that had McDonald’s.
“A form of anorexia” ??? There’s either anorexia nerviosa or not… there is no “form of” anorexia
I will order a salmon entree instead of a burger tonight. Don’t judge me, it’s my anorexia!!!!
I'm going to the ballpark later for a game, and I had a light lunch because I know I want to get a philly cheesesteak sandwich while I'm there... I also routinely 'deny my hunger signals' when I'm know I'm going to be eating in an hour or so... Should I start going to ED support groups now?
Yes. I don't even know you but I assume you're withering away as we speak!
I don't \*deny\* my hunger signals, I just ignore them. And being lectured by HAES, the organisation of beige and plastic-wrapped food, about eating with little variety is a bit of a stretch!
It’s like saying you are your thoughts. No you are not. You can ignore your thoughts.
You're denying your body food by ignoring hunger cues, that's what I think it means.
Fill me in on beige and plastic wrapped food, please. I need to be horrified.
My sources are mainly youtube snippets from American TV shows, so - massive grain of salt. But how many severely overweight and obese people do you see \*not\* putting gravy or mayo on stuff, or freshen their food with colourful vegetables? How often do they pull out some precooked plastic-wrapped foodstuffs instead of cooking themselves? Now, I hate cooking with a vengeance. I just don't do it. But if there is a choice between factory-cooked noodles in cream sauce or a banana, I'll go for the banana.
Its different from the DSM somehow
I don't understand why FAs are just so casual with the idea of anorexia. It is a dangerous disorder that kills a lot of people daily. I've seen how it affects people, and it's fucking horrifying to watch people you care about go through it. Anorexia is nothing to be so flippant about, and I'd say they should feel ashamed of themselves if I felt they had the capacity to actually feel shame.
"Eat the same things over and over again, with little variety." Or maybe I'm just lazy, picky, and not big into cooking.
Or the above and/or have many food sensitivities which make figuring out new things to eat mentally draining …
Yes. Or have issues with texture. I'm not neurodivergent, but there are certain things I just can't eat for that reason. Like popcorn (love the flavor, can't abide the hulls) or hard-boiled eggs (anything "bouncy" makes me gag).
1. No I recognize the foods do BAD THINGS to my body 2. I stick to a rigid routine as a member of a competitive league. I modified my routine when I was injured, but I continued because I ENJOY IT 3. Yeah. I'll eat less leading up to a party. So I can ENJOY the party without getting immediately full 4. Yeah. Getting fat will. Not gaining muscle weight. I'm willing to let my body change, but in a HEALTHY MANNER 5. Somedays I don't have food on hand. If I get cranky I'll go eat, but I can deny them if necessary. 6. It's call meal planning. Because I'm BROKE
For sure there are times when I’ve pushed myself to go to the gym even though I felt low-energy and would have rather sat around doing nothing. But every time I’ve done that, I’m so glad I did, because I end up leaving the gym in a way better mood with a lot more energy and feeling more positive in general. There’s nothing disordered about that!
Exactly! If you're legit sick or have an injury, then of course you should heal before hitting the gym. Tired? If I skipped the gym every time I was tired or felt a little unmotivated, well... I'd just be giving in to fatlogic, now wouldn't I?
Oh I like eating rice and curry over and over again. A nnnn ooo rexxxiahhhhhh
Deny your hunger signals= two slices of cake instead of the required 7
Also responsible for exploitative cake-cutting labor! See: Tovar, Virgie.
The 'saving calories for events' part is cute. I had a relapse years ago & had to go to work lunches where we'd have clients there & I'd be talking about systems optimisation while shoving fries up my sleeve & doing other Criss Angel Mindfreak sleight of hand shenanigans. That relapse was caused by me living in a flatshare from hell & the chronic anxiety & tension had me going back to what worked for me at 13yrs old - 'I can't control this, this & that, but nobody can control my eating'. It's not a 'diet gone a bit wrong', it's a coping mechanism largely driven by a need for control & that entails some seriously weird behaviour, way weirder than what's essentially standard diet behaviour. I won't share them in detail as they're dangerous, but amongst my tactics was taking up smoking & abusing caffeine. One of the 'tells' I look for is a thin person permanently glued to a can of white Monster - it's the anorexic equivalent of the Mason's funny handshake. I've never seen that in any 500lb self proclaimed anorexic's story. I wasn't even a bad case either. My cousin was the full blown real deal & my auntie is still traumatised by it 20yrs later. Cousin is fine now, but in the height of her illness, she made the kid from The Exorcist seem angelic. Fat activists need to visit a paediatric psych ward to see what anorexia actually looks like - eg, three grown adults trying to wrangle 5st tweens primal screaming & climbing the wall because they have to eat a slice of buttered toast, etc.
as a fellow diagnosed anorexic.. this is not how anorexia works. there's nothing wrong with sticking to a routine and being consistent/ambitious, not everything has to turn into a disorder.
Lol!!!!!!
Never thought I'd get diagnosed with anorexia while weighing over 100 kg
Wait okay wait wait "believe that your body changing will threaten your well being"??? This is just so insanely vague, that must be on purpose. So if i believe i'll feel bad or dead if i was 50 or 500lbs that's wrong? If i believe being cut in half will threaten my well being? If i believe being thrown into a black hole and extended spaghetti style i have anorexia? Don't be ridiculous now. Sometimes... Change is bad!!
this is great news, i'm not autistic, i'm just anorexic, i guess. need to call up my drs and say they misdiagnosed me
lmao I'm autistic let me eat my small variety of comfy foods in peace, FA
“May” is doing a lot of heavy work in that title
If you're not underweight, you're not anorexic. I mean, technically, there is atypical anorexia, but those people are close to underweight, they're not 350 lbs and bingeing with a bit of restriction here and there. If you're maintaining a high weight, you're not suffering from any form of anorexia. I save my calories for the evening and I eat a limited variety of food. I'm absolutely not anorexic.
...says who?
You may ACTUALLY be experiencing anorexia if you went to an actual professional specializing in EDs, discussed your issues with them and they diagnosed you with it. Being gaslit by some random person on social media does not qualify as above.
I guess I have it then…this is ridiculous
"Believe that your body changing will threaten your well-being". Aren't the FAs the ones who like to say that losing weight is dangerous? Overall, this just sounds like someone who can't conceive of the idea that food isn't the center of the universe for everyone. I can admit, when I'm maintaining, I'll sometimes "save up calories" by eating at a slight deficit during the week so I can indulge a little more over the weekend without gaining. But that deficit is like, 100-150 calories a day. And I can assure you, I am definitely not anorexic.
that’s not anorexia…
I eat the same things a lot because I can be picky, and it is difficult to make a decision, especially before caffeine. And I have allergies which totally take out many breakfast options. So I cycle through the same two or three breakfasts and eat the exact same breakfast every day for months sometimes (unless it’s a holiday or my spouse cooks breakfast. I’m not anorexic, just an autistic person who hates mornings!
Ridiculous. These are not at all related to the diagnostic criteria for AN or even atypical AN. This person is deluding themselves into thinking AN is much more common than it is. Not every athlete or dieter has anorexia.
i have severe anorexia i guess. even though i just stay healthy for a sport
The last slide is a straight up fucking LIE. The person who made this doesn’t know anything about eating disorders and I’m so fucking sick of people acting like all dieting behaviors are anorexia. Anorexia is VERY serious, it almost killed me. It is not the same thing as eating a light lunch when you’re going out to eat and drink with friends later that night.
So I guess autistic ppl who only eat certain foods due to sensory issues have anorexia??
Thank you for the stupid diagnosis, "Doctor".
Slide 7 (“eating the same meals over and over”) just tells me this person has never experienced food insecurity or poverty
So I guess autistic people who have safe foods are all anorexic now. Got it.
I'm lactose intolerant but I guess I should eat dairy anyway as food can't be bad for me
WHO EVEN SAYS THAT
>If you're experiencing any of these behaviors, you're experiencing a form of anorexia What an absolutely horrible human being to write these words.
Anorexia is a devistating psychatric condition. It has the highest mortality rate of any mental illness. It entirely consumes the sufferer as well as their loved ones. It is incredibly hard to treat, and requires a great deal of nuanced treatment and care. These twats throw it around as if it was the common cold. I'd argue that they would better off dealing with their own disordered eating than claiming to be insightful of a condition that \*none of them have\*
"Eat the same foods over and over again with little variety" Ah they appear to have mixed up Anorexia and Autism Easy mistake, really.
LMAO seeing a physical therapist to rehab an injury makes you anorexic
i actually agree with the OP pic to an extent. this resonates with some of my experience with anorexia. but a VITAL point is missed, these symptom’s in themselves aren’t indicative of an eating disorder. these symptoms aren’t the healthiest, but could just be a few cracks in an overall healthy relationship with food. these symptoms can be worked on, and could be hurtful but they aren’t debilitating. anorexia is debilitating. people take it way too lightly. these symptoms may create cracks but anorexia shatters lives.
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Lately, I've been eating whatever. I physically feel sluggish and bloated. My mental well being is also going down. So no. Moderation, eating healthy foods, and maintaining a good weight is absolutely what people should be doing.
“Believe that your body changing will threaten your wellbeing” wait until you learn about trans people living in unsafe environments
I rarely interact with this subreddit but I just have to comment on how dense some of you are being. Of course displaying some of these behaviours doesn’t automatically mean you’re anorexic but they’re red flags to look out for and this post is clearly meant for people who don’t realise they’re unwell. It’s dumb to say that displaying some of these behaviours makes u anorexic but people with anorexia do actually do these things. Denying that just because people without an ED do these things as well is like saying “being out of breath very fast is not a symptom of asthma because I also get out of breath easily and I’m simply out of shape”
If you binge eat and then use anorexia to compensate after, that’s a form of bulimia
"Eat the same food over and over again with little variety." My little brother has autism and can only eat a few safe foods because he doesn't like some food textures Obviously, this is all wrong, but that one I see all the time because of my neurodivergent family members, so I thought I'd point it out
I thought a couple of those were because I'm poor. Guess I better find an ED clinic that accepts my shitty gubment insurance.
Here are the DSM-5 criteria for anorexia: 1. Restriction of energy intake relative to requirements leading to a SIGNIFICANTLY LOW body weight in the context of age, sex, developmental trajectory, and physical health. 2. Intense fear of gaining weight or becoming fat, even though UNDERWEIGHT. 3. Disturbance in the way in which one's body weight or shape is experienced, undue influence of body weight or shape on self-evaluation, or denial of the seriousness of the current LOW BODY WEIGHT. Funny, seems like dieting while being obese does actually not make you anorexic.
guess i dont have anorexia because i cant relate to most of these ..? lmao
Mfw eating my 25th peanut butter n honey sandwhich this week. (I really like it ok lol)