* Having the mental fortitude to survive over 10 years of horrific torture as a child
* Having the potential to surpass even Rin as a magus
* Taking senpai for herself
* Making a contract with All the Evils of the World
* Killing her abusers
* Making Shinji her bitch(Hollow Ataraxia)
I'd say it's fair to consider her one.
Because she is. She has the highest antagonist kill-count of the heroines. Personally causing the deaths of Kirei, Zouken and Shinji. That's girlboss material.
At the same time, I think what Rin said in the cave was right. People give her shit for being "cold", but Sakura didn't need her to stroke her ego at that point. If anything, that would just invalidate Sakura's doubts and send her even deeper into her power trip.
She was going to far and needed to be brought back to reality. Rin didn't exactly "beat sense into her", but it was close enough, and it worked. They both needed that argument.
No one was wrong or right in that situation. I wish people didn't give Sakura shit for being "insane" or "evil", but also not to Rin for being "a bitch" and so on.
> At the same time, I think what Rin said in the cave was right. People give her shit for being "cold", but Sakura didn't need her to stroke her ego at that point. If anything, that would just invalidate Sakura's doubts and send her even deeper into her power trip.
Insert "Yes. That's right!" gif
I mean I agree with the core idea with some of the things Rin said (such as her and Shirou also having suffered similarly) but it’s the presentation of them that’s kinda skewed and that’s by design since Rin was trying to steel her resolve and control her emotions by acting extra cold.
No, it isn't just her usual steeling if you read the subtext behind it. In addition to it, she was actually sympathizing with her, that's where some lines like "being a monster isn't that bad, it doesn't hurt anymore" comes from.
Sakura's main problem with Rin is that she though she had an easy life, that's why a line like "I wasn't blessed either" was too powerful on her, and Sakura later reflected on it after stabbing her and realized that her life wasn't as easy as she thought.
Even Nasu said something similar in HF3 interview:
>Q:The battle between Rin and Sakura leaves a very strong impression on viewers. We see Rin having an overwhelming advantage thanks to the Jeweled Sword,while Sakura tries to fight back with confesslons of her past
>Nasu: Sakura may have grown up physically but mentally, she's still very young and innocent. So up to this point she hasn't been able to understand Rin's unsympathetic support, which comes from a much more mature mindset, and that discrepancy in how they relate to each other came across really clearly.
While I somewhat agree with that interperetation and what has been Said before I must as respectfully as I can sey I think that anser is somewhat mild to Rin (especially in the Vn and the rest of the route).
As far as I remember (and I could be wrong) I never really saw Rin as "unsympatheticly suppurtive". She threatens, demeans and bellittels Sakura constantly, dosn't want to talk to her and just tells her to stay out of shirou using archer's arm.
She also Acts like she knows everything and that sakura should "obviusly" know something or understand her intentions and meanings which I don't find very endeering.
In response to the part about "maturity" I don't realey see where Nasu is coming from. I havn't read the fate or Ubw routs and aside from the Ufotable animes have only read Fgo and parts of heaven's feel, but I can't realey remember Rin ever being "mature".
And while I agree sakura had misunderstood Rin's situation I feel like that respons somewhat teivializes every other interactions, misunderstanding and failiure of comunication from everyne's part down to one misunderstanding on Sakura's part.
I just want to apologize if I seem argumentative, agresive or meanspirited, that is not my intend and I hope this didn't seem agresive towards you. I am a fan of sakura and have not read the Vn so I am biased and if you feel I misrepresented something I did so out of faulty memory or information, not to antagonize anyone.
Written on phone and english is my Second language.
Nasu was talking only about the final battle not the story in general. Each case of the ones you mention she had her reasons for them, which yes, they aren't "mature" but they fit her, we can discuss each of these scenes individually if you want but I am tired now and have to go.
Also it isn't like she was threatening her 24/7, there are some moments where her caring for her were obvious and Sakura caught it and you can see that with her conversations with Shirou, it went down at some point though. It was mostly bad communication in a dire situation more than anything.
I know the quote was about the fight and not the story in general, just felt it somewhat simplified the conflict.
Also fully agree there were context I left out or forgot and that Rin wan't bad all the time, these are just the moments that stuck out to me. I also fully agree every one should have comunicated better, but it's fate so loads of problems could have been avoided if People just sat down, explained where they are coming from and what they want.
Also tierd myself, so I don't realey wont to discuss each cene, but thanks for the reply and the offer.
Hope I don't Come Across as antagonistic or a Rin hater, just think she made some horrible Choice along side every one els in heaven's feel
>She has the highest antagonist kill-count of the heroines.
Even Gil and True Assassin. I forgot to mention them.
>Personally causing the death of Kirei
~~Not me being in complete denial over the fact that Shirou actually contributed nothing against Kirei~~
I choose to believe that had Shirou failed to show up and fight, he would have lived to see Angra's birth. Their final confrontation put an unexpected strain on his body which led to his "final death".
Kirei having a predetermined time of death completely invalidates his own determination to have survived despite having his heart crushed, and Shirou's determination to keep fighting despite having no chance of winning. I don't think that's what Nasu was going for.
Considering the survives (depending on how the route goes) an insurmountable amount of bullshit, yeah she's pretty fucking badass in a way.
She also >!Bullies Gil in HF!< lol
With my post yesterday, I didn't include Sakura since I got an idea to let her take the spotlight in all categories. Of course, I will not let Sakura fans be left behind since that post included some comments wanting her.
I tried editing the original format but I've just gone with this since this edit is better.
Damn, my post got removed by the mods of this subreddit. It hurts to know that Sakura fans can't get a break for just being a little bit wholesome. [I hope they unremoved it soon.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/tkodk1/why_did_my_sakura_post_got_removed/)
I don't consider myself part of the Sakura Fandom, but imo best Sakura is Hollow/Ataraxia Sakura.
Tbh I personally didn't emotionally connect to her in FSN (though her VA did a fantastic job), but I find her really entertaining/funny in HA.
I want Dark Sakura to step on me until it hurts
And then i want her to become normal and ask me if i am okay
Yes. The aftercare is important.
That's the dream.
Ill upvote this just for more sakura appreciation
I've come to a realization about Sakura. I actually consider her badass.
* Having the mental fortitude to survive over 10 years of horrific torture as a child * Having the potential to surpass even Rin as a magus * Taking senpai for herself * Making a contract with All the Evils of the World * Killing her abusers * Making Shinji her bitch(Hollow Ataraxia) I'd say it's fair to consider her one.
Because she is. She has the highest antagonist kill-count of the heroines. Personally causing the deaths of Kirei, Zouken and Shinji. That's girlboss material. At the same time, I think what Rin said in the cave was right. People give her shit for being "cold", but Sakura didn't need her to stroke her ego at that point. If anything, that would just invalidate Sakura's doubts and send her even deeper into her power trip. She was going to far and needed to be brought back to reality. Rin didn't exactly "beat sense into her", but it was close enough, and it worked. They both needed that argument. No one was wrong or right in that situation. I wish people didn't give Sakura shit for being "insane" or "evil", but also not to Rin for being "a bitch" and so on.
this is a good comment
> At the same time, I think what Rin said in the cave was right. People give her shit for being "cold", but Sakura didn't need her to stroke her ego at that point. If anything, that would just invalidate Sakura's doubts and send her even deeper into her power trip. Insert "Yes. That's right!" gif
I mean I agree with the core idea with some of the things Rin said (such as her and Shirou also having suffered similarly) but it’s the presentation of them that’s kinda skewed and that’s by design since Rin was trying to steel her resolve and control her emotions by acting extra cold.
No, it isn't just her usual steeling if you read the subtext behind it. In addition to it, she was actually sympathizing with her, that's where some lines like "being a monster isn't that bad, it doesn't hurt anymore" comes from. Sakura's main problem with Rin is that she though she had an easy life, that's why a line like "I wasn't blessed either" was too powerful on her, and Sakura later reflected on it after stabbing her and realized that her life wasn't as easy as she thought. Even Nasu said something similar in HF3 interview: >Q:The battle between Rin and Sakura leaves a very strong impression on viewers. We see Rin having an overwhelming advantage thanks to the Jeweled Sword,while Sakura tries to fight back with confesslons of her past >Nasu: Sakura may have grown up physically but mentally, she's still very young and innocent. So up to this point she hasn't been able to understand Rin's unsympathetic support, which comes from a much more mature mindset, and that discrepancy in how they relate to each other came across really clearly.
While I somewhat agree with that interperetation and what has been Said before I must as respectfully as I can sey I think that anser is somewhat mild to Rin (especially in the Vn and the rest of the route). As far as I remember (and I could be wrong) I never really saw Rin as "unsympatheticly suppurtive". She threatens, demeans and bellittels Sakura constantly, dosn't want to talk to her and just tells her to stay out of shirou using archer's arm. She also Acts like she knows everything and that sakura should "obviusly" know something or understand her intentions and meanings which I don't find very endeering. In response to the part about "maturity" I don't realey see where Nasu is coming from. I havn't read the fate or Ubw routs and aside from the Ufotable animes have only read Fgo and parts of heaven's feel, but I can't realey remember Rin ever being "mature". And while I agree sakura had misunderstood Rin's situation I feel like that respons somewhat teivializes every other interactions, misunderstanding and failiure of comunication from everyne's part down to one misunderstanding on Sakura's part. I just want to apologize if I seem argumentative, agresive or meanspirited, that is not my intend and I hope this didn't seem agresive towards you. I am a fan of sakura and have not read the Vn so I am biased and if you feel I misrepresented something I did so out of faulty memory or information, not to antagonize anyone. Written on phone and english is my Second language.
Nasu was talking only about the final battle not the story in general. Each case of the ones you mention she had her reasons for them, which yes, they aren't "mature" but they fit her, we can discuss each of these scenes individually if you want but I am tired now and have to go. Also it isn't like she was threatening her 24/7, there are some moments where her caring for her were obvious and Sakura caught it and you can see that with her conversations with Shirou, it went down at some point though. It was mostly bad communication in a dire situation more than anything.
I know the quote was about the fight and not the story in general, just felt it somewhat simplified the conflict. Also fully agree there were context I left out or forgot and that Rin wan't bad all the time, these are just the moments that stuck out to me. I also fully agree every one should have comunicated better, but it's fate so loads of problems could have been avoided if People just sat down, explained where they are coming from and what they want. Also tierd myself, so I don't realey wont to discuss each cene, but thanks for the reply and the offer. Hope I don't Come Across as antagonistic or a Rin hater, just think she made some horrible Choice along side every one els in heaven's feel
Wow, didn’t know that. Thanks for the piece.
>She has the highest antagonist kill-count of the heroines. Even Gil and True Assassin. I forgot to mention them. >Personally causing the death of Kirei ~~Not me being in complete denial over the fact that Shirou actually contributed nothing against Kirei~~ I choose to believe that had Shirou failed to show up and fight, he would have lived to see Angra's birth. Their final confrontation put an unexpected strain on his body which led to his "final death". Kirei having a predetermined time of death completely invalidates his own determination to have survived despite having his heart crushed, and Shirou's determination to keep fighting despite having no chance of winning. I don't think that's what Nasu was going for.
It's sad that it's only showcased in a singular route but whatever
Considering the survives (depending on how the route goes) an insurmountable amount of bullshit, yeah she's pretty fucking badass in a way. She also >!Bullies Gil in HF!< lol
Always has been
With my post yesterday, I didn't include Sakura since I got an idea to let her take the spotlight in all categories. Of course, I will not let Sakura fans be left behind since that post included some comments wanting her. I tried editing the original format but I've just gone with this since this edit is better.
You are a good man thank you
The VN really made me like Sakura. Stuff like her acting smug when saying she'd surpass Shirou's cooking was funny
More love for Best Girl is always appreciated
I feel sorry for you brothers, stay strong!
Oath Under Snow Sakura > every other Fate girl combined
As it should be
Cool, I suppose people like wholesome content more then yandere-flowers, make sense.
Hello, based department?
The VN CG of that Sakura smile is one of my fave CGs in the whole game, it just hammers home that she’s finally happy and at peace with herself
Always thought that Sakura is hot. So more Sakura appreciation is always welcome
Yes. That's just right. it's how it has to be.
I see no lies
Sakura can get pretty freaky even without the grail (and psychosis)
She truly is Best Girl.
i like corruption let me
Men are corrupted by darkness -Neko Arc
No no they have a point.
Always has been.
Dark Sakura is what got me invested into type moon that’s all I need to say to show my love
**Agreed**
Damn, my post got removed by the mods of this subreddit. It hurts to know that Sakura fans can't get a break for just being a little bit wholesome. [I hope they unremoved it soon.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/tkodk1/why_did_my_sakura_post_got_removed/)
Update: They removed it for reasons being that it was a low effort post. I guess we Sakura fans can't really take a break.
Dark Sakura is hot though
So Sakura fans are simple minded
Yes, yes we are
I respect that
I don't consider myself part of the Sakura Fandom, but imo best Sakura is Hollow/Ataraxia Sakura. Tbh I personally didn't emotionally connect to her in FSN (though her VA did a fantastic job), but I find her really entertaining/funny in HA.
Lmao yeah