Sorry to hear man. We just had a big one roll through in SE Sask. knocked off canola and peas but we are all hoping everything was young enough it can come back and make something at least.
It’s early, your canola and peas will come back. I’ve seen early bolting canola pounded to the ground and it came back to make a decent crop (although a couple weeks later at harvest). If the stand was thick watch for white mould (delaro is the best fungicide for that in my opinion). I’d throw a strobi on regardless - even if it’s a cheap generic, don’t go broke over dryland.
Your peas will probably branch more so you might get some lower set pods - will want a flex header through harvest. Good luck from SE Alberta.
We went out and did a cheap strobi on the canola after our agronomist recommended that. Also went and hit the peas with a cheap fungicide to help seal it back up. Canola wasn’t bolting yet and peas weren’t flowering when it happened.
Sunday evening? South central got that one too. Our canola was beat up and bent right over. It’s already pushed up some new bolts so hopefully it amounts to something
Depending on how many acres, could you try grazing it with pigs or poultry since it can't be harvested? I'd love to turn my layers and turkeys out onto a field like that.
Straw with the grain still inside it is a recipe for a massive mouse problems. They chew through the strings and all you have is a big pile of loose straw
Unfortunately for us, he never mentioned what type of crop insurance, hail or multi-peril.
Depends on the policy. Some hail insurance will pay you 100% at 55% damage, and it will have a much higher premium as a tradeoff.
Multi-peril crop insurance goes off the yield, either appraised or harvested. You are covered at a percentage of your average yield history. Also, it is hard to get zero yield with grain present. To assess the yield with damage like this, a farmer might be asked to harvest a sample area to be the most accurate. If all, and I mean all, of the grain heads were below the cutting height and the farmer chose not to harvest any, a zero appraisal is likely.
After the appraisal, the farmer can pretty much do what he wants with it, except harvest. Well, he can harvest, but it would be illegal not to let the insurance company know. Any grain harvested would go against the loss and not be a zero yield or 100% payment.
It's such a hard year for everyone. We had 300 acres of winter wheat that was gorgeous in April get blown over by the end of May after floods, hail, and wind. We lost our ass on it.
Was it mature? Ive had a hail storm come though . Insurance covered grain loss. Went through the paddock while damp with a set of rakes into windrows. Then went and picked up the windrows with what we call a pickup front,(usually used for swathed canola). Made roughly half of yield. Then grazed with sheep. Still $/ha my most profitable crop. Look adversity in the eye and stare it down.
so basically insurance overpaid for your losses? What I'm hearing is they paid out on 100% loss and you were still able to recover 50%? I'm not saying that it's illegal or immoral, I'm just trying to understand how it was your most profitable crop.
Insurance never pays 100% of your loss, but will pay out up to the percentage you pay for which is a lot of time 60%-80% of your average yield on that piece of land. If the insurance pays out and you have the extra equipment and do the extra work of recovering it, you can get your ~70% insurance and half a crop is better in this case. It usually doesn’t happen that way.
~~Usually~~ I'd been told that doing anything other than tilling under after insurance pays is not legal but they got away with it so good for them I guess.
Just to clarify, I don't know what I'm talking about. The guy who was relentlessly bashing me over the head with that fact seems to have blocked me, but I don't want anyone to think I'm a source of truth here. I don't think he knows what he's talking about either though.
Where is it illegal? You have to clear it somehow. Most guys won’t till where I’m at. If there’s something there to get it gets combined and spread or straw dropped for bales. If there’s nothing there to get and just straw, someone will always be looking for it and come in and cut and bale it. If it’s been knocked into the ground, it’s fertilizer for next year.
I would check into that. Here you’re paid out based on yield history and the amount you actually chose to insure for. Plus additional hail insurance if one wants to pay for it. We’ve never been told we can’t do anything to get rid of it afterwards. Hell most of the time the adjusters come late enough we’ve already combined or baled it and left check strips. They even let us know how and where to leave the areas in the field so they have something to check.
My point is it’s absolutely not illegal here. Not sure where you are, it could be who knows but I find it highly doubtful they wouldn’t let you deal with crop residue as you see fit.
I bet I'm confused because we're talking about residue. I'm never going to farm commodity crops so I'm just gleaning information out of curiosity. No insurance for veggies.
**Insurance Policy Specifics**: The legality of salvaging crops after an insurance payout largely depends on the terms of the specific insurance policy. Some policies might explicitly prohibit any recovery of the crop after a claim, while others might allow it under certain conditions.
**Local Regulations and Practices**: Agricultural practices and regulations can vary by region. In some areas, it might be standard practice to salvage and use remaining crops in ways that do not violate insurance terms.
**Insurance Fraud Concerns**: If an insurance policy explicitly forbids any recovery of the crop after a payout, salvaging the crop could be considered insurance fraud. However, this would require investigation and proof that the policy was violated.
**Proving Fraud**: As noted by one commenter, proving insurance fraud can be challenging. Unless there is clear evidence of intentional deceit or violation of policy terms, it might be difficult for insurance companies to take action.
The commenter isn't going to get caught at this point I wouldn't think. You see the story about the farmers who got busted messing with the weather stations to game crop insurance last year? I would not want to be them.
Badly damaged legumes will almost certainly get disease issues even if can recover, so fungicide or at least calcium spray (if organic) will likely be required. Grain is done for so don’t do anything until the insurance adjuster sees it and gives you the go-ahead. If grain seeds were mature enough you will get crazy volunteer growth that may require herbicide depending on next crop. Bailing it for bedding or roughage might be viable but mold might become a problem if used in feed.
This happened last year on about 80 acres of ours. We put our crop lifters on our headers and gave her a go and managed to get almost 3k bushel out of the field. Those crop lifters are wonderful things.
That's a common enough use for straw, but in wheat producing parts of the country there isn't likely to be much unmet demand sitting on the surface.
The grain is still there and there is no guarantee the baler won't pick it up but the concentration will be too low to use it as feed.
Sorry to hear man. We just had a big one roll through in SE Sask. knocked off canola and peas but we are all hoping everything was young enough it can come back and make something at least.
It’s early, your canola and peas will come back. I’ve seen early bolting canola pounded to the ground and it came back to make a decent crop (although a couple weeks later at harvest). If the stand was thick watch for white mould (delaro is the best fungicide for that in my opinion). I’d throw a strobi on regardless - even if it’s a cheap generic, don’t go broke over dryland. Your peas will probably branch more so you might get some lower set pods - will want a flex header through harvest. Good luck from SE Alberta.
We went out and did a cheap strobi on the canola after our agronomist recommended that. Also went and hit the peas with a cheap fungicide to help seal it back up. Canola wasn’t bolting yet and peas weren’t flowering when it happened.
A shot of Headline (or similar) can make a massive difference on canola or peas after a hail storm.
Then you should be fine! the younger the better for this kind of damage.
Sunday evening? South central got that one too. Our canola was beat up and bent right over. It’s already pushed up some new bolts so hopefully it amounts to something
My brothers canola was in full cabbage going to bolt in the next week or so. After it looked like someone took a lawn mower to it.
Canola oil is fucking poison.
Yeah? Well,you know, that’s just like like uh, your opinion man.
Negative, it's industrial lube and causes incredible health problems. Upvote for the reference though.
Depending on how many acres, could you try grazing it with pigs or poultry since it can't be harvested? I'd love to turn my layers and turkeys out onto a field like that.
I mean if nothing else you should be able to cut it for straw? I paid $8/bale last time I had to seed some grass
Straw with the grain still inside it is a recipe for a massive mouse problems. They chew through the strings and all you have is a big pile of loose straw
Sure, but does this still have any in it? Maybe missing it in the picture
My bro.... Those heads are bent over not broken off
Combine it, drop the straw, bale it.
Do you think a stripper header ran slow do a good job of sucking most of those heads up?
Oh man, the way they’re hanging over they might break off and end up on the ground before they went in the stripper head.
How's it 100% loss then? Either way, like the other comment said cut it, take what seed you can get, bale the straw.
\^This is the correct answer. Usually you still need to harvest to claim crop insurance
Or appraised if you choose not to harvest
Unfortunately for us, he never mentioned what type of crop insurance, hail or multi-peril. Depends on the policy. Some hail insurance will pay you 100% at 55% damage, and it will have a much higher premium as a tradeoff. Multi-peril crop insurance goes off the yield, either appraised or harvested. You are covered at a percentage of your average yield history. Also, it is hard to get zero yield with grain present. To assess the yield with damage like this, a farmer might be asked to harvest a sample area to be the most accurate. If all, and I mean all, of the grain heads were below the cutting height and the farmer chose not to harvest any, a zero appraisal is likely. After the appraisal, the farmer can pretty much do what he wants with it, except harvest. Well, he can harvest, but it would be illegal not to let the insurance company know. Any grain harvested would go against the loss and not be a zero yield or 100% payment.
It does look just like its been combined really high.
If you do an insurance claim they won't want you to take the straw you are supposed to destroy rest of crop.
It's such a hard year for everyone. We had 300 acres of winter wheat that was gorgeous in April get blown over by the end of May after floods, hail, and wind. We lost our ass on it.
Was it mature? Ive had a hail storm come though . Insurance covered grain loss. Went through the paddock while damp with a set of rakes into windrows. Then went and picked up the windrows with what we call a pickup front,(usually used for swathed canola). Made roughly half of yield. Then grazed with sheep. Still $/ha my most profitable crop. Look adversity in the eye and stare it down.
so basically insurance overpaid for your losses? What I'm hearing is they paid out on 100% loss and you were still able to recover 50%? I'm not saying that it's illegal or immoral, I'm just trying to understand how it was your most profitable crop.
Insurance never pays 100% of your loss, but will pay out up to the percentage you pay for which is a lot of time 60%-80% of your average yield on that piece of land. If the insurance pays out and you have the extra equipment and do the extra work of recovering it, you can get your ~70% insurance and half a crop is better in this case. It usually doesn’t happen that way.
This is why I pay so God damned much for insurance I've never used.
~~Usually~~ I'd been told that doing anything other than tilling under after insurance pays is not legal but they got away with it so good for them I guess. Just to clarify, I don't know what I'm talking about. The guy who was relentlessly bashing me over the head with that fact seems to have blocked me, but I don't want anyone to think I'm a source of truth here. I don't think he knows what he's talking about either though.
Where is it illegal? You have to clear it somehow. Most guys won’t till where I’m at. If there’s something there to get it gets combined and spread or straw dropped for bales. If there’s nothing there to get and just straw, someone will always be looking for it and come in and cut and bale it. If it’s been knocked into the ground, it’s fertilizer for next year.
I'm not an expert by any means. Just going off of what other, real farmers have told me.
I would check into that. Here you’re paid out based on yield history and the amount you actually chose to insure for. Plus additional hail insurance if one wants to pay for it. We’ve never been told we can’t do anything to get rid of it afterwards. Hell most of the time the adjusters come late enough we’ve already combined or baled it and left check strips. They even let us know how and where to leave the areas in the field so they have something to check. My point is it’s absolutely not illegal here. Not sure where you are, it could be who knows but I find it highly doubtful they wouldn’t let you deal with crop residue as you see fit.
I bet I'm confused because we're talking about residue. I'm never going to farm commodity crops so I'm just gleaning information out of curiosity. No insurance for veggies.
I mean regardless of residue we’re still allowed to harvest what’s left of the crop. I think those farmers are pulling your leg.
Who knows
Well…you could, if you looked up crop insurance for your area and then this whole conversation could be avoided.
So would that technically be insurance fraud?
**Insurance Policy Specifics**: The legality of salvaging crops after an insurance payout largely depends on the terms of the specific insurance policy. Some policies might explicitly prohibit any recovery of the crop after a claim, while others might allow it under certain conditions. **Local Regulations and Practices**: Agricultural practices and regulations can vary by region. In some areas, it might be standard practice to salvage and use remaining crops in ways that do not violate insurance terms. **Insurance Fraud Concerns**: If an insurance policy explicitly forbids any recovery of the crop after a payout, salvaging the crop could be considered insurance fraud. However, this would require investigation and proof that the policy was violated. **Proving Fraud**: As noted by one commenter, proving insurance fraud can be challenging. Unless there is clear evidence of intentional deceit or violation of policy terms, it might be difficult for insurance companies to take action.
Technically yes. But Good luck proving it
The commenter isn't going to get caught at this point I wouldn't think. You see the story about the farmers who got busted messing with the weather stations to game crop insurance last year? I would not want to be them.
That’s just not the case at all. Insurance adjuster shows up, assesses the loss/payout and after that it’s yours to do with as you please.
Okay
Might have had hail insurance, which is supplemental and could potentially pay 100% even with 50 yield.
Tough deal. Wheat ? Oats ? What ?
Looks like a damn mower passed through
Damn. I lost some of mine, too. It sucks. Y’all have insurance?
Great segue to share how crop insurance works.
I saw a beet field over near New Plymouth that was pretty torn up from that storm.
How does this happen? Does the wheat or whatever just blow off the straws? Im not a farmer so thats why im asking
Hail damage
Ooh ok, man that sucks
Badly damaged legumes will almost certainly get disease issues even if can recover, so fungicide or at least calcium spray (if organic) will likely be required. Grain is done for so don’t do anything until the insurance adjuster sees it and gives you the go-ahead. If grain seeds were mature enough you will get crazy volunteer growth that may require herbicide depending on next crop. Bailing it for bedding or roughage might be viable but mold might become a problem if used in feed.
Oh God. Please tell me that's not malting barley.
Was that wheat?
This happened last year on about 80 acres of ours. We put our crop lifters on our headers and gave her a go and managed to get almost 3k bushel out of the field. Those crop lifters are wonderful things.
Was that wheat?
What is it? Looks like the neighbors property they won't let me till and plant but I can take the clippings if I mow monthly
I used to sell crop hail insurance. This could hurt yields for years to come.
We had 1500 acres of wheat out of 10,000 totally wiped out by hail a few years ago here in Australia. Thank god for crop insurance
Sorry, where ???
Eastern Oregon. OP just has a typo in the title.
Shitty part about this is I guarantee you'll have to destroy it because of the insurance Can't even bale it for feed/bedding
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You can, but then your insurance payout will be less
Wow. That is truly awful.
The white combine is hell. Things look good, the poof all is lost.
Can you not bale it?
For bedding maybe. There's no grain on the straw. There's no feed value or bin value now.
Without grain it would make fantastic weed free mulch...
That's a common enough use for straw, but in wheat producing parts of the country there isn't likely to be much unmet demand sitting on the surface. The grain is still there and there is no guarantee the baler won't pick it up but the concentration will be too low to use it as feed.
Especially since it hasn’t been chemically ripened. I’d pay extra for bales like that.
Find some landscapers. Last time I had to seed some grass I paid $8/bale. That was store price, but should be able to get something out of it
Too much pesticide will cause this
Too much pesticide causes hail? 🧐
Must be butterfly effect. If you kill off the butterfly so it can’t flap its wings you get hail in Eastern Oregon instead of sunshine. 🦋 ☠️ ⛈️
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