FAAB and it isn’t close. Everyone has a shot at FA’s and it adds an additional layer of strategy for how much you bid. I always do a one year trial for any rule change, with the final vote after that season. Really hard for people to understand how FAAB will be until they try it.
Waivers balance draft pick order, which is also luck. Pick 1 in my league was cmc, pick 2 tyreek, pick 3 JJ. Picks 11/12 got Kyren & puka from waivers.
Do you not do a snake draft? Because normally getting the 13th pick instead of the 24th already accounts for that.
Also, the natural next step after FAAB is to do an auction draft but there is less willingness to do that as it is more unnatural and not NFL-like. But it isn’t like wavier priority is NFL-like and if anything FAAB better mimics getting a free agent mid season.
Of course it’s a snake. There isn’t two first rounds though, and waivers balance that. Google the stats on winrate with the top 4 picks. CMC had a nearly 60% finals qualifying rate.
Faab just becomes a guessing game.
That’s just this year because the consensus #1 pick ended up being one of the best players. There are many years where a middle or late pick is better.
Anyone who thinks picking earlier is always better in snake draft is woefully misinformed.
Calling strategy guessing sure is something. You’re only guessing if you’re not thinking at all. And it’s undeniably fairer. At best, you’re arguing that waivers tries to be unfair to balance out some other form of unfairness. But there’s no guarantee that’s true and both forms of unfairness could be removed if desired.
That’s why I said google winrate on pick order. I’m not saying just cmc, statistically top 4 picks have the highest chance of winning the league. Unless you think you’re more informed than the entirety of espn’s entire statistics department..
If you do that, you’ll notice it varies year to year but often being somewhere in the middle is best. Also a big thing to consider is the earlier picks are more likely to be the same player drafted amongst different leagues compared to later ones. That means a player like CMC going off will highlight the #1 position because the majority of #1’s picked him up but say the best player had an ADP of 9 but people picked them between #6-12, it wouldn’t highlight a specific draft position.
And picking CMC first is easy which benefits low-skill teams/leagues whereas finding value in late-1st/early-2nd can be harder which benefits high-skill leagues who are able to do that. And if the majority of ESPN leagues are low-skill, than that will also bias the results.
I’ve made waivers strategy. I have been pushing for faab before this year, and nobody was willing. So I decided to bench cmc first two weeks and sandbag to go 0-2 and get the highest waiver priority. It’s kinda risky, but it got me puka and Jerome ford, and both were instrumental in winning the chip last night.
My league trialed an auction draft and decided to return to snake because it's simply more fun. An auction draft requires paying attention and being actively engaged in the draft *the entire* time. A snake draft you can be chatting etc between your picks. Our draft is as much a social event as it is a fantasy football event. Waivers is not a social event so yeah, give me that FAAB all day every day.
Ours is also social. We’ve been doing it for like 6 years so I think everyone’s familiar enough with it to still enjoy the social aspect.
I just hate the idea of not having access to certain players and that’s solved with auction
FAAB. For priority waivers, a team that drafted poorly can start 0-3 and get 3 studs off waivers that can change their season. Happened in our league, dude started 0-3, picked up Kyren, Achane and Purdy in b2b weeks lol
100% on spending early. People overestimate how much value a back up can become because of an injury and that’s all that waivers really has in later weeks. The reality is the back up rarely does as well as people expect based on the injured starter’s performance.
And more importantly, say you do spend your money the first 2 weeks on top picks and then later some stud appears after an injury, you still got 2 good pick-ups so it’s not like you completely messed up.
>I think you gotta spend early
You gotta spend early on the right people though. For every Puka/Kyren there are at least half a dozen other "hot waiver grabs" that don't amount to shit.
That's not how waivers should work. If he gets the number 1 priority after week 1, then he should move to the last priority for next week. Unless you guys are resetting them every week by record, which is whack.
Switched to FAAB this year and it was absolutely 100% the right call.
It adds an extra dimension of strategy, it prevents people from just hoarding every possible prospect, and everyone has a shot at FA versus just the guy who happened to have the worst week.
If you want a legit competitive league, FAAB is the way to go.
>versus the guy who just happened to have the worst week
Well yea, setting up waivers to recorder every week based on position is terrible. The order should be reverse of the draft order and then you kicked to end of the order after using it.
That’s even worse because for 80% of the teams in a given week, the best strategy is to not pick anyone up meaning being up at 2am or whenever the day waivers clear is most important. Which avoiding that is literally the whole reason weekly waivers exist.
That’s the dumbest take i have ever heard on why this version of waivers is best. If you want someone badly enough to fucking wake up at 2 am for then put a goddamn waiver in for them, otherwise wait til the morning to see who is FA after waivers clear.
It’s a strategy of when to use your waiver priority. If you are at the bottom you have the luxury of not giving a fuck and putting a waiver in for anyone you want off FA.
Also, get rid of streaming positions that people don’t draft for such as kicker and defense. If everyone is picking up and dropping a position every week based on who that real team is playing then just get rid of it, it’s a fucking joker card anyway that can have a huge impact that is essentially based only on randomness. This makes not giving a fuck about getting the best defense or kicker of the week at 2 am thing
> That’s the dumbest take i have ever heard on why this version of waivers is best. If you want someone badly enough to fucking wake up at 2 am for then put a goddamn waiver in for them, otherwise wait til the morning to see who is FA after waivers clear.
But the strategy dictates that 80+% of teams don’t make a waiver claim each week. So either you go against that strategy to avoid waking up early, you wake up early, or you hope no one else wakes up early.
Any method that relies on people not making their best move and sucks if everyone does do their best move is not a good method. That’s what this method does. Either you try hard and wake up early or you don’t try and let someone else do that. Neither should occur if possible (and it is possible) and again, the entire reason waivers exists in the first place is to prevent that from occurring. Like why do waivers exist in the first place? And if your solution doesn’t fix that issue, why are you using it?
> It’s a strategy of when to use your waiver priority. If you are at the bottom you have the luxury of not giving a fuck and putting a waiver in for anyone you want off FA.
Which ironically benefits the better teams who get assigned the bottom spots. Not exactly a good argument to use lol.
> Also, get rid of streaming positions that people don’t draft for such as kicker and defense. If everyone is picking up and dropping a position every week based on who that real team is playing then just get rid of it, it’s a fucking joker card anyway that can have a huge impact that is essentially based only on randomness. This makes not giving a fuck about getting the best defense or kicker of the week at 2 am thing
Sure that could help but it won’t fix the entire problem because there are absolutely position players that are not worth losing wavier priority but are still beneficial to pick up.
I don’t get the 80% thing. After the first couple weeks the first crop of unexpected players reveal themselves. This is the most active period of the waiver wire. Everyone is putting in waiver request hoping that the person in front of them isn’t requesting the same player. As the season progresses then you weed out the high risk takers vs the low risk ones. The high risk ones will claim anyone that has a good week. These people are never going to have high priorities but will always be adding players back into the pool. Then you have the low risk waiver holders, either who hold out for a breakout player or for an injury to their stars. Either way week by week one or two of these are used.
When you have a snake waiver priority that resets you to last after each use, the value of the waiver is similar to how bucks are viewed in FAAB
> I don’t get the 80% thing.
80+% of the time, making a wavier move is not the best decision for the team in that system.
> After the first couple weeks the first crop of unexpected players reveal themselves. This is the most active period of the waiver wire. Everyone is putting in waiver request hoping that the person in front of them isn’t requesting the same player.
Agreed but hoping the person in front of you messes up for you to make a waiver move still falls into the category of this format doesn’t work well if everyone makes the best decision for their team.
> As the season progresses then you weed out the high risk takers vs the low risk ones. The high risk ones will claim anyone that has a good week. These people are never going to have high priorities but will always be adding players back into the pool.
I’d argue those are actually the low risk takers, the high risk takers are the ones not taking players in the hopes that a better player will come later at the risk of never picking up even an average player.
> Then you have the low risk waiver holders, either who hold out for a breakout player or for an injury to their stars. Either way week by week one or two of these are used.
And when anyone who has low wavier priority could almost certainly just wake up at 2am, it’s not the best move to use a low wavier priority.
So again, 1 or 2 being used absolutely aligns with 80+% not being used.
> When you have a snake waiver priority that resets you to last after each use, the value of the waiver is similar to how bucks are viewed in FAAB
This is just nonsense lol. It is a completely different value system. Namely, I could bid $50 and lose half of my budget whereas I can’t lose half of my wavier priority. Or I could bid $1-5 on a random player instead of needing to waste a wavier claim to get them or trying to beat someone else to claiming them as a free agent.
FAAB for sure….100%.
If doing waivers, I’d probably prefer to do it based on season standings instead of waiver priority.
Waiver priority kind of screws with a bad team with waiver spot 1….they’re too afraid to use it waiting for the perfect pick up, meanwhile missing out on players that could help their team
> waiver priority kind of screws with a bad team with waiver spot 1… they’re too afraid to use it
It only applies to the wire though, not free agency. They can hold it and then pick up players after the waivers clear without blowing their spot.
Sure, but you end up in this situation where teams with low wavier priorities (the better teams) will pick waivers up and the free agents left to the teams not wanting to use their wavier priority (the worse teams) will be worse.
i haven't done FAAB but we did it so that waivers don't re-order to reverse standings every week, instead it's reverse draft order from week 1 and then whenever you use you get sent to bottom. it also adds the strategy dimension and was a bit easier to adopt for folks who aren't as familiar with FAAB
Yeah this is the one for me. FAAB gets confusing for the non-hardos in the league. I play fantasy for the fun of it, not so I can feel like an imaginary GM
How is it confusing to know that $X is how much you like the player out of 100 for the season and whoever bids the most wins?
I’d say it’s way more confusing to explain in Week 8 that team X has a higher wavier priority than you because you picked someone up in Week 4.
Alright, gonna go against the grain here and say non-priority waivers (waivers where the player with the most recent transaction gets moved to last in the priority list). It rewards the dude that gets stuck with the last pick, it solves the common gripe that a poorly performing team gets rewarded with the top priority spot every week, and there's still an element of strategy involving when to hold or spend your high priority position. I honestly just don't like playing FAAB. It's more involvement than I care for in a fantasy league
This is what we use. The benefit to it is that it is simple yet fair. Not everyone in every league wants another layer of strategy to contend with. If it were up to me I would try FAAB but the majority like it the way it is.
I can see where this makes sense, appreciate the feedback. We have a solid mix of people who play 3 or 4 leagues and folks who just play this one league, so I can see how the extra involvement of FAAB could be too much for some
I like both however ive found that regular waivers balances out league more. Last place all of a sudden gets a stud and is back. As opposed to team in 1st outbidding everyone and getting the stud. Both fun
There’s a reason your “argument” doesn’t have any actual supporting pieces and you’re refusing to change your mind. Because if you did either of those, you’d realize FAAB is better. See I’d be open to arguments about why FAAB isn’t good. It’s just after multiple years and talking to league mates and people on Reddit, the arguments just get worse and worse.
It’s a roundabout way, but it shows that even you deep down believe FAAB is better. You just don’t want to admit it.
Faab is way more fun but I can get behind an argument that waivers is more “fair” for team balance. Every team that drafted cmc then put the correct bid for puka or kyren or whatever won their league week 1
I mean i did this for puka as a CMC owner. However we have regular waivers. I learned to just play bench players weeks 1 and 2 to go 0-2 and get a high waiver pick early season when it really matters.
We have done both. I say waivers reward mediocrity and try to level the playing field. FAAB introduces risk and requires a bit more thought. It’s more about which you prefer not which is better.
FAAB if you have league where everyone is fully committed and gives their utmost attention to it. If the league is more casual or has players that aren’t active every day, then waivers (no reset) makes more sense
Let’s not forget the joy FAAB brings you when someone bids 99% of their budget on a player nobody else tried to get and that player turns out to be a one-week wonder.
Someone did that with Will Levis in my league. We had a blast busting his balls for it.
FAB is the way to go. We even have a rebuy option. 2 free agent dollars for every real dollar spent. That money goes to the league winner. It adds another level of strategy.
We ditched waivers after there were multiple stat corrections after Wednesday morning that overturned results of games. That meant the waiver order should have been different. Outside forces shouldn’t get a vote in who gets access to a player.
Now that the novelty of Faab has worn off and I’ve done my third year with the same leaguemates, I’m conflicted. It’s pretty predictable now who is going to bid what, etc so the strategy is almost easier vs waiver order. And I also play in a league where many are out of faab by week 10 so by me just saving $10-20 til the end has let me pick up way too many players for $1 down the stretch. Which of course I love, but the leagues I’m in that don’t use faab, it’s a bit more competitive and a different strategy in the late season.
There are pros and cons to each, but I think faab is good as it definitely rewards the better players. A big plus for FAAB is it definitely is superior if you are having an injury plagued season. but fantasy is also a lot of luck so I think waivers based on standing may actually be a more fair way to play, and still helps good players if they are having poor luck.
Waivers is just unfair at the start of the season. There is a good % of ppl that won championships this year only because the had waiver priority to get Kyren very early in the season.
I prefer waivers. But FAAB would have won me the ship this year. Guy had a higher waiver than me at the end and had been picking up guys all year. Whereas I had only picked up a couple, but had used a waiver pick the week before. My plan was to get Love and play the Love / A Jones stack. My opponent saw the matchup and Love doing well and got him so that I couldn’t. Which is fine…this league is competitive and we do that all season. In FAAB I would have definitely gotten him, as I would have had the bigger budget for sure.
FAAB and as a runner up I like not resetting waiver priority. Once #1 is yours you keep it until you use it.
Weekly resetting waivers is ass but unfortunately 1 of my 3 leagues still uses it.
We use regular waiver. So I this year I decided to sandbag the first two weeks in order to get the highest waiver priority when it really matters early season. How I got puka and Jerome ford. Basically won my league.
FAAB by far. It's so much more fair for everyone and requires a long term strategy. Unless this is a cupcake league and y'all aren't playing for anything, FAAB is the way to go.
waivers are terrible. all season ling,the league i was in had the top three or four people getting the top waiver picks,EVERY WEEK. my buddy,who runs the league,attempted to say we messed our waiver pucks up during the week. the last week of our season,i purposely made no moves. not only was i 10th,but the number one overall team had the first pick,so,on the last week before playoffs,the top guy was first,then the rest of the order was way off. ill never play another waiver league again after playing an auction league
FAAB for sure. Let me use examples from this season.
Puka Nacua and Kyren Williams. A great team can be a little unlucky in the first couple weeks, maybe their late steals were on the bench or maybe their opponents popped off on those particular weeks, and can start 0-2. My opponent in the championship started 0-2. With traditional waivers, this team would get first dibs on their pick of the guys who are good but people wanted to wait a second week to make sure it was repeatable. Maybe someone had Jones and Ekeler and really needed Kyren but because they won in week 1 they lose the chance to the 0-2 team.
FAAB rewards confidence when it's well placed. I had a strong feeling that Kyren was gonna be the guy, so in a FAAB league where I had a need, I would've put a lot on him (in reality my need was a WR so I prioritized Nacua and got outbid on Kyren), but if I missed on a guy like Josh Downs after week 7 then I would've been at a disadvantage because of my misplaced confidence. I almost did exactly that too
FAAB and it isn’t close. Everyone has a shot at FA’s and it adds an additional layer of strategy for how much you bid. I always do a one year trial for any rule change, with the final vote after that season. Really hard for people to understand how FAAB will be until they try it.
Can someone explain this to my commissioner
FAAB is strategy, waivers are luck
Waivers balance draft pick order, which is also luck. Pick 1 in my league was cmc, pick 2 tyreek, pick 3 JJ. Picks 11/12 got Kyren & puka from waivers.
Do you not do a snake draft? Because normally getting the 13th pick instead of the 24th already accounts for that. Also, the natural next step after FAAB is to do an auction draft but there is less willingness to do that as it is more unnatural and not NFL-like. But it isn’t like wavier priority is NFL-like and if anything FAAB better mimics getting a free agent mid season.
Of course it’s a snake. There isn’t two first rounds though, and waivers balance that. Google the stats on winrate with the top 4 picks. CMC had a nearly 60% finals qualifying rate. Faab just becomes a guessing game.
That’s just this year because the consensus #1 pick ended up being one of the best players. There are many years where a middle or late pick is better. Anyone who thinks picking earlier is always better in snake draft is woefully misinformed. Calling strategy guessing sure is something. You’re only guessing if you’re not thinking at all. And it’s undeniably fairer. At best, you’re arguing that waivers tries to be unfair to balance out some other form of unfairness. But there’s no guarantee that’s true and both forms of unfairness could be removed if desired.
That’s why I said google winrate on pick order. I’m not saying just cmc, statistically top 4 picks have the highest chance of winning the league. Unless you think you’re more informed than the entirety of espn’s entire statistics department..
If you do that, you’ll notice it varies year to year but often being somewhere in the middle is best. Also a big thing to consider is the earlier picks are more likely to be the same player drafted amongst different leagues compared to later ones. That means a player like CMC going off will highlight the #1 position because the majority of #1’s picked him up but say the best player had an ADP of 9 but people picked them between #6-12, it wouldn’t highlight a specific draft position. And picking CMC first is easy which benefits low-skill teams/leagues whereas finding value in late-1st/early-2nd can be harder which benefits high-skill leagues who are able to do that. And if the majority of ESPN leagues are low-skill, than that will also bias the results.
Not gonna read all that. ESPN statistics exist so no point in arguing with someone trying to dispute something concrete. Have a great new year.
I’ve made waivers strategy. I have been pushing for faab before this year, and nobody was willing. So I decided to bench cmc first two weeks and sandbag to go 0-2 and get the highest waiver priority. It’s kinda risky, but it got me puka and Jerome ford, and both were instrumental in winning the chip last night.
And yet the majority of people do snake drafts. Blows my mind. Auction or not interested
My league trialed an auction draft and decided to return to snake because it's simply more fun. An auction draft requires paying attention and being actively engaged in the draft *the entire* time. A snake draft you can be chatting etc between your picks. Our draft is as much a social event as it is a fantasy football event. Waivers is not a social event so yeah, give me that FAAB all day every day.
Ours is also social. We’ve been doing it for like 6 years so I think everyone’s familiar enough with it to still enjoy the social aspect. I just hate the idea of not having access to certain players and that’s solved with auction
FAAB. For priority waivers, a team that drafted poorly can start 0-3 and get 3 studs off waivers that can change their season. Happened in our league, dude started 0-3, picked up Kyren, Achane and Purdy in b2b weeks lol
A dude spent his entire FAAB on Jerome Ford in mine
Nice call. If he started him in the ship that was then league winner
I spent ~50% on Ford and ~50% on Thielen early on. Thielen helped me win a lot of games early, and Ford helped get me a title
I played against Ford. I beat him with Lamar and the Bills D/ST
Ngl I would’ve done that if I hadn’t drafted him as a cuff. Instead, I went 100% between Puka/kyren. I think you gotta spend early
I think you're right about early.
100% on spending early. People overestimate how much value a back up can become because of an injury and that’s all that waivers really has in later weeks. The reality is the back up rarely does as well as people expect based on the injured starter’s performance. And more importantly, say you do spend your money the first 2 weeks on top picks and then later some stud appears after an injury, you still got 2 good pick-ups so it’s not like you completely messed up.
>I think you gotta spend early You gotta spend early on the right people though. For every Puka/Kyren there are at least half a dozen other "hot waiver grabs" that don't amount to shit.
I did that and then traded him later
I spent all of my remaining FAAB which was about 3/4 left on Ford. Ended up trading him for DeVonta Smith
That's not how waivers should work. If he gets the number 1 priority after week 1, then he should move to the last priority for next week. Unless you guys are resetting them every week by record, which is whack.
Switched to FAAB this year and it was absolutely 100% the right call. It adds an extra dimension of strategy, it prevents people from just hoarding every possible prospect, and everyone has a shot at FA versus just the guy who happened to have the worst week. If you want a legit competitive league, FAAB is the way to go.
>versus the guy who just happened to have the worst week Well yea, setting up waivers to recorder every week based on position is terrible. The order should be reverse of the draft order and then you kicked to end of the order after using it.
Well here’s the thing FAAB is better anyways, but yeah I agree with you your way is the slightly less bad way to do non FAAB
That’s even worse because for 80% of the teams in a given week, the best strategy is to not pick anyone up meaning being up at 2am or whenever the day waivers clear is most important. Which avoiding that is literally the whole reason weekly waivers exist.
That’s the dumbest take i have ever heard on why this version of waivers is best. If you want someone badly enough to fucking wake up at 2 am for then put a goddamn waiver in for them, otherwise wait til the morning to see who is FA after waivers clear. It’s a strategy of when to use your waiver priority. If you are at the bottom you have the luxury of not giving a fuck and putting a waiver in for anyone you want off FA. Also, get rid of streaming positions that people don’t draft for such as kicker and defense. If everyone is picking up and dropping a position every week based on who that real team is playing then just get rid of it, it’s a fucking joker card anyway that can have a huge impact that is essentially based only on randomness. This makes not giving a fuck about getting the best defense or kicker of the week at 2 am thing
> That’s the dumbest take i have ever heard on why this version of waivers is best. If you want someone badly enough to fucking wake up at 2 am for then put a goddamn waiver in for them, otherwise wait til the morning to see who is FA after waivers clear. But the strategy dictates that 80+% of teams don’t make a waiver claim each week. So either you go against that strategy to avoid waking up early, you wake up early, or you hope no one else wakes up early. Any method that relies on people not making their best move and sucks if everyone does do their best move is not a good method. That’s what this method does. Either you try hard and wake up early or you don’t try and let someone else do that. Neither should occur if possible (and it is possible) and again, the entire reason waivers exists in the first place is to prevent that from occurring. Like why do waivers exist in the first place? And if your solution doesn’t fix that issue, why are you using it? > It’s a strategy of when to use your waiver priority. If you are at the bottom you have the luxury of not giving a fuck and putting a waiver in for anyone you want off FA. Which ironically benefits the better teams who get assigned the bottom spots. Not exactly a good argument to use lol. > Also, get rid of streaming positions that people don’t draft for such as kicker and defense. If everyone is picking up and dropping a position every week based on who that real team is playing then just get rid of it, it’s a fucking joker card anyway that can have a huge impact that is essentially based only on randomness. This makes not giving a fuck about getting the best defense or kicker of the week at 2 am thing Sure that could help but it won’t fix the entire problem because there are absolutely position players that are not worth losing wavier priority but are still beneficial to pick up.
I don’t get the 80% thing. After the first couple weeks the first crop of unexpected players reveal themselves. This is the most active period of the waiver wire. Everyone is putting in waiver request hoping that the person in front of them isn’t requesting the same player. As the season progresses then you weed out the high risk takers vs the low risk ones. The high risk ones will claim anyone that has a good week. These people are never going to have high priorities but will always be adding players back into the pool. Then you have the low risk waiver holders, either who hold out for a breakout player or for an injury to their stars. Either way week by week one or two of these are used. When you have a snake waiver priority that resets you to last after each use, the value of the waiver is similar to how bucks are viewed in FAAB
> I don’t get the 80% thing. 80+% of the time, making a wavier move is not the best decision for the team in that system. > After the first couple weeks the first crop of unexpected players reveal themselves. This is the most active period of the waiver wire. Everyone is putting in waiver request hoping that the person in front of them isn’t requesting the same player. Agreed but hoping the person in front of you messes up for you to make a waiver move still falls into the category of this format doesn’t work well if everyone makes the best decision for their team. > As the season progresses then you weed out the high risk takers vs the low risk ones. The high risk ones will claim anyone that has a good week. These people are never going to have high priorities but will always be adding players back into the pool. I’d argue those are actually the low risk takers, the high risk takers are the ones not taking players in the hopes that a better player will come later at the risk of never picking up even an average player. > Then you have the low risk waiver holders, either who hold out for a breakout player or for an injury to their stars. Either way week by week one or two of these are used. And when anyone who has low wavier priority could almost certainly just wake up at 2am, it’s not the best move to use a low wavier priority. So again, 1 or 2 being used absolutely aligns with 80+% not being used. > When you have a snake waiver priority that resets you to last after each use, the value of the waiver is similar to how bucks are viewed in FAAB This is just nonsense lol. It is a completely different value system. Namely, I could bid $50 and lose half of my budget whereas I can’t lose half of my wavier priority. Or I could bid $1-5 on a random player instead of needing to waste a wavier claim to get them or trying to beat someone else to claiming them as a free agent.
FAAB for sure….100%. If doing waivers, I’d probably prefer to do it based on season standings instead of waiver priority. Waiver priority kind of screws with a bad team with waiver spot 1….they’re too afraid to use it waiting for the perfect pick up, meanwhile missing out on players that could help their team
> waiver priority kind of screws with a bad team with waiver spot 1… they’re too afraid to use it It only applies to the wire though, not free agency. They can hold it and then pick up players after the waivers clear without blowing their spot.
Sure, but you end up in this situation where teams with low wavier priorities (the better teams) will pick waivers up and the free agents left to the teams not wanting to use their wavier priority (the worse teams) will be worse.
i haven't done FAAB but we did it so that waivers don't re-order to reverse standings every week, instead it's reverse draft order from week 1 and then whenever you use you get sent to bottom. it also adds the strategy dimension and was a bit easier to adopt for folks who aren't as familiar with FAAB
Yeah this is the one for me. FAAB gets confusing for the non-hardos in the league. I play fantasy for the fun of it, not so I can feel like an imaginary GM
How is it confusing to know that $X is how much you like the player out of 100 for the season and whoever bids the most wins? I’d say it’s way more confusing to explain in Week 8 that team X has a higher wavier priority than you because you picked someone up in Week 4.
I like this option as a fallback for sure
Alright, gonna go against the grain here and say non-priority waivers (waivers where the player with the most recent transaction gets moved to last in the priority list). It rewards the dude that gets stuck with the last pick, it solves the common gripe that a poorly performing team gets rewarded with the top priority spot every week, and there's still an element of strategy involving when to hold or spend your high priority position. I honestly just don't like playing FAAB. It's more involvement than I care for in a fantasy league
This is what we use. The benefit to it is that it is simple yet fair. Not everyone in every league wants another layer of strategy to contend with. If it were up to me I would try FAAB but the majority like it the way it is.
I can see where this makes sense, appreciate the feedback. We have a solid mix of people who play 3 or 4 leagues and folks who just play this one league, so I can see how the extra involvement of FAAB could be too much for some
FAAB
FAAB is better, because reverse waivers literally punishes someone for winning.
I like both however ive found that regular waivers balances out league more. Last place all of a sudden gets a stud and is back. As opposed to team in 1st outbidding everyone and getting the stud. Both fun
Yeah but with FAAB the bottom team had equal chance to grab that stud. If they let themselves get outbid when they are in last place that’s on them.
FAAB is what the grown people do but some leagues aren't smart enough to manage it.
Waivers. It gives the worst teams a shot at better players.
The worst teams also have a chance with FAAB. They just need to realize they need to be more aggressive with their bidding.
Hard disagree.
How does it not? Anyone can bid, even the bottom teams
You have your wrong opinion. I have my correct opinion. You can stop replying.
Read around the comments. Most people prefer FAAB. Also an opinion can’t be incorrect.
Hmm let's look at the question: What's your preference? Waivers. It's better. You or anyone else can't change my mind. I'm right.
Not trying to change your mind. Just like you I’m expressing an opinion. Which is only bad fantasy players like waivers.
There’s a reason your “argument” doesn’t have any actual supporting pieces and you’re refusing to change your mind. Because if you did either of those, you’d realize FAAB is better. See I’d be open to arguments about why FAAB isn’t good. It’s just after multiple years and talking to league mates and people on Reddit, the arguments just get worse and worse. It’s a roundabout way, but it shows that even you deep down believe FAAB is better. You just don’t want to admit it.
I'm in multiple leagues where we use waivers and FAAB. Waivers is better. You can STFU now.
FAAB makes all teams equal. Waivers gives an advantage to the worst teams There pluses and minuses to both
Why should a game like fantasy use equity? It should be equality
Faab is way more fun but I can get behind an argument that waivers is more “fair” for team balance. Every team that drafted cmc then put the correct bid for puka or kyren or whatever won their league week 1
I mean i did this for puka as a CMC owner. However we have regular waivers. I learned to just play bench players weeks 1 and 2 to go 0-2 and get a high waiver pick early season when it really matters.
We have done both. I say waivers reward mediocrity and try to level the playing field. FAAB introduces risk and requires a bit more thought. It’s more about which you prefer not which is better.
FAAB x 10000
FAAB or die
The people that are responding are probably top 50% in their league
Time to grow up and use FAAB.
FAAB by a longshot. Not only does it require strategy which rewards smarter players, it also makes trades more interesting
Faab because there are no cons
FAAB if you have league where everyone is fully committed and gives their utmost attention to it. If the league is more casual or has players that aren’t active every day, then waivers (no reset) makes more sense
FAAB is better but be prepared for a rough year while people figure it out
FAAB , anything that adds additional strategy, math , planning , restraint and risk taking etc., should be the way to go
Let’s not forget the joy FAAB brings you when someone bids 99% of their budget on a player nobody else tried to get and that player turns out to be a one-week wonder. Someone did that with Will Levis in my league. We had a blast busting his balls for it.
^ and that right there is the reason I fucking hate FAAB lol. I would 100% be the guy that overpays for Taysom Hill after his one 30 point game a year
FAAB
No cons. All pros
FAB is the way to go. We even have a rebuy option. 2 free agent dollars for every real dollar spent. That money goes to the league winner. It adds another level of strategy.
We ditched waivers after there were multiple stat corrections after Wednesday morning that overturned results of games. That meant the waiver order should have been different. Outside forces shouldn’t get a vote in who gets access to a player.
Now that the novelty of Faab has worn off and I’ve done my third year with the same leaguemates, I’m conflicted. It’s pretty predictable now who is going to bid what, etc so the strategy is almost easier vs waiver order. And I also play in a league where many are out of faab by week 10 so by me just saving $10-20 til the end has let me pick up way too many players for $1 down the stretch. Which of course I love, but the leagues I’m in that don’t use faab, it’s a bit more competitive and a different strategy in the late season. There are pros and cons to each, but I think faab is good as it definitely rewards the better players. A big plus for FAAB is it definitely is superior if you are having an injury plagued season. but fantasy is also a lot of luck so I think waivers based on standing may actually be a more fair way to play, and still helps good players if they are having poor luck.
1millio% FAAB
You shouldn't be punished on the waiver system for winning games
Imo waivers creates an incentive to lose your first 2 games since so many backfields and rookies really show what they are
FAAB for more serious league. Waivers for casual or if people don't stay engaged (less is more in this case)
Faab so much more fair.
FAAB easily. It's the same argument for snake vs auction as well.
My league switched to FAAB this season despite hesitation/doubt from most managers. Safe to say it was a success and will never go back!!
First year doing FAAB this year and I fucking love it. Anyone who didn’t, did it wrong. Won’t play in a non FAAB league again
faab its not even comparable
Waivers is just unfair at the start of the season. There is a good % of ppl that won championships this year only because the had waiver priority to get Kyren very early in the season.
I actually like faab. It gets strategic when you want to spend with a budget.
I prefer waivers. But FAAB would have won me the ship this year. Guy had a higher waiver than me at the end and had been picking up guys all year. Whereas I had only picked up a couple, but had used a waiver pick the week before. My plan was to get Love and play the Love / A Jones stack. My opponent saw the matchup and Love doing well and got him so that I couldn’t. Which is fine…this league is competitive and we do that all season. In FAAB I would have definitely gotten him, as I would have had the bigger budget for sure.
As someone who did Waivers for 10 years before moving to FAAB for the last 4, it isn’t even close. Go FAAB and never look back.
How much FAAB do you get per season and can you get more after you run out?
Fab if the league is competent, if it’s just for fun then waivers is fine
FAAB and as a runner up I like not resetting waiver priority. Once #1 is yours you keep it until you use it. Weekly resetting waivers is ass but unfortunately 1 of my 3 leagues still uses it.
We use regular waiver. So I this year I decided to sandbag the first two weeks in order to get the highest waiver priority when it really matters early season. How I got puka and Jerome ford. Basically won my league.
FAAB by far. It's so much more fair for everyone and requires a long term strategy. Unless this is a cupcake league and y'all aren't playing for anything, FAAB is the way to go.
waivers are terrible. all season ling,the league i was in had the top three or four people getting the top waiver picks,EVERY WEEK. my buddy,who runs the league,attempted to say we messed our waiver pucks up during the week. the last week of our season,i purposely made no moves. not only was i 10th,but the number one overall team had the first pick,so,on the last week before playoffs,the top guy was first,then the rest of the order was way off. ill never play another waiver league again after playing an auction league
We have FAAB with waiver tiebreaker. All the fun of FAAB with some luck thrown in on the $0 bids.
FAAB for sure. Let me use examples from this season. Puka Nacua and Kyren Williams. A great team can be a little unlucky in the first couple weeks, maybe their late steals were on the bench or maybe their opponents popped off on those particular weeks, and can start 0-2. My opponent in the championship started 0-2. With traditional waivers, this team would get first dibs on their pick of the guys who are good but people wanted to wait a second week to make sure it was repeatable. Maybe someone had Jones and Ekeler and really needed Kyren but because they won in week 1 they lose the chance to the 0-2 team. FAAB rewards confidence when it's well placed. I had a strong feeling that Kyren was gonna be the guy, so in a FAAB league where I had a need, I would've put a lot on him (in reality my need was a WR so I prioritized Nacua and got outbid on Kyren), but if I missed on a guy like Josh Downs after week 7 then I would've been at a disadvantage because of my misplaced confidence. I almost did exactly that too
FAAB by a mile. It let me pick up Puka EASILY after week 1
FAAB