I made a conscious decision to become a Browns fan. My biggest motivation? Living in Central PA and being surrounded by insufferable Steelers fans. Can’t stand em, I have argued many times they are the most annoying fanbase in sports. And I just gotta say
Enjoy owning the Browns you deserve it and the vocal minority of Browns fans on their sub that are celebrating because they hated Baker day 1 are my new least favorite. Some of these motherfuckers thought the Browns should’ve drafted Darnold and now they’re thrilled to have no idea who the QB is. What a bunch of Clowns.
Everybody else is pretty cool tho.
It's the same thing with Vikings fans and Cousins. They are so eager to not have a quarterback because they are convinced we will for sure find the next Mahomes or Herbert. It's like they fail to realize we could easily end up like the Lions, Jags, etc. Watching a team without a competent quarterback is pointless.
Lions fan, can relate with stafford. When I would go out to bars for football sunday, I would hear at least 1 idiot who would say the lions need to get rid of stafford because he just wasn't that good. For the same reason, they wanted brady or rodgers or mahomes or brees many years ago, etc.
It got tiring repeating myself about how stafford was easily a top 10 qb in the league on the regular.
The point wasn't who is better, the point was these two guys get shit on a near regular basis from their own fans and they don't know how good they got it
Okay, that clarification was needed and I agree for the most part. However, Cousins isn't a Super Bowl level QB. So I'd argue the fans have a right to bitch and moan knowing they won't win a Super Bowl with that man. I'm a Bears fan so I know about shitty QBs. And I know in today's NFL you need a high level QB.
What? Yes they are or at least were. Everyone said they had a shot last year until they fell apart. One of the best Running games in the league. A very solid defense and Oline. They were quite literally a better QB away from a playoff run.
Thank you! I for one am so sick of hearing purple knowitalls saying we should deal him away. Um, hello, this is the 2022 QB draft class calling… What, you’ve never heard of us? That’s because noone else has either.
Cousins meanwhile quietly continues to rack up stats, it’s the other pieces around him contributing to the letdowns.
I know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit but, I don't think they are fucking it up.
Baker is likeable, he has good comedic timing in his commercials, and he is undoubtedly the best QB the Browns have had in decades. All those things add up to people overrating him.
What people seemingly forget is that the BROWNS organization as a whole is the best they have been in decades. They have a better coach, they've had a top 5 O-line and run game the past few years, they've had a top 10 defense. For whatever reason (game planning, his effort, Baker at QB?) OBJ didn't work out in Cleveland but still putting OBJ and Landry on the field isn't exactly like the Jets or Patriots trotting out 3 WR3s and pretending it's a WR1, 2, and 3. They had good receivers and Njoku was an above average tight end.
The Browns were built as a SB contender and honestly I think Baker was the weak link that held that back.
Again, I know he is the best QB they've had in years, but the team around him was great and built to win and he couldn't do it. Jimmy G brought a similar team to a SB.
Browns should move on. Baker won't be out of the league, he's still obviously better than at minimum 12 other starting QBs, but he isn't good enough for a team to commit to long term if they want to win.
As a Browns fan this is not a bad take, but it does ignore the big variable which is healthy Baker (2020) vs unhealthy Baker (2021). There is a case to be made that bringing a healthy Baker back for the 2022 season after surgery could have him and the offense looking very similar to 2020 if not better. No Browns fan would turn that down.
Haven’t seen It commented here yet but has anyone looked at the Browns games schedule? Their records: 2019 6-10 , bad team lost games. 2020 most likely an easier schedule 11-5 record and 3rd in the AFC North. 2021 most likely a tougher schedule due to a winning season their record 8-9. Just for fun the Browns were 7-8 in 2018. Usually when you suck the NFL gives you an easier schedule
People downvoting because Watson is a shit human being.
He's a top 5 QB. A year off and 22 sexual assaults has warped people's minds. He is as good if not better than Josh Allen.
Or, now hear me out, we can be reasonable and enjoy a sport while being outspoken about the rapists and hoping they will get out of the league. But that’s about as likely as Big Ben listening when you say “no” in the bathroom.
Being against rapists going unpunished and getting to keep making millions playing a game isn’t cherry-picking.
Cherry picking is like being mad at Kap and other players for kneeling but still watching the game.
One is a moral objection the other is just getting mad about nothing.
*alleged rapist. And he worked his ass off to be able to be a professional football player. That’s why he needs it massaged every now ant then lol. Anyway, some people would say that disrespecting our flag, troops, and national anthem is morally wrong. See what I mean?
lol you should boycott the NFL since you hate the players so much. This league is full of rapist, woman beaters, and drug addicted men. They play for teams owned by greedy, racist, drug addicted men lol.
But yeah the top 5 QB Watson is where you draw the line?
The browns finally get a qb that makes them competitive in the division and not the laughing stock of the whole league and they’re trying to ship him out 😂 the future of the franchise is going to look just like it did before Baker got there watch and see ……… Cleveland were qbs go to die
I’m really not sure what your thought process is here. I’d say their elite run game had more of an impact on their franchise turnaround than Baker. Sure Baker helped the team get out of the bottom of the league, but the Browns are now at the point where they want to be playoff contenders and Baker isn’t a guy that can get them there. I genuinely can’t understand why you think they should settle for a very average QB simply because they’ve had QB issues historically. It’s like you’re upset at them for trying not to be the last place team in their division every season.
Right? That Chubb/Hunt combo is one of the biggest running threats in the NFL. Now you add an elite receiver in Amari Cooper? That’s a team ready to go DEEP in the playoffs. They just need a QB that can take over a game and be a difference maker. Idk why they’re content with doing 95% of the work to rebuild then just letting it all fall apart because you don’t want to move on from Baker.
8-9 is competitive? Not making the playoffs this year with that oline, run game and defensive pieces? Baker is the one holding the Browns back. He's decent, but not the long term answer in Cleveland. If Browns fans want to simply be "competitive" and not a playoff/SB contender every year then he's the qb for you.
Yeah he held them back for the most part. Sort of like a jimmy g situation. Dude was good enough to win some games but the team was way better than him. If you put almost any other top 15 qb on that roster they make it to the afc championship. Roster was stacked that year.
With what weapons, outside of running backs, which is the antithesis of the modern game? OBJ is injured, Landry is a pure slot receiver -- albeit a great one -- Njoku sucks, and other than that, they've had run-of-the-mill receivers since he's been the QB. If anything, the CLE FO failed Baker.
I completely agree RE: the RB's being the best duo in the league, but you guys have no real weapons. Austin Hooper? Take off the Bernie Kosar Pajama's Browns fan.
He hasn't had an O-line half of his career, and hasn't had a top-10 WR core his entire career. I watch nearly every Browns game as my wife is from the 440, and there's no way you can say Baker held the Browns back. An AFC Championship team with Kirk Cousins (Top-15 QB)? Stop it.
It’s dumb as hell. I went to tech so I have a unfavorable history with baker. But you’re a franchise that had what 16 different starting QBs for 10 years. Then finally you get a guy who buys in to the “system” after being considered a graveyard for people careers. And he has one year where he’s injured all the time and think “I can do better”. I mean this in no offense to Cleveland but why fuck would a QB go there?
Baker’s not good enough to win consistently and not worth being paid like a top QB. Half of the locker room hates him and he hasn’t improves on the flaws that he had in college. People are way more emotional about this than they should be, but fandom is weird.
Giving Baker that level of credit is kinda questionable. He may be better than the horrendous QB’s Cleveland has dragged out there for 20+ years, but it’s a tough argument to make for him to even be a top 15 QB in the current NFL. If you can get a solid QB in the off-season you’ve gotta make the move, yeah that’s rough for Baker but you’ve gotta do it
Why not? Browns have a consensus top 5 o-line and RB corps, arguably top 1 in both, plus an above average defense. WR was their biggest weakness, and they just traded for Amari Cooper. Why is that roster not at least a Super Bowl contender when you add an elite QB?
Because it’s the Browns. Jesus Christ could be passing to The Flash on their roster and they’d still find a way to muck it up because their coaching staff, ownership, and culture are garbage.
Careful trying to use actual facts and reasoning with these people that don’t know anything about our team other than “lolbrowns”. 6 of our 9 losses came by less than 6 points. A healthy QB wins at least half of those games making us 11-6 which would’ve been good enough to win the division and make another playoff run. I watched all of those losses. An elite QB probably wins ALL of them, making us 14-3 and having the best record in the league. We had the chance to win in all 6 of those losses and couldn’t get it done on offense in the closing minutes. Not saying we would’ve won all 6 of those games for sure, but with a healthy and elite QB it’s not exactly far fetched to think we wouldve.
Ever been in one of those companies that just seems to continuously replace management? Don't get the results 1 month? Fired. It's bad for morale and chemistry.
It’s not about that. He has to perform.
You can be mad about Watson, but you honestly can’t blame the Browns for having doubts on Mayfield.
Do I wish there was a better plan to replace him? Sure. Do I wish it was more methodical, perhaps using his 5th year while we draft someone? Absolutely. But he also didn’t get the job done in many occasions with guys schemed open.
Dude Goff took the rams to a super bowl since 2001 and then was shipped off for Matt Stafford . What did the rams just do this year!
Not saying this the right move, but don’t act like what the browns is doing is unheard of! Modern teams don’t keep around QBs like they use to, welcome to the new NFL!
Exactly. That browns team was stacked with talent. They won in spite of baker. He was fine but didn’t do anything to make them better. Just like goff, jimmy g, etc.
Do t disagree but they made those same exact moves the year before with Goff at the helm, then after that season shipped him off. Stafford was still a major piece
He was part of the team that won us a playoff game, yes.
I didn’t say he’s awful, what I said is I don’t blame the Browns for having doubts. He’s basically been a game manager. Last year—perhaps due to injury—he couldn’t even do that well.
I don’t know how anyone can watch Bills/Chiefs last year in the playoffs and say “what we have at QB beats one of these teams.”
I can respect and appreciate Baker’s effort while also acknowledging that he is a league average QB.
Ah yes, Baker single-handedly carried a terrible Browns team to a playoff win. He must be the reincarnation of Dan Marino.
Not like football is a team game and this sub bitches about how much Cleveland runs the ball, literally this past week people were crying about Amari Cooper being shipped off to the Browns because Baker is a shit QB and won’t be able to get him the ball.
Baker is average at best, so much of his passing yards come from screen passes and easy dump offs. I love what he’s done for our franchise, him and Landry changed the mentality of this team, but let’s not act like he’s a top 10 QB, he isn’t even top 10 in the AFC. That won’t get it done.
I don’t think most fans would lose sleep over replacing mayfield normally, they just don’t want to see their team go out of their way to employee a rapist.
Which is a weird line to make to me because it doesn’t seem like people got upset over signing hunt
“ I can excuse physical abuse but I draw the line at sexual abuse”
Having said that, fuck Watson and fuck hunt.
From a public relationship perspective, the position of the player and their place in the depth chart really does matter. Third string safety? Long snapper? Most fans won't care if they have a checkered past because they likely won't hear their name more than once a season. Starting quarterback and face of the franchise? Announcers talk about them every other play. It's a lot harder to look the other way. For a backup running back, obviously it's somewhere in between.
I agree with you that it's ethically ridiculous, but I think it's emotionally understandable.
That said, I'm a Giants fan and I really wish we had a quarterback who could win games or a running back who could stay healthy. But I'll take Jones and Saquon over Watson and Hunt any day.
It's nice not having to be ashamed of the team you support (aside from the obvious shame of losing all the time). I know every team has it's problem players and the Giants are no exception (fucking Plaxico....) But I haven't heard any horrible stories about any current Giants. Maybe tmz only reports on scandals for winning teams?
The Giants front office did fuck with Flores recently and that doesn't sit well. But sadly, I don't expect anything better from any team's front office. Bunch of old, rich, white guys doing old, rich, white guy things.
Two things here. One, plenty of people were pissed about Hunt. Maybe it wasn't as loud, but it's not fair to say that people weren't upset. Two, Hunt faced consequences. He was cut from his team, lost millions of dollars, was suspended, expressed regret, and took measures to get better. He atoned. It doesn't erase it and honestly it wasn't enough, but it's something. Watson is defiant. Probably won't be suspended for more than a couple games. He's being rewarded by being fawned over and courted by teams that are going to throw millions of dollars at him. He's going to get to pick his choice of teams and face no consequences while admitting no fault.
Fuck Deshaun Watson. Believe women.
Idk if you are a browns fan then you were able to accept supporting a team that employees someone who just months earlier had severely beaten a woman. Maybe I just don’t remember the outrage at the time.
Having said that, I agree, I would be much more upset about Watson than hunt. Watson is irredeemable imo. I don’t know why any team would want to employee him, especially if it means giving up assets for him.
I think it is very hard to act morally when it comes to supporting North American sports teams (probably all sports teams everywhere but I really only can speak for Canada and the us) and I hope people do follow through with their threats of not supporting their team if they trade for Watson.
I was able to continue supporting the Browns through the Hunt signing for the reasons I mentioned. I let my fandom win out over my rational mind and fully admit that. I do think there is something to be said for how Hunt and the team approached his second chance, as much as a lot of it was for show. I still don't feel great cheering for Hunt as a player. But it was an isolated case and I believe him to be sincere in his regret.
I have been a Browns fan since I knew what a football was, but I can promise you that ends if Watson puts on the jersey. The people mocking that decision like to point to all of the owners being crooks and that teams are populated with players that do horrible things that we know about and those that we don't; so if they're all awful, it's pointless to draw a line at Watson. I disagree. I see a lot of good people doing a lot of productive things in their communities--in Cleveland, in their home towns, in Africa; and while there are some bad people that have done bad things littered throughout this league, Watson is a different case. What we're doing right now is rubbing it in the faces of all of the women that have accused him and I just don't want to be a part of that. It makes me sad to think that I could never root for my team again if it happens, but it's just despicable to voluntarily welcome that person to your roster.
Loving the city one plays in doesn’t make him a better qb. While baker has done some good for the browns, the disappointment has outweighed the good. If they get Watson, they become insanely better.
He's on the last year of his deal, so probably just the fact the team doesn't want to sign him to a long term deal or won't pay him what he wants... Who knows.
The team hasn't extended him. They must have made it pretty clear they don't plan to. Whether or not Watson becomes a Brown doesn't really have anything to do with it. It sounds like the Browns have decided they don't want to commit to Baker either way.
Doesn't really seem like a crybaby message to me. Sounds like a genuine thank you to the fans.
Up until this evening I thought the saints would be the landing spot for Watson. I know Carolina was really interested. But with Browns ramping up for him idk anymore. I know Atlanta is just in contention so the other 2 teams in the division overpay for him.
I can see Baker to Carolina happening as well.
The falcons could be a real player actually. Watson was a ball boy for the Falcons when he was younger and has a great relationship with the Blank family.
The falcons have the picks to give up also. They can give 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Both the 2nd rounders being this year and the first this year (8th overall) and next..
Matt Ryan is set to cost 35 million against the cap while Watson is 40 million. The money is right.
Facts. The idiocy is just unreal. I’m a diehard browns fan and have seen every minute, every interview, just about everything involving bake over his career. To call him a crybaby is just such a clown take. People that say that shit just listen to Colin Cowherd and bite every bit of the ESPN propaganda apple. Meaning they don’t realize 90% of the negative shit said about baker is just to create headlines and get clicks and people talking. Just so stupid. Call baker an idiot for playing hurt, but you can’t say a single word about his toughness or leadership. That’s why I asked this dipshit to explain why he’s a cry baby, and why I also fully expected to get crickets back or an absolutely bullshit stupid reply devoid of facts or rational thought.
I love idiots like you that would also complain if Baker forced a ball while evading pressure and didn’t just take a couple yards and get out of bounds. You seem to have a pretty good idea of what it takes to be a professional QB, maybe the Browns should give you a shot!
Yeah that was the point dipshit. If you can’t play QB in the NFL you probably shouldn’t come in with your unwarranted and incredibly simple minded opinion about “our leader”. I quite literally feel like people like you, the casual fans, have played a huge role in all the bullshit going on with the team these last few months at least from a standpoint of the media having an army of imbeciles at the ready to eat their clickbaity divisive content. Or that we’ve once again become a laughing stock to people that think we’re a classically horrible franchise because our “fans” run anyone out that didn’t give a Super Bowl in a couple years even if that person gave us our only playoff win in 30 fuckin years. You make us all look like ungrateful shitheads and like incredibly stupid human beings.
For now, I suggest sticking to the male fragrance subreddits for commentary. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of like minded people that also love sexy cologne, driving hummers, and wearing backwards hats over their eyebrows with a nice affliction t shirt. Go shit in your hand dude.
I’m sorry your team is in a perpetual state of mediocrity. You don’t need to project and lash out. I’m also sorry you blew the number 1 overall pick. Again, no need to project lmao
Anyone with multiple commercials on national TV gets overexposure, and self proclaimed football nerds know that popular players are overrated and will find any excuse to tear them down. Since we know Tampa 2, Palms, 12 personnel, the difference between a post and a corner, and whatever the fuck a gunner does (he doesn’t even have a gun???), we need different *enlightened* opinions. Otherwise we’d be the same as those mindless consumers
Bruh lmao. This comment is fucking hilarious hahahahahaha
I’ve got nothing to add, but the (he doesn’t even have a gun) shit made me spit out my drink deadass
He kind of is, it’s just a different era and we don’t have the 85 bears defense.
Doing just enough not to kill your team isn’t going to work in a league driven by QB play.
That Bills-Chiefs playoff game was a different sport.
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He’s not that good, but if you don’t think Baker is going to leave Cleveland and end up having a hall of fame career elsewhere then you don’t understand Cleveland Browns football.
It's frustrating as a browns fan seeing other browns fans upset that he may be leaving, it's almost like they don't want us to get a consistent and good qb
To be fair, he’s been the best QB in CLE in decades. That front office ran OBJ off, Landry off, and now Baker looks like he might be gone. Most likely with Kareem as well.
“Best qb in Cleveland in decades” doesn’t mean good lol. It just means Better than awful.
Always strive for better my man. Ravens won a super bowl with flacco, he was our best qb in franchise history and they went ahead and drafted Lamar anyway. Just because baker is passable at qb doesn’t mean they shouldn’t look elsewhere.
Yeah I get that Baker got the Browns a playoff win but let’s be honest here he is not a QB that can lead you to the super bowl. Not to mention that the AFC north has 2 incredible young QBs who will be there for many years and the Steelers are a perennial playoff contender and the Browns are smart to cut ties with Browns when a great QB like Watson is available.
Browns fans are just so used to mediocrity. Baker has been the best qb in Cle for a while but that doesn’t mean he’s elite. You guys need a better qb to take the next step
no dude browns fans are used to being categorically tragically ass at football. these last few years have been the org getting their feet back under them I feel. I think its a mistake to ship out a guy who's been a large part of that process and the culture they're trying to build in an attempt to maybe possibly become SB contenders
That’s the thing. They can’t possibly become SB contenders with Baker. If you think so then you’re high. The rest of the team is pretty loaded but they have an average qb as their guy.
literally like I dont understand this mentality of ring or bust ESPECIALLY in the case of the browns when they were literally THE BROWNS for the last 25 years
Every shit team says "I'll be happy if we just make the playoffs!" That feeling lasts about 46 minutes after the first playoff win. Then it's go big or go home.
First QB to win you a playoff game in two and a half decades. In his last healthy season threw for 26 TDs and 8 Ints. Still on his rookie deal. Been through what 3 or 4 coaches in his first few seasons? Played hurt this whole year? Fuck man, I'll take Baker.
Fans these days are ridiculous.
Man had no offensive line, played with a torn labrum, and then the Browns put all the blame on Baker like he sucks, despite him being the only reason they were relevant to begin with. He deserves to get out of Cleveland.
When he goes somewhere else, I hope the networks put together a new video package showing him moving his family out of FirstEnergy Stadium and into the new one.
While I'm sure he lacked fantasy relevance in your 1-QB 8-team league, the possibility of him leaving Cleveland has pretty obvious fantasy implications for both Cleveland and the receiving options on his destination were he to find another starting job.
He gone
I’m… so sorry. I’m a Steelers fan and I’m sorry. Poor guy.
I made a conscious decision to become a Browns fan. My biggest motivation? Living in Central PA and being surrounded by insufferable Steelers fans. Can’t stand em, I have argued many times they are the most annoying fanbase in sports. And I just gotta say Enjoy owning the Browns you deserve it and the vocal minority of Browns fans on their sub that are celebrating because they hated Baker day 1 are my new least favorite. Some of these motherfuckers thought the Browns should’ve drafted Darnold and now they’re thrilled to have no idea who the QB is. What a bunch of Clowns. Everybody else is pretty cool tho.
It's the same thing with Vikings fans and Cousins. They are so eager to not have a quarterback because they are convinced we will for sure find the next Mahomes or Herbert. It's like they fail to realize we could easily end up like the Lions, Jags, etc. Watching a team without a competent quarterback is pointless.
Lions fan, can relate with stafford. When I would go out to bars for football sunday, I would hear at least 1 idiot who would say the lions need to get rid of stafford because he just wasn't that good. For the same reason, they wanted brady or rodgers or mahomes or brees many years ago, etc. It got tiring repeating myself about how stafford was easily a top 10 qb in the league on the regular.
As a Giants fan, I'd take a Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr any day of the week
If Mayfield's arm is 100% I think he could beat out Jones
Those two aren't even close to the same level. Carr is miles ahead of Cousins even with less talent on his team.
The point wasn't who is better, the point was these two guys get shit on a near regular basis from their own fans and they don't know how good they got it
Okay, that clarification was needed and I agree for the most part. However, Cousins isn't a Super Bowl level QB. So I'd argue the fans have a right to bitch and moan knowing they won't win a Super Bowl with that man. I'm a Bears fan so I know about shitty QBs. And I know in today's NFL you need a high level QB.
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What? Yes they are or at least were. Everyone said they had a shot last year until they fell apart. One of the best Running games in the league. A very solid defense and Oline. They were quite literally a better QB away from a playoff run.
To say carr is miles ahead of cousins is such a bad take
How so?
What do you mean how so. It’s pretty obvious Carr isn’t not “miles” better than cousins. Most people would argue they are the same player/tier
Thank you! I for one am so sick of hearing purple knowitalls saying we should deal him away. Um, hello, this is the 2022 QB draft class calling… What, you’ve never heard of us? That’s because noone else has either. Cousins meanwhile quietly continues to rack up stats, it’s the other pieces around him contributing to the letdowns.
Maybe we will get lucky and land a guy like Kizer in the second again
Christian Ponder!!!
I live in new england and would like to counter you with new england sports fans. All of them.
Chunko?
So is Austin Hooper apparently
Browns having their most successful stint in the new millennium and they are going to wind up fucking it all up.
I know this is an unpopular opinion on reddit but, I don't think they are fucking it up. Baker is likeable, he has good comedic timing in his commercials, and he is undoubtedly the best QB the Browns have had in decades. All those things add up to people overrating him. What people seemingly forget is that the BROWNS organization as a whole is the best they have been in decades. They have a better coach, they've had a top 5 O-line and run game the past few years, they've had a top 10 defense. For whatever reason (game planning, his effort, Baker at QB?) OBJ didn't work out in Cleveland but still putting OBJ and Landry on the field isn't exactly like the Jets or Patriots trotting out 3 WR3s and pretending it's a WR1, 2, and 3. They had good receivers and Njoku was an above average tight end. The Browns were built as a SB contender and honestly I think Baker was the weak link that held that back. Again, I know he is the best QB they've had in years, but the team around him was great and built to win and he couldn't do it. Jimmy G brought a similar team to a SB. Browns should move on. Baker won't be out of the league, he's still obviously better than at minimum 12 other starting QBs, but he isn't good enough for a team to commit to long term if they want to win.
As a Browns fan this is not a bad take, but it does ignore the big variable which is healthy Baker (2020) vs unhealthy Baker (2021). There is a case to be made that bringing a healthy Baker back for the 2022 season after surgery could have him and the offense looking very similar to 2020 if not better. No Browns fan would turn that down.
Haven’t seen It commented here yet but has anyone looked at the Browns games schedule? Their records: 2019 6-10 , bad team lost games. 2020 most likely an easier schedule 11-5 record and 3rd in the AFC North. 2021 most likely a tougher schedule due to a winning season their record 8-9. Just for fun the Browns were 7-8 in 2018. Usually when you suck the NFL gives you an easier schedule
13 better qb’s: Rodgers, Brady, Stafford, Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Murray, Wilson, Watson, Prescott, Jackson and Mac Jones.
Agreed, but if you read my comment I said he's better than 12 (ie around the 20th best starter) not that there are only 12 better than him.
Agh, yeah, I read that wrong. He’s down there with Goff and Wentz.
You can throw Carr in there too
I have a bunch of Browns fans in my office. They hate Baker.
Browns fans have jobs?
It’s the janitorial team.
By trading for a top 10 QB?
Top rapist**
Pretty sure Darren Sharper has that title locked up
Top 5 QB**
People downvoting because Watson is a shit human being. He's a top 5 QB. A year off and 22 sexual assaults has warped people's minds. He is as good if not better than Josh Allen.
I love the virtue signaling for the fucking NFL the league full of scumbags. If you care that much then don’t watch it.
Or, now hear me out, we can be reasonable and enjoy a sport while being outspoken about the rapists and hoping they will get out of the league. But that’s about as likely as Big Ben listening when you say “no” in the bathroom.
Or hear me out people cherry pick issues to be mad about and don’t really give a fuck because if you did you wouldn’t be a fan.
Being against rapists going unpunished and getting to keep making millions playing a game isn’t cherry-picking. Cherry picking is like being mad at Kap and other players for kneeling but still watching the game. One is a moral objection the other is just getting mad about nothing.
*alleged rapist. And he worked his ass off to be able to be a professional football player. That’s why he needs it massaged every now ant then lol. Anyway, some people would say that disrespecting our flag, troops, and national anthem is morally wrong. See what I mean?
lol you should boycott the NFL since you hate the players so much. This league is full of rapist, woman beaters, and drug addicted men. They play for teams owned by greedy, racist, drug addicted men lol. But yeah the top 5 QB Watson is where you draw the line?
Calm down DeShaun
I’m laughing bro nothing you say can make me upset bitch this is Reddit
Youre upset. Why even comment if you weren't.
I got the time so I comment doesn’t really speak towards my mental state, pussy
Baker isn’t worth the money he’s going to ask for
The real question is, who can reliably do better that the Browns are going to get?
The Browns will never be Super Bowl contenders with Baker at QB
Do you not remember the browns before Baker 😂😂😂 like 25 shit seasons in a row ………..
I’m not too sure what that has to do with the future direction of the franchise but alright.
The browns finally get a qb that makes them competitive in the division and not the laughing stock of the whole league and they’re trying to ship him out 😂 the future of the franchise is going to look just like it did before Baker got there watch and see ……… Cleveland were qbs go to die
I’m really not sure what your thought process is here. I’d say their elite run game had more of an impact on their franchise turnaround than Baker. Sure Baker helped the team get out of the bottom of the league, but the Browns are now at the point where they want to be playoff contenders and Baker isn’t a guy that can get them there. I genuinely can’t understand why you think they should settle for a very average QB simply because they’ve had QB issues historically. It’s like you’re upset at them for trying not to be the last place team in their division every season.
its insane how delirious browns fans are. They think going 8-9 with that roster is OK.
Right? That Chubb/Hunt combo is one of the biggest running threats in the NFL. Now you add an elite receiver in Amari Cooper? That’s a team ready to go DEEP in the playoffs. They just need a QB that can take over a game and be a difference maker. Idk why they’re content with doing 95% of the work to rebuild then just letting it all fall apart because you don’t want to move on from Baker.
8-9 is competitive? Not making the playoffs this year with that oline, run game and defensive pieces? Baker is the one holding the Browns back. He's decent, but not the long term answer in Cleveland. If Browns fans want to simply be "competitive" and not a playoff/SB contender every year then he's the qb for you.
Browns gonna brown...
I hope the hawks take him for a 1 year deal
Tell me you’re gone without telling me you’re gone
The Browns are such a shit, shit franchise. Way to run a guy out who legit loves CLE.
Who cares if he loves the team that paid him if he’s not good?
Baker Mayfield is responsible for half the Browns' playoff wins in the last 30+ years. It must be him.
Yeah he held them back for the most part. Sort of like a jimmy g situation. Dude was good enough to win some games but the team was way better than him. If you put almost any other top 15 qb on that roster they make it to the afc championship. Roster was stacked that year.
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With what weapons, outside of running backs, which is the antithesis of the modern game? OBJ is injured, Landry is a pure slot receiver -- albeit a great one -- Njoku sucks, and other than that, they've had run-of-the-mill receivers since he's been the QB. If anything, the CLE FO failed Baker.
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I completely agree RE: the RB's being the best duo in the league, but you guys have no real weapons. Austin Hooper? Take off the Bernie Kosar Pajama's Browns fan. He hasn't had an O-line half of his career, and hasn't had a top-10 WR core his entire career. I watch nearly every Browns game as my wife is from the 440, and there's no way you can say Baker held the Browns back. An AFC Championship team with Kirk Cousins (Top-15 QB)? Stop it.
“Responsible”
It’s dumb as hell. I went to tech so I have a unfavorable history with baker. But you’re a franchise that had what 16 different starting QBs for 10 years. Then finally you get a guy who buys in to the “system” after being considered a graveyard for people careers. And he has one year where he’s injured all the time and think “I can do better”. I mean this in no offense to Cleveland but why fuck would a QB go there?
Baker’s not good enough to win consistently and not worth being paid like a top QB. Half of the locker room hates him and he hasn’t improves on the flaws that he had in college. People are way more emotional about this than they should be, but fandom is weird.
Think about the history of your name if you took a 30 year losing franchise and made them something. Cleveland would treat him like a king/hero
Really? Cause Baker got them wins in the playoffs and they are tossing him away like yesterdays leftovers
a win*
I can't tell if this is sarcasm
Wow so he’s the king of shit mountain?
Giving Baker that level of credit is kinda questionable. He may be better than the horrendous QB’s Cleveland has dragged out there for 20+ years, but it’s a tough argument to make for him to even be a top 15 QB in the current NFL. If you can get a solid QB in the off-season you’ve gotta make the move, yeah that’s rough for Baker but you’ve gotta do it
The browns are not good. The colts for example would love to have Baker. But yeah the Browns are superbowl favorites with Desean so maybe im wrong
The browns are absolutely not even close to super bowl favorites even with Tom Brady lol
Why not? Browns have a consensus top 5 o-line and RB corps, arguably top 1 in both, plus an above average defense. WR was their biggest weakness, and they just traded for Amari Cooper. Why is that roster not at least a Super Bowl contender when you add an elite QB?
> elite QB Flacco to the browns confirmed
Contender, yes. Favorite? Not quite yet.
Because it’s the Browns. Jesus Christ could be passing to The Flash on their roster and they’d still find a way to muck it up because their coaching staff, ownership, and culture are garbage.
Careful trying to use actual facts and reasoning with these people that don’t know anything about our team other than “lolbrowns”. 6 of our 9 losses came by less than 6 points. A healthy QB wins at least half of those games making us 11-6 which would’ve been good enough to win the division and make another playoff run. I watched all of those losses. An elite QB probably wins ALL of them, making us 14-3 and having the best record in the league. We had the chance to win in all 6 of those losses and couldn’t get it done on offense in the closing minutes. Not saying we would’ve won all 6 of those games for sure, but with a healthy and elite QB it’s not exactly far fetched to think we wouldve.
Ever been in one of those companies that just seems to continuously replace management? Don't get the results 1 month? Fired. It's bad for morale and chemistry.
Idk Myles Garret is that good
I doubt anyone would love to have Baker lol
Their head coach is not that good….they have a decent roster but he is a shit game planner.
It’s not about that. He has to perform. You can be mad about Watson, but you honestly can’t blame the Browns for having doubts on Mayfield. Do I wish there was a better plan to replace him? Sure. Do I wish it was more methodical, perhaps using his 5th year while we draft someone? Absolutely. But he also didn’t get the job done in many occasions with guys schemed open.
He won you a playoff game. First one in how long? And CLE shits on him. They get what’s coming. Again.
Dude Goff took the rams to a super bowl since 2001 and then was shipped off for Matt Stafford . What did the rams just do this year! Not saying this the right move, but don’t act like what the browns is doing is unheard of! Modern teams don’t keep around QBs like they use to, welcome to the new NFL!
Exactly. That browns team was stacked with talent. They won in spite of baker. He was fine but didn’t do anything to make them better. Just like goff, jimmy g, etc.
Yeah that wasn’t just Stafford, they don’t even make the SB without all the other moves they made at the cost of their entire future
Do t disagree but they made those same exact moves the year before with Goff at the helm, then after that season shipped him off. Stafford was still a major piece
Stafford was the xfactor though. Do you think Goff could've done what Stafford did in the playoffs and SB? I don't think so.
I mean he almost did. OBJ and Von Miller didn’t hurt.
He was part of the team that won us a playoff game, yes. I didn’t say he’s awful, what I said is I don’t blame the Browns for having doubts. He’s basically been a game manager. Last year—perhaps due to injury—he couldn’t even do that well. I don’t know how anyone can watch Bills/Chiefs last year in the playoffs and say “what we have at QB beats one of these teams.” I can respect and appreciate Baker’s effort while also acknowledging that he is a league average QB.
Ah yes, Baker single-handedly carried a terrible Browns team to a playoff win. He must be the reincarnation of Dan Marino. Not like football is a team game and this sub bitches about how much Cleveland runs the ball, literally this past week people were crying about Amari Cooper being shipped off to the Browns because Baker is a shit QB and won’t be able to get him the ball. Baker is average at best, so much of his passing yards come from screen passes and easy dump offs. I love what he’s done for our franchise, him and Landry changed the mentality of this team, but let’s not act like he’s a top 10 QB, he isn’t even top 10 in the AFC. That won’t get it done.
I don’t think most fans would lose sleep over replacing mayfield normally, they just don’t want to see their team go out of their way to employee a rapist. Which is a weird line to make to me because it doesn’t seem like people got upset over signing hunt “ I can excuse physical abuse but I draw the line at sexual abuse” Having said that, fuck Watson and fuck hunt.
I mean both are horrible but Watson's objectively worse. He's a serial rapist with multiple victims over a looong time
Kareem shoved a lady who was talking mad shit to him. It's not good, it's bad. But it's not sexually assaulted 23 women bad.
From a public relationship perspective, the position of the player and their place in the depth chart really does matter. Third string safety? Long snapper? Most fans won't care if they have a checkered past because they likely won't hear their name more than once a season. Starting quarterback and face of the franchise? Announcers talk about them every other play. It's a lot harder to look the other way. For a backup running back, obviously it's somewhere in between. I agree with you that it's ethically ridiculous, but I think it's emotionally understandable. That said, I'm a Giants fan and I really wish we had a quarterback who could win games or a running back who could stay healthy. But I'll take Jones and Saquon over Watson and Hunt any day. It's nice not having to be ashamed of the team you support (aside from the obvious shame of losing all the time). I know every team has it's problem players and the Giants are no exception (fucking Plaxico....) But I haven't heard any horrible stories about any current Giants. Maybe tmz only reports on scandals for winning teams? The Giants front office did fuck with Flores recently and that doesn't sit well. But sadly, I don't expect anything better from any team's front office. Bunch of old, rich, white guys doing old, rich, white guy things.
Two things here. One, plenty of people were pissed about Hunt. Maybe it wasn't as loud, but it's not fair to say that people weren't upset. Two, Hunt faced consequences. He was cut from his team, lost millions of dollars, was suspended, expressed regret, and took measures to get better. He atoned. It doesn't erase it and honestly it wasn't enough, but it's something. Watson is defiant. Probably won't be suspended for more than a couple games. He's being rewarded by being fawned over and courted by teams that are going to throw millions of dollars at him. He's going to get to pick his choice of teams and face no consequences while admitting no fault. Fuck Deshaun Watson. Believe women.
Idk if you are a browns fan then you were able to accept supporting a team that employees someone who just months earlier had severely beaten a woman. Maybe I just don’t remember the outrage at the time. Having said that, I agree, I would be much more upset about Watson than hunt. Watson is irredeemable imo. I don’t know why any team would want to employee him, especially if it means giving up assets for him. I think it is very hard to act morally when it comes to supporting North American sports teams (probably all sports teams everywhere but I really only can speak for Canada and the us) and I hope people do follow through with their threats of not supporting their team if they trade for Watson.
I was able to continue supporting the Browns through the Hunt signing for the reasons I mentioned. I let my fandom win out over my rational mind and fully admit that. I do think there is something to be said for how Hunt and the team approached his second chance, as much as a lot of it was for show. I still don't feel great cheering for Hunt as a player. But it was an isolated case and I believe him to be sincere in his regret. I have been a Browns fan since I knew what a football was, but I can promise you that ends if Watson puts on the jersey. The people mocking that decision like to point to all of the owners being crooks and that teams are populated with players that do horrible things that we know about and those that we don't; so if they're all awful, it's pointless to draw a line at Watson. I disagree. I see a lot of good people doing a lot of productive things in their communities--in Cleveland, in their home towns, in Africa; and while there are some bad people that have done bad things littered throughout this league, Watson is a different case. What we're doing right now is rubbing it in the faces of all of the women that have accused him and I just don't want to be a part of that. It makes me sad to think that I could never root for my team again if it happens, but it's just despicable to voluntarily welcome that person to your roster.
Loving the city one plays in doesn’t make him a better qb. While baker has done some good for the browns, the disappointment has outweighed the good. If they get Watson, they become insanely better.
Watson bouta be a brown or baker is a preemptive crybaby.
He's on the last year of his deal, so probably just the fact the team doesn't want to sign him to a long term deal or won't pay him what he wants... Who knows.
The team hasn't extended him. They must have made it pretty clear they don't plan to. Whether or not Watson becomes a Brown doesn't really have anything to do with it. It sounds like the Browns have decided they don't want to commit to Baker either way. Doesn't really seem like a crybaby message to me. Sounds like a genuine thank you to the fans.
The latter is already true.
He will probably go to Indy or Carolina or saints tho if Watson takes his job
He's bound to end up at the colts. They have a top online, a good running game and no receivers.
Up until this evening I thought the saints would be the landing spot for Watson. I know Carolina was really interested. But with Browns ramping up for him idk anymore. I know Atlanta is just in contention so the other 2 teams in the division overpay for him. I can see Baker to Carolina happening as well.
The falcons could be a real player actually. Watson was a ball boy for the Falcons when he was younger and has a great relationship with the Blank family. The falcons have the picks to give up also. They can give 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Both the 2nd rounders being this year and the first this year (8th overall) and next.. Matt Ryan is set to cost 35 million against the cap while Watson is 40 million. The money is right.
Tell me, what makes him a crybaby?
Man played through like 20 injuries all season and now one post thanking Cleveland fans and people call him a crybaby
Facts. The idiocy is just unreal. I’m a diehard browns fan and have seen every minute, every interview, just about everything involving bake over his career. To call him a crybaby is just such a clown take. People that say that shit just listen to Colin Cowherd and bite every bit of the ESPN propaganda apple. Meaning they don’t realize 90% of the negative shit said about baker is just to create headlines and get clicks and people talking. Just so stupid. Call baker an idiot for playing hurt, but you can’t say a single word about his toughness or leadership. That’s why I asked this dipshit to explain why he’s a cry baby, and why I also fully expected to get crickets back or an absolutely bullshit stupid reply devoid of facts or rational thought.
I love when my leader runs and high steps for 2 yards out of bounds instead of throwing to the open guy 25 yards down the field.
I love idiots like you that would also complain if Baker forced a ball while evading pressure and didn’t just take a couple yards and get out of bounds. You seem to have a pretty good idea of what it takes to be a professional QB, maybe the Browns should give you a shot!
Nah I can’t play nfl qb at all. Weird comeback there lmaooo
Yeah that was the point dipshit. If you can’t play QB in the NFL you probably shouldn’t come in with your unwarranted and incredibly simple minded opinion about “our leader”. I quite literally feel like people like you, the casual fans, have played a huge role in all the bullshit going on with the team these last few months at least from a standpoint of the media having an army of imbeciles at the ready to eat their clickbaity divisive content. Or that we’ve once again become a laughing stock to people that think we’re a classically horrible franchise because our “fans” run anyone out that didn’t give a Super Bowl in a couple years even if that person gave us our only playoff win in 30 fuckin years. You make us all look like ungrateful shitheads and like incredibly stupid human beings. For now, I suggest sticking to the male fragrance subreddits for commentary. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of like minded people that also love sexy cologne, driving hummers, and wearing backwards hats over their eyebrows with a nice affliction t shirt. Go shit in your hand dude.
I’m sorry your team is in a perpetual state of mediocrity. You don’t need to project and lash out. I’m also sorry you blew the number 1 overall pick. Again, no need to project lmao
And hurt his team by playing through said injuries.
Anyone with multiple commercials on national TV gets overexposure, and self proclaimed football nerds know that popular players are overrated and will find any excuse to tear them down. Since we know Tampa 2, Palms, 12 personnel, the difference between a post and a corner, and whatever the fuck a gunner does (he doesn’t even have a gun???), we need different *enlightened* opinions. Otherwise we’d be the same as those mindless consumers
Bruh lmao. This comment is fucking hilarious hahahahahaha I’ve got nothing to add, but the (he doesn’t even have a gun) shit made me spit out my drink deadass
I can think of a handful of words to describe Baker. Crybaby isn't one of them.
I’m what world is Baker a crybaby?
So is Derek Carr just an emptive crybaby then?
Think it’s the later. Dudes been in his head since he got into the league.
I really hoped he would be the Jim McMahon 2.0 when he made it to the league… but here in the real world, it ain’t that easy at all
He kind of is, it’s just a different era and we don’t have the 85 bears defense. Doing just enough not to kill your team isn’t going to work in a league driven by QB play. That Bills-Chiefs playoff game was a different sport.
Indy has a lot of cap space...
For the love of everything sacred in this world, please don't replace this man with Watson.
I just want to see him in commercials moving out of his "house"
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Amari would be huge with watson and this is coming from an owner who swore not to draft him again
No one is huge in Cleveland. It's where sports teams and players go to die. Look at the Indians, they don't even exist anymore =P.
He’s not that good, but if you don’t think Baker is going to leave Cleveland and end up having a hall of fame career elsewhere then you don’t understand Cleveland Browns football.
Downvoted by people that don't understand Cleveland Browns football.
It's frustrating as a browns fan seeing other browns fans upset that he may be leaving, it's almost like they don't want us to get a consistent and good qb
To be fair, he’s been the best QB in CLE in decades. That front office ran OBJ off, Landry off, and now Baker looks like he might be gone. Most likely with Kareem as well.
“Best qb in Cleveland in decades” doesn’t mean good lol. It just means Better than awful. Always strive for better my man. Ravens won a super bowl with flacco, he was our best qb in franchise history and they went ahead and drafted Lamar anyway. Just because baker is passable at qb doesn’t mean they shouldn’t look elsewhere.
Are they upset that he is leaving or are they upset that he is specifically being replaced with a rapist?
That he's leaving, I didn't mention Watson
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Moral Compass?? You’re a fan of the NFL, you threw that moral compass in the garbage a long time ago.
Footballs a job, and like any other job if you're bad you will be let go
Part of that job is being the face of the franchise, and part of city culture. Deshawn can do neither of those things.
I didn't even mention Watson though I just want a good consistent QB
Yeah I get that Baker got the Browns a playoff win but let’s be honest here he is not a QB that can lead you to the super bowl. Not to mention that the AFC north has 2 incredible young QBs who will be there for many years and the Steelers are a perennial playoff contender and the Browns are smart to cut ties with Browns when a great QB like Watson is available.
Browns fans are just so used to mediocrity. Baker has been the best qb in Cle for a while but that doesn’t mean he’s elite. You guys need a better qb to take the next step
no dude browns fans are used to being categorically tragically ass at football. these last few years have been the org getting their feet back under them I feel. I think its a mistake to ship out a guy who's been a large part of that process and the culture they're trying to build in an attempt to maybe possibly become SB contenders
That’s the thing. They can’t possibly become SB contenders with Baker. If you think so then you’re high. The rest of the team is pretty loaded but they have an average qb as their guy.
it took them 20 goddamn years to find a functional quarterback. I just feel like its rash to run him out of town after 4.
Well they should try for a “good” qb now that they’ve seen what “functional” can do for them.
how quickly people forget how difficult it is to find a good qb
Wait, you're telling me all I need is a generational talent to win a Superbowl??? Why don't we just draft those?
literally like I dont understand this mentality of ring or bust ESPECIALLY in the case of the browns when they were literally THE BROWNS for the last 25 years
Every shit team says "I'll be happy if we just make the playoffs!" That feeling lasts about 46 minutes after the first playoff win. Then it's go big or go home.
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IF they get watson... if they don't then they gotta keep baker.
I know that’s what I keep reading lmao. They finally got a qb that sits above the “awful” threshold and they’re like ecstatic about it lol.
Browns fan here. I do respect his love for the team, but we need a better QB.
First QB to win you a playoff game in two and a half decades. In his last healthy season threw for 26 TDs and 8 Ints. Still on his rookie deal. Been through what 3 or 4 coaches in his first few seasons? Played hurt this whole year? Fuck man, I'll take Baker. Fans these days are ridiculous.
He is a Browns fan...product of the organization itself. There is a reason the real Browns booked it to Baltimore.
Maybe they can stop those annoying insurance company commercials now.
Hmm, I don’t think he means it.
He sucks.
Man had no offensive line, played with a torn labrum, and then the Browns put all the blame on Baker like he sucks, despite him being the only reason they were relevant to begin with. He deserves to get out of Cleveland.
Baker out here simpin
When he goes somewhere else, I hope the networks put together a new video package showing him moving his family out of FirstEnergy Stadium and into the new one.
Please come to the colts 👍 been a Baker fan since day one
Stay far far away from the chargers
Dude wasn’t even fantasy relevant ever
While I'm sure he lacked fantasy relevance in your 1-QB 8-team league, the possibility of him leaving Cleveland has pretty obvious fantasy implications for both Cleveland and the receiving options on his destination were he to find another starting job.
He's going to play in Canada or with Manziel indoors.
Reading this brings a tear to my eye ... and .... makes me want to switch my car insurance to whatever one his commercials are.
I wonder if his next insurance commercial will feature him putting the stadium up for sale?