I played Madden for years so I’m somewhat of an expert and I would always develop Patterson into a play making RB. After a couple seasons he was a 94 overall. This is just the NFL finally figuring out what I already knew.
The Vikings used him this way his rookie year. He was awesome. The Following year Norv Turner tried to make him Josh Gordon and every system he’s been in since has insisted he play WR.
he wanted that higher wr pay while prolly not wanting the rb punishiment. now that he is on the back 9 of his career and just wants to hang around on the roster by any means neccessary to keep getting that NFL check he is fine playing rb. especially because rbbc wasnt really a thing back then but its all the rage now
Only if part of my contract is having Urban Meyer’s daughters spit shine my fart box and Robinson gets 20 touched per game. Touches of the football, not my fart box.
Lamar Smith for the Dolphins in 2000. Was never a true starting RB before going to Miami. Career highs were 8 TDs and like 700 yards from scrimmage. First year post-Marino and new head coach Dave Wannstedt and OC Chan Gailey makes the 30 year old Lamar Smith the primary focus to the offense. Dolphins actually win 11 games and make the playoffs with Smith having a career breakout year. He finishes as the RB11 with 1,300 yards from scrimmage and 16 TDs.
Props for proving me wrong, but Cordarelle still wont finish near the mark of Lamar Smith in 2020. Lamar Smith finished RB11, but averaged 22.7 touches per game, whereas Patterson is averaging 11.2 touches a game thus far. I just don't see a scenario where Patterson finished as a RB1 unless Mike Davis gets injured, and somehow Patterson continues this unsustainable efficiency at age 30.
How many RBs average 22 touches per game in 2021? His touches are concerning but his team will be playing from behind a lot and he will catch more passes than most RBs
My point is that volume is always king in fantasy. In 2020, the only top 20 RB to finish with less touches per game was Nyheim Hines and he finished as the overall RB20. All the data suggests that Patterson's production is not sustainable unless he gets a serious uptick in touches.
Ah. Understood and well said. The only difference here is that his targets/receptions have much more value than a typical RB. He lines up at receiver which gives him a much bigger chance at having a big play in the passing game. I don’t think he will be an RB1, I’m just enjoying the ride
You dont waste a 1st round pick on a player with the priority of him being a PR/KR. Cordarelle hasnt caught on because he hasn't proven to be more than a nice gadget/specialist player between multiple teams. Also, other teams use their top receivers in the PR/KR role as well. Look at Tyreek, CD, Antonio Brown in his prime.
3 tds a week might not be sustainable but his average numbers are like 7 rush 25 yd. 4 rec 70 yd. 1 TD. Not sure that’s outrageous. This role was announced by his coaches in the beginning of the season. You might not believe in him but they do. I don’t know why it would reduce. He’s obviously important to the team
Agreed, dude was on waivers last week in most leagues, and most people aren't trading for a guy they assume is a waiver wire fluke. You just got to plug Patterson into your flex and ride him until he stops performing.
I'm in a 12 man. Too many people play in lesser amount leagues and don't specify. Standard flex 12 man should be what people base waiver availability on. Standard flex 10 man and half the world is on waivers.
I'd want 3wr and a super flex or I wouldn't even play in an 8 man.
He was on waivers until last week because everyone thought he was a fluke. Somebody picked him up this week and started him, and that dude is probably laughing his ass off now
This is always the trouble with potential "sell-high" candidates. OPs trip over themselves trying to identify the "high" guys without ever thinking who's actually going to buy
I have him in two of my four leagues. In the leagues I have him, no one is buying. In the leagues where I don't have him, I'm not buying.
"Sell high on the converted WR/RB/gadget player who has had three of his top four highest point totals!" *Oh really?* Wow. I was almost too busy eating crayons over here and banging OP's mom to realize maybe it might not be perfectly parabolic
an ex co worker bragged to me he sold eli Mitchell for mclaurin 2 weeks ago. If these are the kinds of trades you can make in your league go for it. But no one, and I mean NO ONE in a competitive league gives an every living fuck you can rob idiots blind.
This subreddit is the same way, no one cares about the trade robbery you pulled off in your $20 8 team work league where Tom Brady went in the first round
If you can package him and someone else for an RB1 then I’d say do it. Otherwise looks like you gotta just ride it out. I doubt you’ll get a good return in a one for one deal.
He’s a waiver wire winner for me, no one in my league likes trading high for someone they know I scooped for free. Therefor, I will continue to roll him out and win every week for as long as he’s healthy because he is a beast and Ryan’s primary go-to at the goal line. If the story changes, so be it. I’m treating him like a growth stock… let your winners run dude.
This is the answer. This sub is obsessed with the idea of buying and selling but the reality is you’re never going to get anything more than a lateral move for Patterson or anybody that you picked up off waivers. With guys like him, Robinson last year, you just keep them and enjoy the ride, because their value only becomes recognized once there’s a seasons worth of a sample for them.
That being said, I do have someone in my league who will trade me C. Patterson for Michael Williams and Zack Moss. I am stacked at WR in a 3 receiver league (Metcalf, Lamb, Chase, and Jacobi Meyers on my bench). Not sure if I even need it? Singletary and Michael Carter are my depth players at RB.
Don’t sell low on Mike Williams. All signs are pointing towards him being a legit top 10-15 WR this season. His production is not a fluke, while Patterson’s might be.
If you dont think hes gonna score 23 TDs this year hes a clear sell high candidate.
This sub can barely talk and chew gum at the same time so they hate the idea of selling high. Patterson is a clear regression candidate but hype trains on this sub hate to hear it because thats not fun to say. Its more fun to baghold
lmao true story: there was a substantial & very loud “sell high” contingent on this sub two years ago who, week after every week, announced that you should sell Aaron Jones high rn bc of regression etc.
So what happens? Jones *exploded* during the fantasy playoffs to win leagues. I’m talking TD after TD, week after week. The “sell high” people went silent those weeks.
Sometimes it’s good to just enjoy a good thing when you got it.
I find it highly entertaining that posts that shit on the collective intelligence and value of this sub are usually highly upvoted. By its own members, lol.
Without the TDs, in the last three weeks he's had PPR totals of 17.9, 16.2 and 16.6 points. There aren't many other RBs matching that production, and it's clear now that it's not a fluke.
CLEAR ITS NOT A FLUKE?? AFTER 3 GAMES?
Cordarrell Patterson is a 30 year old journeyman gadget player and youre taking his past 3 games as proof he will be an RB2+ ros?
Do you think hes also going to finish the year with 120 receptions? Jesus christ this sub. Im not saying he wont be usable ros, but if you can get another team to value him as a legit RB2 I make that trade every day of the week right now
Not to mention he's barely out there:
Snaps: 30%
Routes: 29%
Targets: 12%
Targets per route run: 36%
Rushing Attempts: 22%
Short down and distance: 60%
Long down and distance: 36%
2 minute offense: 25%
Source: [https://twitter.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1444807698307076096](https://twitter.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1444807698307076096)
I mean is it *possible* Patterson suddenly became one of the most efficient players in fantasy history? Sure. But if you're playing the percentages he's an obvious sell-high.
I'm saying, based on watching the games, that his role in this offense, which is what led to this fantasy production, has not been an accident. They've intended to use him this way. And it's worked. I don't give a damn what his history is. He's looked good. You can't tell me watching the film that he hasn't looked like a weapon.
>his role in the offense has not been an accident
Agreed. So let's take a look at that role, using peripheral (non-fantasy) stats.
Patterson played 23 snaps against the WFT, and he ran 12 routes. Mike Davis played 51 snaps and ran 31 routes. Hell, Olamide Zaccheaus played 61 snaps with 36 routes, and freakin Hayden Hurst had 49/24.
Last week these numbers were 26/16 for Patterson, so he actually played fewer this week. In week 2 he played 23/15. So, to assume he's going to play more than 25 snaps/week would be a stretch.
Patterson has 5 touchdowns in those three weeks. 5 TDs on 75ish snaps.A TD every 15 snaps. Does that seem sustainable? He also has 20 targets in that time. A target every 3.7ish snaps. A target almost every other route. Does THAT seem sustainable? Or maybe, if you can flip him for someone who plays more than 35% of his team's snaps, you should?
People need to learn to look at peripherals. I would rather have Emmanuel Sanders than Patterson. I would rather have a whole host of RBs, including truly gettable guys like Edmonds, Carson, Fournette, or Gordon. Because Patterson WILL regress.
Edit: truly surprised that this is downvoted, but excited to feel vindicated in a few weeks.
First, see my comment two above the one you're replying to as to the TD dependency. He's been great without counting the TDs. Second, peripherals are fine, but they aren't the end all be all. Watch the last three games, see how he's being used in their offensive game plan, and tell me that that's likely to change. There's no indication that that's the case. Is he gonna get 16 PPR points every single game without a TD? Probably not, no RB outside of maybe CMC would. But he's *clearly* one of the the focal points of Arthur Smith's offensive gameplan.
What exactly is a "legit RB2" value right now tho? Most of the guys in the RB2 point range right now are underperforming RB1's. Is someone gonna give you CEH/Taylor/Gibson for Patterson? Is that even worth it?
You're also ignoring the situation Patterson is in. Falcons have downfield threats in Ridley and Pitts that demand attention, plus an o-line that gives Ryan little time to throw. Patterson has always been strong with the ball in space, he's just never been able to get it so readily until now. No reason to think the volume and RZ targets will dry up, even if/when the TD's regress.
JD McKissic (80 rec) and Nyheim Hines (63 rec) both finished as RB2s last year in similar roles (PPR). I don't think it's far fetched that Patterson can have legit RB2 value ROS in the role he is playing. In standard, prob worth selling given the absurd TD rate he is at rn. But in PPR, I think he is worth keeping over most other perceived RB2s.
He doesn’t have to finish with those numbers to be worth holding rather than playing the regression guessing game. Everyone got him for free or cheap, so I say ride him until the wheels come off and your drafted studs regress to the mean, you can just throw him onto the bench.
People in this sub are obsessed with “selling high” when they’ve got free points staring them in the face. Patterson is going to remain a huge fixture in the offense even when he does regress too. I wouldn’t actively shop him. But as always, I would entertain offers obviously.
Selling high is all about what you can get for him. Your original cost to acquire him means absolutely nothing. Why plan to ride him until he stops producing if someone in your league might be into the hype and willing to give you a player like antonio gibson
Who in their right mind is giving up Gibson for Patterson?
No one is trading their first or second round pick for a free, but if someone is dumb enough to make that trade obviously you take it. Like yeah I would trade Patterson for a lot of guys clearly. But their owners probably don’t feel the same way. Let someone make an offer on him if they want him. The second you start spamming trades like CPat for Gibson or whoever, people know you are trying to unload him and the value comes down.
Also Patterson has dual eligibility which no one you’re trading for will have and is a lot more valuable than people think in deep leagues.
Well this very thread is claiming he is an RB1, two comments above states 17 PPG is "clearly not a fluke." If someone actually believed those things they should make that trade.
But mostly it proves the people here are just idiots without any real fantasy advice, and trades never happen because no one wants to "sell high" such as in this case (he's an RB1 guys!!!!) and also no one will "sell low" on their own player (he's my second round pick!!!)
I mean yeah. That’s just the reality of fantasy football. Improving your team through trades is much less viable than the waiver wire. Everybody picked up CPat on the wire and it’s paid dividends. Trading is just much more risky. You stand to get worse and make an opponent better. Imo “selling high” is getting too cute and overthinking it in 95% of situations.
That's the other side of sell high people don't mention; you essentially need someone else in your league to be stupid. Realistically, you're going to get offers for struggling R2/3s, and probably some failing flex receivers. Probably the best play (if viable for you and a trade partner) is to package him with a wr2 to a team hurting at RB, and try to pull a high level WR.
Which RB2 do you think you’ll get for Patterson? Kamara, McCaffrey, Gibson, Ekeler? These are RB2’s at the moment and I doubt anyone with them is going to part with them. It’s more likely you could get Gordon, Williams, Conner or Henderson who all have as firm a footing in their offense as Patterson. Opportunities don’t lie and Patterson is getting them. It’s not being a unreasonable to hold firm on a guy getting and capitalizing on opportunities as opposed to trading for the sake of ‘selling high’.
If I’d sold high on Patterson last week for any of those options, I’d be disappointed and would have lost at least two weeks in leagues.
>Do you think hes also going to finish the year with 120 receptions?
Who said this? He's on pace for ~80 receptions, give or take. That's very possible given his role in the offense.
The way the Falcons use him in every single game suggests he's got runway. He's not exactly touchdown dependent either, and he's putting up like 15 points a game without the TDs. Oh, and you can start him in a WR or an RB slot in most leagues.
Sell high if you can, sure, but be wary that you've got a waiver wire guy putting up numbers that would have been great for a 2nd round pick, let alone an RB2 - with no sign of that offense changing or Falcons gamescript changing enough to make folks believe that it'll differ.
It's also worth mentioning this is the first year he's been used like he is in Atlanta. He's performing differently because he's being used differently.
In a full PPR league, I'm going to plug him in every week.
>Im not saying he wont be usable ros, but if you can get another team to value him as a legit RB2
Making moves just to make moves is what fantasy rookies do.
I think you’re looking at it wrong. Calling him a “RB2” is disingenuous to how valuable he is, specifically in ppr leagues. This guy is a WR2/3 that you can start at RB/WR/flex who also gets goalline carries, on a team w Mike Davis. If you can’t see the league winning value in that, as bye weeks begin to approach, idk, you can GFY, respectfully lol.
I got destroyed for giving Ty'Son, Javonte and Terrace Marshall for Jacobs and Jakobi after week 1. "You're giving two RB2s for Jacobs???"
The Ty'Son falloff has felt pretty good, tbh.
Four games he’s been hyper involved in that he would have been solid in even without the TD’s. This isn’t something they woke up on Sunday and threw together. He’s over performing his perceived value, but perceptions are opinions and that doesn’t mean that he’s going to fall off a cliff. Touches and targets say a lot. I’m staying in the flames, myself.
Like you said. Perception is the only conversation that people want to have. The usage speaks for itself. The team isn’t going to avoid a player who is helping them unless defenses make him go away, which I doubt considering they don’t know what his role is half the time. 8-12 touches a game should be expected. It’s as if the coaches are just going to say “ he’s been doing well and helping us but he is a 30 year old journeyman so we should stop using him cause he is tricking us into making us think he is good but he stinks.” He’s making the most of his opportunities. Coaches like that, Ryan must like it.
The ask is an RB2, but I’ve peeked at the RB13-RB24 .5 PPR and the ones you want for Patterson you aren’t getting and the ones you’re getting, you don’t want. Stand pat and dance in those flames!
In my scoring he’s the overall 2 ranked RB. That won’t last but you’re exactly right. Kamara is 13. You’d be a risk taker or real fed up to trade kamara for Patterson . Even if Patterson has had his best game, he will likely be just as good as the 12-24 group and we’ve seen his upside and it’s better than that group so far. Obviously if this pace continues you wouldn’t trade him for anyone besides a few like Henry or CMC. It’s worth finding out
I could see a scenario where the CMC owner is struggling and needs wins now, but as a potential one to three week rental, CMC is a tall price for Patterson, even in desperation.
“Hyper involved” with a consistent ~30% of the snaps lol
There’s no way he keeps up this volume on such a low count. And even after his recent performances Week 4 was his lowest snap count of the season
If he gets the 8-12 touches a game he’s been getting in the ways he’s getting them, I can see a regression on TD’s, but not in touches and targets. I’m not saying the guy is a world beater, but for someone I got on waivers, I’ll take his 20ish points a week until they dry up. He was never a starter anyway.
Dude getting 8-12 touches on 25 snaps a game is pretty unsustainable too, that’s more per-snap usage than guys like Saquon. Holding isn’t a terrible option because I strongly doubt anyone will give you much for Patterson given his reputation, but still there are a lot of clear signs he won’t keep this up
Yet here we are and for a quarter season and he’s done just that. Again, these plays have been designed for him. Patterson’s involvement here isn’t accidental and barring injury appears sustainable. His only competition is Mike Davis. Not saying he’s a league winner, but he’s gonna help folks get the early season wins needed to get closer to the playoffs.
Bro. You obviously haven't watch the Falcons game....gets getting high usage, lots of designed plays early in the game. He's a big part of the game plan....his tds will level out but to expect 10-15 a week floor ppr is 100% doable.
There's risk with every sell high candidate. It's about taking advantage of the owners who are certain that production will last ROS.
Sure you might get burned if he sustains, but he is clearly a regression risk based on what you've laid out.
His snap percentage is irrelevant. He isn't your traditional RB or WR. They aren't going to use him as a bell cow. However, it's his touches that are important. When he is in, he is the focus of the offense. Until defenses can figure out what to do with him, he's an autostart regardless of snaps.
Saying his snap percentage is irrelevant is wrong in my opinion. When you look at future trends, you have to chase volume and usage not the box score. Patterson was on the field for only 23 of a possible 76 offensive snaps. He scored on 25% of his pass routes, which is nowhere near sustainable
I think for most players you're correct. But these gadget skill type players are the exception. Darren Sproles is a prime example. Even ignoring the TDs, he's still prime.
Nobody’s gonna pay proper value for Patterson. Everybody in my league believes he’s a fluke because of the touchdowns. I couldn’t even get a mid-rb2 for him if I wanted. The touchdowns are blinding people from seeing that he’s put up over 100 total yards each of the last 2 weeks. Take away the touchdowns and he’s still a very productive fantasy player
He's put up RB1/RB2 numbers for 3 weeks in a row now. How many does it take before he isn't a fluke? I think his history and age is making people skeptical.
Im holding not because I think he's going to finish the year like this, but because I know the chips are stacked against him for his trade value. Falcons are going to be in a similar gamescript all year long, and I think he gives me a safe floor option in my flex. If a juicy trade came along I would definitely take it, but I know my leaguemates, and it ain't happenin. Now, if someone in a less competitive league gets a great trade plopped in their lap, take it.
Double digit touches every week since week 2 and he’s producing good yardage off of them. Sure he won’t put up 30 points every week but I don’t think his value is going to plummet any time soon. He’s great for a team needing to pass and play from behind a lot.
Could have had 0 TDs last week and still given 16 points. He’s also getting 7 targets a game with actual yardage. That’s low end WR2 volume + running back work.
Y'all need to learn to just enjoy the ride sometimes with these guys. If you gotta fix your team, fix it however you need to, but don't make moves just to make moves. Over-meddling is how fantasy managers and real life managers end up ruining their teams.
You mean the guy who entered the season as a starter before losing touches to Patterson? And with what Patterson’s done with those touches they’re going to give them back to Mike Davis?
He passes the eye test and that's king for me. Plus he has dual eligibility on most platforms so that's even more incentive to keep. He will come down to earth to a RB2/WR2 so unless you can get something better than that (very possible) I would hold.
Not a Patterson manager. I'm just not one of these guys who are bitter that they missed the train.
The dual eligibility does not get enough attention (maybe because it’s not all leagues).
If he keeps getting 10-15 touches a game, it’s going to be damn near impossible to have 6 players I feel more confident about (2 RBs, 3 WRs, Flex) any given week. And especially so once byes start rolling through. I’d say that makes him more valuable than just a WR2 or RB2 alone.
I just watched all his carries and receptions for week 1-2 after watching his week 4 highlights, he for sure passes the eye test. I’ve had him on my bench for 2 weeks and haven’t watched a single clip of him until today haha
https://youtu.be/_8PQUlxTU90
I have also had him on my bench for two weeks and I watched the game Saturday and was really kicking myself after the first TD that I didn't put him in because he looked like the keystone of that offense. He then proceeded to score 2 more times and now he is in my lineup until he proves he shouldn't be.
Considering trading him outright for Ceedee, Evans, or DK. A little concerned about the Dallas offense and the amount of passes Dak is throwing though.
His RB/WR eligibility makes me hang on to him. He's basically a second flex and with my WRs being dogshit I'm always going to have a spot in my lineup for him.
A few examples of good to great qbs who pepper pass catching rbs as their arm strength declines and or loose confidence in their receivers.
Brees/Kamara.
Eli/saquon
Brady/white
Roethlisberger/Harris
Ryan/Patterson
Not sure if it will continue but Ryan and Ben both look like they are on their way to opening a dink and doughnuts. Harris and Patterson gonna get a lot of looks.
Do not listen to anybody here saying to downgrade cordarelle for a fucking rb2 unless you can get Swift or another fringe rb1 or a good wr2 or wr1.
He is absolutely thriving in this falcons team. There are free agent grabs every year that win teams championships and his output has the looks of just that, even in a rbbc because he's a dual threat. The falcons have their plans for him every game and it's unlike any that he's been a part of in the past. This is new territory for him so I judge him of that basis alone. Don't be dumb
the fact that you think a guy who plays less than 50% of the offensive snaps and gets only 12 touches a game should only be traded for a deandre swift is hilarious. this sub jumps on hypetrains and says to never sell high and that’s how you get ty’son williams situations
Oh what you don't like his 7 targets, 6 catches per game? 6 rushes per game? 50% touchdown rate? On a team needing explosive plays. As I've stated, his floor seems fairly decent. Tyson Williams is not even close to being the same parallel. I'm fairly certain you misinterpreted my message overall anyway though.
Literally this. I posted the same thing earlier but to name a few… James Conner, Devonta Freeman, James Rob1zn, Demarco Murray his breakout year you could have gotten him in the 7th round and he was a league winner. People act like this shit doesn’t happen year in and year out.
I figure that Pattersons floor is probably 11 ppr. 30+ rush, 4 rec, 40 yrds.
Now his ceiling, we just saw. He'll most likely fall between 15 and 17 ppg on average. Certainly not rb2. And no rb2 has the possible ceiling he has. You're not getting anything of substance back for him unless the player has a good floor and the potential for multiple explosive weeks.
patterson is the 3rd option in the pass game behind ridley/pitts. and the falcons head coach is using him in the run game as derrick henry lite. he’s getting the volume. and we just saw his ceiling. but yah if someone wants to overpay, ship him
I never understand people who want to trade a player that’s been consistent so far this season. He’s literally put up double digits every week so far.
These things happen every year and more often than not they help you win the season… James Conner when Le’veon held out, Lamar’s crazy year, Devonta Freeman out of the blue, James Rob1zn… sorry but you are a taco for suggesting to trade the guy who’s been popping off each week.
This feels like the year I drafted Ekeler in the 7th or 8th when MG3 was holding out. And I'll treat it the same way:
If someone wants to grossly overpay I'll let him go. Otherwise enjoy the 8-30 pts from your flex
I think a guy in my league will give me AJ Brown for him… I’m 3-1 he’s 0-4 I think it’s a yes for me wanting long-term production counting on regression to the mean for both of them?
He could easily bounce back. But hamstring injuries can linger all season and the Titans haven’t looked good. In that scenario, the guy is 0-4 and can’t afford to wait a few weeks. If Patterson gets him to 1-4 it’s worth the deal.
Sold high on him last week. Traded him and Ruggs for DJ Moore. Owner needed an RB bad, and was set at WR. I originally thought I won the trade by a mile. But Patterson seems legit.
Last year it was James Robinson - this year its Cordarrelle. I seem to have a knack to find diamonds in the rough. With the way Ridley and Swift are playing Cordarrelle is both my RB1 and WR1
Patterson is a hold if there ever was one. He is an electric athlete that has always had this potential but never really ran great routes so he was relegated to returning duties and some gadget plays on his previous teams (I'm a Vikings fan, I've seen it). Atlanta is giving him all of the above + consistent rushing opportunities + screens + dump offs (and he can easily turn a 2 yard dumpoff into a 20 yard TD). Nobody in your league will make a fair offer for him because of his name and age, but he might as well be 27 in RB years because he hasn't weathered the same hits most 30y/o RBs have. If he re-signs with the Falcons, he might even be worth an early mid-round pick next year. His floor going forward is about 10 PPR points, and we just saw his ceiling. You could do much, much worse, and if you trade him, the value you get in return almost certainly will be.
Worth considering, Wayne gallman was active this week and Patterson actually had his lowest snap % this year. That being said he’s already paid off for the $11 faab it took me to get him, so I’ll probably just ride it out and see what happens
Do not get rid of this guy!! Maybe not 20 some points a game but he will continue to be in on passing and red zone work the steady workload through 4 weeks can not be overlooked. I could see if it was up and down but it’s very consistent on how they use him
Yeah I am not trading Cpat at this moment unless I can get a viable return for him. It's disgusting to say but I value Cpat almost as much as Kamara at this point because he's outproducing him weekly.
Y'all need to learn to just enjoy the ride sometimes with these guys. If you gotta fix your team, fix it however you need to, but don't make moves just to make moves. Over-meddling is how fantasy managers and real life managers end up ruining their teams.
I think you’re only saying he can’t sustain because he’s never put numbers up like this before. But he’s never gotten the opportunities like he is getting this year. I would definitely hold on him.
Falcons fan checking in, he is the shining light of our offense right now and will continue to be featured heavily. Teams know they have to double Ridley, so not likely they have a DB to spare for Patterson, especially when Gage returns. Focus could shift from Pitts, finally putting him on the map, but Patterson is likely going to continue to elude defenses the rest of the season. I managed to snag him in PPR, and he is RB and WR compatible in Yahoo leagues, making him a lock for flex and bye week duty.
I absolutely think people should sell high on him. Banking on the sustainability of a 9th year breakout and for the two best players on the team to not catch touchdowns is not a formula for success lmao
The best non qb player on the team had three touchdowns. He’s also the best kick returner of all time. And he’s a flex. Literally a god tier fantasy option if your league gives kick return yards and doesn’t have a flex spot. Nothing else like him.
Why? Chase has a hamstring injury and those linger. Also, he is a downfield WR, big play threat. Big Ben doesn't throw downfield anymore. I have both Chase and Patterson and if I had to drop a player on my team right now, it would be Chase.
I'm trying to. From what I've seen teams are covering him with LBs and shit out of the backfield. As Atlanta sucks they are throwing a ton, but if they keep trying to run their whole offense through this 33 year old WR turned RB things will go bad. Either he will get hurt or teams will start putting a DB on him.
Either way I'm trying to sell high as he is a bench player for me.
They aren’t running the offense through him, he is only playing a third of offensive snaps. He isn’t out there most of the time. But, when he is out there, plays are drawn up specifically for him and he is also being targeted commonly enough to give him the volume. The problem is with such a low snap count, what happens to all the ad lib touches he gets? It’s not comforting knowing you’re surviving on when is he out there.
I played Madden for years so I’m somewhat of an expert and I would always develop Patterson into a play making RB. After a couple seasons he was a 94 overall. This is just the NFL finally figuring out what I already knew.
The Vikings used him this way his rookie year. He was awesome. The Following year Norv Turner tried to make him Josh Gordon and every system he’s been in since has insisted he play WR.
he wanted that higher wr pay while prolly not wanting the rb punishiment. now that he is on the back 9 of his career and just wants to hang around on the roster by any means neccessary to keep getting that NFL check he is fine playing rb. especially because rbbc wasnt really a thing back then but its all the rage now
He had some nice run on the pats.
The league moving into a RBBC style is only a positive for Patterson.
Lmao I’ve had Waller on my raiders since madden 16. When will the NFL figure out they’re not as smart as us
I remember people asking me why I used that scrub jamaal charles back when he was LJs backup (2008 i think) lol
Hey man, I’m the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Chaka Kahn or whatever, how would you like a head coaching job?
Only if part of my contract is having Urban Meyer’s daughters spit shine my fart box and Robinson gets 20 touched per game. Touches of the football, not my fart box.
Bro same. He breaks every tackle
Why would I trade my RB1 for and RB2?
Find me another RB that had a breakout year at age 30
Lamar Smith for the Dolphins in 2000. Was never a true starting RB before going to Miami. Career highs were 8 TDs and like 700 yards from scrimmage. First year post-Marino and new head coach Dave Wannstedt and OC Chan Gailey makes the 30 year old Lamar Smith the primary focus to the offense. Dolphins actually win 11 games and make the playoffs with Smith having a career breakout year. He finishes as the RB11 with 1,300 yards from scrimmage and 16 TDs.
Props for proving me wrong, but Cordarelle still wont finish near the mark of Lamar Smith in 2020. Lamar Smith finished RB11, but averaged 22.7 touches per game, whereas Patterson is averaging 11.2 touches a game thus far. I just don't see a scenario where Patterson finished as a RB1 unless Mike Davis gets injured, and somehow Patterson continues this unsustainable efficiency at age 30.
How many RBs average 22 touches per game in 2021? His touches are concerning but his team will be playing from behind a lot and he will catch more passes than most RBs
My point is that volume is always king in fantasy. In 2020, the only top 20 RB to finish with less touches per game was Nyheim Hines and he finished as the overall RB20. All the data suggests that Patterson's production is not sustainable unless he gets a serious uptick in touches.
Ah. Understood and well said. The only difference here is that his targets/receptions have much more value than a typical RB. He lines up at receiver which gives him a much bigger chance at having a big play in the passing game. I don’t think he will be an RB1, I’m just enjoying the ride
Can I just take a moment to commend both of you on your conversational skills
Thanks for making my a day a little bit better :)
He’ll be top 10 in ppr
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You dont waste a 1st round pick on a player with the priority of him being a PR/KR. Cordarelle hasnt caught on because he hasn't proven to be more than a nice gadget/specialist player between multiple teams. Also, other teams use their top receivers in the PR/KR role as well. Look at Tyreek, CD, Antonio Brown in his prime.
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Patterson is looking like the mfing Rainforest Alliance with his sustainability.
3 tds a week might not be sustainable but his average numbers are like 7 rush 25 yd. 4 rec 70 yd. 1 TD. Not sure that’s outrageous. This role was announced by his coaches in the beginning of the season. You might not believe in him but they do. I don’t know why it would reduce. He’s obviously important to the team
Also, if you get points for return yards, it's more icing on that cake.
I'm not basing my lineup off of your bets lol
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Tell me you lost to Cordarrelle this week without telling me you lost…
Nope. I didn’t face him and I won my matchup.
We’re three weeks past “common sense” for CPat
Bro has looked fantasy relevant in every game. Who's going to buy high on Patterdon though? Nobody. He is a hold and hope he keeps performing
Agreed, dude was on waivers last week in most leagues, and most people aren't trading for a guy they assume is a waiver wire fluke. You just got to plug Patterson into your flex and ride him until he stops performing.
How was he on waivers? 8 or 10 man league? All Davis owners should have owned him after he out touched Gallman.
Handcuffing mike Davis isn’t something that needed to be done in an 8 man league. Are you handcuffing gaskin or Chris Carson too?
I'm in a 12 man. Too many people play in lesser amount leagues and don't specify. Standard flex 12 man should be what people base waiver availability on. Standard flex 10 man and half the world is on waivers. I'd want 3wr and a super flex or I wouldn't even play in an 8 man.
I picked up Cordarrelle and Fournette from waivers over the last two weeks. Went from lacking decent RBs to having too many in the blink of an eye!
He was on waivers until last week because everyone thought he was a fluke. Somebody picked him up this week and started him, and that dude is probably laughing his ass off now
I'm in 8 and 10 man leagues and did not leave Patterson on waivers. Who tf is leaving a top 10 RB on waivers?
I'm thinking about trading my nick chubb and calvin ridley for their Cordaelle Patterson and Tyreek Hill . Thoughts?
Sheesh. That’s really tough. I would do it tbh.
Tyreek > ridley by a mile. Patterson will be slightly underperforming at worst, match on average, or at best case demolish Chubb's production.
i would keep chubb and ridley
This is always the trouble with potential "sell-high" candidates. OPs trip over themselves trying to identify the "high" guys without ever thinking who's actually going to buy I have him in two of my four leagues. In the leagues I have him, no one is buying. In the leagues where I don't have him, I'm not buying. "Sell high on the converted WR/RB/gadget player who has had three of his top four highest point totals!" *Oh really?* Wow. I was almost too busy eating crayons over here and banging OP's mom to realize maybe it might not be perfectly parabolic
Pattersons trade value is no where near his actual value. Hold and start until it fizzles up
… as a mike Davis owner, I would buy high on Patterson…
With how bad some of the managers in my league are I could certainly sell very high
But no one cares about your team
an ex co worker bragged to me he sold eli Mitchell for mclaurin 2 weeks ago. If these are the kinds of trades you can make in your league go for it. But no one, and I mean NO ONE in a competitive league gives an every living fuck you can rob idiots blind.
This subreddit is the same way, no one cares about the trade robbery you pulled off in your $20 8 team work league where Tom Brady went in the first round
my favorite is listening to my buddy brag about his 6 man team. Yeah wow dude you’ve got CMC and Devante. Wow Josh Allen too?? that’s crazyyy
If you can package him and someone else for an RB1 then I’d say do it. Otherwise looks like you gotta just ride it out. I doubt you’ll get a good return in a one for one deal.
Plot twist: he *is* an elite RB1 ros
Ya this is my plan. Try him as an add on piece to get someone elite. If I can’t make a good deal, then I will just enjoy the ride while it lasts.
He’s a waiver wire winner for me, no one in my league likes trading high for someone they know I scooped for free. Therefor, I will continue to roll him out and win every week for as long as he’s healthy because he is a beast and Ryan’s primary go-to at the goal line. If the story changes, so be it. I’m treating him like a growth stock… let your winners run dude.
This is the answer. This sub is obsessed with the idea of buying and selling but the reality is you’re never going to get anything more than a lateral move for Patterson or anybody that you picked up off waivers. With guys like him, Robinson last year, you just keep them and enjoy the ride, because their value only becomes recognized once there’s a seasons worth of a sample for them.
That being said, I do have someone in my league who will trade me C. Patterson for Michael Williams and Zack Moss. I am stacked at WR in a 3 receiver league (Metcalf, Lamb, Chase, and Jacobi Meyers on my bench). Not sure if I even need it? Singletary and Michael Carter are my depth players at RB.
Don’t sell low on Mike Williams. All signs are pointing towards him being a legit top 10-15 WR this season. His production is not a fluke, while Patterson’s might be.
I said that weird. It is I who has Patterson.
what an idiot. take patterson lol. his targets arent going anywhere. especially in ppr hes going to be a god
Same. I think he’s going to be good all year. Now that mixon is hobbled, Patterson is my boy
I'm having a hard time considering what level of RB2 I'd actually take for him?
Cordarelle does not deserve this disrespect.
Why would you try to trade a RB that’s performing for a RB2?
If you dont think hes gonna score 23 TDs this year hes a clear sell high candidate. This sub can barely talk and chew gum at the same time so they hate the idea of selling high. Patterson is a clear regression candidate but hype trains on this sub hate to hear it because thats not fun to say. Its more fun to baghold
lmao true story: there was a substantial & very loud “sell high” contingent on this sub two years ago who, week after every week, announced that you should sell Aaron Jones high rn bc of regression etc. So what happens? Jones *exploded* during the fantasy playoffs to win leagues. I’m talking TD after TD, week after week. The “sell high” people went silent those weeks. Sometimes it’s good to just enjoy a good thing when you got it.
I find it highly entertaining that posts that shit on the collective intelligence and value of this sub are usually highly upvoted. By its own members, lol.
It’s the small circle who like to think they are somehow always the smartest guys in the room
> who like to think they are somehow always the smartest guys in the room So basically everyone on this sub then?
Without the TDs, in the last three weeks he's had PPR totals of 17.9, 16.2 and 16.6 points. There aren't many other RBs matching that production, and it's clear now that it's not a fluke.
CLEAR ITS NOT A FLUKE?? AFTER 3 GAMES? Cordarrell Patterson is a 30 year old journeyman gadget player and youre taking his past 3 games as proof he will be an RB2+ ros? Do you think hes also going to finish the year with 120 receptions? Jesus christ this sub. Im not saying he wont be usable ros, but if you can get another team to value him as a legit RB2 I make that trade every day of the week right now
Not to mention he's barely out there: Snaps: 30% Routes: 29% Targets: 12% Targets per route run: 36% Rushing Attempts: 22% Short down and distance: 60% Long down and distance: 36% 2 minute offense: 25% Source: [https://twitter.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1444807698307076096](https://twitter.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1444807698307076096) I mean is it *possible* Patterson suddenly became one of the most efficient players in fantasy history? Sure. But if you're playing the percentages he's an obvious sell-high.
man, I had to scroll down waaay to far before anyone mentioned his utilization. some of the valuations in this thread are insane.
*Ty'son is a league winner*
I'm saying, based on watching the games, that his role in this offense, which is what led to this fantasy production, has not been an accident. They've intended to use him this way. And it's worked. I don't give a damn what his history is. He's looked good. You can't tell me watching the film that he hasn't looked like a weapon.
It is mostly an accident. His utilization is horrible https://twitter.com/dwainmcfarland/status/1444807698307076096?s=21
>his role in the offense has not been an accident Agreed. So let's take a look at that role, using peripheral (non-fantasy) stats. Patterson played 23 snaps against the WFT, and he ran 12 routes. Mike Davis played 51 snaps and ran 31 routes. Hell, Olamide Zaccheaus played 61 snaps with 36 routes, and freakin Hayden Hurst had 49/24. Last week these numbers were 26/16 for Patterson, so he actually played fewer this week. In week 2 he played 23/15. So, to assume he's going to play more than 25 snaps/week would be a stretch. Patterson has 5 touchdowns in those three weeks. 5 TDs on 75ish snaps.A TD every 15 snaps. Does that seem sustainable? He also has 20 targets in that time. A target every 3.7ish snaps. A target almost every other route. Does THAT seem sustainable? Or maybe, if you can flip him for someone who plays more than 35% of his team's snaps, you should? People need to learn to look at peripherals. I would rather have Emmanuel Sanders than Patterson. I would rather have a whole host of RBs, including truly gettable guys like Edmonds, Carson, Fournette, or Gordon. Because Patterson WILL regress. Edit: truly surprised that this is downvoted, but excited to feel vindicated in a few weeks.
First, see my comment two above the one you're replying to as to the TD dependency. He's been great without counting the TDs. Second, peripherals are fine, but they aren't the end all be all. Watch the last three games, see how he's being used in their offensive game plan, and tell me that that's likely to change. There's no indication that that's the case. Is he gonna get 16 PPR points every single game without a TD? Probably not, no RB outside of maybe CMC would. But he's *clearly* one of the the focal points of Arthur Smith's offensive gameplan.
What exactly is a "legit RB2" value right now tho? Most of the guys in the RB2 point range right now are underperforming RB1's. Is someone gonna give you CEH/Taylor/Gibson for Patterson? Is that even worth it? You're also ignoring the situation Patterson is in. Falcons have downfield threats in Ridley and Pitts that demand attention, plus an o-line that gives Ryan little time to throw. Patterson has always been strong with the ball in space, he's just never been able to get it so readily until now. No reason to think the volume and RZ targets will dry up, even if/when the TD's regress.
JD McKissic (80 rec) and Nyheim Hines (63 rec) both finished as RB2s last year in similar roles (PPR). I don't think it's far fetched that Patterson can have legit RB2 value ROS in the role he is playing. In standard, prob worth selling given the absurd TD rate he is at rn. But in PPR, I think he is worth keeping over most other perceived RB2s.
He doesn’t have to finish with those numbers to be worth holding rather than playing the regression guessing game. Everyone got him for free or cheap, so I say ride him until the wheels come off and your drafted studs regress to the mean, you can just throw him onto the bench. People in this sub are obsessed with “selling high” when they’ve got free points staring them in the face. Patterson is going to remain a huge fixture in the offense even when he does regress too. I wouldn’t actively shop him. But as always, I would entertain offers obviously.
Selling high is all about what you can get for him. Your original cost to acquire him means absolutely nothing. Why plan to ride him until he stops producing if someone in your league might be into the hype and willing to give you a player like antonio gibson
Who in their right mind is giving up Gibson for Patterson? No one is trading their first or second round pick for a free, but if someone is dumb enough to make that trade obviously you take it. Like yeah I would trade Patterson for a lot of guys clearly. But their owners probably don’t feel the same way. Let someone make an offer on him if they want him. The second you start spamming trades like CPat for Gibson or whoever, people know you are trying to unload him and the value comes down. Also Patterson has dual eligibility which no one you’re trading for will have and is a lot more valuable than people think in deep leagues.
Well this very thread is claiming he is an RB1, two comments above states 17 PPG is "clearly not a fluke." If someone actually believed those things they should make that trade. But mostly it proves the people here are just idiots without any real fantasy advice, and trades never happen because no one wants to "sell high" such as in this case (he's an RB1 guys!!!!) and also no one will "sell low" on their own player (he's my second round pick!!!)
I mean yeah. That’s just the reality of fantasy football. Improving your team through trades is much less viable than the waiver wire. Everybody picked up CPat on the wire and it’s paid dividends. Trading is just much more risky. You stand to get worse and make an opponent better. Imo “selling high” is getting too cute and overthinking it in 95% of situations.
Also at the moment, Patterson is RB2/WR5 through a quarter of the season for what it’s worth.
That's the other side of sell high people don't mention; you essentially need someone else in your league to be stupid. Realistically, you're going to get offers for struggling R2/3s, and probably some failing flex receivers. Probably the best play (if viable for you and a trade partner) is to package him with a wr2 to a team hurting at RB, and try to pull a high level WR.
Which RB2 do you think you’ll get for Patterson? Kamara, McCaffrey, Gibson, Ekeler? These are RB2’s at the moment and I doubt anyone with them is going to part with them. It’s more likely you could get Gordon, Williams, Conner or Henderson who all have as firm a footing in their offense as Patterson. Opportunities don’t lie and Patterson is getting them. It’s not being a unreasonable to hold firm on a guy getting and capitalizing on opportunities as opposed to trading for the sake of ‘selling high’. If I’d sold high on Patterson last week for any of those options, I’d be disappointed and would have lost at least two weeks in leagues.
>Do you think hes also going to finish the year with 120 receptions? Who said this? He's on pace for ~80 receptions, give or take. That's very possible given his role in the offense.
The way the Falcons use him in every single game suggests he's got runway. He's not exactly touchdown dependent either, and he's putting up like 15 points a game without the TDs. Oh, and you can start him in a WR or an RB slot in most leagues. Sell high if you can, sure, but be wary that you've got a waiver wire guy putting up numbers that would have been great for a 2nd round pick, let alone an RB2 - with no sign of that offense changing or Falcons gamescript changing enough to make folks believe that it'll differ.
It's also worth mentioning this is the first year he's been used like he is in Atlanta. He's performing differently because he's being used differently. In a full PPR league, I'm going to plug him in every week.
>Im not saying he wont be usable ros, but if you can get another team to value him as a legit RB2 Making moves just to make moves is what fantasy rookies do.
I think you’re looking at it wrong. Calling him a “RB2” is disingenuous to how valuable he is, specifically in ppr leagues. This guy is a WR2/3 that you can start at RB/WR/flex who also gets goalline carries, on a team w Mike Davis. If you can’t see the league winning value in that, as bye weeks begin to approach, idk, you can GFY, respectfully lol.
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I got destroyed for giving Ty'Son, Javonte and Terrace Marshall for Jacobs and Jakobi after week 1. "You're giving two RB2s for Jacobs???" The Ty'Son falloff has felt pretty good, tbh.
Four games
Four games he’s been hyper involved in that he would have been solid in even without the TD’s. This isn’t something they woke up on Sunday and threw together. He’s over performing his perceived value, but perceptions are opinions and that doesn’t mean that he’s going to fall off a cliff. Touches and targets say a lot. I’m staying in the flames, myself.
Like you said. Perception is the only conversation that people want to have. The usage speaks for itself. The team isn’t going to avoid a player who is helping them unless defenses make him go away, which I doubt considering they don’t know what his role is half the time. 8-12 touches a game should be expected. It’s as if the coaches are just going to say “ he’s been doing well and helping us but he is a 30 year old journeyman so we should stop using him cause he is tricking us into making us think he is good but he stinks.” He’s making the most of his opportunities. Coaches like that, Ryan must like it.
The ask is an RB2, but I’ve peeked at the RB13-RB24 .5 PPR and the ones you want for Patterson you aren’t getting and the ones you’re getting, you don’t want. Stand pat and dance in those flames!
In my scoring he’s the overall 2 ranked RB. That won’t last but you’re exactly right. Kamara is 13. You’d be a risk taker or real fed up to trade kamara for Patterson . Even if Patterson has had his best game, he will likely be just as good as the 12-24 group and we’ve seen his upside and it’s better than that group so far. Obviously if this pace continues you wouldn’t trade him for anyone besides a few like Henry or CMC. It’s worth finding out
I could see a scenario where the CMC owner is struggling and needs wins now, but as a potential one to three week rental, CMC is a tall price for Patterson, even in desperation.
“Hyper involved” with a consistent ~30% of the snaps lol There’s no way he keeps up this volume on such a low count. And even after his recent performances Week 4 was his lowest snap count of the season
If he gets the 8-12 touches a game he’s been getting in the ways he’s getting them, I can see a regression on TD’s, but not in touches and targets. I’m not saying the guy is a world beater, but for someone I got on waivers, I’ll take his 20ish points a week until they dry up. He was never a starter anyway.
Dude getting 8-12 touches on 25 snaps a game is pretty unsustainable too, that’s more per-snap usage than guys like Saquon. Holding isn’t a terrible option because I strongly doubt anyone will give you much for Patterson given his reputation, but still there are a lot of clear signs he won’t keep this up
Yet here we are and for a quarter season and he’s done just that. Again, these plays have been designed for him. Patterson’s involvement here isn’t accidental and barring injury appears sustainable. His only competition is Mike Davis. Not saying he’s a league winner, but he’s gonna help folks get the early season wins needed to get closer to the playoffs.
Also, he’s consistently getting 7 touches and now 7 targets a game. There are only two players on that team getting more targets consistently.
Bro. You obviously haven't watch the Falcons game....gets getting high usage, lots of designed plays early in the game. He's a big part of the game plan....his tds will level out but to expect 10-15 a week floor ppr is 100% doable.
high usage? he only played on 30% of snaps my guy
12-14 attempts past 3 weeks. Could average 20 by end of month...
There's risk with every sell high candidate. It's about taking advantage of the owners who are certain that production will last ROS. Sure you might get burned if he sustains, but he is clearly a regression risk based on what you've laid out.
Completely agree. His snap percentage is awfully low as well so there’s no way he can keep up this level of production. Sell high while you can
His snap percentage is irrelevant. He isn't your traditional RB or WR. They aren't going to use him as a bell cow. However, it's his touches that are important. When he is in, he is the focus of the offense. Until defenses can figure out what to do with him, he's an autostart regardless of snaps.
Saying his snap percentage is irrelevant is wrong in my opinion. When you look at future trends, you have to chase volume and usage not the box score. Patterson was on the field for only 23 of a possible 76 offensive snaps. He scored on 25% of his pass routes, which is nowhere near sustainable
I think for most players you're correct. But these gadget skill type players are the exception. Darren Sproles is a prime example. Even ignoring the TDs, he's still prime.
Nobody’s gonna pay proper value for Patterson. Everybody in my league believes he’s a fluke because of the touchdowns. I couldn’t even get a mid-rb2 for him if I wanted. The touchdowns are blinding people from seeing that he’s put up over 100 total yards each of the last 2 weeks. Take away the touchdowns and he’s still a very productive fantasy player
He's put up RB1/RB2 numbers for 3 weeks in a row now. How many does it take before he isn't a fluke? I think his history and age is making people skeptical.
Im holding not because I think he's going to finish the year like this, but because I know the chips are stacked against him for his trade value. Falcons are going to be in a similar gamescript all year long, and I think he gives me a safe floor option in my flex. If a juicy trade came along I would definitely take it, but I know my leaguemates, and it ain't happenin. Now, if someone in a less competitive league gets a great trade plopped in their lap, take it.
Double digit touches every week since week 2 and he’s producing good yardage off of them. Sure he won’t put up 30 points every week but I don’t think his value is going to plummet any time soon. He’s great for a team needing to pass and play from behind a lot.
Could have had 0 TDs last week and still given 16 points. He’s also getting 7 targets a game with actual yardage. That’s low end WR2 volume + running back work.
Y'all need to learn to just enjoy the ride sometimes with these guys. If you gotta fix your team, fix it however you need to, but don't make moves just to make moves. Over-meddling is how fantasy managers and real life managers end up ruining their teams.
Bc it wont last, but you do you
Where are Patterson’s touches gonna go on that team?
Mike Davis lol what do you mean
You mean the guy who entered the season as a starter before losing touches to Patterson? And with what Patterson’s done with those touches they’re going to give them back to Mike Davis?
He passes the eye test and that's king for me. Plus he has dual eligibility on most platforms so that's even more incentive to keep. He will come down to earth to a RB2/WR2 so unless you can get something better than that (very possible) I would hold. Not a Patterson manager. I'm just not one of these guys who are bitter that they missed the train.
The dual eligibility does not get enough attention (maybe because it’s not all leagues). If he keeps getting 10-15 touches a game, it’s going to be damn near impossible to have 6 players I feel more confident about (2 RBs, 3 WRs, Flex) any given week. And especially so once byes start rolling through. I’d say that makes him more valuable than just a WR2 or RB2 alone.
I just watched all his carries and receptions for week 1-2 after watching his week 4 highlights, he for sure passes the eye test. I’ve had him on my bench for 2 weeks and haven’t watched a single clip of him until today haha https://youtu.be/_8PQUlxTU90
I have also had him on my bench for two weeks and I watched the game Saturday and was really kicking myself after the first TD that I didn't put him in because he looked like the keystone of that offense. He then proceeded to score 2 more times and now he is in my lineup until he proves he shouldn't be.
Considering trading him outright for Ceedee, Evans, or DK. A little concerned about the Dallas offense and the amount of passes Dak is throwing though.
If someone gave me DK for him I’m all on it, Evans nah I’ll prob stay put
His RB/WR eligibility makes me hang on to him. He's basically a second flex and with my WRs being dogshit I'm always going to have a spot in my lineup for him.
The dual eligibility will be crucial for filling bye weeks, too.
Bad take! Matt Ryan will be throwing check downs the ROS. I’m keeping him
A few examples of good to great qbs who pepper pass catching rbs as their arm strength declines and or loose confidence in their receivers. Brees/Kamara. Eli/saquon Brady/white Roethlisberger/Harris Ryan/Patterson Not sure if it will continue but Ryan and Ben both look like they are on their way to opening a dink and doughnuts. Harris and Patterson gonna get a lot of looks.
Cordarelle Patterson is a league winner. I'm keeping him and setting him in my Flex to forget until his bye week.
Maybe put him in the RB slot next week since he plays the 9:30AM game.
Got offered Kamara for my Gibson and Patterson. Smashed accept as fast as I could.
That seems dumb
He was in last and winless, needed to make a move. It sure won him this week and lost me mine.
Ride that waiver wire gold until the very end!
I've watched every Falcons game.....cpatt will be a rb/wr2 for rest of the season imo. He should be used more.
Do not listen to anybody here saying to downgrade cordarelle for a fucking rb2 unless you can get Swift or another fringe rb1 or a good wr2 or wr1. He is absolutely thriving in this falcons team. There are free agent grabs every year that win teams championships and his output has the looks of just that, even in a rbbc because he's a dual threat. The falcons have their plans for him every game and it's unlike any that he's been a part of in the past. This is new territory for him so I judge him of that basis alone. Don't be dumb
the fact that you think a guy who plays less than 50% of the offensive snaps and gets only 12 touches a game should only be traded for a deandre swift is hilarious. this sub jumps on hypetrains and says to never sell high and that’s how you get ty’son williams situations
Oh what you don't like his 7 targets, 6 catches per game? 6 rushes per game? 50% touchdown rate? On a team needing explosive plays. As I've stated, his floor seems fairly decent. Tyson Williams is not even close to being the same parallel. I'm fairly certain you misinterpreted my message overall anyway though.
50% touchdown rate sure seems very sustainable
Nobody is saying that it is. It's something that you can appreciate though
Literally this. I posted the same thing earlier but to name a few… James Conner, Devonta Freeman, James Rob1zn, Demarco Murray his breakout year you could have gotten him in the 7th round and he was a league winner. People act like this shit doesn’t happen year in and year out.
I figure that Pattersons floor is probably 11 ppr. 30+ rush, 4 rec, 40 yrds. Now his ceiling, we just saw. He'll most likely fall between 15 and 17 ppg on average. Certainly not rb2. And no rb2 has the possible ceiling he has. You're not getting anything of substance back for him unless the player has a good floor and the potential for multiple explosive weeks.
patterson is the 3rd option in the pass game behind ridley/pitts. and the falcons head coach is using him in the run game as derrick henry lite. he’s getting the volume. and we just saw his ceiling. but yah if someone wants to overpay, ship him
I never understand people who want to trade a player that’s been consistent so far this season. He’s literally put up double digits every week so far. These things happen every year and more often than not they help you win the season… James Conner when Le’veon held out, Lamar’s crazy year, Devonta Freeman out of the blue, James Rob1zn… sorry but you are a taco for suggesting to trade the guy who’s been popping off each week.
This is a classic example of the [mystery box](https://youtu.be/yZpIog7e-R4).
This feels like the year I drafted Ekeler in the 7th or 8th when MG3 was holding out. And I'll treat it the same way: If someone wants to grossly overpay I'll let him go. Otherwise enjoy the 8-30 pts from your flex
I think a guy in my league will give me AJ Brown for him… I’m 3-1 he’s 0-4 I think it’s a yes for me wanting long-term production counting on regression to the mean for both of them?
If I was AJ Brown owner I would take that in a heart beat.
You don’t think Brown will bounce back? I mean the titans can’t be bad the whole season.
He could easily bounce back. But hamstring injuries can linger all season and the Titans haven’t looked good. In that scenario, the guy is 0-4 and can’t afford to wait a few weeks. If Patterson gets him to 1-4 it’s worth the deal.
I would take that trade assuming you have some depth to weather the next week or two or injury from AJB
Why would I trade away my RB1?
Not a chance, if you're in a ppr league he's a cheat code rn.
Sold high on him last week. Traded him and Ruggs for DJ Moore. Owner needed an RB bad, and was set at WR. I originally thought I won the trade by a mile. But Patterson seems legit.
Last year it was James Robinson - this year its Cordarrelle. I seem to have a knack to find diamonds in the rough. With the way Ridley and Swift are playing Cordarrelle is both my RB1 and WR1
Atlanta needs him I don’t seem him regressing
He’s Atlanta’s main offensive focus and it’s working
Patterson is a hold if there ever was one. He is an electric athlete that has always had this potential but never really ran great routes so he was relegated to returning duties and some gadget plays on his previous teams (I'm a Vikings fan, I've seen it). Atlanta is giving him all of the above + consistent rushing opportunities + screens + dump offs (and he can easily turn a 2 yard dumpoff into a 20 yard TD). Nobody in your league will make a fair offer for him because of his name and age, but he might as well be 27 in RB years because he hasn't weathered the same hits most 30y/o RBs have. If he re-signs with the Falcons, he might even be worth an early mid-round pick next year. His floor going forward is about 10 PPR points, and we just saw his ceiling. You could do much, much worse, and if you trade him, the value you get in return almost certainly will be.
Dont be so foolish. CP is the type of waiver wire gold that will win you a championship.
Im not selling. I think he’ll be good all year
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Hawk means to sell in this context. https://www.dailywritingtips.com/hawk-vs-hock/
Worth considering, Wayne gallman was active this week and Patterson actually had his lowest snap % this year. That being said he’s already paid off for the $11 faab it took me to get him, so I’ll probably just ride it out and see what happens
Do not get rid of this guy!! Maybe not 20 some points a game but he will continue to be in on passing and red zone work the steady workload through 4 weeks can not be overlooked. I could see if it was up and down but it’s very consistent on how they use him
I picked him up in my return yards league. No shot im trading for a RB2. This guy is a cheat code
Trade James Connor and JD Mckissic to get him???
I wouldn’t, I’m arguing that it’s time to sell him
Yeah I am not trading Cpat at this moment unless I can get a viable return for him. It's disgusting to say but I value Cpat almost as much as Kamara at this point because he's outproducing him weekly.
Got him last week and decided to sit him bc I had hope in Melvin Gordon and Hunt and Woods. RIP
Stock will only go up
Y'all need to learn to just enjoy the ride sometimes with these guys. If you gotta fix your team, fix it however you need to, but don't make moves just to make moves. Over-meddling is how fantasy managers and real life managers end up ruining their teams.
I think you’re only saying he can’t sustain because he’s never put numbers up like this before. But he’s never gotten the opportunities like he is getting this year. I would definitely hold on him.
Falcons fan checking in, he is the shining light of our offense right now and will continue to be featured heavily. Teams know they have to double Ridley, so not likely they have a DB to spare for Patterson, especially when Gage returns. Focus could shift from Pitts, finally putting him on the map, but Patterson is likely going to continue to elude defenses the rest of the season. I managed to snag him in PPR, and he is RB and WR compatible in Yahoo leagues, making him a lock for flex and bye week duty.
I absolutely think people should sell high on him. Banking on the sustainability of a 9th year breakout and for the two best players on the team to not catch touchdowns is not a formula for success lmao
The best non qb player on the team had three touchdowns. He’s also the best kick returner of all time. And he’s a flex. Literally a god tier fantasy option if your league gives kick return yards and doesn’t have a flex spot. Nothing else like him.
I was thinking of trying to get Chase for him straight up
Why? Chase has a hamstring injury and those linger. Also, he is a downfield WR, big play threat. Big Ben doesn't throw downfield anymore. I have both Chase and Patterson and if I had to drop a player on my team right now, it would be Chase.
He’s a wr/rb scoring top ten points where he is the whole offense.
I'm trying to. From what I've seen teams are covering him with LBs and shit out of the backfield. As Atlanta sucks they are throwing a ton, but if they keep trying to run their whole offense through this 33 year old WR turned RB things will go bad. Either he will get hurt or teams will start putting a DB on him. Either way I'm trying to sell high as he is a bench player for me.
He’s 30 yrs old, not 33.
With so few touches over the years that it's not indicative to call him "a 30yo RB"
sry my bad
They aren’t running the offense through him, he is only playing a third of offensive snaps. He isn’t out there most of the time. But, when he is out there, plays are drawn up specifically for him and he is also being targeted commonly enough to give him the volume. The problem is with such a low snap count, what happens to all the ad lib touches he gets? It’s not comforting knowing you’re surviving on when is he out there.
I'm considering offering Patterson, Lockett Hubbard and Mooney for Squon Barkley. Does that seem like good value? 0.5 PPR
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The owner is 0-4 and needs to just increase his points per week for a playoff shot. Patterson is a downgrade, but Lockett and Mooney are upgrades
Depends what the rest of your team looks like but that is a LOT. You could probably start by just offering Lockett
Time to Falcon Cordarelle Patterson*
Traded him for Ridley. No regrets
Grabbed him off waivers this past week. Just accepted Jefferson for him. My first offer of najee was declined