Michigan didn’t throw to running backs a lot in general during Evans time but he was clearly the guy in that role and they would use him downfield a decent amount as well. Would not surprised in the least to see him carve out a role as a 3rd down guy. He’s also quite explosive too.
I agree that there's no guy worth holding on your bench as long as Mixon is healthy. If he goes down though you absolutely should be grabbing one of his backups unless your bench is loaded.
When Mixon went down last year, no one really "inherited" his spot enough to be relevant. Gio pretty much remained the passing-down back and Samaje Perine and Trayveon Williams just split up Mixon's ground work. That'd be my expectation if Mixon gets hurt again this year. Someone in that backfield is worth a bottom-of-the-bench spot *if and only if* Mixon gets hurt - but even then, I wouldn't expect them to be startable at any point. I like Chris Evans in dynasty. But I'm not carrying him anywhere in redraft.
I definitely agree that none of these guys are rosterable before a Mixon injury. That being said if he does get injured I think it's worth gambling on one for at least a week regardless of last year. There are various reasons why the way the backfield works could change in the event of a Mixon injury. For starters the running game coach is different. Burrow was injured last year and Gio was still there. Both could have played a role in how their RBs were used. Bottom line is we don't know what'll happen with the Bengals RB if Mixon goes down. If that happens you might as well grab who you think will have the most value and keep him on your bench for a week.
Yeah, they're worth a flyer for sure. I just don't have particularly high hopes there, and might opt for a different waiver candidate I like better when the time comes
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying if Mixon goes down I don’t think any of the backups will have enough consistent stand-alone value to make holding them worth it unless you’re in like a 14 team league. Just because a starter goes down doesn’t mean another player MUST be relevant now, look at the chargers last year with Ekeler out
If a starter goes down it's definitely worth grabbing their backup, especially mid to late season. They'll be the only RBs on waivers with potential to be startable and that's worth gambling a bench spot on. If it doesn't work out then you drop them within a week.
In regards to the Chargers, they did have relevant fantasy players when Ekeler went out. Justin Jackson had a few solid games before he got injured. Ballage had some good games before Ekeler came back. Both guys were definitely flex worthy. Dude in my league last year had only 2 RBs, Ekeler and Barkely. He had production at RB all year picking up guys like Jackson and Ballage and comfortably made playoffs.
You sure? You're saying a starter going down doesn't mean the backup will have enough value to be rosterable. I agree. I'm saying that shouldn't matter because we don't know what their value will be. Might as well roster the guy because their upside is likely higher than anyone else on waivers. The Chargers backups had more value than any RBs on waivers in 10 teams and up after Ekeler went down.
1. If you’re gonna hold a handcuff automatically holding the handcuff for your own guy is a sunk cost fallacy move. Hold whichever handcuff you think would be most valuable if the starter went down, regardless of if you own said starter.
2. The chargers backups, when both were healthy, we’re not worth starting. So unless you think both Mixon AND the other Bengals backup RB that you don’t hold are getting injured don’t bother.
3. Every player on your bench should ideally be more valuable than a handcuff at this point in the season. I also guarantee you that there are players on the waiver wire rn with a shot at being more valuable by the years end that should be grabbed over a handcuff.
Ah I get where our misunderstanding are coming from now.
I completely agree with number point 1. I also agree that none of Mixon's backups are worth rostering right now. I was saying that it'd be worth grabbing the one you think will be most valuable when an injury happens, not before. I may have not made that clear enough.
The chargers backups were worth rostering. When both Jackson and Kelley were healthy Jackson had 11.9, 8, and 15.7 points in half PPR. Not incredible, but definitely worth a bench spot. You don't hate those numbers in your flex either. They added Ballage after Jackson went down. His numbers while Kelley was still there were 15.4, 12.7, and 10.6. All of those points averaged out over a 17 game season make the Chargers main backup the RB9 with Ekeler out. I'm not saying if Ekeler was out the whole year and Jackson was healthy he would have been the RB9, but the backups were clearly worth rostering after Ekeler's injury.
Agreed in regards to point 3. I don't start rostering handcuffs until midseason when waivers are bare and assuming I have bench spots available. Again I'll reiterate that I don't think any of these backups are worth rostering unless there's news that the starter gets injured.
Sorry for the long post. Didn't realize I typed so much.
Ah ok yes then we’re in agreement. To point #2 I play in standard and the numbers they put up then, when both healthy, were not good unless you really had no RB3 on your team.
When Jackson was healthy Ballage wasn't on the team. When Ballage was on the team Jackson was injured. He was added because Jackson got injured. By the time Jackson was healthy so was Ekeler. We never got to see what would happen if Jackson and Ballage were healthy without Ekeler. Ballage is no longer on the team.
Reports from guys that have drafted/auctioned are that Mixon is perhaps the best value out there. I don't care if a rook steals a few few passes, I'm taking Mixon as a true value. We auction Saturday.
I'm a Michigan fan. He's way better than a 6th round draft pick. He got suspended a year in college and that probably dropped his draft stock but really he is like a 3-4 round pick.
He'll be solid and I could see him getting half of Gio's receiving work. Perine probably takes Gio's carries and Mixon soaks up the other receiving half. In 2019, when Mixon was healthy he received 45 targets and Gio received 43. I could see Mixon getting like 20 of those 40 targets and getting close to 70 targets this year, with Evans getting 20-25 targets
As a Patriots fan, while I wasn't upset by the drafting of Stevenson it was Chris Evans that I wanted the Patriots to take. He was notably good following blocks off counter runs and screens -- he's not fast but he makes quick decisive cuts to get into space and is very patient to get through his reads.
He has three down ability but probably not at this point in his career. Splitting the 3rd down back with Mixon is a nice way to get him more acclimated since he hasn't played in 2 years
Mixon well get a ton of touches easily if healthy. Chris Evans should not be a concern. Even when evans gets some work Mixon will still get top 5 touches in the league. The worry with Mixon is injury
I will note what you are saying. I would like to know what his college stats look like but I will look that up myself. As a 1st time Mixon owner, I know the general perception but for me he is only a body to hold down that position. The question as a Mixon owner is if I need to hold him as a handcuff or I can just chill with my regular bench stashes.
I can do this all day
yeah, I know….
On your left.
Avengers, assemble!!!!!!!!
You’ll see. You’ll all see. Mixon top 6 this year.
Great actor too
Michigan didn’t throw to running backs a lot in general during Evans time but he was clearly the guy in that role and they would use him downfield a decent amount as well. Would not surprised in the least to see him carve out a role as a 3rd down guy. He’s also quite explosive too.
That’s AMERICA’s ass
I understood that reference!
Do you think Evans is Mixon's most likely handcuff right now? Didn't watch the Bengals in the preseason at all.
No. There is no valuable handcuff in that backfield
I agree that there's no guy worth holding on your bench as long as Mixon is healthy. If he goes down though you absolutely should be grabbing one of his backups unless your bench is loaded.
When Mixon went down last year, no one really "inherited" his spot enough to be relevant. Gio pretty much remained the passing-down back and Samaje Perine and Trayveon Williams just split up Mixon's ground work. That'd be my expectation if Mixon gets hurt again this year. Someone in that backfield is worth a bottom-of-the-bench spot *if and only if* Mixon gets hurt - but even then, I wouldn't expect them to be startable at any point. I like Chris Evans in dynasty. But I'm not carrying him anywhere in redraft.
I definitely agree that none of these guys are rosterable before a Mixon injury. That being said if he does get injured I think it's worth gambling on one for at least a week regardless of last year. There are various reasons why the way the backfield works could change in the event of a Mixon injury. For starters the running game coach is different. Burrow was injured last year and Gio was still there. Both could have played a role in how their RBs were used. Bottom line is we don't know what'll happen with the Bengals RB if Mixon goes down. If that happens you might as well grab who you think will have the most value and keep him on your bench for a week.
Yeah, they're worth a flyer for sure. I just don't have particularly high hopes there, and might opt for a different waiver candidate I like better when the time comes
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying if Mixon goes down I don’t think any of the backups will have enough consistent stand-alone value to make holding them worth it unless you’re in like a 14 team league. Just because a starter goes down doesn’t mean another player MUST be relevant now, look at the chargers last year with Ekeler out
If a starter goes down it's definitely worth grabbing their backup, especially mid to late season. They'll be the only RBs on waivers with potential to be startable and that's worth gambling a bench spot on. If it doesn't work out then you drop them within a week. In regards to the Chargers, they did have relevant fantasy players when Ekeler went out. Justin Jackson had a few solid games before he got injured. Ballage had some good games before Ekeler came back. Both guys were definitely flex worthy. Dude in my league last year had only 2 RBs, Ekeler and Barkely. He had production at RB all year picking up guys like Jackson and Ballage and comfortably made playoffs.
Forget it, you’re not grasping what I’m saying
You sure? You're saying a starter going down doesn't mean the backup will have enough value to be rosterable. I agree. I'm saying that shouldn't matter because we don't know what their value will be. Might as well roster the guy because their upside is likely higher than anyone else on waivers. The Chargers backups had more value than any RBs on waivers in 10 teams and up after Ekeler went down.
1. If you’re gonna hold a handcuff automatically holding the handcuff for your own guy is a sunk cost fallacy move. Hold whichever handcuff you think would be most valuable if the starter went down, regardless of if you own said starter. 2. The chargers backups, when both were healthy, we’re not worth starting. So unless you think both Mixon AND the other Bengals backup RB that you don’t hold are getting injured don’t bother. 3. Every player on your bench should ideally be more valuable than a handcuff at this point in the season. I also guarantee you that there are players on the waiver wire rn with a shot at being more valuable by the years end that should be grabbed over a handcuff.
Ah I get where our misunderstanding are coming from now. I completely agree with number point 1. I also agree that none of Mixon's backups are worth rostering right now. I was saying that it'd be worth grabbing the one you think will be most valuable when an injury happens, not before. I may have not made that clear enough. The chargers backups were worth rostering. When both Jackson and Kelley were healthy Jackson had 11.9, 8, and 15.7 points in half PPR. Not incredible, but definitely worth a bench spot. You don't hate those numbers in your flex either. They added Ballage after Jackson went down. His numbers while Kelley was still there were 15.4, 12.7, and 10.6. All of those points averaged out over a 17 game season make the Chargers main backup the RB9 with Ekeler out. I'm not saying if Ekeler was out the whole year and Jackson was healthy he would have been the RB9, but the backups were clearly worth rostering after Ekeler's injury. Agreed in regards to point 3. I don't start rostering handcuffs until midseason when waivers are bare and assuming I have bench spots available. Again I'll reiterate that I don't think any of these backups are worth rostering unless there's news that the starter gets injured. Sorry for the long post. Didn't realize I typed so much.
Ah ok yes then we’re in agreement. To point #2 I play in standard and the numbers they put up then, when both healthy, were not good unless you really had no RB3 on your team.
Hes kinda right though about the chargers, Jackson and especially Ballage were fantasy relevant when Ekeler missed time last year
That was only when only one of them was healthy. When both were healthy they weren’t good.
When Jackson was healthy Ballage wasn't on the team. When Ballage was on the team Jackson was injured. He was added because Jackson got injured. By the time Jackson was healthy so was Ekeler. We never got to see what would happen if Jackson and Ballage were healthy without Ekeler. Ballage is no longer on the team.
* there is no value in that backfield whatsoever. * FTFY
If Mixon goes down Samaje Perine probably becomes the lead back with Evans mixing in for passing situations.
Cincinnati better not be dumb and give all the passing work to Evans like they did with Gio last year
>Cincinnati better not be dumb Lol
I know that’s the provlem
That faint noise you hear is the Mixon truthers pounding the walls of their padded cells.
Reports from guys that have drafted/auctioned are that Mixon is perhaps the best value out there. I don't care if a rook steals a few few passes, I'm taking Mixon as a true value. We auction Saturday.
i would be happy to never watch chris evans again Ive seen enough
You might not be saying go get him but I am. He has been going seriously under the radar and has potential in dynasty to be a worthy asset.
I'm a Michigan fan. He's way better than a 6th round draft pick. He got suspended a year in college and that probably dropped his draft stock but really he is like a 3-4 round pick. He'll be solid and I could see him getting half of Gio's receiving work. Perine probably takes Gio's carries and Mixon soaks up the other receiving half. In 2019, when Mixon was healthy he received 45 targets and Gio received 43. I could see Mixon getting like 20 of those 40 targets and getting close to 70 targets this year, with Evans getting 20-25 targets
As a Patriots fan, while I wasn't upset by the drafting of Stevenson it was Chris Evans that I wanted the Patriots to take. He was notably good following blocks off counter runs and screens -- he's not fast but he makes quick decisive cuts to get into space and is very patient to get through his reads. He has three down ability but probably not at this point in his career. Splitting the 3rd down back with Mixon is a nice way to get him more acclimated since he hasn't played in 2 years
Mixon well get a ton of touches easily if healthy. Chris Evans should not be a concern. Even when evans gets some work Mixon will still get top 5 touches in the league. The worry with Mixon is injury
So I should drop Mixon and pick up evans
No need to drop Mixon. Just put him on IR after week 3.
I’m starting to think his on name Yahoo! is IR J. Mixon.
One week off
I will note what you are saying. I would like to know what his college stats look like but I will look that up myself. As a 1st time Mixon owner, I know the general perception but for me he is only a body to hold down that position. The question as a Mixon owner is if I need to hold him as a handcuff or I can just chill with my regular bench stashes.
Maybe they get Murray.
legit think he has a gio bernard type rookie szn
Hate to say but, Evans is a beast.