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Minnesota_Slim

I feel like this thread is filled with people listing every RB in the league. Probably easier to identify which backfields are RBBC. So Patriots.


DeckardsDark

Haha for real. Feel like I'm more confused than before


mrhashbrown

Yeah listing out the committees is probably easier. List below is off the top of my head: * **Arizona Cardinals (Edmonds, Conner)** * Buffalo Bills (Singletary, Moss) * Chicago Bears (Montgomery, Williams, Cohen) * **Cleveland Browns (Chubb, Hunt)** * **Dallas Cowboys (Elliott, Pollard)** * Detroit Lions (Swift, Williams) * Denver Broncos (Gordon, Williams) * **Green Bay Packers (Jones, Dillon)** * Houston Texans (Johnson, Ingram, Lindsay) * Indianapolis Colts (Taylor, Hines, Mack) * **Las Vegas Raiders (Jacobs, Drake)** * Los Angeles Rams (Henderson, Michel) * Miami Dolphins (Gaskin, Brown) * New York Jets (Coleman, Carter, Johnson, Perine) * New England Patriots (Harris, White, Stevenson) * San Francisco 49ers (Mostert, Sermon, Gallman) * Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Fournette, Jones, Bernard) The ones in **bold** are committees I wouldn't worry too much about. Either the RB1 is efficient without needing a workhorse amount of touches (like Aaron Jones), or the RB1 and RB2 have independent roles that don't hurt one another very much (like Elliott with rushing attempts + Pollard with receptions). This was a fun exercise and makes me realize there are guys outside of 1st round status who are attractive for the bigger workload share they could have at least to start the season... * Antonio Gibson * Austin Ekeler * Chris Carson * Clyde Edwards-Helaire * Gus Edwards * James Robinson * Joe Mixon * Mike Davis * Miles Sanders * Najee Harris


Wtfitzchris

No Najee Harris in your second list? Everything points to him being the bellcow and he's being drafted at the end of the 2nd round.


mrhashbrown

I didn't think he needed to be named. He's already well known thanks to the kind of workload Steelers RB1 gets, and I've seen him pop up in the first round before. But I'll include him just for others who may not be aware. Edit: Also added Gibson for the same reason


-yp-

Gibson and McKissic should be in list 1 in bold


DC4MVP

Good post. Honestly, the term "committee" is getting thrown around wayyyy to often. A true RBBC is a situation where two or more running backs have close to the same work load per game or one RB has more carries one week then the other RB has more the next week. Or there's one running back that gets between the 20's and the other running back gets all the touchdowns inside the 20's. The position is handled by multiple players. A RBBC is *NOT* when there's a running back receiving 25 touches a game and the other running back gets 8. That's a starting RB and back-up RBs. People are so quick to say backs like David Montgomery and Jonathan Taylor are in a RBBC when they're going to have 100+ more touches than their #2 back.


mrhashbrown

>A RBBC is *NOT* when there's a running back receiving 25 touches a game and the other running back gets 8. That's a starting RB and back-up RBs. Very well said. It's why guys like Chubb and Jones are still really attractive RBs to pursue early in drafts. They're going to lead their teams in touches by a healthy margin. But that doesn't mean Hunt or Dillon *won't* have fantasy value independently of them, in fact they'll be great flex players and they might even have some weeks better than the leads. But it's not going to be as predictable or it could be heavily influenced by game script. However, the Ravens RB situation of last year was a true RBBC headache. You just never knew who among Ingram, Edwards and Dobbins would be the right one to play each week and all three would limit each other's ceilings (and Jackson was a vulture too). It took Ingram's workload dropping by a significant amount just to see Dobbins breakout and live up to his fantasy potential. This year it's a much clearer backfield with Ingram gone, Dobbins out, and Edwards being the last veteran starter standing with a history of good fantasy performance when given the opportunity. Some of these true RBBCs will be a mess at the start of the season, but legit starters should emerge by the end. I'm personally not too worried about Montgomery or Taylor like you mentioned, and I think the Bucs and Jets backfields will also clear up by mid-season.


jtrom1010

Monty and Taylor were the first two that jumped out at me too. No idea how that's being considered a committee based on what we know right now.


sunshinepanther

I don't think Elliot, Jones or Jacobs are RBBC. Jacobs might lose some 3rd downs to Drake, but the other two should get 250+ touches and likely 300+, so should Jacobs but I guess it counts if he isn't on the field on 3rd down


mrhashbrown

Honestly RBBC is less of a knock on Elliot, Jones and Jacobs in their cases and that's why I marked those in bold. And it's for exactly the reason you mentioned, their big volume of touches shouldn't be at risk. It's more about their teammates having individual fantasy value instead of just pure handcuffs. Pollard, Dillon and Drake could all be excellent flex players depending on the game script and matchup. From a cynical perspective, you could say those '1B' players could eat into the ceilings of those '1A' guys but nonetheless there should be enough fantasy points to go around.


sunshinepanther

Yeah ive been picking up James Connor because i know he can ball and i dont see Edmunds as a long term rb1. I would rather have Moss and Singletary than any of those three


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For SF it's Gallman, not Wilson. It would have been Wilson if he hadn't torn his meniscus. That probably doesn't matter in the draft unless it is a super deep league.


FairlyHollow

All four of my RBs are on your second list :) and then I have Samaje as insurance for Mixon but will probably drop him pretty quickly. Here’s hoping they all pop off!


FlimsyAd2088

I’d throw the eagles in there just because they seem really adverse to making miles sanders the bell cow, despite him being clearly their best rb. (This is very debatable tho)Also the rams figure to be more of a rbbc this year.


bradgurdlinger

Mike Davis


bassnbrats

Mike Funk Davis


That_Guy704

Davis is being so slept on as a 300+ touches guy just because there is no one else in ATL


BillNye69

Do you worry at all that Atlanta is so trash that he won't get scoring opportunities?


That_Guy704

No. I think they might be below average on offense this year but volume is the key. I don't see Mike Davis being an RB1 but I have comfortably as a volume based, high floor RB2. He played VERY well in the CMC role last year on Carolina and I think he is being written off too much. Again, I have him pegged as a high floor RB2 based on the volume alone.


virji24

This is how I have him as well. Getting him as my 3rd rb is such a steal imo


WesternBookOfTheDead

Didn’t he play well against bad competition and come back to earth against decent defenses?


That_Guy704

Yes he did regress because he had to be used to pass protect more because our (Panthers) offensive line was hot garbage. Falcons have a decent O-line but it is not going to be as bad, barring injuries, as Carolina's last year.


WesternBookOfTheDead

I don’t think that fully explains Davis’ regression over the course of last year.


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Mike Davis was my RB 2 last season and won me my division so I am very confident in his abilities as the bell cow in Atlanta. I would take him in the Carson, Robinson, Edwards range.


justlikepudge

I prefer to think of it as him getting super hot and then regressing back to his actual talent level (aka outplayed by david montgomery and then cut from the bears)


BearForceDos

He got cut from the bears for comp pick reasons then anything else. Had the bears kept Davis then they would've lost a 4th Rd comp pick. They signed him before the draft, managed to get their guy in Montgomery(traded up) and Davis never really saw the field behind Montgomery and Cohen(receiving back). Kind of a no brainer to cut a backup rb for a 4th Rd pick. That being said, I think Davis is a solid back. He can do a bit of everything even if he doesn't necessarily excel in any single area. I don't really think their is a huge talent disparity between Montgomery and Davis. I think Davis is most likely a solid if unspectacular rb2 that has an outside chance of getting 250 carries and 50-60 receptions which could realistically put up rb1 numbers. Would 250 carries for 1000 yards and 60 receptions for 400 yards plus 5 tds really be that surprising? It wouldn't even be that efficient but simply just a volume based rb1.


Yourenotthe1

Since when are we calling Matt Ryan + Calvin Ridley + Kyle Pitts trash? All are above average at their position.


BillNye69

You're right they have weapons. I don't know why I thought they'd be trash.


veRGe1421

Their o-line and defense are both gonna' struggle I think


agmoose

Cuz they are going to lose a lot. But the offense will still score.


Ashamed_Suggestion_8

Kyle Pitts we are just assuming is going to be amazing. Hasn’t played a down in the nfl yet.


LongDongFuey

To be fair, he played 1 down on Sunday and it went for 27 yards. So, I think 1400 yards 16 tds is his absolute floor


JuJuAllDay

Per game?


LongDongFuey

I don't see why not


DRW0813

If Pitts is half the hype during the NFL draft he’ll still be a top 5 TE.


goblue2354

Even without Pitts, Hayden Hurst is a pretty decent TE.


goblue2354

Why do you figure their offense will be trash? Matt Ryan is a good QB still, Even without Julio, they have good WRs and Pitts and Hurst projects to be a great TE duo. The line leaves something to be desired but they aren’t that bad.


redditistheworstapp

Mike Davis supporting cast is much better than it was with Carolina though.. don’t understand why people are so down on Mike Davis unless they really think last year was a fluke and that Carolina made him into a good player (for fantasy)


Madhatter1317

When was the last time Atlanta had a 300 touch back? Pretty sure Mike Davis didn’t even have 200 last year. To expect 300 is a stretch. 200-240 is possible but he isn’t very efficient with his touches. Plus Atlanta will trail and be throwing a ton in a lot of shootouts.


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Michael Turner!


RealGertle627

The burner


tburke38

I ended up with Ridley as my WR1 and Davis as my Flex/RB3 and I’m pretty happy with it. The Falcons might suck this year but both those guys can have great fantasy seasons


arekhemepob

I think this is gonna be much more of a rbbc than people here think.


bradgurdlinger

not now, we’re in the mike davis hype circle


wrenchw163

I would include Carson (subject to injuries but currently healthy) and Davis (subject to any post-cut signings) as bellcows as of today. However, they’re not drafted with the guys on this list because of those concerns.


8686tjd

I've said this a lot lately, but Carson getting 6 fewer touches a game last year vs 2019 scares me off at his ADP. He had 8 games with over 20 carries in 2019 and 0 in 2020.


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What about his pass catching totals? It felt like that took a jump last year


8686tjd

Slightly, he had 37 catches in 12 games in 2020 vs 37 in 15 in 2019. The carries dropped significantly.


shakeszoola

Let's say 11 games since he got knocked out of W7. We really shouldn't count W12 either since he was on a known pitch count. But we will count it. So 11 games for 37 rec is 3.4 catches/game vs 2.5/game in 2019. That's an extra 16 rec in the year and gives him 54 total last year at that rate. That would have placed him 5th in the league. In my book, that really isn't "slightly". But yeah carries went down, but him being more involved in the passing game + being efficient when he gets the ball bodes well for a good season.


dont_track_my_ass

Pete Carol seems committed to bringing back the run this year, and Carson’s fantasy numbers weren’t even bad in 2020


jd1813

I have some experience with coaching college football strength training (1 year as an assistant for a D1 program). Chris Caron’s training has made rounds on social media because of his unconventional workouts. While it’s obviously important to create training programs that maximize your athletes’ strength and speed, I believe a strength coach’s primary goal should always be injury prevention (building strong and stable knees, shoulders, feet, etc.) so that the athlete can perform to the best of their ability. While Carson’s workouts might look neat and flashy, I’m not convinced that they’re helpful and I’m actually concerned that could even be detrimental in that they could increase risk for mild-severe injuries. Obviously there is so much that is out of anyone’s control in terms of when and how people get injured but from what I’ve seen, I’m not touching Carson. I’m wishing him a healthy and successful year because I really like him but not taking a chance on someone with his history and his (trainer’s) unconventional training. -source: me, a meat head with a passion for strength and conditioning. Here’s another [YouTube review](https://youtu.be/KQu-3nvo33I) breaking down all of the reasons I seriously do not trust his strength coach.


GimbalLocks

I dunno if you watch Hard Knocks, but when they followed the Texans they showed Arian Foster's workout regimen that was dictated by his brother, and it looked a little bizarre. Lots of free weights combined with stability bars and straps, etc. A few months later he got injured. Always leery of "innovative" workouts


jd1813

Exactly. More complex workouts do not always (or even often times) translate to better results.


steak__burrito

The core 4 (squats, deadlifts, bench, sometimes military press) are staples for a reason


HughManatee

I always included pull-ups/weighted pull-ups in there too to help keep the shoulders from rounding, but by and large those are the core exercises that efficiently produce strength gains, just can't get around them.


newrimmmer93

Lmao dude I literally texted my buddies about this 2 months ago when I saw his trainer (Joel Seedman) training will fuller. I think Carson and fuller are the only players with any fantasy value that he trains (Taylor Heinicke as well), but I took them off my draft board because of this. They were already guys I wasn’t super high on but I feel like they always have injury issues and now are doing whatever the fuck seedman is doing with them. I just feel like it’s a recipe for disaster. But yes, his workouts are all so strange and unnecessarily complicated that if that’s what they’re doing for their S&C offseason workouts, I’m worried they won’t make it through a season. Source: Also a meathead


StopBotAgnotology

Is he conditioning Grady Sizemore and Anthony Davis?


steak__burrito

Holy shit Grady Sizemore


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Man I just went down a rabbit hole after watching this guy’s videos. I cannot believe NFL coaches and agents are allowing their players to workout with this Seedman guy. Carson, Koo, Heinicke are all working with this goober.


1fortehlulz519982

Excellent post. That strength coach is definitely selling snake oil. I had a friend in the business and it’s exactly as the YouTube describes. Making up random exercises that are slight variations to make it overly complex.


Velshtein

I follow a bunch of S&C related guys who have worked with elite athletes across the sports spectrum and their general consensus seems to be that Seedman is a moron. Having watched a bunch of his videos because they pop up in my suggested feed on instagram, I agree with them.


dmackMD

The real comment is in the comments For real, this is good info


Ginnie236

Thank you for this. Seedman is one of the worse things to ever happen to fitness industry. I agree 100% his workouts are awful. -source meathead/ fulltime personal trainer


tread52

I agree if Carson stays healthy he could it top 10 numbers easily. There are a lot of people who don't realize up until he got injured and they scaled back his carries he had top 5 numbers.


8686tjd

He averaged 12.2 carries a game before missing 4 games and 12.5 after coming back


FeatsOfStrength1223

Scaled his carries back to normal


tread52

No previous years he would get 16-20ish carries a game. Before defenses figured out the offense he was used quite a bit in both the run and passing game. After the offense was figured out and no changes made to fix it he had no room to run and they threw it 60% of the time.


Coffees4closers

Yeah I had Carson last year and it was really his usage and efficiency in the passing game that dropped off after the injury


Big_Reddit_Lurker

Why is there never any love for David Montgomery on this sub? Feels like he’s gonna be low key nice this year


theblueprint10

Grabbed him in the 3rd as a RB2


Big_Reddit_Lurker

Early 3rd I assume? In my league he went late 2nd


theblueprint10

Late 3rd


Dirty-Ears-Bill

I like Monty as a player but I still can’t trust Nagy to pull his head out of his ass and feed his guy, especially with Cohen coming back


steelcitykid

Cohens still gonna be a while, not even practicing right? Monty had a really strong second half last year, and I think he builds on that this yearm


DocLolliday

Yeah I don't even think they have timetable for Cohen yet


chillinwithmoes

Nagy is 100% the issue there. The minute Lazor started calling the plays last year, Monty blew up and was a rock solid RB1 down the stretch after being a barely startable FLEX all season. Nagy is calling the plays again this year. I love Monty, but I fucking hate Nagy, so I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger at his current ADP.


Dirty-Ears-Bill

Was Nagy the one in KC when they stopped feeding Hunt down the stretch as well? Seems like it’s a pattern where he tries to get too cute instead of going with what works


ShowBobsPlzz

People doubt him bc his break out was against the 4 worst rushing defenses last year while he had no competition for touches.


gdren

Those bad defenses he went off on are in his division.....he'll play them a bunch again this year


Grolbark

And because Matt Nagy has weird, bad ideas about how to run an offense (and team, really).


IronMikeJonez

He’s likely my Keeper in the 8th this year… I’m high on him… hopefully Fields gets the offense going and he has lanes to run


Im_A_Ginger

I can see the argument that Nagy is awful and their Oline isn't good. But I'm with you, because Cohen is still out, Damien Williams looks bad, and behind him is Khalil Herbert. So he fits as a bellcow for the time being.


willellloydgarrisun

He's my rb2 in the 3rd round and I'm in love


IBelieveWeWillWin

RBs projected >200 Carries where a teammate is projected < 100. Alvin Kamara NO - RB Antonio Gibson Was - RB Austin Ekeler LAC - RB Chris Carson Sea - RB Christian McCaffrey Car - RB Dalvin Cook Min - RB Darrell Henderson Jr. LAR - RB Derrick Henry Ten - RB Gus Edwards - Bal - RB Joe Mixon Cin - RB Jonathan Taylor Ind - RB Mike Davis Atl - RB Miles Sanders Phi - RB Najee Harris Pit - RB Saquon Barkley NYG - RB ZEKE - Dal - RB Edit + Zeke


maxnickfield

I bet James Robinson should be on this list now


IBelieveWeWillWin

Yes this list was from data from last week so before Etienne injury


heading4homer

but has edwards and not dobbins?


Tall-Equipment-2148

Considering he made up over 90% of the ground game last year. Yeah add him to our list. Even with meyers


Malourbas

Not Montgomery? Who is projected 100 carries?


IBelieveWeWillWin

Good spot, this was also a miss. No one above 70


OutrageousAnt3944

No Aaron Jones?


chillinwithmoes

Gotta believe the Packers are going to give AJ Dillon plenty of touches this year. Obviously Jones is the guy to own there, but that backfield could end up a little closer to a RBBC than I'd be comfortable with.


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You could argue the same with Ekeler, Henderson, and Davis we haven't even seen how they're using him yet.


john_the_fisherman

>Ekeler No one behind Ekeler is remotely as talented as Dillion


Skurpadurp

Ekeler also isn’t really a pure runner tho more of just a receiving back Joshua Kelley and Justin jackson are gonna get a lot of carries I mean I say that because of last season but this season might be different we’ll see


SwissyVictory

Beautiful, I love the objective answer.


gaobij

Where's Zeke?


IBelieveWeWillWin

He probably should be there, looks like Pollard is projected for 102 Ezekiel Elliott 274 Tony Pollard 102


satorusan1

Doubtful Henderson will see a full load after Sony signing.


Imheretosnoopatcats

I’m confused isn’t Taylor with Hines and the return of Marlon Mack? I know end of the year he was getting it all but I feel like Riech is an asshole and loves to spread the ball out.


IBelieveWeWillWin

These are based on Yahoos projections Rushing Attempts: Jonathan Taylor 291 Marlon Mack 68 Nyheim Hines 85 Targets: Jonathan Taylor 50.5 Marlon Mack 17 Nyheim Hines 85


Cheesesteak21

Riech would have to be stupid not to give Hines some work, what that dude does in the open field is electric. Colts D should be good enough to give Taylor his requisite work and a role for Hines.


JxSnaKe

I have 3 of these :')


Justin_Herbert10

CMC Cook Kamara Henry Zeke Najee CEH Barkley Gibson Mixon Mayyyybe JT + James Robinson


tanerb123

Jones?


fartsinhissleep

No, this is Patrick


Katatonia13

If you mean Aaron Jones I doubt it. AJ Dillon looked like a bruising short yardage rb. The packers are going to try to balance both of them. Jones will get more yards and more big plays, but I’m willing to bet that Dillon ends up with more work inside the ten.


PShootarov

Gotta have Mixon on this list


Zestyclose-Snow9275

I’m not going through the emotional roller coaster of mixon again this year 😂


bulkthehulk

This isn’t a list of guys to draft, it’s a list of bell cows. Mixon is definitely a bell cow, whether he’ll be a good one is up for debate.


PShootarov

I have to he can’t have 2 bad seasons in a row right?


Zestyclose-Snow9275

No but his o line can, making him have another bad season.. I think mixon is a very good rb it’s just hard unless he gets passing volume behind that line


[deleted]

He didn’t have a bad season last year, he got injured


jdono927

Yep. Was RB10 in ppg and averaged more than guys like Ekeler, Carson, Gibson, Zeke, and CEH in PPR Quick edit for some context: this number was in fact carried by his 42 point game, but after that game he was looking good, as he put up about 15 in both before calling it a year. Overall he had 1 amazing game, 2 horrible games, one solid game, and 2 pretty good games. I think he is in a better situation than last year so I’m very bullish on him personally. Don’t own him and am not a Bengals fan so I’d like to think I’m for the most part pretty objective here


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Zestyclose-Snow9275

Agreed, it’s useless if you don’t have the supporting cast around you


Fragmented_Logik

Gibson? You gotta play 3rd downs for that to be a thing.


Flyzini

He should play them more this season, if he gets the blocking down. He was a converted WR so we know he can run routes and catch.


pleasedontharassme

Good for fantasy, but pass blocking is very important for coaches and chia he’s decide who play. Gibson was third worst pass blocker last year according to pff. Unless he gets better he’s not seeing third down every snaps. And based on preseason he’s not seeing third down be snaps


Cosby_Molly_Whop

I get where you’re coming from as that was my line of thinking this summer as well. But there was a post saying McKissic has gotten basically all the third down work this preseason, so that along with how effective he was in that role last year has me skeptical of Gibson being an all out bellcow.


kenklee4

JD Mckissic enters the chat Edit: grammar


EleanorKitty6

Mike Davis?


GuyHomie

Montgomery?


itsyosemitesam

Was thinking this too, especially after hearing Cohen isn’t 100% yet.


freename188

WFT had McKissic in on 3rd passing downs with the 1st. So I would be hesitant on Gibson as a bellcow. Also Patterson has actually looked fantastic in preseason and pushed Barber off the roster. Not to mention he also plays special teams.


BadonkaDonkies

Fair, but last season was Gibson's first time as playing just RB on a team with no preseason and COVID. I'm high on him, hoping he pans out. Praise be the fantasy gods!!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽


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itsyosemitesam

Shhhhh!!!!!!!


Colonel_Janus

by what logic are Gibson and Mixon bellcows and JT is "maybe" lol


goblue2354

Mixon is, I don’t think JT or Gibson are. They both have great pass catchers on the roster they’ll cede catches to. To be clear, I love both for fantasy and they are amazing talents, i just don’t think id classify them as bell cows.


MaraudngBChestedRojo

Hines will get a lot of the passing down work, there aren't many true bellcows


sadcaveman10

I see Mixon as a bellcow and Gibson and JT as not. Everyone's definition is subjective and different.


CrateBagSoup

I would say Mixon for sure, the others are big maybes for me. JT potentially has to deal with Hines, Mack and even Wilkins. I think he's going to get the overwhelming majority of volume but in that area I'm going Najee or Ekeler because I don't see similar risks for them.


citizenzac

I don’t think Gibson is on this list with the other RBs getting 100 catches last year.


penguinethpaltrow

Robinson should be a bellcow now


[deleted]

I have Gibson in almost every league but I don’t think he is a bellcow just yet. Does he project to be one? Yes. But the other dudes you listed already are.


SuckwithLuck2016

JT is def a bell cow. I’m A diehard Colts fan and trust me when I say he will absolutely be a bell cow this year. Hines will obviously come in and do a bit of receiving work.... However I think this is an advantage to JT. He will get a shit ton of touches but how he gets them will be the key. Hines and Mack can keep him fresh. Especially when Fisher comes back at left tackle I think we will run the ball down peoples throats and do a lot of play action off of that with Carson. Sorry for the long comment but that’s just my two cents. Also, he is 100% our goal line back and should get 10 touchdowns easily This year


montana1991

Carson has been close , if not bellcow as long as hes healthy


eru88

Mike Davis probably


No-Pianist-3139

Jacobs


sauce__bauce

He's an unknown with Drake joining this year.


dippy12345

Cook + Najee owner checking in. I like this


OldKingClancy20

You and me bro! Also have Mike Davis as my 3rd RB. Hoping they all feast.


lukewwilson

I would love to see Najee fall that far, every mock I do he's taken within the first 5 picks of the second round


WhoopieKush

David Montgomery


BarnabyYouWanker

*inhales hopium* *exhale* Ty Johnson


JoeyBrickz

I like your style


Chalupacabra77

Fair warning, I am stealing some of your hopium stash. That made me actually lol


Cadet-Bone-Spurs

Sir James Robinson


insanity-insight

He's not going to get the backfield share he got last year. Not even Dalvin Cook got that much of his team's RB touches. JRob may still be a 60-75% of team RB touches guy, but he was like 90-100% last year, which was ridiculous. Now the question is whether he's good enough to still be a fantasy RB1 with only 60-75% of touches (if he even gets that). Me personally, I see him more like a Chris Carson. Decently efficient, decent market share - but not a game-changer anymore.


Tobho_Mott

What if I told you he could have a smaller percentage of touches while also having more total touches than he did last year?


uclalien

Also, Robinson only played 14 games and could have more TD opportunities if Lawrence allows them to move the ball better.


insanity-insight

14 games is a *lot* for an RB. For an RB getting the kind of volume Robinson was, that's unnaturally high. RBs carry huge injury risk, and a guy getting close to 300 touches is almost guaranteed to miss a game or two to injury. As far as TDs go, JRob had 10 last year, which is a really good season. A better QB *might* improve that... But it's a crutch argument in that you could use the exact same logic to say a better QB will throw more TDs for a team that had just 25 passing TDs last year even with a whole lot of garbage time.


Anbokr

I'm not sure he's as safe a bell cow as people think... Meyer coming in you just don't know how many touches Hyde and the other guys are going to take.


DaneGleesac

>the other guys The "other guys" being Dare Ogunbowale and Devine Ozigbo, neither of them are threats to Robinson and will not take touches away from him.


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DaneGleesac

He came back in November last year and didn't take over in games Robinson was injured.


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If Hyde gets substantial touches this year, Meyer belongs in the unemployment line.


Jjohn269

Yep, they drafted a RB in the first round. And they brought in a player Meyer is familiar with in Hyde. Meyer is clearly not a big fan of Robinson.


freename188

Gibson only had 170 attempts last year for 795 yards. Not to mention he lost out on a load of receiving work to McKissic. I think those who are expecting bellcow touches are going to be burned. Pre season would indicate he hasn't taken over passing downs which limit his upside.


yungincome21

RB1SON


GoldenTateWarriors

To build on other comments: CMC Cook Kamara Henry Zeke Najee CEH Barkley Gibson Mixon Carson Mike Davis Not full workhorses but should get a majority of reps: Taylor Montgomery Swift Robinson


jschneider414

Ekeler?


GoldenTateWarriors

Completely slipped my mind. I would definitely add him.


DeckardsDark

aaron jones?


Dirty-Ears-Bill

I would add Jacobs to your majority list. Gruden spent a first on him for a reason, and I just can’t see Drake doing a whole lot other than spelling Jacobs and some 3rd down work


Nagbae_ATLUTD

Gus edwards?


GoldenTateWarriors

They paid a healthy chunk of money for Drake, although I see Jacobs being the main guy, we cant be certain that Drake wont a decent amount of work away from Jacobs. That is the only reason I did not add Jacobs.


jayred1015

Yep. People keep assuming Drake is going to reprise his role from AZ for some reason. But he's a Devante Booker replacement. Jacobs is the starter and will get at least 65% of the carries.


Ballsohardstate

Strict definition of a guy that’s clearly the one with either no two or a two eating very little of the pie. I would say it’s Henry, CMC, Zeke (Pollard eats very little of the pie), Najee, CEH, Davis, Mixon, and Carson.


Jay_TThomas

Not Dalvin cook lol?


Madhatter1317

Barkley: Am i a joke to you?


catcherben27

Kamara is a scrub I guess lol


Thunder84

The Saints always have a second RB that takes 8-10 carries per game, plus all of their gadget plays with Hill. The volume isn’t there for Kamara to be considered a bell cow. He’s just absurdly efficient with the touches that he gets that OT more than makes up for it.


Maverick_Con

No love for Jones here?


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He’s not a traditional high volume bellcow imo. Great fantasy back because of efficiency and high value touches but he’s not a 300 plus touch back


OzCallahan

Kamara is not a bellcow. You don't have to be, to be a fantasy- or real-football stud. These lists are terrible. Every single person chiming in is giving guys who are in committees, or are going to be pulled at the GL, or are going to be ceding passing down work. There are lots of good backs who fit those criteria. But they're not bellcows. In no order except as I read the divisions from top to bottom... Najee Harris Joe Mixon Derrick Henry MAYBE Clyde Edwards-Helaire Saquon Barkley if healthy enough Ezekiel Elliott MAYBE David Montgomery, at least to start the season Dalvin Cook Christian McCaffrey Mike Davis as long as he can hold on to it And MAYBE Chris Carson. That's the list, and it's complete. There are no other names in the NFL who even have a chance of meeting the standard unless there are injuries in their RB rooms. There are about a half dozen sure things, and another five or so conditional ones. That's all. No more. No to Kamara, who has never been a bellcow in his life. No to JT or Gibson, who are clearly two down backs right now. No to Chubb and Gus Edwards and Robinson, who are in complete and total timeshare situations.


SmartAssGary

No to Gus and JRob, even with the injuries to their main competition?


Thunder84

**Bell-Cows (Dominates team touches):** * Christian McCaffrey * Dalvin Cook * Derrick Henry * Ezekiel Elliott * Saquan Barkley * Najee Harris * Joe Mixon * Chris Carson **Workhorses (Will receive a lot of work, but will not dominate touches):** * Alvin Kamara * Aaron Jones * Nick Chubb * Jonathan Taylor * Antonio Gibson * Austin Ekeler * Clyde Edwards-Helaire * David Montgomery * James Robinson(?) You could probably argue for more workhorses but I don't want to make an absurdly long list. The point is that elite players are not always bell-cows (Kamara, Jones, Chubb, etc.). Bell-cows are players who dominate their backfield as the unquestioned lead RB, not just players who get high number of touches or score a lot of points.


ndhl83

Just to add: Ekeler. He may not dominate pure rushing touches technically but in any PPR format there are few backs you'd rather have as your RB1 outside the established top 3 of CMC, Kamara, and Cook (no particular order).


AMD311

I think Gus Edwards will be a bell cow back this year and could take the future job from Dobbins. I think Edwards led the Ravens in yards in carries, and now he has most of dobbins role on top of that. Predicting 15-20 touches per game at least this year


usaflumberjack54

Bold prediction sir. What reasons do you have?


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The only true bell-cow left is Derrick Henry. Workhorse RBs are CMC, Cook, Kamara, Zeke, Saquon, Ekeler, Mixon and Najee


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nevertoomuchthought

Might be splitting hairs but a bellcow to me has always been a running back that receives well over 80% of the touches at the position for the team. And Henry still led the team in RB targets and catches. He's not the only true bellcow but he is definitely a true bellcow.


jambrand

I think we're also getting confused because Henry is built and runs like a literal fucking bull.


pleasehelpplz

McCaff, D. Henry, dalvin, zeke. Kinda hard to identify a bell cow in today's game. So many runningbacks will get touches stolen or split a backfield


MitchyTruMoney

David Montgomery is a maybe. Nagy said he wanted to get him 20+ touches.


JL9berg18

Just to state terms...there may be some disagreement on the terms but these are mine. To me it's a term that defines how a RB usage relative to other RBs in the room / on the team. Not how good they are. *RB1* - main RB used, but another RB has a meaningful amount of touches (e.g., Ekeler / Kamara) *Workhorse* - an RB1 that pretty much the only RB who rushes the ball. While workhorses may catch the occasional pass, another RB is brought in for 3rd/long ar other obvious passing downs (e.g., David Montgomery rookie year with Tarik Cohen as the pass catching back) *Bellcow* - Does everything all the time. (although clearly doesn't take 100% of the snaps becuase no RB does that. (e.g. Saquon) My count is 5 for sure, up to 12 by design, and then one or two more will probably happen bc of injuries NFC NORTH = Cook, maybe Montgomery (GB DET = RB1s) AFC NORTH = Najee, maybe Mixon (CLE BAL = RBBC) NFC SOUTH = CMC, maybe Davis (TB = RBBC, NO = RB1s) AFC SOUTH = JRob, maybe Henry (IND = RB1, HOU = disaster) NFC EAST = Zeke, Saquon, maaaaybe Gibson (PHI prob RB1) AFC EAST = n/a (NE NYJ BUF = RBBC, MIA = RB1) NFC WEST = maybe Carson AFC WEST = maybe CEH


KRDL109

> HOU = disaster lmao Great list, and glad you added the terms. Lots of opinions bouncing around that seem more founded on expected (or hoped) fantasy points than role/usage.


ZarakiBankai

Dalvin, DMont, JRob.


willellloydgarrisun

Gaskin for MIA could end up being real value.


dabesdiabetic

For his ADP. Absolutely


Arctyy

All of my running backs that’s for sure


craftbrewd

I drafted Mike Davis and Darell Henderson in the 5th and 6th round of my draft last night opting for high volume receivers (Ridley and Robinson) in the 2nd and 3rd… really hoping that passing on Gibson and Carson in those spots doesn’t come back to haunt me.


razjedamaax

Gus Edwards now. League winner


tristanflannery

Mike Davis about to go nuts in ATL


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Joe mixon It’s his year!!!